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Ender

The Men And Women In Blue

  
By:  Ender  •  Video  •  2 years ago  •  107 comments

The Men And Women In Blue

There has been some back and forth about law enforcement. There is commentary that runs the spectrum. We have people that are complete defenders of everything the police do, to the other end of the spectrum of the defund the police movement.

I personally appreciate what the police do. I could never deal with what they do on a daily basis. Dealing with idiots that fight and verbally abuse is not easy yet some handle it with grace and dignity.

Are there some bad cops? Sure but I would have to say that is true of most professions, the good and the bad.

I have been bored this Sunday afternoon (plenty of things to do, I am just being lazy) so I found myself watching cop videos on Youtube.

My opinion is most arrests and most causes of people being taken by force are of their own doing. Not stating the obvious about felony arrests, just common encounters that didn't need to go as far as they did.

I have personally found that just being nice and cooperative is all one needs to do. The fighting back and being rude will get you no where. I have been given warnings instead of tickets just by being nice and apologizing about my indiscretion.

In short, the older I get the more respect I have for what the police do. I wouldn't be able to hold my temper in some situations.

Seriously, I would want to beat the shit out of some of these people yet they somehow manage to keep their cool.

Whether some think they are good or bad, they are a needed part of society.

I am posting a couple of vids, some a little long, some short that shows what cops have to deal with.

My utmost respect for those that keep their cool under fire.

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Ender
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1  author  Ender    2 years ago

 
 
 
Ender
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2  author  Ender    2 years ago

A lot of these I see is just idiots that refuse to cooperate. Apparently for some, that is not an easy thing to do...

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Ender @2    2 years ago

it's a job that I could never do. combine efficiency, expediency, and my overall cheapness with a gun strapped to my hip and I'm afraid with some crimes, $0.50 cents per bullet versus $60K a year to warehouse a scumbag, and I'd be doing a lot of creative writing back at the station.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.1  author  Ender  replied to  devangelical @2.1    2 years ago

I wouldn't be able to control myself on things like high speed chases. My adrenaline goes up when I go fast.

I could handle the car, just not what I would do to the one I was chasing after, especially when they are mouthing off...

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Ender @2.1.1    2 years ago

ezpz. >boom, boom, boom< then make sure you got the perp's prints on the cheap unregistered throw down pistol strapped to your ankle.

 
 
 
Ender
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3  author  Ender    2 years ago

 
 
 
Ender
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4  author  Ender    2 years ago

Some people are just idiot scumbags.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @4    2 years ago

Fricken tent people .....

 
 
 
Mourning Wood
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5  Mourning Wood    2 years ago

The majority of police are good at what the do. That being said we need some reform. No Knock warrants are dangerous for the officers and the occupants of homes to include children and elderly. Many warrants are best served with a traffic stop.  The other huge issue is most cities and municipalities have directives for deadly force, taser then gun. Many of these situations could be handled with proper back up and nonlethal physical force. These same departments actually forbid using restraint techniques in favor of lethal means. That is ridiculous. If your police force isn't physically fit, fire them, desk them.

Traffic violation and misdemeanor quotas are often a large source of revenue for our cities. This needs to end, find your money elsewhere. This forces police to make stops and arrests that are often not necessary and largely inconsistent. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

I think it's the most difficult job in the country.  The constant exposure to the worst of humanity and the inability to do much at all about it, must be incredibly depressing. 

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1  author  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    2 years ago

It has to take a toll.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    2 years ago
constant exposure to the worst of humanity and the inability to do much at all about it, must be incredibly depressing.

... just ask the DC cops that worked 1/6/21.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @6.2    2 years ago
"constant exposure to the worst of humanity and the inability to do much at all about it, must be incredibly depressing."
"... just ask the DC cops that worked 1/6/21."

That's a fantastic example right there dev and how much some really support the men and women in blue.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @6.2    2 years ago

Or the ones that were told to stand down as their cities burned during the "Summer of Love".

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2.2    2 years ago

the PTB were probaby afraid that some boogaloo or proud boy arsonists and looters would get shot.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    2 years ago

The constant exposure to the worst of humanity and the inability to do much at all about it, must be incredibly depressing. 

That constant exposure also tends to twist their world view.  When 90% of the people you deal with are scumbags, you start assuming the other 10% is as well and treating them as such.

 
 
 
Veronica
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7  Veronica    2 years ago
I personally appreciate what the police do. I could never deal with what they do on a daily basis.

I know I would not want to be a police officer in today's world.  I also know that there are some police officers that should not be allowed to carry a gun or have a badge.  

 
 
 
Ender
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8  author  Ender    2 years ago

What gets me also are the amount of people I see that immediately take the side of the one being arrested when they have not even seen what has taken place beforehand.

 
 
 
Mourning Wood
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8.1  Mourning Wood  replied to  Ender @8    2 years ago

Many cities with council members who have advocated for smaller police forces and less funding have been trying to get rid of body cameras for this reason. The body camera seems to be exonerating police instead of exposing them.

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Mourning Wood @8.1    2 years ago

bullshit.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Mourning Wood @8.1    2 years ago
The body camera seems to be exonerating police instead of exposing them.

The camera can show police did the right thing, but frankly, they are in little danger on that front. The doctrine of Qualified Immunity has long since taken care of that.

No, the real value is in shining a light on police misconduct. Incredibly, they will violate people’s rights even with the cameras on. Although, often, when they know they’re about to do something wrong, they shut off the camera first. They’re usually not supposed to do that, but you know “accidents” happen.

 
 
 
squiggy
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8.1.3  squiggy  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.2    2 years ago

Those blackouts should face tough administrative standards - to the point of ending a career on three strikes.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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8.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  devangelical @8.1.1    2 years ago

bullshit.

Agreed.  When they do the right thing, the bodycam generally is not needed, with a very few (in comparison) exceptions.  Bodycams are more for keeping the officers in line.

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.4    2 years ago

I have LE friends and family. like other jobs, some of those doing it probably shouldn't be.

 
 
 
squiggy
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9  squiggy    2 years ago

Audit the Audit, on Youtube, offers a fair critique of the winners and losers.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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10  Raven Wing    2 years ago

My Father was a Ft Worth TX motorcycle police officer for 11 years before moving into a squad car after a near fatal accident took out his motorcycle. He was also a member of the Texas Rangers assigned to investigations of organized cattle rustling in OK for 4 years. During the years he was in Law Enforcement I was able to see and learn about what the police officers and Rangers had to go through, as well as their families. 

There were several times that my Father almost lost his life, and over the years he lost 4 of his partners to gun violence. So I grew up not knowing each day that my Father went to work if he would wind up in the hospital fighting for his life, or never coming home alive again. 

The pay was lousy, and no health insurance. The police officers had to buy their own motorcycle, guns and uniforms. One year we lost our home we had only owned for 1 year as well as everything we owned due to the break in the Trinity River levee after a severe storm. So we had to start all over again.

But, my Father really liked his job, and he saved the lives of far more than he had to take.

Here is my Father on his police motorcycle taken his 3rd year on the force:

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And here he is with his cutting horse during his time in the Texas Rangers as a Brand Inspector:

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The horse was a Mustang, and my Father had to have his saddle custom made as he stood 6' 6". He was a Cross-Draw expert and a Sharp Shooter and wore a matching serial numbered set of Colt .45 Thumb Busters.

It was a time of his life he was always proud of.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Raven Wing @10    2 years ago

Those are great photos of your dad

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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10.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1    2 years ago

Thanks Giggles. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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10.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Raven Wing @10.1.1    2 years ago

I'm glad he was one of the good guys, but I think your dad needed a bigger horse.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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11  Drinker of the Wry    2 years ago

Completely agree, great blog, Ender.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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12  Trout Giggles    2 years ago

I've been stopped.....1....2...3...4? times for speeding. I was speeding in every case. I treated the officer like he was a 4 star general and I was a lowly basic airmen. No tickets!

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @12    2 years ago

you undid the top button of your blouse before he got to your window, ... admit it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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13  Tacos!    2 years ago

My dad was a cop for 28 years. He was also a single parent, so I practically grew up in the police station. I have a deep respect for the profession.

However, we have serious problems with policing in this country. Those problems have existed for a long time, but thanks to cameras, those problems are finally being exposed. There are far too many cops who are racist, who are bullies, or have a general disdain for citizens and their rights. 

We don’t need to shut down police departments, but we do need major reforms in police training and practices. 

Here is a recent example of just how stupid and bullying cops can be:

 
 
 
Ender
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13.1  author  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @13    2 years ago

I haven't watched all of that yet, I just skipped through real quick.

I have to wonder though, why do people have such a fit over showing id. Really, it's not that big of a deal. They want to know who you are.

I don't get why people throw a fit over it. I have nothing to hide.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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13.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @13.1    2 years ago
why do people have such a fit over showing id

Because he doesn’t have to.  He has a life and he wants to get on with it. Why should he have to put his life on hold while cops hold his ID hostage? If cops could just demand ID all the time for no reason, they would. How long should a man be detained when he has done nothing wrong?

They want to know who you are.

Why? Why is it their business?

The real question is why do cops need to see his ID? The concern here was that he had a gun in his pocket. It’s established immediately that there is no gun. That should have been the end of the interaction. Instead, cop wants his ID? WTF for?

I have nothing to hide.

This is the lie cops tell. “If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to object.” But that’s bull. Suppose you got stopped every day and cops demanded your ID? Isn’t there some point, where you’d object? Wouldn’t you get tired of being falsely accused? Needlessly stopped and “investigated?”

They’ll take your ID and check for warrants, but they can also see if you’ve ever been arrested before. If you have, you’ll get to relive it as cops question you about it. Just hope that the system in your jurisdiction doesn’t keep a public record of this interaction. It could impact your job. If you’re going through a divorce with child custody at stake, maybe the opposition will want to know why you were stopped by police. It doesn’t take much to ruin a life - even a good one.

While they’re holding on to your ID, they’ll likely ask you more questions. “Do you mind if I pat you down?” (I would mind) “Where are you going?” “Where are you coming from?” “Been drinking? Drinking and driving? Doing drugs?” If they’re outside your house, “mind if we come in and look around?”

It’s all fishing. There’s no genuine suspicion of wrongdoing. They’re hoping that you will say or do something they can twist into something they can arrest you for. It’s lazy police work that violates basic rights. The cops are not out there to see how few people they can arrest. Small wonder then, that people resent cops.

 
 
 
Ender
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13.1.2  author  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @13.1.1    2 years ago

Taking that stance, cops or other law enforcement cannot ask for id to see if someone is in the country legally or not. Cannot go on intuition.

You are talking about a free fall of rights. Sorry but I do not believe them wanting to know if someone has a warrant or whatever is going to escalate to complete invasion of privacy.

 
 
 
Ender
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13.1.3  author  Ender  replied to  Ender @13.1.2    2 years ago

To add a little to that, I know it is probably different in big cities but here we usually have the same cops for a long time, a career. We had one young one that was a hot head but I don't think he is with them anymore.

A lot of them can remember people around the neighborhood.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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13.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @13.1.2    2 years ago
Taking that stance, cops or other law enforcement cannot ask for id to see if someone is in the country legally or not.

That’s already the case. It’s the job of federal officers - not local cops - to investigate illegal aliens. We established the 4th Amendment with good reason. British authorities happily investigated people without good cause and made their lives miserable. And of course the Nazis were notorious for demanding papers.

Sorry but I do not believe them wanting to know if someone has a warrant or whatever is going to escalate to complete invasion of privacy.

Right, because that would be unreasonable and unjust. It’s such an insane notion that most people naturally assume cops would not abuse people’s rights in this way. But they do. Even as a kid, I can remember cops bitching and moaning about Miranda, the 5th Amendment, and having total disdain for the rights of pretty much anyone they might encounter. For such cops, the Constitution is an inconvenience keeping them from making as many arrests or convictions as they want.

In the video I linked, the man is arrested after cops had decided to let him go, but changed their mind when he still didn’t want to be friendly. It’s absurd.

That’s why transparency and reform are so necessary.

 
 
 
Ender
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13.1.5  author  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @13.1.4    2 years ago

I know there needs to be some reform. We have known that since they were tolerating racism.

Honestly this is a weird position for me as I feel like I am defending cops. Liberals are suppose to hate cops doncha know...Haha

I just feel a lot of it is over reaction. I have seen vids of the cops being nice even while being verbally abused.

Like I said in the blog, there are good and bad, like most professions. There are people that want to feel superior just as there are people that actually want to do good.

I think the work itself (being a cop) takes a toll on people. See things and have to do things that most people could not.

Most of the vids I have looked at they usually don't ask for an id until the people start being irate with them.

To be honest I have had run ins with the law. Maybe it is 'my privilege' yet I was always treated fairly. Starting when I was a teenager and two other cars racing each other came off of a road and one smashed into me. I ended up getting a ticket because I didn't have my glasses on. I could have thrown a fit and yelled and screamed yet he was right. They still ticket the others as well...

One time I was caught outside a bar with a joint, they dropped it...

I am just saying, I know there is good and bad yet it is a hard job that not a lot of us could do.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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13.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @13.1.5    2 years ago
I have seen vids of the cops being nice even while being verbally abused.

They should be nice in that circumstance. While morally, I do not approve of being shitty to cops; legally, they are obliged to tolerate it. They don’t have the right to retaliate with their power when people are rude to them.

 
 
 
Ender
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13.1.7  author  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @13.1.6    2 years ago

Agree. That is why I say I couldn't do it. I would snap on some asshole.

Not use power, just lose my temper.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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13.1.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @13.1.1    2 years ago

Besides it being my right to not show ID, I often don't have it on me.

If I'm out walking my dog, or taking a walk during my lunch break, I don't have my purse, and women's wallets and clothes being what they are (no large pockets), I don't have my wallet, either.

Should I get in trouble for that?  Of course I shouldn't.  Am I being uncooperative?  Of course not.  I'd be willing to bet that most women out for a walk don't have their IDs on them, for the same reasons as me.

If I'm walking to the post office to mail a package, which is something I often do, and some cop decides that that package is suspicious, should I be cuffed and tossed in the back of a cruiser because I don't have ID on me?

The cops in the video didn't have probable cause to arrest anybody.  He had a cane.  It looked nothing like a firearm.  Once that was made clear to the female officer, that should have been the end of the interaction, but her ego and her buddy's got in the way.  Some cops (not most) actually think that they have to be obeyed, period.  They don't.  They have authority when a crime is being committed or in an emergency (and that's conditional).  If there's no emergency and no crime is being committed, their orders don't count for any more than yours or mine.

I'll add that I would never expect any of the cops in my town to do something like these bozos did.  The only time I was pulled over, it was to tell me my headlight was out.  I don't think he even asked for my license and registration, and when I told him I was going to replace the headlight as soon as I got home, which was true, I was free to go.  That damn car went through headlights like underwear.

 
 
 
squiggy
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13.1.9  squiggy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.8    2 years ago

Well, he started out somewhere, somehow.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.8    2 years ago

I have a personal memory from when I was 19. It involves one of my first real jobs. I was hired and was showing up for my first day of work at a warehouse in South Boston. (It was, at the time, the perishable warehouse for "Stop & Shop Inc")  It was the day after a holiday, so the warehouse that normally operated 24/7 wasn't open yet. I was more than an hour early. As I stood out front a police car pulled up to me. The only way I can describe the two police officers is as I saw them at the time: two Irish cops.

The one on the passanger side asked me what I was doing in front of the warehouse. I explained it to him and then he asked me for an ID. I said to him "why do I need one?"  He wasn't too happy with that. He said "I'll show you why."  He searched me and put me in the car and said "Maybe when we get to the station you'll understand."  As the other cop drove, he kept glancing over at the other cop, as in disbelief of his partner losing his temper that way.

Eventually the cop who did all the talking said "turn around, take him back." When we got back to the warehouse, that cop apologized to me. I told him that no apology was necessary. You see, having grown up in a city neighborhood, I want the cops to be tough & aggressive. Those who lack city life experience have no idea what they are doing to the poor people who can't escape the city.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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13.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @13.1.5    2 years ago

The major problem with big city cops especially, but even smaller town cops, is that too many of them are racist. This is the elephant in the room. 

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The number of cops that are assholes is no doubt higher than the number of assholes in the overall population, but that is explainable. Cops need to be aggressive, and they need to think they are right and the other guy is wrong. Thats just the way it is if we expect them to be effective police officers. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.11    2 years ago

PROVE IT!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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13.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.12    2 years ago

During the summer I was watching one of my nephews play softball in a parish league. A bunch of guys on a team waiting to play the next game were standing on the sidelines near me. I couldnt help but overhear their conversation which turned out to be related to the fact that all of the 5 or 6 of them talking were Chicago cops. In the few minutes I was listening to them they joked and laughed about how stupid the black people are in the district where these cops work, heard them repeatedly use the n word (all these half dozen cops were white, and heard them just generally ridicule black people. 

I have known many cops during my life, for various reasons, and the vast majority of them have been racist to one degree or another. 

I will say this in a quasi defense of the cops. They see things in the course of their work that make them racist, if they werent when they started.  But in the end thats not a good enough excuse. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.13    2 years ago

I guess we all have anecdotal stories.

The bottom line is that the people who have to live in cities like Chicago desperately want policing!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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13.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.14    2 years ago

Its not just anecdotal stories

although what I have heard come out of the mouths of  15 or so cops that I personally know , over the course of years, is not just anecdotal , it is a sample.  Or do I just have the bad luck of knowing the racist ones ?

Chicago has a residency rule. Chicago cops, and firemen, must live within the city limits. Here is a map of Chicago . See the two areas I circled in red? These two neighborhoods are disproportionately full of police homes. If you go into a bar in these neighborhoods a third of the people in there might be cops who live in the neighborhood.  Notice where these two neighborhoods are . They are as far from the "black" neighborhoods as they can get and still be within the city limits for the residency rule.  This is not a "coincidence".  

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Black Lives Matter protested in the Mt Greenwood neighborhood specifically because they knew so many white cops lived there. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.15    2 years ago

Do you know who this is John?

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That's David Brown, Superintendent of the Chicago Police Department.

The Mayor and the City Council has been pushing for more Black Police Officers. Maybe soon the Department will be majority Black. Then we'll see about how they feel about those they have to police.

Thanks for the map. The section I was most concerned about (Taylor Street) is long gone.

Good luck.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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13.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.16    2 years ago

Taylor street is still there, although it is not the Italian stronghold it once was.( In the middle of the map you see the neighborhood called "Near West Side". That is where Taylor Street is.)  Still some really good Italian restaurants though. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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13.1.18  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.10    2 years ago

I want them to follow the Constitution and the laws of their state.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.18    2 years ago

I'm with you on that.

We need to back them up when they do it right.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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13.1.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.19    2 years ago

Of course we do.  And we need to hold them accountable when they do it wrong.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.21  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.17    2 years ago

So I've heard. Don't they call those neighborhood bars "taverns?"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.20    2 years ago
And we need to hold them accountable when they do it wrong.

Haven't we done that?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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13.1.23  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.22    2 years ago

Sometimes we have. Sometimes we haven't. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.24  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.23    2 years ago

In the year 2022, a cop can't make one wrong move.

I have noticed that since they started wearing body cameras the number of complaints has gone way down. Btw, I don't think the cops have changed their actions as much as some of those doing the complaining can't get away with what they used to.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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13.1.25  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.24    2 years ago

The cops in the video Tacos posted had bodycams.  They got off with a slap on the wrist.  One had a 2-day suspension, for violating a blind man's civil rights, after escalating unnecessarily.  That's piss-poor accountability.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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13.1.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.24    2 years ago
I have noticed that since they started wearing body cameras the number of complaints has gone way down.

I have noticed, as well, that the body cam videos debunk much of what the SJW's use in their BS claims as well.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13.1.27  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.25    2 years ago

Let's use the two prime historical examples of our lifetime. First would be the case where a cop was responsible for the death of George Floyd. Contrast that with the justfied killing of Michael Brown. 

In the case of Floyd, justice was fair and swift with not only the officer, Derek Chauvin in question being prosecuted and being sentenced to 22.5 years in prison, but the 3 men he was training were also prosecuted. And even with that there were many months of riots and looting with about a dozen people killed.

In the case of Michael Brown a lie was initially told, which became the inspiration for the creation of BLM: "hands up don't shoot:



That case was not only investigated by the Ferguson Police, but by Obama's Justice Department headed up by the notorious Eric Holder. As hard as they tried to find wrongdoing, the facts were backed up by Black witnessess that Brown tried to take officer Officer Darren Wilson's gun and that Brown was killed in the struggle.

What happened to Darren Wilson?

As of August 2015:

CNN  — 

"Darren Wilson may have been legally vindicated in killing Michael Brown, but in many ways, he doesn’t live like a free man.

Few people know where he lives with his wife and baby daughter. The 29-year-old former Ferguson police officer hasn’t been able to land a new police job, and is haunted by death threats stemming from Brown’s shooting almost exactly one year ago."




There is the difference Sandy. You may be able to point to a time when cops could get away with stuff, but we are way past that time. The American left has demonized them and put a target on them. How many of them have veen ambushed and murdered because of a hatefilled ideology that has divided the country?

 

 
 
 
devangelical
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13.1.28  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.27    2 years ago

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devangelical
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13.1.29  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @13.1.28    2 years ago

oops, I meant partisan comment...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
13.1.30  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.27    2 years ago

And the officers in the above video were wearing bodycams, Vic.  Clearly, cops do get away with stuff, even in the era of bodycams.

Things aren't nearly as black and white as you'd like to portray.  I can back good officers while admitting that there are bad officers who still get away with stuff they should know better than to do.  This issue, like many others, has shades of gray.  Trying to paint anybody who recognizes the bad as anti-LEO is hyperbolic partisanship.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.31  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @13.1.26    2 years ago

We can all agree body cams helped cops.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
13.1.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.31    2 years ago

Without a doubt.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.33  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.30    2 years ago
Trying to paint anybody who recognizes the bad as anti-LEO is hyperbolic partisanship.

Don't put words in my mouth

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
13.1.34  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.33    2 years ago

That is ironic, considering that's exactly what you've done to others.

The American left has demonized them and put a target on them. How many of them have veen ambushed and murdered because of a hatefilled ideology that has divided the country?

Those were your words.  In response to a blog in support of LEO posted by Ender, whom we both know is one of our more left-leaning members.  You've put words in the mouths of anyone on the left.  You have ignored the video posted by Tacos, who is not one of our more left-leaning members, because it both proves that reasonable people of any political ideology can recognize that the police are not always innocent, and because it wasn't posted by a leftist.  You ignore both content and the identity of those posting that content, because both show your comments to be both false and at best, bitterly partisan, or at worst, just flat out dishonest in their persistent vilification of anyone whos politics disagree with yours.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.34    2 years ago
considering that's exactly what you've done to others.

So you keep saying.


Those were your words.

Yes they are and they are true. It was democrat mayors who had the police stand down. It was democrats who called for and got defunding of police departments and it is democrat DA's like Alvin Bragg that keep letting criminals out on the street.

If you are honest.: YOU ADMIT THAT DEMOCRATS PUT A TARGET ON COPS!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
13.1.36  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.35    2 years ago

Both the blog on which you're commenting and the identity of the blogger who posted it prove you wrong, Vic.  Persisting in false statements in the face of evidence to the contrary is not a good look.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
13.1.37  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.35    2 years ago

How many Dems assaulted cops Jan 6th?

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.38  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.36    2 years ago
Both the blog on which you're commenting and the identity of the blogger who posted it prove you wrong, Vic. 

That's not true Sandy. One leftwinger's opinion does not counter what Obama and Biden and Soros and BLM have done to local police in this country. It's great that Ender has realized that we need the police, but it does not in anyway vindicate democrats.


Persisting in false statements in the face of evidence to the contrary is not a good look.

The facts are clear. The far left put a target on their backs and nice thoughts coming from you & Ender won't change it.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
13.1.39  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.38    2 years ago

Other left wingers agree with him, Vic.

You're generalizing, and thereby putting words in the mouths of people you don't know.  You just assume the worst, and state it as a fact, despite evidence to the contrary.

You also, by the way, didn't support the Capitol police in the performance of their jobs.  Your support for police is very conditional.  You "like" the ones who violated your constitutional rights and would do so to others, but don't like the ones who protect the Capitol from insurrectionist mobs who are attacking them and our nation.

That's hypocritical.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.40  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.39    2 years ago

No, Sandy, you were given facts that you ran away from in Post 13.1.27

Care to comment now?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
13.1.41  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @13.1.37    2 years ago

Nationwide?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
13.1.42  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.40    2 years ago

Says the guy who ran away from the video above.  Care to comment on it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
14  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Many cops have an aggressive personality that includes a desire to tell other people what to do. Others become cops because it is a good job. Steady work and generally good pay and often considerable opportunity for overtime. 

That said I think it is overall a good thing that we have the people serving as police that we do. Cops need to be decisive, for the publics safety as well as their own, and the 'alpha' type is more suited for that.

Having 'alpha' cops creates its own issues, but overall I think its the best we can do.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
14.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  JohnRussell @14    2 years ago

I can say from experience that the "alpha" cop is the last guy you want on scene. All they do is make shit worse, when "that guy" shows up you just pass the scene off to him and it is no longer your problem. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

Here is an example of where this country is right now.

Alvin Bragg is a social justice warrior. In other words race is a factor in how he upholds the law:

"Manhattan’s new DA has ordered his prosecutors to stop seeking prison sentences for hordes of criminals and to downgrade felony charges in cases including armed robberies and drug dealing, according to a set of progressive policies made public Tuesday.

In his first memo to staff on Monday, Alvin Bragg said his office “will not seek a carceral sentence” except with homicides and a handful of other cases, including domestic violence felonies, some sex crimes and public corruption.

“This rule may be excepted only in extraordinary circumstances based on a holistic
analysis of the facts, criminal history, victim’s input (particularly in cases of
violence or trauma), and any other information available,” the memo reads.

Assistant district attorneys must also now keep in mind the “impacts of incarceration,” including whether it really does increase public safety, potential future barriers to convicts involving housing and employment, the financial cost of prison and the racial disparities over who gets time, Bragg instructed.
In cases where prosecutors do seek to put a convict behind bars, the request can be for no more than 20 years for a determinate sentence, meaning one that can’t be reviewed or changed by a parole board.

“The Office shall not seek a sentence of life without parole,” the memo states.

Under state law, that punishment is reserved for the most heinous of murderers, including terrorists, serial killers, cop killers and fiends who kill children younger than 14 during in connection with sex crimes or torture.

Bragg’s memo also detailed the following instructions for prosecutors to reduce charges filed by cops in various cases:

  • Armed robbers who use guns or other deadly weapons to stick up stores and other businesses will be prosecuted only for petty larceny, a misdemeanor, provided no victims were seriously injured and there’s no “genuine risk of physical harm” to anyone. Armed robbery, a class B felony, would typically be punishable by a maximum of 25 years in prison, while petty larceny subjects offenders to up to 364 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.
  • Convicted criminals caught with weapons other than guns will have those felony charges downgraded to misdemeanors unless they’re also charged with more serious offenses. Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree, a class D felony, is punishable by up to 7 years behind bars .
  • Burglars who steal from residential storage areas, parts of homes that aren’t “accessible to a living area” and businesses located in mixed-use buildings will be prosecuted for a low-level class D felony that only covers break-ins instead of for more serious crimes. Those more serious crimes, class B and class C felonies, would be punishable by up to 25 and up to 15 years in prison respectively. 
  • Drug dealers believed to be “acting as a low-level agent of a seller” will be prosecuted only for misdemeanor possession. Also, suspected dealers will only be prosecuted on felony charges if they’re also accused of more serious crimes or are actually caught in the act of selling drugs. That felony would mean facing up to seven years behind bars.

    ADAs should use their judgment and experience to evaluate the person arrested, and identify people: who suffer from mental illness; who are unhoused; who commit crimes of poverty; or who suffer from substance use disorders,” Bragg added."

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @15    2 years ago

Vic, you can fuck off. You have no idea what it is like in the country right now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @15.1    2 years ago

You were flagged for that, but I know Sandy's MO. She is going to wait to see if I react first and I will.

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Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.1    2 years ago

Lol of course you flagged me, makes me think you are the number one reason I get suspended. All that free speech and shit. 

[Deleted] You just sit around and complain while really doing nothing. I actually do shit. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @15.1.2    2 years ago
Lol of course you flagged me, makes me think you are the number one reason I get suspended.

You are the reason for that. How many times is one allowed to get suspended from NT????


And yes Vic, unlike you, I have the balls to serve in war and be a cop afterwards.

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You just sit around and complain while really doing nothing. I actually do shit. 

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Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.3    2 years ago
No, you don't have balls nor brains. You are just a radical leftist, so why would anyone hire you to protect citizens?

And that right there is why I have no respect for you. Because you do not respect anyone else. You are a hardline partisan not open to any other views or opinions and thus anything you say is void of meaning or purpose. 

How about all that free speech you throw around on any Musk seeds?  What happened to that?

Bitch.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @15.1.4    2 years ago

I don't think you have respect for much of anything.

When it comes to lefties telling us they didn't deter law enforcement or the rule of law: I do have a lot to say.


Fuck Off!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.5    2 years ago
I don't think you have respect for much of anything.

You are right, I don't. There are only a select few things and people I actually care about.

When it comes to lefties telling us they didn't deter law enforcement or the rule of law: I do have a lot to say.


Fuck Off!

Not surprising considering the GOP did as much to fuck us over as anyone. "Fuck off" seems to be the conservative view when it comes to Law Enforcement these days. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @15.1.6    2 years ago

"Fuck Off" is the response that the lefties on this site wanted to be allowed.  Therefore I get to give lefties here a good dose of their medicine.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.5    2 years ago
Fuck Off!

Don’t lower yourself to their level Vic.

You’re better than that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.8    2 years ago

Good advice, my friend.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.7    2 years ago

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Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.8    2 years ago

Lol, from you?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1.12  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.7    2 years ago

Vic, honestly, what have you done for this country?

I mean I get that bitching and whining about unimportant shit is basically your day job, but what have you, personally sacrificed or even offered to sacrifice, for this country? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16  Thrawn 31    2 years ago

As probably the only LEO here, I have stayed away from this thread. All I can say is we are trying to do the right thing, we are trying to keep everyone safe, and we are trying maintain the law.  We may not always do it right, but that is part of the job. I would love to see any of you handle a homeless person after Narcan. 

We try, can you imagine dealing with alll of your bullshit x1000 everyday? Cops are not the enemy. We try to help, but you all make it really hard.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16    2 years ago

We get that.  That's why Ender posted this.  I think a lot of us would have at the very least felt the urge to manhandle some of the people being shown in the videos.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1    2 years ago

And that is where most of us show an ungodly amount of restraint on a daily basis. For every video you see of a cop fucking someone up, imagine how much shit they and the thousands of officers around the country, had to put up with before that. 

Let's try to reserve judgement is all I am saying. It is complicated. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
16.1.2  author  Ender  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16.1.1    2 years ago

When I lived in Long Beach every once in a while they would have like a meet and greet at the local coffee shop. A get to know the cops and get to know the community kind of thing.

I never went yet it was kinda nice. People would take their kids and show that the cops are people too, not something to be afraid of.

Then on the other hand we had a woman that was having an affair during the day and she left her daughter in the squad car while she went inside for her tryst. It was in summer and the child died after being left for over an hour in the sun. She said she left the car running... 

Let's just say she was not handled with kid gloves.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16.1.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ender @16.1.2    2 years ago

Lol what the hell? I mean I am not laughing that the kid died, that sucks, but the reasoning for the mother. And the officer, fuck you dude. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
16.1.4  author  Ender  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16.1.3    2 years ago

She was the cop. I don't think I made that clear.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16.1.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ender @16.1.4    2 years ago

Fuck her, an unforgivable mistake. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
16.2  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16    2 years ago

Well, if you treat the public you serve anything like you treat people here, you are definitely part of the problem.     I have nothing but support and respect for good LEO’s.    And nothing but a burning distain for bad LEO’s.

I’ve thanked you for your service more than once here and mean it but it sure seems like you have a chronic need to be pat on the ass for the choices you made.

Which is telling .....

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16.2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @16.2    2 years ago

Yes while I was in training I mentioned it more than I should have, granted. I strode upon that horse and rode it. 

But I have been off it now for awhile. I try my best to be a good cop, I try to follow the law to the letter. Have I fucked up? Of course, hopefully no DA sees it lol, but I do try. 

And talking about a chronic need for pats on the ass... why do you post all the time? Because you want those views and thumbs up. Seems to me that YOU have the chronic need lol

I sign in like once a week at most, you are here everyday lol.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
16.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16.2.1    2 years ago
you are here everyday lol.

Wrong ..... try again ...

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
16.3  squiggy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16    2 years ago

You say that when you're in the spotlight. Another day and it's a joke about somebody riding the stairs.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16.3.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  squiggy @16.3    2 years ago

It has to be to keep our sanity.

How deeply do you want to think about the 8 year old who called cuz her mommy was making funny noises. I got to tell 8 year old that mommy was dead btw. Fuckin fun times

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
16.3.2  squiggy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16.3.1    2 years ago

That's the job - take it or leave it.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16.3.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  squiggy @16.3.2    2 years ago

I have taken it [deleted]

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
16.3.4  squiggy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @16.3.3    2 years ago

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