U.S. scrambles to reassure Ukraine after Milley comments on negotiations
By: ALEXANDER WARD, LARA SELIGMAN and ERIN BANCO (POLITICO)
Now the tail is wagging the dog, like it or not. History shows that it's very easy to wade into a quagmire but it's damned hard to get out.
Note the elevation of hardliners in the conduct of the war, too. Diplomacy is a bad word that cannot be spoken out loud. Any attempt to deescalate and find peace is unthinkable. Hardliners want to fight to the death from the comfortable safety of the rear. Expendable resources on the front line are not a concern or consideration. Nothing is more important than the war. Sacrifices are necessary to defeat an enemy that isn't on the front lines of the fight.
Russia is succeeding in it's claimed objective of demilitarizing Ukraine (and, by extension, NATO). Stockpiles of high-tech weapons are being depleted which only levels the playing field. And it does require more time (and money) to replenish stockpiles of high-tech weapons. A war of attrition really does favor crude, simple weapons. That's why asymmetric warfare has proven difficult for the United States military.
Yes, Biden has led the United States into another quagmire. The path into that quagmire seemed so simple, easy to understand and justify with patriotic indignation. But now that we're in this quagmire, how do we get out? Beat the war drums louder? More money? Bigger bombs? Kill 'em all? Escalation? Endless sacrifice?
In the end, what will we win?
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The Biden administration is in damage control mode after a top U.S. general said a window for peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow could open this winter, with senior officials scrambling to assure Ukraine it wasn't undercutting its goal of expelling the Russians.
Specifically, senior U.S. officials are telling their counterparts in Ukraine that the expected winter fighting pause doesn't mean talks should happen imminently. Instead, they're relaying that Washington will continue to support Kyiv's militarily as it launches the next phase of advances on the battlefield, according to Ukrainian and U.S. officials familiar with the outreach.
The scramble follows comments last week by Gen. Mark Milley, the Joint Chiefs chair. The four-star general said during an appearance at the Economic Club of New York that a victory by Ukraine may not be achieved militarily, and that winter may provide an opportunity to begin negotiations with Russia.
The general has spoken regularly with his Ukrainian counterpart, Gen. Valeriy Zaluzhnyy, including on Monday, according to a U.S. official. During the discussion, Zaluzhnyy did not express any concern or mention Milley's comments even once, the person said. The person, along with others interviewed for this story, spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss internal deliberations.
Still, the flurry of calls and meetings with Ukrainians underscores the degree to which the administration is concerned about presenting a unified front on Ukraine and potential peace talks. Any prolonged public split among top U.S. officials could threaten the already delicate relationship between Washington and Kyiv at a key moment in the war.
The Biden administration needs to ease those tensions as it balances its support for Ukraine with concerns that Western stockpiles of military equipment are running low, and the possibility of a Republican-controlled House next year that will slash aid for Kyiv. European leaders are growing anxious about the region's energy crisis, with some raising questions with American counterparts in recent days about the extent to which talks could ease fears about rising costs.
The administration has been careful to signal that peace talks aren't currently on the table. Shortly after Russian media reported that CIA Director William Burns met his Russian counterpart in Turkey Monday, a White House spokesperson insisted the gathering was for non-diplomatic purposes.
"He is not conducting negotiations of any kind. He is not discussing settlement of the war in Ukraine. He is conveying a message on the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons by Russia, and the risks of escalation to strategic stability," the White House said in a statement, adding that Burns "will also raise the cases of unjustly detained U.S. citizens."
Ukrainian officials were briefed about the trip ahead of time, per the spokesperson.
The mixed messages in public and in private about whether the U.S. should begin to speak more seriously with Ukraine about peace talks with Russia are straining the Washington-Kyiv relationship, according to eight U.S. officials. While some top national security officials are adamant that now is not the time to begin discussing negotiations, especially after Kyiv retook a strategically important city last week, others believe the winter could provide an opportunity for diplomatic conversations to take place.
These officials are pushing their counterparts in Washington to more seriously consider an upcoming break in fighting as a diplomatic opening — but their recommendations have not yet altered the views of President Joe Biden or his most senior staff, according to three U.S. and Ukrainian officials.
Some military experts disagreed with Milley's assessment. Winter weather will slow but not halt the fighting, and Ukrainian forces will keep the pressure on ill-equipped Russian troops, said retired Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, the former commander of U.S. Army Europe.
By January, Ukrainian forces will be in position to begin an advance on Crimea, Hodges said — and he anticipates they will have expelled all Russian troops from their territory by the summer.
"People should get their heads around the idea that Ukraine is going to defeat Russia on the battlefield, the old fashioned way. They have irreversible momentum," he said. "Now is the time to put the pedal to the metal."
The debate within the administration took off last week after Milley, who also strayed from White House talking points in the previous administration, shared his assessment that neither Ukraine nor Russia can win militarily.
Both sides need to reach a "mutual recognition" that a military victory "is maybe not achievable through military means, and therefore you need to turn to other means," Milley said, adding that the potential stalemate provides "an opportunity here, a window of opportunity for negotiation."
Milley's remarks did not mean that he believes Ukraine should capitulate or cede any part of its sovereign territory to Russia, the second U.S. official said.
But the comments echoed a broad sense inside the Defense Department that the coming winter provides a chance to discuss reaching a political settlement to end the war. Senior military officials believe Ukraine will be challenged to expel Russian forces from all occupied areas, as is Kyiv's stated end goal. That's especially the case in the Crimean peninsula, which has been held by Russia since 2014.
"It's very difficult to unseat a military that's in a defense, as the Russians found out," the second official said. "It's going to be very, very costly and difficult to kick the Russians out, costly in terms of resources and lives. Can it be done remains to be seen."
When asked to comment for this story, a DoD spokesperson pointed to remarks by Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh on Friday that she would let Milley's comments "speak for themselves."
"The president has said, the secretary has said that the way we see the end to this war is through diplomatic conversations. But again, we're not seeing that the Russians are willing to let up, and frankly, continue to see their aggression on the battlefield and in cities all across Ukraine," Singh said.
Kyiv believes its forces have momentum now after retaking the southern city of Kherson, a key Black Sea port and gateway to Crimea, last week. Russian forces retreated across the Dnipro River on Thursday, consolidating on the opposite bank.
But Defense Department officials say the Kherson region is an example of the tough fighting that lies ahead. Fighting across the river to try to retake territory on the opposite bank is a difficult military maneuver.
"Why not start talking about [peace talks] before you throw another 100,000 lives into the abyss?" the second U.S. official said.
The State Department, meanwhile, is laying the groundwork for eventual peace talks between Ukraine and Russia, a third U.S. official said without offering details. The administration stresses it would only engage in such conversations alongside and in full consultation with their partners in Kyiv.
The National Security Council is the most resistant to the idea of talks, despite a smattering of aides who privately urge the U.S. to get Ukraine and Russia to the table. National security adviser Jake Sullivan has occasionally agreed with their view on prioritizing Ukraine-Russia talks — which is not conveyed directly to the Ukrainians — but argues Russian President Vladimir Putin wouldn't take negotiations seriously at this time and that the Ukrainian public would reject any efforts at dealmaking.
"As long as Russia holds the position that it simply gets to grab as much territory as it wants by force, it's hard to see them as a good-faith counterparty in a negotiation," Sullivan told reporters last Saturday. A senior administration official said "everyone in the room is in the same mindset."
Yet speculation swirls within the Biden administration that the NSC's resistance to peace talks calcified only after Milley's remarks sparked an uproar in Kyiv.
"What White House officials are willing to say publicly and what they think privately are not necessarily the same," said a fourth U.S. official. "Milley is much more willing to just say what he thinks. I'm sure they sometimes wish he wouldn't always say the quiet part out loud."
Another person familiar with the situation said the matter "is a live discussion in the White House."
Whatever the reason, as of now there's no concrete diplomatic push to organize talks afoot, said an administration official. "There are not any planning venues, papers, negotiating strategies," the official said, resisting the idea that there is a quiet effort to set the table for future talks.
The mixed messages from Washington come at an inopportune time for Ukraine, with a brutal winter approaching.
Russia is pounding civilian infrastructure, terrorizing the Ukrainian public by cutting off electricity, heat, clean water and access to other essentials. The Ukrainian military found the recently liberated regional capital of Kherson struggling to fulfill basic services after months of Russian occupation.
"Before fleeing from Kherson, the occupiers destroyed all the critical infrastructure: communications, water, heat, electricity," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in a Saturday video address. Kyiv is now rushing food, water and medicine to the 75,000 or so people remaining in the southern city.
Western military officials are also rushing to figure out new ways to get Ukraine the weapons it needs, particularly ammunition and air defenses to protect civilian infrastructure, as stockpiles run low. The U.S. announced last week that it would provide Ukraine with four Avenger air defense systems, a mobile, short-range weapon used in the Iraq war, along with paying to refurbish old Hawk missiles and Soviet-era tanks from the Czech Republic.
DoD will also buy ammunition from the South Korean defense industry to transfer to Ukraine, according to a DoD official. The Wall Street Journal first reported the news.
There's also widespread concern in Kyiv that a Republican-led House will mean less aid to rebuild places such as Kherson. The U.S. has already given billions of dollars in such assistance to Ukraine, but more funds will be crucial in the coming months and years for reconstruction efforts.
Biden expressed confidence last week that the aid would continue to flow even with Republicans in charge of Congress' lower chamber. But it's possible increased calls for Ukraine-Russia talks from U.S. officials might scare Ukrainians into thinking Washington isn't in it for the long haul.
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Whatever is said, don't piss off Ukraine. The stability of NATO, Europe, and western democracy depends entirely upon Ukraine. Ukraine is the new leader of the western alliance. Biden has ceded global leadership to Zelensky. Who is the puppet and who is the master?
The sale of munitions from S. Korea is all under the premise that they will be used by the United States. South Korea can stop this sale if they believe the munitions will be sent to Ukraine.
South Korea has pledged that it will not send lethal aid to Ukraine.
We could use it to refill our depleted 155 stockpile. I think that as of last month, we’ve provided around 800,000 rounds of M795. That’s a lot of cannon cocking.
I hadn't seen that. Thanks for providing the link.
The wicket becomes even stickier. The United States has become a distributor for foreign weapons manufacturers. South Korea wants peace; it's only selling munitions to the United States to keep troops on the DMZ. (The United States is supposed to fight North Korea, after all.)
If it really were DMZ security, you would think they would be keeping the munitions in country. But the sale gives other impressions. It also brings to question the munitions manufacturers in the US. Why are they suddenly not able to keep up with the demand. They had no issue during the war in Afghanistan.
The Army wasn’t buying many M795 rounds last year so several production lines shut down. It takes awhile to restart one.
The US isn't the only country we manufacture munitions for. And the training requirements for FA doesn't stop because operations in Afghanistan stopped. Remember we still have deployed units fighting in Syria, Iraq and several other countries.
DOD has requested congressional approval to use some of the FY22 budget to increase production capabilities for GMLRS and 155 mm ammo. Industry prefers seeing commitments for multi-year acquisition to justify industry investment in surge capabilities.
Our defense industrial base is sized for peacetime production rates of many consumable items. Surge capabilities are more expensive , buying full factory capacity was not planned for.
We've given the Ukraine over one million rounds of 155 mm. Any more with new production would eat to deep in our own war stackage.
Prior to Ukraine, the US only to buy 29,000 of the basic high explosive projectiles (M795) in 2023. Surge capacity can go yo just under 300,000 per year, but that requires up to a two-year lead time. This is a NATO standard round, so other countries should be helping out.
South Korea has said it will not supply Ukraine with lethal aid but this sale of munitions is to the US and can be kept in our inventory and we can send Ukraine an equal amount to Ukraine. South Korea is well aware of this. This is being done by Germany with other types of weapons.
Additionally, South Korea is selling both fighter jets and tanks to Poland which may put South Korea in a unique position.
I wasn't aware of the sale to Poland. If they are willing to stop the sale of munitions to the US over sending them to Ukraine, the sale to Poland could hang in that balance as well.
But it is all about politics so I imagine some hypocrisy will be exposed.
IMO, South Korea will not stop either sale, by selling the munitions to the US for our inventory they have what is known as ''plausible deniability'' which many countries use, including Russia, China, et al.
Poland and SK signed another new agreement for rocket launches and the first delivery of tanks and howitzers has been completed.
Ukraine tried diplomacy and Russia said no. You might want to check out the front page story. Things just took a turn for the worst, because Russia does not know how to control itself and they shot missiles too close to the Polish border, that went over the border, to Poland.
That's incorrect. There was a negotiated agreement in 2014 called the Minsk Agreement that addressed all the issues. Why did that negotiated agreement fall apart? Russia didn't withdraw from the Minsk Agreements.
Then we should kill 'em all. The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Isn't that the Ukrainian doctrine?
Really? Are you forgetting how the US conducts itself? Sometimes we are not the most accurate- especially with our extra judicial drone strikes. We also tend to violate other countries borders as well. It doesn't matter who is in the White House.
If you want a war related one look no further than Kosovo during the Clinton administration.
Do you really think Russia intended to hit a farm in Poland? What strategic importance is that. Better to ask what was in the area that Russia was targeting. Is Russia starting to target supply lines between Poland and Ukraine. If so it would be one of the first militarily smart things they have done since the conflict started.
How convient of you to ''forget'' the ethnic cleansing that Serbia inflicted on Bosnian Muslims.
Today, Serbia is nothing more than a Russian satellite
In WW II during the invasion of Normandy, the Germans tried and failed a counter attack for the city of Caen. The German commander in France, Field Marshall Gerd von Runstedt, called Berlin to report failure to German Chief of Staff Field Marshall Wilhelm Keitel. Upon hearing the news, he asked von Runstedt what should they do? His reply is one of the classic quotes of WW II. "Make peace you fools!"
Perhaps Putin should think about that.
Russia could use a way out. I'm sure they would look to get something out of it, that they failed to get on the battlefield. The question is why would Ukraine concede anything for peace at this point?
Exactly! Russia has made themselves a pariah on the world stage and Ukraine has the upper hand and support of most of the free world.
Putin is in a terrible spot.
Indeed. Now, will he get crazier or will he be set aside by his nation?
Correct.
They still don't know what happened to this guy:
If he gets set aside- do you really think a peaceful pro Western leader will emerge in Russia?
Since the US/NATO fucked over Gorbachev, Russian leaders have been more and more hard line and anti west.
Given the system that Putin has put in place; anyone that "removes" him will have to be worse than Putin. Not the warm fuzzy type that is going to want to share power and talk peace with the West.
Who said anything about a peaceful pro-Western leader??
If someone else takes over, Russia has a way out. The new leader, who does not have to worry about Putin's ego or reputation, simply takes Russia in a different direction. I doubt that any new leader would want to wallow in the shit hole that Putin has made.
That ignores history. Do you think Khrushchev was worse than Stalin? Brezhnev worse than Khrushchev? Gorbachev worse than Brezhnev?
Russia's, and Putin's, only way out is to use Ukraine as leverage to obtain a negotiated settlement. Russia doesn't have any other bargaining chips except nuclear threats. See why the war in Ukraine is a quagmire?
Biden used sanctions against Russia as leverage. Putin only has Ukraine to use as leverage. A negotiated settlement with Ukraine won't be enough, either. Putin really has militarily attacked Ukraine. But Biden has widened the war with an economic attack on Russia. The situation Biden has created only allows for Russia squeezing Ukraine as a means of reaching a negotiated settlement with the United States.
Zelensky can't (and won't) talk about lifting the sanctions imposed by the United States. Zelensky has no power and no leverage, But Ukraine is the only leverage Russia has to negotiate with the United States. The war in Ukraine can't end until the United States begins diplomacy.
Oh yes. And Ukraine would probably have to give up something their military has recently won. I don't see it happening.
"I don't see it happening."
Not after the price Ukraine has paid in blood and lives so far.