Trump's Coronavirus Calendar

  
By:  John Russell  •  one week ago  •  172 comments


Trump's Coronavirus Calendar
 

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JohnRussell
2  author  JohnRussell    one week ago

Mental illness?   Nah, old fashioned stupidity, narcissism, and lying. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one week ago
[off topic]
 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.1  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    one week ago
[(removed for context)]
 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one week ago
lying

What did he lie about?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.2    one week ago
What did he lie about?

What didn't he lie about? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.2.1    one week ago

Everything.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.3  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @2.2.1    one week ago
What did he lie about?
What didn't he lie about? 

So TDS simply ruled your answer.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.4  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @2.2    3 days ago
What did he lie about?

What makes you think that if you comment on a video-- but haven't watched it-- that no one will  realize that you haven't?

(Or perhaps you assume that since you didn't take the time to watch it, that no one else will?) 

Yes, I watched it-- the entire video...that's how I know!

LOL jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @2.2.4    3 days ago

Are you on the right thread? I watched the video and didn't say anything that would indicate otherwise. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 days ago

512

You really need to get your ducks in a row.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3    6 days ago

This is the entirety of what Trump said in his State Of The Union address about the virus

"Protecting Americans’ health also means fighting infectious diseases. We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the Coronavirus outbreak in China. My Administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat."

"My Administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat."

Good thing he protected us. Otherwise there might have been panic and tens of thousands of people infected by now.      s. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    6 days ago

You're still not reading it John.  The House concentrated for 25 days to impeach the President and didn't take ONE STEP at even recognizing the threat, as reported by the President and by WHO.  Their entire goal, as stated numerous times by members of the House, was to impeach the President.

Now the wicked witch of the West refuses to negotiate on the Bill the Senate has produced, one which will cost well over $1 Trillion because she wants the House to draft their own bill.  What a friggin' waste.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.3  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.2    4 days ago
The House concentrated for 25 days to impeach the President and didn't take ONE STEP at even recognizing the threat, as reported by the President and by WHO. 

There were only 7 members of the House 'concentrating' on impeachment. The rest were holding committee hearings and passing bills, 41 in total in January. 

ALL of the Agencies that are set up to address public health are controlled by Trump, NOT the Congress. What was Trump busy doing 1st? Hell, since January 11 Trump has gone to Mar a Lago for the weekend 7 times. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  author  JohnRussell    one week ago

I would like ANYONE who takes issue with the content of this article to explain why Trump should be excused for downplaying the virus for many weeks. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago
I would like ANYONE who takes issue with the content of this article to explain why Trump should be excused for downplaying the virus for many weeks.

I guess you need someone to explain to you that he was hoping to AVID A PANIC like we're currently enduring.  See, what happens when you have a concept of reality?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    one week ago

He was HOPING that it wouldnt get bad because he thought it would hurt his popularity. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.2  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    one week ago
I guess you need someone to explain to you that he was hoping to AVID A PANIC like we're currently enduring. 

So he LIED? 

How very kind of him to do so. /S

The only thing that Trump wanted to avoid was an effect on his reelection and the only leg he has to stand on, the economy. 

Seriously, we need FACTS, not bullshit. Most of our presidents understood that the American people can face anything as long as they are told the TRUTH. 

Trump isn't MAGA by LYING to Americans every fucking time he opens his mouth. 

Oh and BTFW, Trump COULD have averted panic by telling the truth and ACTING. Instead, to the detriment of the American people, Trump believed his own 'no worries' bullshit.  

See, what happens when you have a concept of reality?

LIES are the antithesis of the concept of reality XD. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @3.1.2    one week ago

If Obama had done what we have proof of Trump doing (downplaying a virulent, deadly, epidemic) these guys would be losing their minds. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.4  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    one week ago

Members here have already tried that until I posted the FACTS, as documented on the CDC website, of the timeline of actions taken. Their comments dried up after that. 

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.5  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    one week ago

Thanks to his amazing leadership, his popularity is growing by leaps and bounds!

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.6  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @3.1.4    one week ago
Members here have already tried that until I posted the FACTS,

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The only facts I've seen posted are the Obama  apologist excuses for the greatest lead from behind president ever. I'm sure it gets the TDS crowds approval.

Then you have the facts that elude you on how the 'son of a bitch' Obama never replenished the ventilators from 10 years ago and now we have a shortage. just more of the great leader from behind actions.

 
 
 
squiggy
3.1.7  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    one week ago
these guys would be losing their minds. 

No, they stayed composed for eight years. Public pants pissing began late in '16.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.8  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.6    one week ago
The only facts I've seen posted are the Obama  apologist excuses for the greatest lead from behind president ever. 

What you see is on you. 

Then you have the facts that elude you on how the 'son of a bitch' Obama never replenished the ventilators from 10 years ago and now we have a shortage. just more of the great leader from behind actions.

I won't even ask you to prove that bullshit. I tire of trying to educate the willfully ignorant. 

So Azar says there were 30 million N95 masks. 

The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health stated that the SNS should stockpile for at least 18 million [to last for 3 months]. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Dulay @3.1.8    one week ago

Oh and BTFW, Azar's testimony was on Feb. 25-26.

I'd love someone to tell me how the hell we went through 30 MILLION N95 masks in just 23 days. 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.10  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.9    one week ago
I'd love someone to tell me how the hell we went through 30 MILLION N95 masks in just 23 days

Pretty easy to answer.

There are approximately 18 million healthcare workers in the US, me being one of them. Taking a guess, and probably a low number, 20 percent of that number have direct contact with patients....inpatient, outpatient and home health.

Most, if not all of those are now required to wear face masks when interacting with patients who have contracted COVID 19, and they are required to change masks with every patient. This does not include those that still work with patients with the common cold, flu, etc, and patients who already have compromised immune systems, not just the elderly, but those with cancer, diabetes, etc.

The short term care facility I work out just instituted a policy of wearing face masks while in the building and are required to wear a different one each day.

By that, 93 million masks do not last that long.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  bugsy @3.1.10    one week ago
Pretty easy to answer.

Bad Bugsy.  Bad.

You used too many words in cogent form to answer the question.  Too many words equals mass confusion for some.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.12  bugsy  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.11    one week ago

I only do what I can to educate these folks. Most refuse to see truth when their "I hate Trump" mantra overrides all else.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.13  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.10    one week ago
Most, if not all of those are now required to wear face masks when interacting with patients who have contracted COVID 19, and they are required to change masks with every patient.

The CDC devolved those 'guidelines' days ago. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html#crisis-capacity

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.14  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.13    6 days ago
The CDC devolved those 'guidelines' days ago.

At least you recognize they are guidelines and not requirements. It's a start.

Healthcare facilities make their own rules when implementing the use of face masks as long as they are not putting providers or patients in danger, and the availability of masks.

Also, if you notice, I said MOST facilities require a change of mask for each patient. That is also to protect both the provider and the patient and availability, not wasting masks. The one thing that is highly frowned upon is to take a mask home and return with it to use it the next day.

Masks are in shorter supply today not because of a real shortage, as there are adequate amounts for normal use, but because cities and states are doing what individuals are doing with toilet paper, hoarding it without even knowing if they will need it.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.15  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.14    6 days ago
Masks are in shorter supply today not because of a real shortage, as there are adequate amounts for normal use, but because cities and states are doing what individuals are doing with toilet paper, hoarding it without even knowing if they will need it.

Based on all of the anecdotal evidence that I have read, that's bullshit. 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.16  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.15    6 days ago
anecdotal

There's the key word. To repeat your favorite word when you lose arguments....bullshit.

If facilities are short on masks, it's because of the use during this crisis, not because of normal use.

Maybe you should turn off your parental control on your tv and switch to something other than CNN or MSDNC.

You may actually be enlightened.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.17  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.16    5 days ago
If facilities are short on masks, it's because of the use during this crisis, not because of normal use.

Is that statement supposed to be retaliatory bugs? 

No fucking kidding. That whole purpose of the Strategic National Stockpile is to address the FACT that we are not experiencing 'normal use'. Yet just yesterday they announce that they were 'releasing' more masks. WTF were they waiting for?   

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.18  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.17    5 days ago

No fucking kidding...

I don't play the liberal game of retaliation.

I deal with facts and real life experience.

Liberals deal with emotions.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.19  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.18    5 days ago

You pretend to have facts and 'real life experience' yet AGAIN failed to answer a simple question and as is your MO, instead post personal comments. 

Carry on... 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.20  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.19    4 days ago

So I guess you have the inside on what is happening throughout this country. What is your source that masks are NOT being released and facilities are NOT receiving more masks, huh Dulay? If you find something, make sure it is from a reputable source.,

BTFW, I have made no personal attack. If you are referring to the point I made about parental control, it was not an attack, it was a bit of friendly advice.

Carry on, Dulay...

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.21  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.20    4 days ago
If you find something, make sure it is from a reputable source.

Indiana State Representative Ryan Dvorak three hours ago: 

State Legislators had a conference call with hospital administrators from across Indiana today. The news is very grim, but important for everyone to know – please feel free to share this:
One hospital in a county with no positive cases is seeing a huge increase in respiratory illness, which is most likely attributable to COVID-19, but they are only ordering tests for 3-4 people a day, and results for those are taking over a week to get back now. They are nearly out of test swabs. 
Another hospital has over 40 patients under investigation, but has only sent out tests on a majority of them. Five cases are very suspicious, but they still don’t have test results back. They are limiting testing only to those in critical condition. Their PPE (masks, gloves, etc.) levels are very critical, with maybe two weeks left – and no source of resupply. They said not to believe that the federal government is helping. They only received 100 masks from the strategic reserve shipment.
Another small rural hospital is concerned about making payroll, and has no idea where revenue or resupplies will be coming from. It has closed satellite rural health clinics and is asking employees to take time off in the middle of this emergency to try to stay open.
A large urban provider says the peak patient time will be in six weeks, and they do not have enough beds or ventilators for that peak. They are already having discussions about how to ration ventilators and decide who will be able to get one. They have stopped surgeries in most surgery centers to open new COVID-19 wings. They are starting to get help from a private partner to test their employees, but their PPE is running out. They don’t know when they will get any PPE resupply. They have been told by manufacturers like 3M, that the manufacturers are being told to send their inventory to Seattle and New York. They say COVID-19 is much more contagious than SARS, MERS, or the flu, and at peak, the number of patients will lead to not enough beds being available to handle normal emergencies like heart attacks and strokes.
A mid-size rural provider is concerned that there is not enough PPE right now for home healthcare workers and nursing homes. They don’t believe any help from the federal government is coming, so they are trying to get local businesses set up to manufacture new PPE for them. They don’t have enough test kits, and no drive-thru testing is available in their area.
All of these hospitals are losing revenue dramatically. They are all running very low on PPE. They are trying to cut expenses to stay open. Employees are dropping off to quarantines, and those that are left are often struggling to find child care. The employees are also afraid.
We are working on help. At the state level that could be in the form of DSH (Disproportionate Share Hospital) payments, delay of Hospital Assessment fees and other payments to the state. They are also working with the Governor on administrative and regulatory actions that might help. But they are mainly hoping for Congress to come through with cash relief.
TLDR: The hospitals of Indiana do not have enough tests available to test even the sickest patients, they are running out of PPE with no known resupply, and they do not think they will have the resources to adequately handle the peak COVID-19 case load about six weeks from now. They are hemorrhaging cash, their employees are already having a very difficult time, and their ability to provide non-COVID-19 health care will be compromised. COVID-19 is incredibly infectious - If you are in contact with someone who has COVID-19 you will get it. They said they best way to have blunted the spread was to have started widespread testing and isolation two weeks ago, but that now it is probably too late.

I hold my State Representative as a VERY reliable source. That is only one of dozens of articles/posts that I have read from all over the country in the last week about PPE shortages. If you want to ignore all of the evidence, so be it. 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.22  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.21    4 days ago

The problem with your entire article was it had many "maybe's, could, might, etc". The article says hospitals are running out, but does not say they are out. It also says they do not have there sources to handle COVID six weeks from now. SIX WEEKS. How do they know how many cases they will have SIX WEEKS from now?

In the beginning of the article it says tests are taking 3-4 days to get results back. Don't they know there are tests out there that they can get results in as little as an hour?

Looks like your legislature has become victim to the "sky is falling" routine democrats want you to believe.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.23  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.22    3 days ago

I guess you missed this part bugs:

A mid-size rural provider is concerned that there is not enough PPE right now for home healthcare workers and nursing homes. They don’t believe any help from the federal government is coming, so they are trying to get local businesses set up to manufacture new PPE for them. They don’t have enough test kits, and no drive-thru testing is available in their area.

The 'article' is a Facebook post from my State Rep. based on his notes taken during the conference call with hospital administrators. 

How do they know how many cases they will have SIX WEEKS from now?

It's called modeling. There's software available to hospitals that helps them model the number of patients to expect. 

Don't they know there are tests out there that they can get results in as little as an hour?

Don't you know that every state is on it's own? While NYC and Chicago may have private labs stepping up to the plate, here in Indiana it doesn't seem to be happening. 

Looks like your legislature has become victim to the "sky is falling" routine democrats want you to believe.

I'll believe the information that my Rep. shared with ALL of his constituents over your 'real life experience' any day bugs.  

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.24  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    3 days ago

I guess you need someone to explain to you that he was hoping to AVID A PANIC like we're currently enduring.

Depends upon the type of people you hang out with. Off all the people I know, only one is actually panicking (and she often panics about things..maybe a bit more this time since she's in a high risk group...approaching 80 and has Diabetes).

But here's something to think about: if he dodn't downplay the seriousness from the beginning, while initially there would be less panic-- if hetold the truth many more people would have taken itmore seriously and taken steps to avoid it.

And now that cases are skyrocketing (and this has only just begun)... soon the situation will be much, much worse..and more people will panic!

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.25  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @3.1.12    3 days ago
I only do what I can to educate these folks

Your profound sense of humility is overwhelming! jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

/sarc

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.26  Raven Wing  replied to  Dulay @3.1.17    3 days ago
Yet just yesterday they announce that they were 'releasing' more masks.

However, according to the experts, the masks have all expired. Umm....how do masks expire I wonder? Are the treated with some anti-something that has a shelf life? Are they made of some kind of material that has a shelf life?

If so, then why are they releasing them anyway when it could put the wearers life at risk. Or....is their feelings toward those who would unknowingly wear them be the same as Rhett Butler in GWTW..."Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

That seems to be the motto coming from the WH in this pandemic, so I guess that makes it OK put put people's lives at risk just to look good.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.27  Raven Wing  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.26    3 days ago

Expired masks -

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-do-n95-face-masks-expire-still-work-2020-3

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.28  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.23    3 days ago

When you said the post was from Facebook, I stopped reading. You don't even know if that "Rep" really posted it.

Even if it is true, the rural hospital said "they believe" no help is coming. In other words...they are guessing.

It's OK...you can stop. You've lost.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.29  bugsy  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.27    3 days ago

I believe there is a CDC guideline that says to use expired masks. I will have to look it up to be sure.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.30  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.28    3 days ago
When you said the post was from Facebook, I stopped reading. You don't even know if that "Rep" really posted it.

Actually, I do. The same statement was posted on his official State Rep. website. 

Even if it is true, the rural hospital said "they believe" no help is coming. In other words...they are guessing.

No bugs, they said "They don’t believe any help from the federal government is coming" and from what I've seen and read, they have good reason to believe they have to fend for themselves. 

It's OK...you can stop. You've lost.

I always find it humorous when you or one of you fellow travelers claims victory, as if this is some kind of fucking game. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.26    3 days ago
 Umm....how do masks expire I wonder? Are the treated with some anti-something that has a shelf life? Are they made of some kind of material that has a shelf life?

Manufacturers set the expiration date. The masks are tested by the CDC's National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) for inhalation and exhalation resistance and filtration performance. The NIOSH does NOT 'approve' N95 masks that have exceeded their expiration date. 

But of course, their attitude is that 'they're better than nothing'. 

It's should be noted that many of the prior years 'recommendations' by the NIOSH have 'diappeared' from the CDC's website or have been 'updated' to reflect the lack of supply.  

The fact is, the Trump administration knew in 2017 that the SNS had N95 masks that were already YEARS past their expiration date, they did NOTHING about it. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.32  Raven Wing  replied to  Dulay @3.1.31    3 days ago
The fact is, the Trump administration knew in 2017 that the SNS had N95 masks that were already YEARS past their expiration date, they did NOTHING about it. 

Why spend taxpayer money on things that would be sorely needed in times such as the C-19 and people are dying and nurses and emergency crews on the front line are being exposed when he needed the money for his wall that Mexico is supposed to pay for was far more important more.   /s

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.33  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.31    3 days ago
The fact is, the Trump administration knew in 2017 that the SNS had N95 masks that were already YEARS past their expiration date, they did NOTHING about it. 

So by your "logic" (snicker), these dates APPROACHED and went OUT during the OBAMA years, but the OBAMA administration never did anything about it.

See how that works?

But......Trump...

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.34  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.33    3 days ago
So by your "logic" (snicker), these dates APPROACHED and went OUT during the OBAMA years, but the OBAMA administration never did anything about it.

This isn't about 'logic', it's about facts. The date is March 2020, NOT Jan. 2017.

Trump is responsible from the day he was inaugurated. Trump's DHS, HHS, CDC and NIH were ALL aware of the need to IMMEDIATELY restock. They could have procured new supplies and moved the dated supplies to the VA for more immediate use. 

Secondly, ALL of those Agencies were aware of the Pandemic playbook that cited the IMMEDIATE need to procure PPE supplies at the very beginning of an epidemic to supplement the SNS. 

Trump FAILED to do either. 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.35  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.34    2 days ago

Ah, yes...the "blame Trump for everything" defense. Classic deflection from the left.

I'm sure you probably blamed Bush for these masks APPROACHING AND SURPASSING the expiration dates during the Obama years. I can't seem to find any posts from you about that concern. Maybe you just forgot?. s/

Second, why did Obama use up these masks and not replenish them during the swine flu epidemic of 2009?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/los-angeles-times-and-bloomberg-news-federal-stockpile-of-n95-masks-was-depleted-under-obama-and-never-restocked

I'm sure that was Bush's fault too, huh.

How about liberals finally admit Obama was a fuck up and maybe you will start seeing Trump supporters be more critical of him.

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.36  lib50  replied to  bugsy @3.1.35    2 days ago

You know what?  For ONCE, speak to TRUMP'S actions and inactions.  Not Obamas. Not Bushs. Not Clinton.  THIS disaster.  HIS decisions.   HIS lies   HIS ignorance. 

Trump did fire relevant pandemic experts.

Trump did ignore the problem when it first began.  From China to the first case in Washington. He wasted months pretending his fake reality instead of listening to experts. Valuable time lost, and inactions have made supply shortage worse. People will die because of it.  The numbers are bigger because of that.

Trump confuses people when he does those briefings because he says things that are not based in facts very often.  He adds no pertinent information, experts should be driving these. 

Who the hell must be praised by every person briefing with him?  Why?  Watching people with their heads deep up Trump's ass is revolting.

 
 
 
lady in black
3.1.37  lady in black  replied to  lib50 @3.1.36    2 days ago

Here's today's briefing...stable genius

“Tom Brady is a great guy.”

“I talk about the Chinese virus. Yeah. I do. So what?”

“It was a great meeting. 1 person was a little tiny bit of a, big wise guy.”

“It was a terrific meeting.”

(...fake news rant)

Something about, “someone’s got it, but he’ll be fine because he’s a good friend of mine.”

Nobody has had a package like this. Nobody.

[Well no shit dumbass, Covid-19 DID. NOT. EXIST)]

“Pence will take questions...He’ll introduce some of the people”

“It’s nobody’s fault about the unemployment numbers because we didn’t let anyone in from China. I mean if we did, the numbers would be far greater. It’s not my fault.”

(Reporter asks a question about our troops)
“I don’t know. I don’t know anything about that. We have illegal trades. I don’t like steel.”

“China tells you numbers but like, we don’t know, what are the numbers.”

“Those restaurants will all come back in one way or another and it’ll be great.”

“The airlines you know..it’s labor and very strong powerful, uh stuff.”

(Reporter asks what he’s doing about Asian-American hatred during this time)
“I don’t know about that.”

I truly don’t think this guy has ever read a book. It’s sad. With all of the money he claims he has, he could have purchased a hell of a lot of books during his lifetime.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.38  MUVA  replied to  lady in black @3.1.37    2 days ago

You left out alot go back and watch again:)

 
 
 
lady in black
3.1.39  lady in black  replied to  MUVA @3.1.38    2 days ago

Once is enough, I can't stand to listen to the idiot talk...once again, he takes NO RESPONSIBILITY, great leader we have there don't we.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.40  MUVA  replied to  lady in black @3.1.39    2 days ago

I couldn't tell you didn't like him till right now and to answer you your question I'm not sure.He is doing the best he can which may or may not be the best that can be done.Stay healthy so you can continue your daily updates. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.41  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @3.1.39    2 days ago
he takes NO RESPONSIBILITY, great leader we have there don't we.

Hmmmm....   should he simply quote Hillary?

 "What difference, at this point, does it make??
 
 
 
lady in black
3.1.42  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.41    2 days ago

The old whataboutism comeback...she lives rent free in your head...this is 2020 and crooked donnie has made a mess of this country

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.43  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    2 days ago
If Obama had done what we have proof of Trump doing (downplaying a virulent, deadly, epidemic) these guys would be losing their minds. 

What?

Do you remember the Swine Flu?

"It wasn't until October 2009 that Obama called a national emergency over the virus. By then, the H1N1 virus had already infected millions of Americans and had killed 1000 already.

The swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus that appeared in 2009 and was first found in human beings in Mexico, is a reassortant with at least three parents. Six of the genes are closest in sequence to those of H1N2 'triple-reassortant' influenza viruses isolated from pigs in North America around 1999-2000.

In the end, it was estimated that approximately 60 million Americans contracted Swine Flu and more than 12,000 died from it."

thinkamericana.com/look-how-weak-obama-handled-h1n1-swine-flu-vs-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus/

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.44  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @3.1.42    2 days ago
she lives rent free in your head

That skank is a distant memory, only brought to the fore by some asswipes of the left.  But, when it surfaces, it's always so helpful in some regards.  Like my quote above DIRECTLY attributable to her skankiness.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.45  bugsy  replied to  lady in black @3.1.37    2 days ago

Must be kinda sad to take notes of a briefing from someone you hate so much.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.46  bugsy  replied to  lib50 @3.1.36    2 days ago
You know what?  For ONCE, speak to TRUMP'S actions and inactions.  Not Obamas. Not Bushs. Not Clinton.  THIS disaster.  HIS decisions.   HIS lies   HIS ignorance. 
If you have been paying attention over the years, you would have known that many Trump supporters have criticized him for many of his actions/inactions.
What you NEVER found was anyone from the left that supported "he who we do not criticize" and if you did you were called a racist.
Trump improved the economy to the point where even you had no excuse to not get a job.
The one thing I agree with you is that Trump should back off on the briefings and leave it to the experts, but unfortunately for liberals, he is the president and if he wants to be at the briefings, there is nothing you or I can do about it. Whining about is doesn't do anything, either.
 
 
 
lib50
3.1.47  lib50  replied to  bugsy @3.1.46    2 days ago
If you have been paying attention over the years, you would have known that many Trump supporters have criticized him for many of his actions/inactions.

Bwahahaha.  Sure   Not.

What you NEVER found was anyone from the left that supported "he who we do not criticize" and if you did you were called a racist.

His racism was his appeal, and you only need to watch the rallies and watch the reaction of the crowd when he blew the race dog whistles.  Don't tell us what we see and here isn't happening. Everyone let the racism go even before the stock market went up (continuing Obama's trajectory). Now how is that portfolio today?  Every single thing Trump has done wrong is denied or deflected from STILL. The racist policies are supported by Trumpers here too, btw, so nice try but no cigar. If one isn't racist and supports Trump there is a big disconnect somewhere.

I am heartened to hear you agree the briefings should focus on experts.  There is hope.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.48  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.35    2 days ago
Second, why did Obama use up these masks and not replenish them during the swine flu epidemic of 2009?

Well gee bugs, you answer you own question. The masks were used because of the swine flu epidemic of 2009. 

Secondly, what evidence do you have the the stockpile wasn't replenished? 

Thirdly, Trump was aware of the inventory and the condition of the supplies in 2017 why didn't HE replenish the stockpile with new supplies instead of trying to cut the budget? 

From your link:

Last month, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said that available supplies included just 12 million N95 masks and 30 million surgical masks, a tiny fraction of the 3.5 billion masks one of Azar’s deputies later testified the nation’s healthcare system would need.

Azar told Congress that the SNS had 35 million N95 masks just ONE MONTH ago. Do you have any evidence that Azar lied? 

 
 
 
JumpDrive
3.1.49  JumpDrive  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.41    2 days ago
Hmmmm....   should he simply quote Hillary?
 "What difference, at this point, does it make??

Another out-of-context irrelevant quote. Here's the actual context of the quote:

Senator Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, said: "We were misled that there were supposedly protests and then something sprang out of that, an assault sprang out of that."

Mrs Clinton replied with a raised voice: "But with all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans - was it because of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans."

Thumping the table four times, she added: "What difference, at this point, does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator."

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.50  bugsy  replied to  lib50 @3.1.47    2 days ago
His racism was his appeal, and you only need to watch the rallies and watch the reaction of the crowd when he blew the race dog whistles.

How about showing proof of that rant. Just because you hate a man because his name is not Hillary does not make him a racist.

It is unfortunate that blind hatred overrides any coherent thought.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.51  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.48    2 days ago
Well gee bugs, you answer you own question. The masks were used because of the swine flu epidemic of 2009.  Secondly, what evidence do you have the the stockpile wasn't replenished?

Well, let's see Dulay. You keep ranting that there are shortages of these masks, so obviously Obama failed to replenish them to prior swine flu numbers.

I don't know why Trump did not replenish the stock, Dulay, but it's nice to see you admit Obama was a fuckup by not replenishing masks to pre swine flu levels. He had 8 years to do it.....and failed.

There might be hope for you yet s/.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.52  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.51    yesterday
Well, let's see Dulay. You keep ranting that there are shortages of these masks, so obviously Obama failed to replenish them to prior swine flu numbers.

First of all, the CDC suggested inventory for the SNS of N95 masks is 18 million for a 3 month supply. Even if they are being used at double that amount, the 35 million that Azar said we had should have lasted until the middle of next month. 

There is NO evidence that the SNS have dispersed ALL of the N95 masks that they have stockpiled.

Nor is there any evidence that they have dispersed all of surgical masks, gowns and gloves that they have stockpiled. 

Nor is there any evidence that they have dispersed all of the ventilators that they have in the stockpile. 

Until that is established, there is only ONE place to look to a reason why there is a shortage of PPE and ventilators in this country. 

I don't know why Trump did not replenish the stock, Dulay, but it's nice to see you admit Obama was a fuckup by not replenishing masks to pre swine flu levels. He had 8 years to do it.....and failed.

You don't know if Obama did or did not replenish the stockpile. The content of the stockpile is confidential. When the US sends provisions to other countries, we do not itemize what was sent. We have no idea how many N95 masks were in the stockpile as of Jan. 2017. We have no idea how many were sent to other countries since then either. The ONLY way we have any clue of the current inventory now is Azar's statement to Congress, which was 35 million, NOT 12 million. 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.53  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.52    yesterday

I am not going into detail for your post, but here are some things that stood out.

Even if they are being used at double that amount, the 35 million that Azar said we had should have lasted until the middle of next month. 

Common sense will say they are being used more than twice the normal amount. That may explain why there is a shortage today.

There is NO evidence that the SNS have dispersed ALL of the N95 masks that they have stockpiled.

Nor is there any evidence that they have dispersed all of surgical masks, gowns and gloves that they have stockpiled. 

Nor is there any evidence that they have dispersed all of the ventilators that they have in the stockpile

Then what are you bitching about? First you say there is a shortage, I ask why the Obama admin did not restock to pre swine flu levels, and now you are saying there is no evidence the stocks have been depleted.. What I would like is for you to show me where I said any of the above are depleted. You can't because I didn't.

Until that is established, there is only ONE place to look to a reason why there is a shortage of PPE and ventilators in this country.

Wrong..There are 2 places to look. The Obama and the Trump admin. Both admins failed to re stock, if neither did. The problem is those on the left have a really, really hard time to admit Obama fucked up or even say he was not a perfect president..

The content of the stockpile is confidential.

Then you don't know if Trump replenished or not.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.54  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.53    yesterday
Common sense will say they are being used more than twice the normal amount. That may explain why there is a shortage today.

The shortages started long before today. 

Then what are you bitching about?

The shortage in PPE's for healthcare workers. Try to keep up. 

First you say there is a shortage, I ask why the Obama admin did not restock to pre swine flu levels, and now you are saying there is no evidence the stocks have been depleted..

The PPE don't do ANYBODY any good sitting in a fucking warehouse. 

What I would like is for you to show me where I said any of the above are depleted. You can't because I didn't.

I didn't say you did. The whole concept just seems to whoosh over your head. 

Wrong..There are 2 places to look.

Only if you can time travel and it would make a fucking difference if you did.

Trump is 'dolling out' supplies in dribs and drabs.

The SNS states that it can put together packets with specific supplies included and deliver them just about anywhere in the lower 48 in 24-36 hours. It's been WEEKS now that Governors all over the country have literally been BEGGING for help. 

Trump is deciding what state gets help based on their 'tone' toward him. Make nice with Trump or your people are fucked. It's a travesty.   

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.55  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.54    17 hours ago
The shortages started long before today. 

You're right...they did. As the article in 3.1.35 stated, the Obama admin never replenished stockpiles of PPE after the swine flu epidemic. I'll admit that they probably should have been replenished during the Trump admin, to make up for the Obama fuckup,  but Americans are sick and tired of liberals not taking responsibility for ANY of their fuckups, especially during the Obama years. Most libs blamed Bush for everything bad during the Obama years, and have now switched to trying to claim credit for all the good things Trump has done for ALL of Americans. Just take some fucking responsibility and the left may actually gain some credit some day.

The shortage in PPE's for healthcare workers. Try to keep up. 

I have relatives that work in a couple of the hospitals here in town and there are no shortages of anything, and yes, we are well prepared for a major increase in cases. I can't help it if left run cities decided to not be ready for something like this then blame the feds for not bailing them out quick enough.

The PPE don't do ANYBODY any good sitting in a fucking warehouse. 

That's true. Maybe you can tell Cuomo that there are several thousand ventilators in a warehouse that TRUMP had delivered to New York and apparently either no one knew about them or someone decided they wanted to hold onto them for someone's gain, maybe financially.

Trump is deciding what state gets help based on their 'tone' toward him. Make nice with Trump or your people are fucked. It's a travesty. 

Your opinion only, which means very little. The only governors that are whining are leftist governors that did not prepare for something like this. This should be a hard lesson for them to not rely on the federal government for these types of needs. Most other states are ready and prepared for what could be the worst.

I do, however, have to give you points for being persistent in a losing endeavor. The liberal radical playbook says to try and wear your opponent down no matter how much you have lost and this "conversation" is proof that some are good students.

What I will allow for, however, is for you to have the last word. Your rantings have begun to bore me, so I have decided to move on to more relevant opponents.

Good day...

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.56  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.55    10 hours ago
As the article in 3.1.35 stated, the Obama admin never replenished stockpiles of PPE after the swine flu epidemic.

What an equipment association is aware of is proof of nothing. As I said, the contents of the SNS is confidential and any contracts to supply it would be too. As someone who has worked for a VOSB that worked on government IT contracts, I can assure you that NO company would continue to receive a government contract if they violated the confidentiality provisions and they just might get prosecuted. 

In short, don't hang your hat on the association's proclamation since they have no fucking clue how many N95 masks the government bought for the SNS.  

I have relatives that work in a couple of the hospitals here in town and there are no shortages of anything, and yes, we are well prepared for a major increase in cases.

Is that what you meant by 'real life experience'? 

I can't help it if left run cities decided to not be ready for something like this then blame the feds for not bailing them out quick enough.

Right because COVID-19 only effects 'left run cities'. Got ya. 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/smaller-communities-prepare-onslaught-virus-132324092.html

Your opinion only, which means very little.

Asked what he wants from the governors during Friday's briefing, he said, “I want them to be appreciative . . . we've done a great job. . . . when they’re not appreciative to me, they’re not appreciative to the Army Corps, they’re not appreciative to FEMA.”

“I say, ‘Mike, don't call the governor of Washington, you’re wasting your time with him; don’t call the woman in Michigan—it doesn't make any difference what happens,’” Trump said during the briefing before mentioning that Pence is a “different type of person, he’ll call quietly anyway.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/03/27/trump-encourages-pence-to-ignore-democratic-governors-if-they-dont-treat-you-right-i-dont-call/#22bb0d3e5a45

I repeat, I always find it humorous when you or one of you fellow travelers claims victory, as if this is some kind of fucking game. 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.57  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.56    9 hours ago

Good God you are a persistent one. What does the radical book say about how long to keep a dead defense going?

As I said, the contents of the SNS is confidential and any contracts to supply it would be too.

Then you admit you pulled it out of your ass when you said the Trump admin did not replenish PPE stocks because you really don't know.

don't hang your hat on the association's proclamation since they have no fucking clue how many N95 masks the government bought for the SNS.  

So are you saying the LA Times and Bloomberg are lying, because these are the sources of this story. You can't really be saying that about far left wing publications, would you? Maybe you will lose your radical card because of it.

Is that what you meant by 'real life experience'? 

More than that...My wife works in a city run hospital as a nurse, I work in a short term inpatient rehab facility and my nephew works in a warehouse that supplies for different hospitals and other cities in the city. No shortages. All facilities have their complete orders filed.

Right because COVID-19 only effects 'left run cities'. Got ya. 

Another page from the radical handbook. Claim someone said something they never said, then try and argue that point. I said only left run cities are whining about not having enough supplies. They were not ready because they rely on the federal government to cover any needs they beg for.

Asked what he wants from the governors during Friday's briefing, he said, “I want them to be appreciative . . . we've done a great job. . . . when they’re not appreciative to me, they’re not appreciative to the Army Corps, they’re not appreciative to FEMA.”

“I say, ‘Mike, don't call the governor of Washington, you’re wasting your time with him; don’t call the woman in Michigan—it doesn't make any difference what happens,’” Trump said during the briefing before mentioning that Pence is a “different type of person, he’ll call quietly anyway.”

I find it hilarious when lib/progs claim the president lies almost 100 percent of the time, but when they think they can use something he says against him, all of a sudden he is telling the truth.

I repeat, I always find it humorous when you or one of you fellow travelers claims victory, as if this is some kind of fucking game. 

You can say it as many times as you like..Nobody gives a shit.

Again I say...

GOOD DAY!!!

 
 
 
WallyW
3.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

I would like ANYONE who takes issue with the content of this article to explain why Trump should be excused for downplaying the virus for many weeks. 

At this point....what difference does it make

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.1  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @3.2    3 days ago
At this point....what difference does it make

Meh!

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago
I would like ANYONE who takes issue with the content of this article to explain why Trump should be excused for downplaying the virus for many weeks. 

For the sake of discussion, let's assume it's true that he downplayed it. 

Realistically, would he have been able to make a bigger deal out of it to any useful degree? What steps could he have reasonably taken any sooner than he did? Consider whether or not there would have been bipartisan cooperation. When there was only a handful of cases, would it have been reasonable to shut everything down like we did this week? I don't think so.

When he restricted travel from China, and then from Europe, people said he was over reacting. Now, we see it's almost universally accepted wisdom because many states and other countries are doing the same kind of thing.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.3.1  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @3.3    3 days ago
Realistically, would he have been able to make a bigger deal out of it to any useful degree?

Yes, definitely.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @3.3.1    3 days ago
Yes, definitely.

Don't just say yes. Tell us how.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  author  JohnRussell    one week ago

Over 500 people in Italy are dying every day. There were close to 800 deaths from the virus in Italy just in the last 24 hours. 

The US is much larger population wise than Italy. What will our death toll be in 2 or 3 weeks? 

Unless something changes we could see one or two thousand people dying per day. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one week ago
The US is much larger population wise than Italy. What will our death toll be in 2 or 3 weeks?  Unless something changes we could see one or two thousand people dying per day. 

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Tacos!
4.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one week ago
Unless something changes we could see one or two thousand people dying per day. 

I think we have changed a lot, don't you?

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @4.2    3 days ago
I think we have changed a lot, don't you?

By "we" do you include Dear Leader and the people on the stage with him duribng the daily briefings?

Because they are standing close to each other...many in actual physical contact with each other....

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @4.2.1    3 days ago
By "we" do you include

I include the whole country.

Because they are standing close to each other...many in actual physical contact with each other....

Yes, they are. They maybe should avoid that. On the other hand, they aren't facing each other, so maybe they're at less risk. I am sure they have changed in other ways, though, don't you think? We all have made changes, but we all still do things we probably would prefer to avoid - like going to the market.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.2    3 days ago
Yes, they are. They maybe should avoid that.

Maybe?

MAYBE???

WTF??????

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.2.4  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @4.2.3    3 days ago

It'd be so cool if you said something that had actual content. Or maybe it wouldn't. Maybe.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.4    3 days ago

Ditto.

 
 
 
squiggy
4.3  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one week ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/thousands-attended-miami-gay-festival-several-later-tested-positive-coronavirus-n116149 

"Unless something changes we could see one or two thousand people dying per day. "

No shit - where might be a good start?

 
 
 
bccrane
4.4  bccrane  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one week ago

Who is the president of Italy?  Why is it I had to Google it to find out?

What's happening in Italy should have this man's name plastered all over the news, he should be vilified and condemned for what he allowed just like some are doing to Trump here.  I couldn't even find anything connecting his name and corvid19.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.1  Dulay  replied to  bccrane @4.4    3 days ago

Did you find videos of interviews where Italy's President insisted that he was doing a GREAT job, that they were going to be fine, that it was all China's fault? 

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.5  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one week ago
The US is much larger population wise than Italy. What will our death toll be in 2 or 3 weeks? 

The first confirmed case of Covid-19 in the USA was Jan 20th,  the first confirmed case in Italy was Jan 31.  So it arrived in the USA days before it hit Italy yet our death count is much less.  I would submit that the US has done a much better job of managing the virus and that your concern about the potential death toll is more fear mongering than concern.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.5.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Snuffy @4.5    one week ago
I would submit that the US has done a much better job of managing the virus and that your concern about the potential death toll is more fear mongering than concern.

Don't confuse them with actual facts Snuffy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  author  JohnRussell    one week ago

No one can defend what is seen in this video "calendar" . That is why we see personal lashing out at the seeder. 

 
 
 
lady in black
6  lady in black    one week ago

Here's more of him lying and claiming, no, it's NOT a pandemic, of course there will be excuse after excuse.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1  Dulay  replied to  lady in black @6    one week ago

Trump, March 4th:

"We have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better..."

As of today, the number of recovered in the US is 147. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @6.1    one week ago
As of today, the number of recovered in the US is 147. 

Wow that is very little with all the rampant cases spread threw out the US. I just bet Trump is hiding the fact that thousands on top of thousands have died and he is lying about it just to save his presidential legacy.....

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.2  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.1    one week ago
Wow that is very little with all the rampant cases spread threw out the US.

March 20 update:

  • Total cases: 15,219
  • Total deaths: 201

More deaths than recovered. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @6.1.2    one week ago
March 20 update:
  • Total cases: 15,219
  • Total deaths: 201
More deaths than recovered. 

Lmao, okay Dulay, and you talk about the willfully ignorant.

 
 
 
squiggy
6.1.4  squiggy  replied to  Dulay @6.1.2    one week ago

Recovered  147

Deaths       201

Where did the other 15k go? Purgatory?

SMMFGDCSH

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.5  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.3    one week ago

Those numbers are directly from the CDC. Are you claiming that the CDC are willfully ignorant? 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.6  Dulay  replied to  squiggy @6.1.4    one week ago
Where did the other 15k go? Purgatory?

No, quarantine or in the hospital. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @6.1    5 days ago
"We have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better..."

You do realize he was talking worldwide right? SMFH

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.7    5 days ago
You do realize he was talking worldwide right? SMFH

Nope. The 'we' he was talking about the US. Go listen to the Hannity phone call. 

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1.9  Krishna  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.1    3 days ago
Wow that is very little

Just bookmarked your comment. I will return in a week or two to further discuss your comment. 

(Or maybe I'll wait 'til just after Easter-- that's when it would make Trump happy to "see the churches filled with people"... or so he claimed.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.1.10  KDMichigan  replied to  Krishna @6.1.9    2 days ago
I will return in a week or two to further discuss your comment. 

please do. I think when the left wing 1st started it was 7% of the people getting COVID19 would die, then it was 4%, where will the doom and gloomers be at next week, better yet what are they selling tomorrow? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @6    one week ago
Here's more of him lying and claiming, no, it's NOT a pandemic

When he said that, it wasn't a pandemic. It's not a pandemic until the World Health Organization declares it to be a pandemic, and that didn't happen until March 11.

The other stuff he said is also not wrong. For example, most people who get it will get better. The course of these things is typically that a bunch of people do get sick and then it subsides, just as he described. But because he's trying to stay positive and point out that it's not all doom and despair, you call it lying?

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6.2    one week ago
When he said that, it wasn't a pandemic. It's not a pandemic until the World Health Organization declares it to be a pandemic, and that didn't happen until March 11.

Yet Trump said that he wasn't worried about it becoming a pandemic when ALL of the evidence points to the fact that Trump was told weeks before that it WOULD be a pandemic. 

The other stuff he said is also not wrong. For example, most people who get it will get better.

Trump said that 'we HAVE thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better'. THAT was not only WRONG, it was a LIE. PERIOD, full stop. 

The course of these things is typically that a bunch of people do get sick and then it subsides, just as he described.

Yet Trump and his minions said it was contained, that 'we' stopped it, that they were doing a GREAT JOB!. It wasn't, 'they' didn't and they haven't. 

But because he's trying to stay positive and point out that it's not all doom and despair, you call it lying?

I call it LYING because it is LYING.

Trump LIED about the tests, Trump LIED about being prepared, Trump LIED about the availability of PPE, Trump LIED about a vaccine, Trump LIED about an effective antiviral, Trump LIED and he is STILL LYING. 

 
 
 
lady in black
6.2.2  lady in black  replied to  Tacos! @6.2    one week ago

Excuse after excuse of him NOT taking it serious and spewing out, excusing the shitshow that is crooked donnie's presidency

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @6.2.1    one week ago
Yet Trump said that he wasn't worried about it becoming a pandemic

Doesn't matter. An emotion is neither a fact nor a prediction. It was not a pandemic until March 11 when WHO decided to call it a pandemic. Period. End of story. Why don't you look at the statements from CDC and WHO and call them liars? It would be just as silly.

THAT was not only WRONG, it was a LIE.

No it wasn't. People do get sick and then get better. He didn't give a specific number. He could have said "many" and it would have been as vague and just as true. Only a completely dishonest interpretation of it would claim otherwise.

Yet Trump and his minions said it was contained

At the time, that was the scientific thinking of many as well. The ease of community spread was not well understand in the early days of this. You want 100% full understanding at every step along the way. That is completely unrealistic. You disregard the basic facts just so you can slam Trump to no purpose.

Trump LIED about

Nope. He didn't lie about any of those things and you clearly cannot prove otherwise.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.4  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @6.2.2    one week ago
him NOT taking it serious

That's your opinion and that's all that it is. It's also pretty clearly rooted in an anti-Trump bias.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.3    one week ago

Trump says he knew it was a pandemic before everyone else did. 

So why was he being so sunny?

The only thing your analysis lacks is a grasp on reality.

Trump should put you on his White House communication team though. You are a tireless spinner. 

I think you'd even get a raise right away. 

 
 
 
lady in black
6.2.6  lady in black  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.4    one week ago

Nope, rooted in the truth, not in tds trump DENIAL syndrome...he denied it, and wished it away.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.5    one week ago
Trump says he knew it was a pandemic

So? Who cares? How does it affect you? And who knows what he knew? Are you The Amazing Kreskin now? You know for a fact what is in someone else's mind?

The only thing your analysis lacks is a grasp on reality.

Imagining that you can read Trump's mind is the fantasy.

Trump should put you on his White House communication team though. You are a tireless spinner.

CNN should put you on in prime time. You're a tireless Trump hater. You make Don Lemon look like a Republican.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.8  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @6.2.6    one week ago
he denied it, and wished it away

Wasn't everyone hoping it would go away? I don't think he denied it. He never said it didn't exist.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.7    one week ago
So? Who cares? How does it affect you? And who knows what he knew? Are you The Amazing Kreskin now? You know for a fact what is in someone else's mind?

Are we seriously back to this shit again? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.9    one week ago

Hey don't get mad at me just because I don't pee my pants and pull out my hair every time The Donald speaks. I can roll my eyes at him or disagree with the way he phrases something, but that doesn't make it this big crisis that you're making it out to be. You're trying to make mountains out of molehills. I'm just pointing it out.

 
 
 
WallyW
6.2.11  WallyW  replied to  Dulay @6.2.1    one week ago

Trump LIED about the tests, Trump LIED about being prepared, Trump LIED about the availability of PPE, Trump LIED about a vaccine, Trump LIED about an effective antiviral, Trump LIED and he is STILL LYING. 

That whole paragraph is a lie.

 
 
 
lady in black
6.2.12  lady in black  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.8    one week ago

Spin away....he does not inspire confidence

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.13  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @6.2.12    one week ago
Spin away

That's the thing. I'm not spinning anything. I don't care enough to spin. I'm not a fan. I just not freaked out by every thing he does and says.

he does not inspire confidence

What would? Lighting his hair on fire? That seems to be what you expect. 

When he said he thought we would contain it, that didn't sound confident to you? Repeatedly saying we will get through it doesn't inspire confidence? Appearing every day with a team of experts fighting the thing doesn't inspire confidence? What exactly do you expect? What would "confidence" from Trump or any president look like?

He did restrict travel from China early on. He was criticized for it and accused of over reacting. He did the same thing to Europe. That too, was seen as extreme. How exactly does that square with your accusation of him downplaying it?

Honestly, this seems like a contradiction. You accuse him of ignoring it, downplaying it, and simultaneously you see a lack of confidence. It really seems like there is nothing about this you are willing to try to see as positive - or at minimum, the best anyone could reasonably expect.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.14  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.10    one week ago

NT rules prevent me from answering you the way I would prefer. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.15  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.14    one week ago
NT rules prevent me from answering you the way I would prefer. 

That says more about you than it does about me or the rules. Why don't you consider that?

All I am doing is expressing my opinion on the issues. You want it to be personal. It doesn't need to be.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.2.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  lady in black @6.2.12    one week ago

He doesn’t need to. it’s still amazes me that people don’t believe him thinks what he says matters. It doesn’t affect me. Unlike our  douche bag governor.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.17  Dulay  replied to  WallyW @6.2.11    one week ago
That whole paragraph is a lie.

That whole sentence is delusional. 

 
 
 
lady in black
6.2.18  lady in black  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.2.16    one week ago

Which governor would that be?

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.19  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.3    one week ago
Doesn't matter. An emotion is neither a fact nor a prediction.

Bullshit. On Jan 22,Trump was asked "Are there worries about a pandemic?" Trump said "NO, not at all. We have it totally under control." 

THAT was not an expression of an EMOTION, that was a STATEMENT of "FACT". Trump had already  been briefed that there WAS a TON of worries about a pandemic. 

It was not a pandemic until March 11 when WHO decided to call it a pandemic. Period. End of story.

WTF is your point? The first case in the US was Jan. 21st. and pm Jan. 30 the WHO declared it a "health emergency of international concern". Are you positing that even though governors and health departments and doctors and nurses and most of the rest of the American people's hair was on fire for over a month that Trump was justified in whistling past the grave yard until the middle of March? 

Why don't you look at the statements from CDC

At this juncture, I wouldn't trust Trump's CDC with a paper cut. 

and WHO and call them liars?

As I stated, Trump ignored the WHO. 

No it wasn't. People do get sick and then get better. He didn't give a specific number. He could have said "many" and it would have been as vague and just as true. 

Yes it was. Trump DID give a 'range' of how many people had recovered. Trump LIED. Only a completely dishonest interpretation of it would claim otherwise.

At the time, that was the scientific thinking of many as well. The ease of community spread was not well understand in the early days of this.

Bullshit. How the fuck do you think all of those people in China got it? 

You want 100% full understanding at every step along the way. That is completely unrealistic.

Tell that to Trump, he insists that a malaria medication will work...

 You disregard the basic facts just so you can slam Trump to no purpose.

Which 'basic facts' are you claiming that I am disregarding? Be specific. 

Nope. He didn't lie about any of those things and you clearly cannot prove otherwise.

Seriously Tacos!, that's an obtuse statement. 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.20  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.13    one week ago
When he said he thought we would contain it, that didn't sound confident to you?

AGAIN, Trump made a statement, he didn't make a prediction or express an emotion. He stated, multiple times that it was contained. Just stop. 

Repeatedly saying we will get through it doesn't inspire confidence?

It's only been 10 days since Trump finally admitted that there was ANYTHING to 'get through'. Before that is 'it will be fine' or 'we are doing GREAT!', 'it will be gone by April' and on and on with his delusional bullshit. 

Appearing every day with a team of experts fighting the thing doesn't inspire confidence?

Have you WATCHED his rambling, babbling mendacity? Dr. Fauci says it's 'anecdotal', Trump says he's a smart guy and has 'feeling' that it's going to work or maybe not. 

Ya, that instills a TON of confidence. /s

What exactly do you expect? What would "confidence" from Trump or any president look like?

Truth, facts, cogent decisiveness, not passing the buck and taking responsibility for ones actions. 

He did restrict travel from China early on. 

After that, for WEEKS, NADA except bloviation and mendacity. 

 He did the same thing to Europe. That too, was seen as extreme.

What was seen as extreme was his disaster of a WH address that scared the shit out of every American overseas, cause a mass exodus for NO FUCKING reason, and freaked out our trading partners because Trump and his minions utterly fucked up a WRITTEN speech. 

How exactly does that square with your accusation of him downplaying it?

He downplayed it until he tried to pretend that it's always been an emergency. Trump tried to go from being Hoover to being FDR. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.21  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @6.2.20    one week ago

People WANT to have faith in their national leader during a time of crisis. That explains whatever popularity Trump has during all this. It makes a lot of people feel better to get behind the president. 

I hope he succeeds in ending the health crisis too. But I'm not going to falsely praise him for anything. He wants all the credit if things go well and none of the blame if they dont.  To hell with this guy. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.22  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @6.2.19    one week ago
The first case in the US was Jan. 21st. and pm Jan. 30 the WHO declared it a "health emergency of international concern". Are you positing that even though governors and health departments and doctors and nurses and most of the rest of the American people's hair was on fire for over a month that Trump was justified in whistling past the grave yard until the middle of March?

Yep. And Trump declared a public health emergency on January 31.

Trump administration declares coronavirus emergency, orders first quarantine in 50 years

The Donald Trump administration declared the coronavirus outbreak  to be a public health emergency in the United States on Friday, setting  quarantines of Americans who have recently been to certain parts of China .

You wanna call that whistling past whatever, you go right ahead, but that's . . . what's that big word you used? Oh yeah . . . 

Bullshit.

Let's have a look at your imaginary accusation (seriously, stop watching cable news. It'll rot your brain)

On Jan 22,Trump was asked "Are there worries about a pandemic?" Trump said "NO, not at all. We have it totally under control."  THAT was not an expression of an EMOTION, that was a STATEMENT of "FACT". Trump had already  been briefed that there WAS a TON of worries about a pandemic. 

I wasn't aware you were present at Trump's briefings. Were they serving snacks? 

Anyway, here's another fact from the same story (published on January 31, btw):

"The risk of infection for Americans remains low," said Alex Azar, secretary of Health and Human Services and chairman of the coronavirus task force set up by Trump. "We are working to keep the risk low." Azar described the new entry rules and quarantines as "prudent, targeted, and temporary."

"Risk of infection . . . remains low" doesn't sound like pandemic talk to me. Neither do words like "targeted" or "temporary." You know what those words mean, right? They have more syllables than "bullshit."

I wouldn't trust Trump's CDC

Oh God. The CDC is crooked, now? jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif  That idea is:

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Trump ignored the WHO

Sure doesn't look that way considering the actions taken in January.

Me: The ease of community spread was not well understand in the early days of this. You: Bullshit. How the fuck do you think all of those people in China got it? 

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You're missing the point, maybe. When people here were getting it and they hadn't just come from China, it surprised people.

Four new coronavirus cases in Pacific Northwest suggest community spread of the disease

T he new coronavirus may be spreading in parts of the Pacific Northwest, with California, Oregon, and Washington State reporting Friday that they have diagnosed cases with no travel history or known contact with another case.

Health officials in Santa Clara County reported a case of so-called community spread late Friday afternoon — the second in the northern part of the state in the past few days.

These cases raise the specter that the virus may be spreading stealthily  in the Pacific Northwest region of the country.

At the 'front lines' of coronavirus, Seattle scrambles to contain outbreak

"It must have been a fluke," the resident of Kirkland, Washington, said Wednesday. "It would have been better if we knew in advance," Seattle resident Renne Adams said. "This has been around for a month, and nobody said anything."

Before that, many believed/hoped that we would be able to keep the virus limited to people who had traveled to China or come in close contact with those people. It was at this time that we first saw infected people with no apparent connection to those travelers.

Tell that to Trump, he insists that a malaria medication will work...

It might. There are multiple studies pursuing that very idea right now. Have you not heard about this? So far, the results are very encouraging, but anecdotal in that it wasn't a bling or double blind study. More work remains to be done, but yes, the malaria medication might actually work for some people.

Doctors Turn to Malaria Drugs as Potential Coronavirus Treatment

Seriously Tacos!, that's an obtuse statement.

What is an "obtuse statement?" Can an obtuse statement come from a person who is not obtuse? Is this your way of insulting me while trying to go around the Code of Conduct? Sure looks that way. Pretty lame.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.23  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @6.2.20    one week ago
Truth, facts,

You've been getting that. Pick up a paper. Watch a press conference. Stop watching MSNBC. 

cogent decisiveness . . . passing the buck

That's pretty vague. Can you clarify that?

taking responsibility for ones actions

For example? Also, why is it so important to take responsibility for something right this minute? So you can see him suffer? Wouldn't you rather he work on the problem?

NADA

You clearly aren't following the developments or you wouldn't say that.

What was seen as extreme

So you're just going to ignore the steps he took that I pointed out to you. That says a lot.

He downplayed it

What does that mean specifically? How should it have been played specifically? 

Be specific.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.24  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.22    one week ago
What is an "obtuse statement?" Can an obtuse statement come from a person who is not obtuse? Is this your way of insulting me while trying to go around the Code of Conduct? Sure looks that way. Pretty lame.

Members are allowed to give their opinion of and characterize comments. 

Why would anyone want to insult you anyway? 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.25  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.22    one week ago
I wasn't aware you were present at Trump's briefings. Were they serving snacks? 

No, I READ articles from multiple sources every day. You should try it. 

"Risk of infection . . . remains low" doesn't sound like pandemic talk to me. Neither do words like "targeted" or "temporary." You know what those words mean, right? They have more syllables than "bullshit."

So the RESULTS are irrelevant? Trump's sycophants spew bullshit just like he does. 

Closing the barn door after the horse is too fucking little, too fucking late. Azar doesn't know WTF he was talking about. At that time we had NO idea how many cases existed in the US and we STILL don't. 

Oh God. The CDC is crooked, now? jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif  That idea is:

Really? I thought that you said that I should look at the statements by the CDC. Unsurprisingly, I HAVE and I have watched the devolution in the CDC's 'guidelines' for Healthcare workers treating COVID-19 patients. in a couple of weeks CDC went from 'MUST wear full PPE including fitted N95 respirators" to 'use a bandana'. CDC's credibility is SHOT and they are putting hundreds of thousands of health care professionals at risk. 

Again, I'll ask: How the hell did we go through 35 million N95 masks in 23 days? I really should add the 5 million that the Pentagon said that they were releasing. 

You're missing the point, maybe. When people here were getting it and they hadn't just come from China, it surprised people.

I have to wonder WHO would be surprised that an infectious disease would be spread communicably. 

Before that, many believed/hoped that we would be able to keep the virus limited to people who had traveled to China or come in close contact with those people. It was at this time that we first saw infected people with no apparent connection to those travelers.

I don't know who these 'they' are that you speak of. They were seeing community spread all over China and WHO and Fauci et al knew about it and told the Congress as much. Do you think that Trump made America so great that we are immune to infectious diseases now? 

It might. There are multiple studies pursuing that very idea right now. Have you not heard about this? So far, the results are very encouraging, but anecdotal in that it wasn't a bling or double blind study. More work remains to be done, but yes, the malaria medication might actually work for some people.

Doubtful. Not only have I heard about it, I read the analysis of the very limited Chinese study. The BIGGEST issue for any kind of study is the fact that the dosage is VERY tricky and that even a 1/2 mg overdose can be deadly and or cause permanent heart damage. As with all too many of the 'remedies' offered by PHARMA, the cure could be worse than the disease. 

What is an "obtuse statement?"

The comment I replied to. 

Can an obtuse statement come from a person who is not obtuse?

Yes. 

Is this your way of insulting me while trying to go around the Code of Conduct? Sure looks that way. Pretty lame.

How does stating that your statement is obtuse violate the CoC Tacos!? Be specific. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.26  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.22    one week ago
The Donald Trump administration declared the coronavirus outbreak  to be a public health emergency in the United States on Friday, setting  quarantines of Americans who have recently been to certain parts of China .

March 6

Associated Press

ATLANTA (AP) — President Donald Trump's visit to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday turned into a scattershot defense of his administration's handling of the growing coronavirus crisis, veering into political digs and detours.

Trump, wearing his “Keep America Great" campaign hat while discussing the global worry, tried once more to quell growing alarm about the spread of the virus in America. But he quickly ventured into side matters and political squabbles.

Trump called Washington state's governor a “snake.” He said he'd prefer that people exposed to the virus on a cruise ship be left aboard so they wouldn't be added to the count for the nation's total number of infections.

The president touted the accuracy of the test to detect the coronavirus, which members of his administration have acknowledged is not available to all who wants it, declaring it was “perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. This was not as perfect as that, but pretty good.”

Trump was referring to the rough transcript of his July call with Ukraine's president, which prompted a whistleblower complaint that led to his impeachment. Trump, who was acquitted by the Senate last month, has insisted he did nothing wrong.

Trump said his trip to the CDC had been canceled earlier over concern about a possible infection there, but that person tested negative. The visit was rescheduled for Friday afternoon.

“Be calm. It will go away," Trump told reporters earlier at the White House after signing a $8.3 billion coronavirus response funding bill at the White House.

“We have very low numbers compared to major countries throughout the world. Our numbers are lower than just about anybody," Trump said about cases of the virus, which have rocked financial markets, interrupted travel and threaten to affect everyday life in the United States.

But his messaging was more haphazard at the Atlanta-based CDC. Despite calling this week for bipartisanship during the crisis, he said he told Vice President Mike Pence not to be complimentary during his Thursday meeting with Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington, where more than a dozen people have died, because “he is a snake.”

“Let me just tell you we have a lot of problems with the governor and, that's where you have many of your problems, OK?" Trump said. “So Mike may be happy with him but I'm not, OK?”

So far, 14 people have died in the United States. Trump downplayed concern that the country was not ready to respond to an outbreak.

Trump also said he talked on the phone with California Gov. Gavin Newsom about the 3,500 people stuck on a cruise ship anchored off the coast of California. Trump, at the CDC, advocated for the passengers to remain on the ship — in part so they would not count against the total number of victims in the United States. He did say he would defer to the medical experts.

The legislation Trump signed at the White House provides federal public health agencies with money for vaccines, tests and potential treatments and helps state and local governments prepare and respond to the threat.

"It's an unforeseen problem," Trump said about the virus. “It came out of nowhere. We're taking care of it.”

The president, while touring the CDC, also boasted about his ability to understand the virus, even though he has repeatedly misstated how long it would take for a vaccine to be developed and available.

“You know my Uncle was a great — he was at MIT. He taught at MIT for a record number of years. He was a great super genius, Dr. John Trump," the president said. “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. ... Maybe I have a natural ability.”

https://whnt.com/news/coronavirus/trump-at-cdc-offers-scattershot-defense-of-virus-response/

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On March 6th , Trump went to the CDC and disgraced his office and his country. 

You spend an inordinate amount of time on this forum defending the indefensible. 

You are making the argument that Trump became serious about the virus when he declared an emergency at the end of January. 

So why was he playing the fool at the CDC five weeks later?

Why did he say he would like the cruise ship victims to stay at sea so their presence on the mainland wouldnt drive up the head count of sick Americans? 

Fuck that fool. 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.27  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.23    one week ago
You've been getting that.

Bullshit. 

Pick up a paper.

I READ two local papers every day. 

Watch a press conference.

I have. It's excruciating. 

Stop watching MSNBC. 

Stop presuming. 

That's pretty vague. Can you clarify that?

Trump:

“When you say me, I didn’t do it,” Trump scoffed. “I mean, you say we did that. I don’t know anything about it.”

Oh and he gives himself a 10 of course...

For example?

I've given you plenty of examples already. 

Also, why is it so important to take responsibility for something right this minute?

I have been watching Governor Cuomo's press conferences every day this week. They are informative, to the point, fact based and personal. Today Governor Cuomo told everyone that wanted to complain about the edicts and restrictions, blame him. He took full responsibility for his actions. THAT is leadership. 

So you can see him suffer?

There you go again assuming that Trump has a conscience. 

Wouldn't you rather he work on the problem?

Sure, when do you think he'll start? 

You clearly aren't following the developments or you wouldn't say that.

I have posted information based on the actual developments, you've posted 'feelings' about what Trump and his sycophants TELL you are the developments.  

So you're just going to ignore the steps he took that I pointed out to you. That says a lot.

What's says a lot is you being placated by an act in January and then one in March which may have slowed shit down but sure as hell didn't 'control' a fucking thing. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

What does that mean specifically? How should it have been played specifically?  Be specific.

It shouldn't have been 'played' at all. 

BTW, why do you have the need to truncate all of my comments in your block quotes? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.28  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.24    one week ago
Members are allowed to give their opinion of and characterize comments.

Of course. And I'm allowed to ask them to clarify the meaning of those comments.

Why would anyone want to insult you anyway? 

Why indeed.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.29  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @6.2.25    one week ago
So the RESULTS are irrelevant?

When the topic is what people were thinking, saying, and doing over a specific time period? Yes. Results were not the topic. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you want to forget that.

CDC's credibility is SHOT

With you? Who cares?

How the hell did we go through 35 million N95 masks in 23 days?

Changing the topic again.

I have to wonder WHO would be surprised that an infectious disease would be spread communicably.

Lots of people. I linked you to a story about the surprise. Now it's like you want to deny it exists. There was an effort to quarantine infected people so it wouldn't spread into the community. Surprisingly, new patients appeared who had no apparent connection to the quarantined patients.

As with all too many of the 'remedies' offered by PHARMA, the cure could be worse than the disease. 

So? What would you have us do? Not investigate it? You presented this topic as if Trump had pulled some insane, unreasonable notion out of his ass. He didn't. This came from doctors actually using the drug on real patients and achieving good results. It should be investigated further and people are doing it. It's a real, legitimate thing. Stop pretending it isn't.

What is an "obtuse statement?"
The comment I replied to.

How is the comment obtuse? And how do you separate that from the person who made the comment?

How does stating that your statement is obtuse violate the CoC Tacos!? Be specific.

I never claimed it did. I'm not surprised you missed that fact. I asked a question. I didn't make an accusation. If you don't want to admit to anything like that, that's fine.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.30  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.26    one week ago
serious about the virus

What does that mean? You keep complaining that he wasn't serious or he downplayed or whatever, but you can't define what the perfect behavior would have been, so we have nothing to go on.

You post emotions. I post facts and you call it spin. You haven't given me, or anyone else, something specific to be upset about. You just look at something ordinary and declare "outrageous!" and we're all just supposed to accept it. I'm not going to be outraged just because you say I should be.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.31  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @6.2.27    one week ago
Bullshit

There's a clever argument! I concede! You win! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

I READ two local papers every day.

ProTip: You want to read them before you put them in the bottom of the bird cage.

That's pretty vague. Can you clarify that? Trump:

That's exactly the point I have been making. You think you can just yell "Trump" and it's some kind of proof that we should all be outraged just like you.

I have been watching Governor Cuomo's press conferences every day this week. They are informative, to the point, fact based and personal.

That's awesome. I am glad to hear it. If you want to make the case that you prefer Cuomo to Trump, that's fine. I don't have a problem with that, but it's not the topic. 

By the way, Cuomo took a second to praise Trump's performance during the crisis. It doesn't need to be a grade of 100% every day, but at least he has the grace and maturity to give praise where it has been earned and doesn't seek to indiscriminately trash someone 24/7 the way you do with Trump. Or maybe you think Cuomo has lost his mind?

N.Y. Gov. Cuomo: President Trump Is "Fully Engaged" On Coronavirus Crisis; "Very Creative And Energetic"

Cuomo said Trump was doing a "really good job"

That's high praise from your beloved governor. Kinda makes want to pull your hair out I bet.

There you go again assuming that Trump has a conscience.

My comment was not concerning Trump. It was about what drives your need to be critical of everything he does and refuse to acknowledge when he might be doing the right thing.

Sure, when do you think he'll start? 

The fact that you can say that just proves you aren't serious on this matter.

What's says a lot is you being placated by an act in January

I have no need to be placated. I'm not the one complaining endlessly. That person is you. All the act in January does is completely destroy the assertion that he wasn't taking this seriously at all at that time.

It shouldn't have been 'played' at all.

So, you were asked a question, asked to be specific and all you have is this non-response.

BTW, why do you have the need to truncate all of my comments in your block quotes?

I despise walls of texts, so I quote only what I think is necessary so you know what I am referring to.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.32  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.29    one week ago
When the topic is what people were thinking, saying, and doing over a specific time period? Yes. Results were not the topic. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you want to forget that.

The topic of what we are talking about is what Trump is SAYING. If you've fucking forgotten, he is supposed to be the leader of the free world. YOU seem to have forgottne that. 

With you?

Yes. 

Who cares?

Me. 

Changing the topic again.

The topic is Trump's coronavirus actions. Are you positing that the availability of PPE isn't part of that?

Oh wait. You're not answering questions today are you?

Lots of people. I linked you to a story about the surprise. Now it's like you want to deny it exists. There was an effort to quarantine infected people so it wouldn't spread into the community. Surprisingly, new patients appeared who had no apparent connection to the quarantined patients.

You mean the link that states:

The discovery that the virus may be spreading in the country should not come as a surprise, said Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy.

That link Tacos!? 

So? What would you have us do? Not investigate it? You presented this topic as if Trump had pulled some insane, unreasonable notion out of his ass. He didn't. This came from doctors actually using the drug on real patients and achieving good results. It should be investigated further and people are doing it. It's a real, legitimate thing. Stop pretending it isn't.

Stop pretending that you know WTF you are talking about. 

BTFW, this is what Fauci said at the news conference that you pretend to be current on: 

"The answer is no, and the evidence that you're talking about ... is anecdotal evidence." "We're trying to strike a balance between making something with a potential of an effect to the American people available, at the same time that we do it under the auspices of a protocol that would give us information to determine if it's truly safe and truly effective," Fauci said. "But the information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal, it was not done in a controlled clinical trial. So you really can't make any definitive statement about it."

When the topic is an infectious disease, WHO do you believe, Trump or Fauci? 

Oh wait. You always believe Trump...

How is the comment obtuse?

That question is obtuse. 

And how do you separate that from the person who made the comment?

The same way the CoC does. 

I never claimed it did.

Really? Who said this? 

Is this your way of insulting me while trying to go around the Code of Conduct? Sure looks that way. Pretty lame. I'm not surprised you missed that fact. I asked a question. I didn't make an accusation. If you don't want to admit to anything like that, that's fine.

"Sure looks that way" isn't a fucking question, it's a 'lame' accusation. Well done. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
6.2.33  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  lady in black @6.2.2    one week ago
excusing the shitshow that is crooked donnie's presidency

Dumbfuckery abounds.

 
 
 
lady in black
6.2.34  lady in black  replied to  Dulay @6.2.32    one week ago

Doncha know crooked donnie (has a hunch) knows more than Dr. Fauci

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.35  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.30    one week ago

Your point of view is hopeless. I may put you on ignore. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.36  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.30    one week ago
What does that mean? You keep complaining that he wasn't serious or he downplayed or whatever, but you can't define what the perfect behavior would have been, so we have nothing to go on.

Trump's entire performance at the CDC is unacceptable. 

His berating and arguing with reporters is unacceptable. His blaming Democrats is unacceptable. His publicly calling the governor of a state a "snake" is unacceptable. 

You think Trump should be "allowed" to do or say whatever he wants as long as someone somewhere can somehow rationalize it. 

Defense of Trump is largely post- truth, or you might say post-modern, in the sense that "truth is in the eye of the beholder" , which is one description of post-modernism. 

If we do not hold the president to standards of words and behavior it will erode the moral and societal authority , and the leadership capability, of the presidency .

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.37  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.36    one week ago

Hey, if you want to say that Trump is narcissistic and rude, I won't dispute that. But that's not what your seed is about.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.38  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.35    one week ago

Do as you will. I can't stop you. But you'd be ignoring me because I disagree with you on an issue, not because I was rude to you. If that's how you want to roll, go for it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.39  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.38    one week ago

People who say that Trump's behavior does not concern them or matter to them are doing a great disservice to this country. 

And now you want this utter farce for four more years?  It is absurd. 

What has Trump done that is so great?

His policies appeal to conservatives and those on the right. So that is the audience for them. 

I dont buy the nonsense that the economy would have crashed if Clinton or Ted Cruz had become president, the idea that only Trump could have had a successful economy. It is laughable. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.2.40  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.39    one week ago
What has Trump done that is so great?

securing our border and putting a boot to all the globalist bs was high on the list of reasons he was elected.

what would little miss "what difference does it make" have done?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.41  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.39    one week ago
His policies appeal to conservatives and those on the right. So that is the audience for them. 

And the business community, and the people who have gained a job thanks to his policies, and the people who have seen wage gains thanks to what he and business have accomplished.

I could go on, but you refuse to hear or acknowledge anything positive about President Trump and his administration.

If it's not vitriolic diatribes against Trump, in your mind it's useless.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.42  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6.2.40    one week ago
securing our border and putting a boot to all the globalist bs was high on the list of reasons he was elected.

Yet Trump has done neither. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.2.43  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @6.2.42    one week ago
Yet Trump has done neither.

try again.....

right now illegals are being punted straight back across the border without the time to even catch their breaths.

little miss "what difference does it make" would have done what?

had the left supported a sovereign country and secure borders he could have done a lot more.

it's not trumps fault the left wants illegals here, sued trumps admin to stop the wall from being built.

now and well into the future:  open border policy = unelectable candidates

any lack of securing our border by trump is because of the left's "resistance".   aka:  traitors.

people will remember that next election = count on it.


the free movement of people around the globe, borders be damned?  a super fuking bad idea brought to us by the left

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.44  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.39    one week ago
People who say that Trump's behavior does not concern them or matter to them

Let me know when you run into someone like that. I would imagine that is someone who isn't at all interested in politics anyway. That doesn't describe anyone here.

What has Trump done that is so great?

Pretty sure that's not what your seed is about. That sounds like a different conversation.

I dont buy the nonsense that the economy would have crashed if Clinton or Ted Cruz had become president, the idea that only Trump could have had a successful economy.

I never said anything like that and it seems unconnected to your seed, so I don't understand why you are bringing it up.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.45  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6.2.43    one week ago
right now illegals are being punted straight back across the border without the time to even catch their breaths.

Are you so delusional that you actually think that EVERY person that attempts to cross the border is met by CBP? There are hundreds of miles of open border, north and south. 

Oh and BTFW, since this seed is about Trump's coronavirus actions, perhaps it would help to recognize that there are still flights coming in from Mexico and Canada and viruses come with them. So it looks like Trump isn't taking action to keep our 'border' closed to those countries. 

 
 
 
lady in black
7  lady in black    one week ago

And of course he's still spewing bullchit and acting like a fucking ignorant asshole, once again proving it's all about HIM and LOOK at ME, LOOK at ME

President Trump is busy conspiracy theorizing during a international crisis.

In a press conference Friday   outlining several new actions   the U.S. government is taking during the new coronavirus spread, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the leader of the State Department, took the lectern. "Or as they like to call it, the Deep State Department," Trump said before Pompeo stepped up.

Pompeo, who tends to agree with Trump's far-right tendencies, seemed to take no issue with the term that connotes the U.S. government is actually run by shady political forces behind the scenes. But Dr. Anthony Fauci, Trump's top coronavirus adviser, rejected his own advice and put his head in his hand after the president threw out the comment.

https://news.yahoo.com/top-coronavirus-doctor-puts-head-174500946.html

7fa618dd22923d05b1d9728ff1588e38

 
 
 
lady in black
8  lady in black    one week ago

Stable genius:

Trump suggested health care workers sanitize and reuse masks when treating coronavirus patients, rather than "throwing away" masks that are in short supply. "I have to tell you, the throwing away of the masks, being in private business, the throwing away of the mask right away, they're throwing it away," Trump said during today's White House coronavirus briefing. The guy who literally knows nothing about science and viruses and pandemics and professional healthcare telling everybody what they should do. This is what is helping spread the virus not contain it. STOP him. Please somebody with a brain in the White House STOP him. It's not treason to stop or contradict a mentally incompetent person.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  lady in black @8    one week ago
The guy who literally knows nothing about science and viruses and pandemics and professional healthcare telling everybody what they should do.

about an hour ago, I just watched an attempt to trap two doctors into saying reusing masks was a bad idea, (on fox news)  

when asked "how do you feel about trump saying to reuse masks?

  they agreed with trump.     they said and I quote:

"you don't use peacetime protocol during a war."

it was obvious she did not like that answer... LOL

I will post the interview once I can find it online.

 

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.2  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @8    one week ago
Trump suggested health care workers sanitize and reuse masks when treating coronavirus patients, rather than "throwing away" masks that are in short supply.

Yep. That's exactly what they're doing at some hospitals.

As Coronavirus Looms, Mask Shortage Gives Rise to Startling Solution

Facing a dire shortage of protective face masks for health care workers, administrators at the University of Nebraska Medical Center decided they had no choice. Masks are certified for one-time use only. But on Thursday, the center began an experimental procedure to decontaminate its masks with ultraviolet light and reuse them. Administrators plan to use each mask for a week or longer.

OAKLAND HOSPITAL TOOK IN CORONAVIRUS CRUISE PATIENTS. NOW, LOW ON SUPPLIES, NURSES ASKED TO REUSE DISPOSABLE MASKS.

NURSES AT AN Oakland, California hospital caring for patients being tested for Covid-19 received instructions this week to reuse disposable medical equipment, including masks and eye protection. The hospital, Kaiser Permanente Oakland Medical Center, issued guidelines to nurses explaining how to clean single-use supplies to serve multiple patients during one shift.

So . . . maybe not such a stupid idea.

 
 
 
Split Personality
8.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @8.2    one week ago
So . . . maybe not such a stupid idea.

Yeah, like wearing your own personal petri dish on your face for one shift after another, then they will wonder why they got sick.

I know from personal experience that the elastic bands are shot at the end of a hard day and a loose fitting mask is useless.

A clean bandana  is safer.

Everyone, and I do mean every one in the medical field should have a personal, resusable, washable mask with replacement filters.

In most hospitals they are referred to as vanity masks. https://www.vogmask.com/

Those "vain" docs, techs & nurses will have the last laugh for wearing their often colorful and custom masks.

These people have no problem buying custom scrubs, shoes, stethoscopes and other tools of the trade

but many somehow feel that masks and gloves are the hospital's or governments responsibility?

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @8.2.1    one week ago
A clean bandana  is safer.

Yeah, they're making that recommendation, too now, I see.

 
 
 
bugsy
8.2.3  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @8.2.2    one week ago

The short term rehab facility I work at now require a mask to be worn everyday, changing out each day. That is better than washing and reusing, but not as safe as previous, before COVID protocol, when you wore a different mask for each patient that is in isolation.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
9  jungkonservativ111    one week ago

Trump's response to this virus may be the best reaction we have ever seen from a US president for this level of disaster. We need a calming voice to this chaos. People are already over reacting as it is. [deleted]

 
 
 
loki12
9.1  loki12  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @9    one week ago

At least they stopped bleating about Russia.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @9    one week ago

You think that arguing with reporters and misstating facts is "calming" ?

lol. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
9.2.1  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    one week ago

I have been watching many of his press conferences as I have been working from home all week. I am very pleased with his performances as well as the task force he has assembled. Most Americans understand that this would happen no matter who was president and nothing could have been done differently. Luckily most Americans are banning together to beat this and not use it as an opportunity to be political. Unfortunately not all of us.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @9.2.1    one week ago

I dont blame Trump for the virus. He should let the professionals handle it and stay in the background. He is a psychologically dysfunctional human being.  Who says about sick people 'let them stay at sea so the count under my watch doesnt go up'? , and yes I am paraphrasing him, but everyone knows that is what he meant and said. 

It's a shame so many of his supporters dont have the guts to oppose him. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
9.2.3  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.2    one week ago

That makes absolutely no sense. Why would the POTUS "stay in the background" during a national crisis? Is there anything you won't say to be negative about our President?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @9.2.3    one week ago

He should stay in the background because he is an idiot. 

How many stupid and selfish things do you have to hear this man say before you understand that? 

It may "calm" the deplorables to see him get on stage and blowhard for an hour every day, but it doesnt calm many others. 

It is always amazing to watch some say that a president who has never seen 50% popularity has "the people" behind him. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.5  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.2    one week ago
It's a shame so many of his supporters dont have the guts to oppose him. 

We know better.  He's so much better than what the opposition proposed and is currently in all probability going to propose.

 
 
 
MUVA
9.2.6  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.4    one week ago

How the hell would I oppose him when the fucking Idiot lifelong bureaucrats and politicians are responsible for this lack of planning. Politicians and bureacrats  made this system not Trump place the blame where it belongs.   

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.7  XDm9mm  replied to  MUVA @9.2.6    one week ago
How the hell would I oppose him when the fucking Idiot lifelong bureaucrats and politicians are responsible for this lack of planning. Politicians and bureacrats  made this system not Trump place the blame where it belongs.   

Actually, the "planning" was fine using the proposed simulations they had and considered.   What they never factored in was the virulent mass hysteria being promoted by the media and some others.  It's all known as "risk management".   And when doing 'risk management' analysis, one uses historical data and likely projections.   Unfortunately in all risk management scenarios, there is always 20/20 hindsight where what was planned for was not what occurred.

By current numbers of "confirmed" COVID19 cases in the United States, your possibility of getting this virus is .00008%.  Now that's such a small number as to be statistically insignificant.

The major problem is that there are too many people who are incapable of independent thought and only depend on what others tell them to do and think.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2.8  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.7    one week ago
.00008%.  Now that's such a small number as to be statistically insignificant.

So the stimulus package being proposed is not necessary, given your statistics citing the insignificance of possible contraction of the virus? The travel restrictions, the social distancing, and sheltering-in-place orders are just hysterical over-reactions? 

We'd all be better served if we quit looking back in order to place blame, not projecting too far forward in guessing when will this be over, and focusing on the task at hand. Get the equipment to those on the front lines so we can properly treat those infected and get to testing broad swaths of the public so we can gather reliable data as to how many are actually infected. Those are the only statistics that matter going forward. 

And just my opinion, independently formed, by watching what is going on around us...it can be done without needing to support some utterly meaningless partisan agenda.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.9  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.8    one week ago
So the stimulus package being proposed is not necessary

Can you point to where I indicated that?  Be VERY specific.  

We'd all be better served if we quit looking back in order to place blame, not projecting too far forward in guessing when will this be over, and focusing on the task at hand.

And that is what Trump is trying to accomplish.  But when some only project fear and impending doom, working the "task at hand" gets difficult.

Get the equipment to those on the front lines so we can properly treat those infected and get to testing broad swaths of the public so we can gather reliable data as to how many are actually infected. Those are the only statistics that matter going forward. 

Once again, getting the necessary supplies to the people is in point of fact being done.  What can't be done is distribute supplies that are not available.  Ergo, why President Trump is successfully working with industry to get the projected needs equipment in place as quickly as possible.   

And just my opinion, independently formed, by watching what is going on around us...it can be done without needing to support some utterly meaningless partisan agenda.

Very true.   Now if you can succeed in educating the President Trump haters who abound all around, to actually rally around Trump and the efforts the government is currently engaging in and stop the continual vitriol and denigration,  we'll succeed that much quicker.

 
 
 
freepress
10  freepress    6 days ago

The record in real time is so recent it is easily fact checked. I wish everyone would compare every tweet, every public rally, every public statement, and the actual timeline from late December until now. These daily dog and pony shows are just a substitute for the rallies Trump is missing and it is becoming clearer that the lack of action from the beginning was so his cronies could all find an angle to profit not taking any threat to the people seriously until it was too late. Now they see the damage they will suffer economically themselves and are playing a game of deflection. After all of this they still concoct bills to pay corporations who will not "trickle" anything down. 

 
 
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