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The party of evil

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  10 months ago  •  29 comments

The party of evil
“It is one thing to find and arrest illegal immigrants; it is indecent to mock and ridicule them, and send them with no due process to a foreign gulag where torture is routine. It is one thing to enforce immigration laws; it is another to use masked, anonymous men to do it. It is one thing to cut foreign aid; it is simply indecent to do so abruptly and irrationally so that tens of thousands of children will needlessly die. We have slowly adjusted to this entirely new culture from the top,...

This might be the best article about Trump's depravity that I've ever seen. 

The seeded version is a copy of it from a blog.  The original site of Jeffery Goldberg's piece is the Atlantic, linked here. 

MAGA’s foundational lie


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


At 1:42 a.m. on December 19, 2020, Donald Trump—disturbed, humiliated, livid—posted the following message on Twitter: “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”

In California, David Nicholas Dempsey, a 33-year-old man-child with multiple felony convictions and a profound affection for the president, answered the call. On January 6, wearing a tactical vest and an American-flag gaiter, Dempsey came to the Capitol. Shortly before he assaulted several police officers, he shared his perspectives in an interview given while standing near a gallows. The gallows had been erected as a reminder to Vice President Mike Pence to do, in Trump’s words, “the right thing.”

“Them worthless fucking shitholes like fucking Jerry Nadler, fucking Pelosi, Clapper, Comey, fucking all those pieces of garbage, you know, Obama, all these dudes, Clinton, fuck all these pieces of shit,” Dempsey said. “They don’t need a jail cell. They need to hang from these motherfuckers while everybody videotapes it and fucking spreads it on YouTube.”

Dempsey was not an organizer of the siege, but he was   one of its most energetic participants . He assaulted Metropolitan Police Detective Phuson Nguyen with pepper spray. Nguyen was certain in that moment that he was “ going to die ,” he later testified. Dempsey assaulted another police officer with a metal crutch, cracking his protective shield and cutting his head. Dempsey, who was heard yelling “Fuck you, bitch-ass cops!,” assaulted other officers with broken pieces of furniture, crutches, and a flagpole. Prosecutors would later argue that “Dempsey’s violence reached such extremes that, at one point, he attacked a fellow rioter who was trying to disarm him.” All told, more than 140 police officers were injured in the riot, many seriously.

I   attended the January 6 rally on the Ellipse , at which Trump told his supporters, “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” Then I walked with the crowd to the Capitol. One woman, a QAnon adherent dressed in a cat costume, told me, “We’re going to stop the steal. If Pence isn’t going to stop it, we have to.”

What I remember very well about that day was my own failure of imagination. I did not, to my knowledge, see Dempsey—he had positioned himself at the vanguard of the assault, and I had stayed near the White House to listen to Trump—but I did come across at least a dozen or more protesters dressed in similar tactical gear or wearing body armor, many of them carrying flex-cuffs. I particularly remember those plastic cuffs, but I understood them only as a performance of zealous commitment. Later we would learn that these men—some of whom were Proud Boys—believed that they would actually be arresting members of Congress in defense of the Constitution. I interviewed one of them. “It’s all in the Bible,” he said. “Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible.” Grifters could not exist, of course, without a population primed to be grifted.

After the riot, Dempsey returned to California, where he was eventually arrested. In early 2024, he pleaded guilty to two felony counts of assaulting an officer with a dangerous weapon. He was   sentenced to 20 years in prison .

Six months later, in the summer of 2024, Trump, who would come to describe the January 6 insurrection as a “day of love,” said that, if reelected, he would pardon rioters, but only “if they’re innocent.” Dempsey was not innocent, but on January 20, 2025, shortly after being inaugurated, Trump pardoned him and roughly 1,500 others charged with or convicted of offenses related to the Capitol insurrection. (Fourteen people, mainly senior figures in the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys movements, saw their sentences commuted but did not receive pardons.)

Of the 1,500 or so offenders who received pardons, roughly 600 had been charged with assaulting or obstructing police officers, and 170 had been accused of using deadly weapons in the siege. Among those pardoned were Peter Schwartz, who had received a 14-year sentence for throwing a chair at police officers and repeatedly attacking them with pepper spray; Daniel Joseph Rodriguez, who was sentenced to 12.5 years for conspiracy and assaulting an officer with a stun gun (he sent a text message to a friend, “Tazzzzed the fuck out of the blue”); and Andrew Taake, who received a six-year sentence for attacking officers with bear spray and a metal whip.

A day after the pardons were announced, Trump said in a press conference, “I am a friend of police, more than any president who’s been in office.” He went on to describe the rioters. “These were people that actually love our country, so we thought a pardon would be appropriate.”

Trump had something else to say during that first press conference of his new term: “I think we’re going to do things that people will be shocked at.” This would turn out to be true, but unfortunately, shock does not last. Here is the emblematic inner struggle of our age: to preserve the ability to be shocked. “Man grows used to everything, the scoundrel!” Dostoyevsky wrote. A blessing that is also a curse.

I understand that a review—even a short and partial review—of the past year might seem dismally repetitive. But repetition ensures that we remember, and perhaps even experience shock anew.

So, in brief: Trump has dismantled America’s foreign-aid infrastructure and gutted a program, built by an earlier Republican president, that saved the lives of Africans infected with HIV; he has encouraged the United States military to commit war crimes; he has instituted radical cuts to U.S. science and medical funding and abetted a crusade against vaccines; he has appointed conspiracists, alcoholics, and idiots to key positions in his administration; he has destroyed the independence of the Justice Department; he has waged pitiless war on prosecutors, FBI agents, and others who previously investigated him, his family, and his friends; he has cast near-fatal doubt on America’s willingness to fulfill its treaty obligations to its democratic allies; he has applauded Vladimir Putin for his barbarism and castigated Ukraine for its unwillingness to commit suicide; he has led racist attacks on various groups of immigrants; he has employed unusually cruel tactics in pursuit of undocumented immigrants, most of whom have committed only one crime—illegally seeking refuge in a country that they believed represented the dream of a better life. Those are some of the actions Trump has taken. Here are a few of the things he has said since returning to office: He has referred to immigrants as “garbage”; he has called a female reporter “piggy” and other reporters “ugly,” “stupid,” “terrible,” and “nasty”; he has suggested that the murder of a Saudi journalist by his country’s government was justified; he has labeled a sitting governor “seriously retarded”; he has blamed the murder of Rob Reiner on the director’s anti-Trump politics; he has called the Democrats the party of “evil.”

Yet, even when weighed against this stunning record of degeneracy, the pardoning by Trump of his cop-beating foot soldiers represents the lowest moment of this presidency so far, because it was an act not only of naked despotism but also of outlandish hypocrisy. By pardoning these criminals, he exposed a foundational lie of MAGA ideology: that it stands with the police and as a guarantor of law and order. The truth is the opposite.

The power to pardon is a vestige of America’s pre-independence past. It is an unchecked monarchical power, an awesome power, and therefore it should be bestowed only on leaders blessed with self-restraint, civic-mindedness, and, most important, basic decency.

We have been watching indecency triumph in the public sphere on and off for more than 10 years now, since the moment Trump insulted John McCain’s war record. For reasons that are quite possibly too unbearable to contemplate, a large group of American voters was not repulsed by such slander—they were actually aroused by it—and our politics have not been the same. Much has been said, including by me, about Trump’s narcissism, his autocratic inclinations, his disconnection from reality, but not nearly enough has been said about his fundamental indecency, the characteristic that undergirds everything he says and does.

In an important essay, Andrew Sullivan noted this past fall that   Trump’s indecency is comprehensive in style and substance . “It is one thing to be a realist in foreign policy, to accept the morally ambiguous in an immoral world; it is simply indecent to treat a country, Ukraine, invaded by another, Russia, as the actual aggressor and force it to accept a settlement on the invader’s terms,” Sullivan wrote. “It is one thing to find and arrest illegal immigrants; it is indecent to mock and ridicule them, and send them with no due process to a foreign gulag where torture is routine. It is one thing to enforce immigration laws; it is another to use masked, anonymous men to do it. It is one thing to cut foreign aid; it is simply indecent to do so abruptly and irrationally so that tens of thousands of children will needlessly die. We have slowly adjusted to this entirely new culture from the top, perhaps in the hope that it will somehow be sated soon—but then new indecencies happen.”

The subject of Trump’s indecency came up in a conversation I had with Barack Obama in 2017. I asked him to name the most norm-defying act of his successor to date. Somewhat to my surprise, Obama mentioned   Trump’s speech at the Boy Scouts’ National Jamboree   earlier that year. This appearance has been largely forgotten, but it was a festival of indecency. At one point, Trump told the scouts about a wealthy friend of his who, he suggested, did unmentionable things on his yacht.

Obama, a model of dignified presidential behavior (just like nearly all of his predecessors, Democratic and Republican), understood viscerally the importance of self-restraint and adherence to long-established norms. Which is why he was so troubled by Trump’s decadent performance. “You can stand in front of tens of thousands of teenage boys and encourage them to be good citizens and be helpful to their mothers,” Obama said, “or you can go Lord of the Flies. He went Lord of the Flies.”

We are in a long Lord of the Flies moment, led by a man who, to borrow from Psalm 10, possesses a mouth “full of cursing and deceit and fraud.” For many people—government scientists seeking cures for diseases; FBI agents investigating corruption and terrorism; military leaders trying to preserve respect for the rules of warfare; and, in particular, police officers who were brutalized by Trump’s army of deluded followers—these days can seem infernal. Trump’s term is one-quarter over; a piece of advice often attributed to Churchill has it best: When you’re going through hell, keep going.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

Virtually every line of this article is quotable.  Great job by Jeffery Goldberg in these horrific times. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    10 months ago

“It’s all in the Bible,” he said. “Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible.”

And Hitler was a Christian.

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    10 months ago

Did he forget Jesus was a Jew?

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1    10 months ago

.... but he was one of the "good ones".

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1    10 months ago

Don’t all Christian Nationalists?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    10 months ago
“It’s all in the Bible,” he said. “Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible.”

You bet he's in the Bible...as the Anti-Christ

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    10 months ago

this is what happens after 2+ millennium of thumper inbreeding ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4  Trout Giggles    10 months ago
“Them worthless fucking shitholes like fucking Jerry Nadler, fucking Pelosi, Clapper, Comey, fucking all those pieces of garbage, you know, Obama, all these dudes, Clinton, fuck all these pieces of shit,” Dempsey said. “They don’t need a jail cell. They need to hang from these motherfuckers while everybody videotapes it and fucking spreads it on YouTube.”

He sounds only slightly educated. A more educated person could do a better rant

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago
The Question Of Decency - by Andrew Sullivan

Democracy requires decency because it requires mutual respect: to defend others even as we disagree with them, to accept decisions others have made and elections we have lost, to distinguish between robust rhetoric and dehumanizing cruelty, to accept objective truth when it proves us wrong, to maintain a baseline of civility, to accept that we are all in this together. Politics is inextricable from culture, and a decent culture will sustain democracy while an indecent one will ultimately unravel it.

This is why I reject the shallow accusation that I have “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” It’s too glib, too dismissive. Yes, some have gone overboard in opposing this president; from Russiagate to the Bragg indictment, overreach has been real. I’ve  acknowledged it . But the core impulse to reject Trump outright, to see him as uniquely hideous in American political history — as a national, collective  disgrace  — remains a vitally important one.

Because Donald Trump is the most indecent man, by far, to ever hold the presidency. He has openly mocked the  disabled  and the  sick ; he has  reveled  in stories of torture and murder; he has spent decades grabbing women “by the pussy” and bragged about it; he has derided prisoners of war … for being  captured . He parlayed his own divorce into tabloid coverage and  spoke publicly  of wanting to date his own daughter. He began his political rise by pushing a Birther conspiracy he knew was a racist lie. We have become inured to his references to “shit-hole countries” and “the 51st state” and “Gavin Newscum,” to a misogyny that made Jeffrey Epstein a close friend, and to his  gratuitous depiction  of his predecessor as a mere “autopen” in the White House itself.

The indecency is in substance as well as style. It is one thing to be a realist in foreign policy, to accept the morally ambiguous in an immoral world; it is simply indecent to treat a country, Ukraine, invaded by another, Russia, as the actual aggressor and force it to accept a settlement on the invader’s terms. It is one thing to find and arrest illegal immigrants; it is indecent to mock and ridicule them, and send them with no due process to a  foreign gulag  where torture is routine. It is one thing to enforce immigration laws; it is another to use  masked, anonymous men  to do it. It is one thing to cut foreign aid; it is simply indecent to do so abruptly and irrationally so that tens of thousands of children will needlessly die.

We have slowly adjusted to this entirely new culture from the top, perhaps in the hope that it will somehow be sated soon — but then new indecencies happen. You think you’ve reached an all-time low, and then a trap door opens and we’re down in the sub-basement.

Just this week, Trump  told  a reporter asking a perfectly legitimate question: “Quiet. Quiet, Piggy” — pointing a finger inches from her face. In the Oval Office, he  defended  the Saudi prince’s orchestration of a brutal murder and dismembering of a WaPo journalist thus: “a lot of people didn’t like that gentleman that you’re talking lawmakers who argued that his “war” in the Caribbean was illegal and the military should not obey illegal commands: “HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD” and “SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR punishable by DEATH.” (Washington, of course, was a  stickler  for the laws of war.)

Indecency is infectious when broadcast proudly at the very top in full view of everyone. You want to see the full context of antisemitism’s hideous return? Try focusing on a president who has relentlessly legitimized demonization and dehumanization of others for a decade. Nick Fuentes’ casual mention of his fandom for Stalin — and Tucker Carlson’s descent into Coughlin territory — are downstream of the soulless disinhibition pioneered by the president himself. In a culture where anything can be said, and decency is over, Jew hatred will rise to the surface like pus to a poultice. Recall that infamous footage of ordinary Germans humiliating Jews on the street. Indecency begets greater indecency. The Holocaust was just a matter of time.

I know what’s coming next, of course. This column will receive a chorus of accusations of “TDS” and how it’s deranged to oppose a president just because of his “mean tweets,” or to compare him with Hitler, like I just did. (I didn’t, of course; I just noted that indecency has a political history.) A blizzard of “whatabouts” will ensue; I’ll be ridiculed for still not “getting it.”

But I do get it. I understand why Trump was elected and re-elected. I accept the failings of the  alternative . I support some of his  policy changes . But what I want to say to those deriding me is: you still know I’m right. You know who this man is. The record is so clear, the core indecency so manifest and disgusting you cannot look away. This is not about “mean tweets.” It is about a brutal assault on common decency in a democracy. And common decency — as conservatives once knew, and Orwell grasped so keenly — matters. It really does.

Because Anglo-American democracy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s embedded in an inherited wider culture of decency. Attack that decency in favor of insult and cruelty, and you are directly assaulting the foundations of democracy. That is why Trump remains an insidious threat to our way of life and to free people across the globe. Indecency is always an indispensable prologue to tyranny. It makes authoritarianism possible.

But what makes authoritarianism inevitable is public acquiescence to it.

I don’t think most Americans — including most Trump supporters — seriously want to embrace his vileness. They want to bracket it, say it’s no big deal, and point to what Trump does and not what he says. But what they need to understand is that tolerating indecency at such a high level, treating it as funny or a foible or as a way to “own the libs,” carries a logic that history warns directly against. In Orwell’s words, “Fascism has a great appeal for certain simple and decent people who genuinely want to see justice done to the working class ... and the most urgent need of the next few years is to capture those normal decent ones before Fascism plays its trump card.”
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6  Right Down the Center    10 months ago

IMO one party calling the other party evil is one of the biggest problems we face as a country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    10 months ago

Donald Trump is the most indecent man to ever have been president of the United States. We have been telling you for years and you dont listen. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    10 months ago

Irrelevant to my comment

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    10 months ago

I guess you haven't heard trmp calling democrats the party of evil and some of his supporters want to execute all of us

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2    10 months ago

I have heard, which is why I said "one party calling the other party" and not "the dems calling the repubs".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    10 months ago

Fascism is evil. Trumpism is fascism. Trumpism is evil. QED. 

The words aren't the problem. The reality is the problem. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.3    10 months ago

Thanks for proving my point.  A lame rationalization for hatred and calling others evil is exactly what I was talking about.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.3.1    10 months ago

Trump is the most degenerate president in history. Those who support the most degenerate president in history deserve what they get. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    10 months ago

Trump is evil. Those who worship him are evil. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.4.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @6.4    10 months ago

I agree with that. But I don't think all of his supporters are evil. Some have been misled and others don't have a very high IQ.

Stephen Miller is evil

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.4.1    10 months ago

How is the country going to survive three more years of this insanity ?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.4.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.4    10 months ago

The word evil is going to go the way of the word racist.  Overused to the point of being meaningless.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.4.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.4.2    10 months ago

Not calling half the country names would be a good start.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.4.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @6.4.2    10 months ago

Don't worry. The bombs will start falling any day now

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.4.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.4.3    10 months ago

The word evil is in the Bible.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.4.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.4.6    10 months ago

Was the bible talking about political parties?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.4.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.4.7    10 months ago

No but it did talk about the different sects like the Pharisees and Saddcucis (SP?). They were political

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.4.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.4.8    10 months ago

Are you suggestion God thinks the Repubs are evil?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.4.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.4.9    10 months ago

No, not at all. I do believe there are some very good republicans who are good, moral, ethical people. And there are democrats who are evil

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7  Gsquared    10 months ago

Trumpism, which is synonymous with the Republican Party, is a sickness and a haven for misfits, psychopaths, sociopaths, neo-fascists... "and some, I assume, are good people".

 
 

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