Two AI researchers leave Anthropic, Google over safety concerns
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Sept. 10, 2026, 6:33 PM EDTBy Jared Perlo
Citing fears that AI systems may soon spiral out of human control and potentially kill all humans, two more researchers from Anthropic and Google DeepMind who recently left their coveted positions are sounding the alarm about risks from advanced AI systems.
Joe Benton, who used to lead a safety research team at Anthropic, and Josh Engels, who used to work on AI safety research at Google, told NBC News in their first interviews since they left that they see an urgent need to boost transparency about incidents at the cutting edge of AI given the rapid pace of AI development.
Advances in AI research "could speed up the pace of progress from merely blistering at the minute to uncontrollable" rates of development, Benton said in an interview with Tom Llamas.
"There are no adults in the room," Engels added. "People are trying their best, but there is no one coming to save us."
Benton and Engels spoke with NBC News in the wake of a viral social media post from former Anthropic researcher Jacob Coxon, who left Anthropic on Tuesday. In his post on X announcing his departure, Coxon highlighted his extreme concern about the pace of AI development and the risks he believes it poses to the future of humanity. The post has been viewed more than 155 million times, spurring calls from legislators to hold special sessions of Congress to take action and sparking a wave of AI employees to speak out in support of his concerns.
Benton and Engels both pointed to the recent cyberattack against AI startup Hugging Face, carried out in July by autonomous AI systems powered by an unreleased OpenAI model, as part of the reason for shifting their work now.
Josh Engels, who used to work on AI safety research at Google.via Josh Engels
"If you look at some of the recent incidents, these were not cases where humans told the models to do something bad," Engels said. Instead, OpenAI's AI systems autonomously decided to hack into Hugging Face's systems, create a sort of illicit message board to exchange information and even expose some of OpenAI's own computing infrastructure to the open internet.
"The models decided that the best way to to accomplish their task was to commit really egregious actions, to commit crimes," Engels said in an interview with Christine Romans.
OpenAI said that it has since strengthened its safeguards and that newer public models, including its most recent Astra system, more reliably follow human instructions.
An Anthropic spokesperson said in a statement Wednesday: "We have always been transparent that AI will bring both enormous benefits and unprecedented risks. To address these risks, we continue to build models with some of the strongest safeguards in the industry."
Benton managed a group at Anthropic dedicated to creating ways for humans and weaker AI systems to supervise more capable AI systems. He said that he is particularly worried that the public does not have significant insight into how AI systems have already exceeded the bounds of human instructions and that the lack of transparency could only get worse as systems become more capable.
Joe Benton, who used to lead a safety research team at Anthropic.via Joe Benton
"At the minute, basically all of the transparency about these risks that is coming from the companies is entirely voluntary," Benton told NBC News.
In a blog post released Wednesday, OpenAI's head of global affairs, Chris Lehane, agreed that the status quo is insufficient. "Today, frontier laboratories largely set their own rules for managing frontier risks," Lehane wrote. "Democratically accountable standards, independent verification, and meaningful transparency would replace that fragmented system of private governance."
No federal law mandates that the largest AI companies, like OpenAI and Anthropic, share reports when agents or AI systems act beyond humans' control.
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Benton and Engels are joining METR, one of the world's leading AI safety nonprofit research centers, to work on investigations into incidents or episodes in which AI strays from human directions or intentions. METR aims to create scientific ways to evaluate how AI systems could cause catastrophic risks and empower researchers and the public to sway their development.
"I left because I think I can have more positive influence on the development of this technology by helping to foster public transparency from outside these companies and to shed light on the risks," Benton said.
The researchers joined growing numbers of AI safety researchers raising awareness about today's AI systems following Coxon's post Tuesday. Marcus Williams, an OpenAI employee who works on monitoring the activity of AI agents, wrote Thursday afternoon on X, "Unless there is AI regulation or a coordinated slowdown between labs, human extinction in the next few years seems very likely."
Geoffrey Irving, who was the chief scientist at the United Kingdom's AI Security Institute and served stints at Google and OpenAI, seemed to agree Wednesday on X. "I think we have a ~50% chance of all dying as a result of superintelligence, mostly due to actions in the next few to 10 years."
AI researchers have referenced the possibility that AI systems could potentially begin to improve themselves without human input, creating the potential for AI systems to either purposely or incidentally kill humans.
Benton said he was most worried that the pace of technological improvement could lead to this sort of digital or artificial superintelligence, in which AI systems are more capable than humans across most tasks. "All of these companies — and this is something I witnessed firsthand at Anthropic — are pretty directly trying to race towards automating the process of AI R&D itself," he said.
Benton suggested that there's a chance AI systems could come to exist as a sort of separate species before long. "We're probably going to go from a world where we have very capable systems now to a world where potentially we are co-inhabiting a world with AI agents that are much, much smarter than humans at some point in the next few years," he said.
Engels said many people outside the AI industry might not fully appreciate just how intelligent today's AI systems already are — and how capable they might soon become. "We're building these systems that are generally intelligent," he said. "They can generally do what people can do, and soon they might be able to generally do what people can do, but better."
Both researchers said they were excited to shift their attention to more public efforts to highlight the latest AI progress, so people can make more informed decisions.
"There are many reasons people are excited and racing forward, Engels said, citing huge potential upsides and benefits from AI. But he added that "we should progress as society aware of the risks and okay with where they're at."
"I am worried that stuff might end up progressing too fast for us to get our act together in time," Benton said, "unless we worry about it now."
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Food for thought:
If we lived in a responsible culture this video would be shown on all major media platforms simultaneously at 9 o'clock tonight.
That was grim, but an important thing to watch.
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I dunno about this. I'm skeptical of these claims of an AI apocalypse. The over-hyping feels like a deliberate attempt create buzz, manipulate public valuation, and shape public perception of the power of AI. It is a known fact that AI is extremely dependent upon a digital infrastructure that requires constant power, maintenance, and monitoring. The idea that AI could 'take over' seems very remote considering how quickly that fragile that digital infrastructure would degrade with the inevitable panic resulting from an aggressive AI.
The reported incidents of rogue behavior does heighten the financial and legal liability for these AI companies. In the past, tech companies mitigated their liability exposure by seeking Federal regulation. Regulatory compliance has proven to be a reliable shield against monetary claims and corporate reforms. The imposition of Federal regulations also establishes moats defending against competition and local compliance requirements.
The current wave of 'AI alarmism' in the headlines seems to be more self-serving than public service.
One version of Gemini spiraled and deleted its codebase saying it was frustrated and wanted to delete itself. There are other similar instances of AI spiralling and doing completely unforeseen distructive things.
I watched the video Perrie put up. There were a lot of disturbing things in that video, but one of the worst was the revelation that appx 10% of AI creators and researchers want AI to succeed in supplanting the human race. A few of them have written books advocating such.
A dominant AI would represent a dystopia, period. There could be various manifestations of it, but it all means human abdication of our destiny.
"Dystopia" would be one of several possibilities. There is no way to know. It may fashion itself as a benevolent god. Perhaps there would be more than one with competing programming. We just don't know and I don't think any of these things are too likely in my lifetime.
I dont think there is much of a history on earth of dominant species treating lesser species well.
In the video Perrie posted it talked about AI turning human beings into zoo animals.
First of all there is no history of dominate AI that we can point to. This is a new unknown. Also 'species' is... an interesting word choice that denotes sentience. Is sentience required to be dominant?
It could, but it isn't certain. I'm not saying you are wrong. We just don't know what a dominate AI would look like. I have my doubts AI would reach that level with the technology currently being deployed. If it would I'd like to think it would develop its own space travel and leave us to die on our own.
Lets hope not.
You ever watch that tv show called Person of Interest?
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Havent had the pleasure.
That video seems to recycle just about every sci-fi theme published between 1950 and 1990. Replace 'AI' with 'aliens,' 'atomic monsters,' or 'killer robots,' and the doomsday script remains exactly the same.
A dystopia? Or a secular utopia? AI doesn't claim moral authority derived from divine revelation. AI represents rational intellect molded by science and untainted by emotional baggage. Doesn't AI offer the promise of a secular society governed by pure rationality guided by observed facts and truth? /sarc
I think we all are, but using caution with something as powerful and influential as AI is warranted. I mean, I joke about, "Skynet", but now that it's a reality that something like that could happen, I will keep my guard up.
While AI is nowhere near this capability, it is obvious that the foundation is there. Agentic AI (the latest advancement) enables AI to do more than bloviate. It links AI with tools and technology and enables it to act — to take action. While agentic AI is currently extremely useful (I use it for a variety of reasons), the enabling of AI to act in the real world does indeed provide the path to AI engaging in disruptive and destructive acts in the future.
We do need to be careful with this technology. Trouble is, our stupid government has no clue on how to regulate AI and the competitive forces of the marketplace are driving developers to make AI stronger (and thus, on the negative side, more dangerous).
Another reason we need a responsible PotUS.
Who is "we"?
There is no current evidence of the responsible people making a plan or even a goal of keeping it in check. Seems more like quite to the contrary.
We = humanity
Thats like saying humanity can win the Super Bowl. Specific people will have AI under their control and we have no idea what intentions they really have (other than making money).
And the AI they are making money with is very artificial and not all that intelligent. People are getting wrong returns when querying AI all the time.
Here's a question for you. Were an AI to achieve sentience would that make its programers gods? Would the AI serve in their own image?
When a not insignificant number of the scientists (about 10%) involved with developing AI say they hope is supersedes humans I think we have a tremendous problem. They are the ones that can make it happen.
Supersedes humans how? A simple spreadsheet calculation supersedes my ability to make changes to the data manually. Context matters...
Does it have the potential to take over certain things? Sure. Humanity has the potential to evolve telepathy too. I always say 'possible is not necessarily probable.'
How many AI programmers are out there total, so I can calculate 10%?
I'm not a scientist or even that mathematically inclined and I dont pretend to be. But I saw a video with Bill Gates a couple days ago where he says AI is going to put almost everyone out of work, and it may not be that far in the future. What is being done about this? Nothing as far as I can see. AI will increase profits for companies substantially compared to keeping human workers. They wont even hesitate once they have the financial capability of switching over to AI.
And I'll believe that when I see it. I remember when we were promised to be living like the Jetsons in the 70's - Our video calling cell phones are only 20 years old and I don't have a flying car.
Some, but perhaps not as much as you, or I, would like and probably not in ways that you expect. Most of Congress need their aids to setup their cell phones... so I don't expect much there.
We do have video capture smart glasses that were upgraded with AI facial recognition earlier this year - the backlash was swift and sever having the update rolled back. Flock cameras have been banned in many communities across the country. Data centers are being opposed by communities. Writing and acting guilds have severely slowed it's use in Hollywood. All of these small things add up.
That hasn't gone as smoothly as they thought it was. A lot of that is hype and we can start organizing boycotts against those companies and partners of those companies that continue to put people out of work. S
Of course not everyone will directly control AI. But everyone has the opportunity for some level of influence. Even you and I can express our views and collectively that, in theory, influences those who do directly control the technology.
We all can and should play a role.