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Ukraine will be outgunned by Russia 10 to 1 in weeks without US help, top Europe general says

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  8 months ago  •  16 comments

By:   TARA COPP (AP News)

Ukraine will be outgunned by Russia 10 to 1 in weeks without US help, top Europe general says
The top general for U.S. forces in Europe has told Congress that Ukraine will be outgunned 10 to one by Russia within a matter of weeks if Congress does not find a way to approve sending more ammunition and weapons to Kyiv soon.

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The eight-star military brasswipes have confirmed that NATO cannot defend Europe.  These brasswipes are telling us that the largest, most powerful military organization on the planet cannot even deploy troops without a $60 billion supplemental spending authorization.  What has Biden gotten us into?

These brasswipes are telling us that only the American taxpayer can defend Europe and the free world.  The Ooorah knuckle-draggers will tell us we're all pussies who wouldn't last long in a firefight.  Only trained killers count as patriots.  But these big, bad mud slugs can't do anything without stealing money out of the pussies' wallets.  Taxpayers even have to pay for the freakin' parade to thank these brasswipe veterans for wasting our money defending Europe.  Can you believe this shit?


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WASHINGTON (AP) — The top general for U.S. forces in Europe told Congress Wednesday that Ukraine will be outgunned 10 to one by Russia within a matter of weeks if Congress does not find a way to approve sending more ammunition and weapons to Kyiv soon.

The testimony from Army Gen. Christopher Cavoli, head of U.S. European Command, and Celeste Wallander, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, comes as Congress enters pivotal weeks for voting for aid for Ukraine, but there's no guarantee funding will be improved in time.

Ukraine has been rationing its munitions as Congress has delayed passing its $60 billion supplemental bill.

"They are now being outshot by the Russian side five to one. So the Russians fire five times as many artillery shells at the Ukrainians than the Ukrainians are able to fire back. That will immediately go to 10 to one in a matter of weeks," Cavoli said. "We're not talking about months. We're not talking hypothetically."

Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson has been trying to find a way forward for the bill that would fund new rounds of munitions production at U.S. firms to enable the Pentagon to then rush more munitions to Ukraine. Johnson is trying to bring it to the floor for a House vote, but he is facing concerns from members who cite domestic needs, including border security.

The speaker is also facing a threat to his leadership role from his far-right flank by Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene who has called for his ouster over the issue.

While the political battles on Capitol Hill continue, the dire battlefield situation in Ukraine worsens.

Cavoli told the lawmakers that in this conflict, the U.S. flow of 155mm artillery shells has been a lifeline. "The biggest killer on the battlefield is artillery. In most conflicts, but in this one definitely. And should Ukraine run out, they would run out because we stopped supplying — because we supply the lion's share of that," Cavoli said.

Russia's own production of missiles has ramped up and can launch large-scale attacks every few days. If Ukraine's air defense stocks run out, "those attacks would absolutely cripple the economy, and the civil society as well as the military of Ukraine if they were not defended against without a U.S. provision of interceptors," Cavoli said.

"Their ability to defend their terrain that they currently hold and their airspace would fade rapidly, will fade rapidly without the supplemental," Cavoli said.

U.S. Army leaders offered similar dire warnings to the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee later in the day, saying that the lack of the supplemental is a critical problem for both Ukraine and the U.S. Army.

"The side that can't shoot back, loses, and at this point Ukraine is really starting to be pressed to be able to shoot back. So I am very concerned," said Army Secretary Christine Wormuth. "We saw Ukraine lose some territory a couple of months ago. And I think there is a real danger ...that the Russians could have a breakthrough somewhere in the line."

Gen. Randy George, chief of staff of the Army added that the funding is needed to help send Ukraine long-range weapons and air defense systems so they can defend their critical infrastructure and their troops on the front lines.

At the same time, Wormuth and Gen. Randy George, chief of staff of the Army, said that unless Congress approves the supplemental soon, the Army won't have enough money to bring home the troops currently serving in Europe, or funding to train units in the U.S.

"We don't have the transportation money to have them redeploy," said Wormuth, referring to Army units that are deployed across Europe. "We don't have the transportation money to send units to backfill them."

She and George said they also need the money to continue sending units to the national training centers. to avoid outright cancellation of the training rotations, Wormuth said they can try to reduce participation or shrink their size.

"But those are the kinds of hard choices we're looking at. If we don't see the supplementals come across," she said.

If Kyiv falls, it could imperil Ukraine's Baltic NATO member neighbors and potentially drag U.S. troops into a prolonged European war.

At a Capitol Hill press conference on Wednesday, Johnson said: "House members are continuing to actively discuss our options on a path forward."

"It's a very complicated matter at a very complicated time. The clock is ticking on it, and everyone here feels the urgency of that, but what's required is that you reach consensus on it, and that's what we're working on," Johnson said.

Michigan Democrat Rep. Elissa Slotkin urged a vote.

"Speaker Johnson has a choice to make. I accept that it's a complicated choice. I accept that he's at risk of losing his job over that choice," Slotkin said.

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AP broadcast writer Sagar Meghani contributed from Washington, D.C.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    8 months ago

No one has thanked me for my taxes.  Ever.  There's never been any parades for American taxpayers.  And these taxpayers are told they don't amount to a pile of shit because they don't carry a BIG gun.  

Well, General Brasswipe, you can't do one damned thing without my dollar.  You've whined about it yourself.  When's the last time the US military used my dollar to  win a war?  And you expect me to kiss your backside?  Biden has blown an entire lifetime of paying taxes.  We're right back where we were when I was born.  Can you believe this shit?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
1.1  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1    8 months ago
No one has thanked me for my taxes.  Ever.

Oh-- the horror!

That's really hard to believe-- but I, for one, do not question your integrity! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

In fact, I hereby would like to go on record as thanking you for your tax payment-- in fact I would like to state that that makes you a truly exceptional human being!  jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @1.1    8 months ago
Oh-- the horror!

That's really hard to believe-- but I, for one, do not question your integrity!

In fact, I hereby would like to go on record as thanking you for your tax payment-- in fact I would like to state that that makes you a truly exceptional human being!

Well, if you don't like it, you can eat this press.  

I am certainly not as exceptional as the sarcastic brasswipes that spend boatloads of public money losing wars.  But, hey, they do carry the ball across the goal line.  Ain't we all better for it?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2  Sparty On    8 months ago

NATO is the USA.    

Without the USA, NATO is weak.    

Otherwise this Ukraine problem would not be an issue.    

Had the rest of NATO been carrying their agreed upon water for the previous decades, they could better help defend their right flank.

We are headed for another world war to save Europe.     All world wars are ….. Europe. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
2.1  Krishna  replied to  Sparty On @2    8 months ago
We are headed for another world war to save Europe.

Well, you know the olde saying:

If we don't stop them there-- we'll have to stop them when they attack here!

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
2.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.1    8 months ago
If we don't stop them there-- we'll have to stop them when they attack here!

I'm assuming you're old enough-- as well as smart enough-- to remember what got us into WWII . . . (?)

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Krishna @2.1    8 months ago

Man, I think I’ve heard that before …… Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and a partridge in a pear tree …….

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @2.1    8 months ago

I remember Clinton saying the same damn thing about Serbia. They turned very quickly turned into a paper lion; just like Russia has. Only difference is Russia has nuclear weapons. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Sparty On @2    8 months ago

Europe promised the world to Ukraine (far more collectively than the US) but has been unwilling and unable to fulfill those promises. So according to Democrats and our military we are supposed to bend over and take it again so Russia doesn't over run all of Europe.

Never mind that Russia can't even defeat Ukraine; and even if they could they would never be able to hold it.

If it weren't for their nuclear arsenal NATO would have rolled over Russia long ago.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.1  evilone  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    8 months ago
Europe promised the world to Ukraine (far more collectively than the US) but has been unwilling and unable to fulfill those promises.

Please elaborate.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  evilone @2.2.1    8 months ago

Google is your friend.

The bloc has sent Kyiv only 300K shells and won’t meet March deadline to supply 1 million.

The EU will deliver a million artillery shells to Ukraine — but not by the March deadline leaders had agreed, the CEO of the European Defence Agency Jiří Šedivý told POLITICO.

The agency has been at the heart of efforts to transform the bloc's military industry by matching contractors with capitals in massive joint ammunition deals targeted at boosting local production and supplying arms to Ukraine.

The million shell target was   decided by EU leaders   last March to support Kyiv in its fight against invading Russian forces, but   there were deep divisions   over the success of the policy during Tuesday's meeting of defense ministers in Brussels.

European leaders said Thursday that the 27-nation bloc would not be able to fully replace U.S. support for war-torn Ukraine but made clear they were “absolutely convinced” Kyiv’s biggest financial and military backer would soon come to an agreement to provide further assistance.

Germany has again refused to commit to allowing German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine despite intense pressure.

German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said Tuesday there has been no change in Berlin’s position on whether to allow German-made Leopard 2 tanks to be sent to Ukraine, or on permitting other countries with German-made tanks to send their units to Kyiv. He added that the government still needed to assess the situation.

“I can tell you there is no new information here, the situation has not changed, and we are preparing our decision, which will come very soon,” he said at a joint press conference with NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg.

“We are looking into the matter, what the current status is regarding our Leopard tanks,” he said in translated comments. He noted that Berlin was looking not only at its inventory and industry stocks, but also at the compatibility of its tanks for combat in Ukraine, as well as issues around the logistics of supply and maintenance.

Europe fully expects the US to fund Ukraine militarily and financially. Yes, the EU has promised more aid to Ukraine in total- but they sure as hell aren't delivering it. Democrats want the US taxpayer to pay for EU's lack of caring and preparedness. Just like it has in every other NATO conflict.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
2.2.3  evilone  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.2    8 months ago
Google is your friend.

Thanks for the tip. When I make a claim I'll use to back up my points. I was hoping you had something I hadn't read yet on the specific issue of what Europe made specific "promises" and you don't seem to, so I'll not waste your time. Your quoted links are outdated and most don't even bear on the question. For the record the Germans have sent tanks to Ukraine.

The German military has ordered 18 new Leopard 2 tanks to replace vehicles that were sent to Ukraine earlier this year, a leading defense company said Friday.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

Maybe if Biden didn’t handcuff Ukraine in the name of his re-election and allowed it to defend itself by attacking Russian oil infrastructure. Ukraine would be in better shape. 

Also, Whatever happened to Biden’s Sanctions that were supposed to destroy the Russian economy? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ronin2  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 months ago

Russia went right around them and signed a huge deal becoming a defacto surrogate of China.

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Sorry, but I have to disagree with giving Ukraine any weapons capable of attacking Russian oil infrastructure or Russia itself. Ukraine is already doing missile and drone strikes into Russia- including their refineries. Once Russians are threatened directly they will behave as they always have (ask Napoleon and Hitler); the kid gloves will come off and they will dig in and fight to last person. 

If Ukraine expands the war further into Russia Putin will respond with tactical nukes and possibly chemical weapons. How will the US/NATO respond to that.

For all of Zelenskyy's "Ukraine doesn't want US/NATO direct involvement" he is doing everything in his power to poke the Russian bear into a response that will bring in the US/NATO to the conflict. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
4  Drinker of the Wry    8 months ago

The only thing worse than being a Ukrainian now, is to be a congressional staffer in the House.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5  Jeremy Retired in NC    8 months ago

This is a Ukraine problem.  

 
 

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