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There's Plenty of Evidence of Corruption Around Biden

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  last year  •  19 comments

By:   J.D. Tuccille (Reason. com)

There's Plenty of Evidence of Corruption Around Biden
When talking heads say "no evidence," they mean "no smoking-gun proof."

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There's plenty of gun smoke.  But no one has admitted to finding the gun yet. 

For a while it looked like Hunter Biden would accept being the fall guy in exchange for a sweetheart plea deal.  However, it turned out the big guy would still have been vulnerable.  So Hunter needs to stay on the hook as scapegoat.  If there is a smoking gun, Hunter will have to own it.  


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


If there's "no evidence" of wrongdoing, as many pundits insist, why is the Republican House majority fooling with an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden's business dealings with his son, Hunter? Well, when talking heads say, "no evidence," they mean "no smoking-gun proof." And they're right; the current case against the president probably wouldn't prevail in court. But there really is evidence of corruption and sleaze around Joe Biden, even if, so far, it doesn't rise to courtroom standards. While impeachment proceedings will likely go nowhere, Americans are entitled to pass their own judgments based on that evidence.

Absolutely No Evidence


"House Speaker Kevin McCarthy backed an inquiry despite no evidence of Biden's wrongdoing," Vox's Li Zhou insisted last week.

"U.S. Rep. Pete Stauber is backing an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden, despite no clear evidence of wrongdoing by the president," sniffed the Duluth News Tribune's Jimmy Lovrien.

"Mr. Biden repeatedly said he had 'never discussed' and had 'never spoken to' Hunter about his business dealings, and Republicans have produced no evidence that he was ever briefed on specific transactions or deals," according to Luke Broadwater of The New York Times.

You'll note how "no evidence" morphs into "no clear evidence" about "specific transactions"—those goal posts must be mounted on wheels. But a lot of the same outlets saying there's no evidence spend a lot of ink disputing the persuasiveness of evidence they tell us doesn't exist.

The Evidence Doesn't Show What You Think It Shows, Anyway


"As for the $20 million in payments," The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler noted of money found by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability to have been paid by foreign sources to the Bidens through a network of companies controlled by members of the family, "only about $7 million can be directly attributed to Biden family members, mostly Hunter, while the rest went to 'associates.'…No evidence has emerged that any of these funds can be traced to Joe Biden himself."

Kessler helpfully broke down the cash flows as "$10 million in Chinese payments," "$6.5 million from Ukrainian energy firm Burisma," "$3.5 million from…a Russian billionaire," "$3 million in Romanian payments," and "$142,300 from a Kazakh businessman (to Hunter Biden to pay for a Porsche sports car)." He added that "no money has been traced to Joe Biden."

Biden famously denied any role in Hunter's sketchy business dealings. But that story has become harder to sustain.

"An IRS whistleblower gave Congress a summary of text messages from 2017 where Hunter Biden allegedly used his father as leverage to pressure a Chinese company into paying him," CNN observes during its own parsing of GOP allegations. "But the whistleblower said prosecutors weren't sure if Hunter Biden was telling the truth that his father was actually in the room."

"Hunter Biden's former business partner, Devon Archer, revealed in congressional testimony on July 31 that Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone to exchange pleasantries with Hunter Biden's foreign business associates on about 20 occasions over a 10-year period," acknowledges The Annenberg Public Policy Center's FactCheck.org. "Archer also described two occasions when Joe Biden attended dinners where foreign business partners — or prospective business partners — were present.…But Archer also said the conversations were always limited to benign pleasantries, such as asking about the weather."

Maybe Joe Biden really enjoyed discussing rainfall with foreign bigwigs. Or perhaps he was savvy enough to signal involvement in a deal without saying anything legally actionable. After all, concerns that Hunter acts as a middleman for his father in unsavory dealings date back many years.

"A son of Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden was paid an undisclosed amount of money as a consultant by MBNA, the largest employer in Delaware, during the years the senator supported legislation that was promoted by the credit card industry and opposed by consumer groups," CBS News reported in 2008. "In a separate matter in which Hunter Biden's lobbying activities were referenced, he and Biden's brother Jim have been sued for allegedly defrauding an ex-business partner."

Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Pseudonyms


If we're having difficulty finding cash flowing directly to Joe from Hunter's efforts to leverage his father's political position, that may have something to do with the thousands of emails the elder Biden hid behind pseudonymous accounts while vice president, in defiance of transparency standards.

"The clandestine emails fit a pattern that GOP investigators are piecing together of a behind-the-scenes effort by Hunter to sell his father's power in Washington — in which Joe played along," opines The Wall Street Journal editorial board.

Allegations that the Biden administration interfered in the investigation of Hunter also add to the impression that something isn't right.

"I am here to tell you that the Delaware USAO [United States Attorney's Office] and Department of Justice (DOJ) handling of the Hunter Biden tax investigation was very different from any other case in my 14 years at the IRS," Supervisory Special Agent Gary Shapley told the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability in July. "At every stage decisions were made that benefited the subject of the investigation," Shapley added. With regard to information found on Hunter Biden's laptop, "Assistant U.S. Attorney Lesley Wolf told us prosecutors had decided to conceal some evidence from the investigators."

Proof? No. Enough Evidence to Gross Out the Public? You Bet.


Is all of this enough to impeach the president? Doubtful. Is it enough to maintain an inquiry? I'd certainly say so—though the Democratic majority in the Senate is unlikely to convict. Impeachment proceedings will end up being political theater, like those against then-President Donald Trump. But public opinion doesn't require the same standard of proof.

"A majority, 61%, say they think that Biden had at least some involvement in Hunter Biden's business dealings, with 42% saying they think he acted illegally, and 18% saying that his actions were unethical but not illegal," CNN reported September 7 of a recent poll. "A 55% majority of the public says the president has acted inappropriately regarding the investigation into Hunter Biden over potential crimes, while 44% say that he has acted appropriately."

A subsequent AP-NORC poll finds that a majority of Americans are "extremely or very concerned" (33 percent) or "somewhat concerned" (26 percent) whether "President Joe Biden committed wrongdoing related to his son Hunter Biden's business dealings." About 50 percent of respondents say they are "not very or not at all confident" that the Justice Department is handling its investigation of Hunter Biden fairly.

The American people have already seen plenty of evidence. They don't need courtroom-level proof of sleaze and corruption to render their own verdicts.


Red Box Rules

Yeah, Trump is a real piece of work.  But Trump's real and imagined crimes have received a lot of reporting elsewhere.  The reporting here is about Biden's corruption and crimes so Trump is not the topic of discussion.  For those wanting to hide Biden behind a Trump smokescreen, maybe Biden and Trump could be impeached together and set another brand new precedent.  


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    last year

Happiness ain't a warm gun in politics.  True to form, the Prez is lining up excuses and scapegoats.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year
True to form, the Prez is lining up excuses and scapegoats.  

And the Bidenites are running with every dumb assed excuse they can think of.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year
True to form, the Prez is lining up excuses and scapegoats.  

Joe went from never talking to Hunter about his business to not being personally involved. Things are moving very fast now and once the evidence is overwhelming, we'll be sure to hear that he didn't "knowingly" take "gifts." It is only a matter of time.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    last year
Joe went from never talking to Hunter about his business to not being personally involved. Things are moving very fast now and once the evidence is overwhelming, we'll be sure to hear that he didn't "knowingly" take "gifts." It is only a matter of time.

Well, the latest clarifications are that Joe Biden was personally involved, at least, to discuss the weather.  The story has now become that Biden didn't materially participate.  Biden was present at a business meeting arranged by Hunter Biden but no business was discussed in Joe Biden's presence.

If there is a smoking gun then Hunter Biden is going to own it.  A blanket plea deal would have left the Big Guy in too vulnerable a position.  Before this is over Hunter Biden may be accused of elder abuse.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.1    last year

We are in the final stage. The House Committee is going after bank records and trying to cut through all the layers of paywalls. Then it will be up to the public to judge what the Bidens actually earned vs how they lived. If nothing else, there is that court of public opinion.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    last year
We are in the final stage. The House Committee is going after bank records and trying to cut through all the layers of paywalls. Then it will be up to the public to judge what the Bidens actually earned vs how they lived. If nothing else, there is that court of public opinion.

Agreed.  The politics seems rather straightforward.  There was enough evidence to support a political narrative.  But now enough evidence has emerged to justify an inquiry.  And an impeachment inquiry is necessary to overcome executive privilege.  

The fact that Joe Biden has needed to clarify his involvement as being more than originally stated lends support for an inquiry, too.  Biden's changing narrative has made him look more guilty instead of less guilty.  Eventually Biden's defense will be that he did nothing illegal even if Hunter was breaking laws.  It's another iteration of the Clinton defense: incompetent but not criminal.   Biden claiming incompetence would sink a reelection bid unless he is running against Trump.  A Biden/Trump rematch wouldn't be about competence.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2  MrFrost    last year
No evidence has emerged that any of these funds can be traced to Joe Biden himself." He added that "no money has been traced to Joe Biden."
 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @2    last year

The investigations are ongoing.

No need for impatience here.

There's still plenty of time to find more evidence.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.2  Snuffy  replied to  MrFrost @2    last year

Keep chugging....   

In 2019, Hunter Biden texted his daughter, claiming that, “unlike Pop I won’t make you give me half your salary.”

Evidence of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @2    last year
No evidence has emerged that any of these funds can be traced to Joe Biden himself." He added that "no money has been traced to Joe Biden."

Sufficient evidence has emerged to force a number of clarifications about Joe Biden's relationship to Hunter Biden's business deals.  Joe Biden's claims have gone from having no knowledge of Hunter Biden's business deals to Joe Biden not making a material contribution to Hunter Biden's business deals.

As evidence emerges, Joe Biden's clarifications have been moving toward complicity and away from innocence.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3  Ozzwald    last year
There's Plenty Of Evidence Of Corruption Around Biden

No, there are plenty of claims of corruption around Biden (as made by the right), but there has, to this point, been no actual evidence.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3    last year
The investigations are ongoing.

No need for impatience here.

There's still plenty of time to find more evidence.

The investigations are ongoing.

No need for impatience here.

There's still plenty of time to find more evidence.

 
 
 
cjcold
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4  cjcold    last year

The only evidence is in the fertile imaginations of the far right.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @4    last year

You wouldn't know about any evidence.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  cjcold @4    last year
The only evidence is in the fertile imaginations of the far right.

The mistake you are making is trying to equate what the Democrats did and you all lapped up to what is going on now.  Maybe you should pay closer attention to what's going on.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5  Sean Treacy    last year

Its Orwellian to deny otherwise.  Text messages Whatsapp messages,  bank accounts, witness testimony, Biden lying about his relationships,  FBI informants, IRS officials testimony etc.  All of it is evidence. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    last year
Its Orwellian to deny otherwise.  Text messages Whatsapp messages,  bank accounts, witness testimony, Biden lying about his relationships,  FBI informants, IRS officials testimony etc.  All of it is evidence.

Bidenistas find it easy to deny what they claim doesn't exist.

Of course, their blinders prevent seeing what is clearly before them, and besides, that isn't what Biden's handlers have instructed them to do.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6  bbl-1    last year

Yes there is a lot of corruption in the vicinity of Biden and all of it resides in the GOP controlled US Congress and GOP State Houses.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @6    last year

And to think, you almost got it right.

You should have just stopped at "Yes there is a lot of corruption in the vicinity of Biden".

 
 

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