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Democrats see "aura of inevitability" around Biden withdrawal

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  4 months ago  •  11 comments

By:   Andrew Solender (AXIOS)

Democrats see "aura of inevitability" around Biden withdrawal
If Biden does exit the race, Brown told Axios that choosing anyone but Harris would be "disrespectful" to Black women.

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Elections were held.  Votes were counted.  The results were certified.  Joseph R. Biden won those elections and earned the delegates to become the Democrat nominee.  Weren't the elections free, fair, and honest?  Didn't democracy work?  

If Democrats will use a coup to remove their own elected candidate then why should be entrust them with our government?  The heavy hitters of the Democratic Party are quite willing and capable of disenfranchising the voters, overturning the elections, and replacing the elected candidate using trumped up excuses and justifications.  DEI?  Race card?  Anything is acceptable when democracy has been thrown under the bus.  Elections don't count and voters don't matter.  

Why aren't the voters involved in selecting a replacement for Biden?  Democrats could hold a nation-wide, mail-in primary vote in the three weeks before the Ohio deadline (that has already been changed to accommodate Democrats).  Heck, Democrats could even use internet voting to nominate a replacement for Biden.  Giving voters a say in choosing Biden's replacement would be a reasonable expectation for a democracy, wouldn't it?  One person, one vote.  We've been told that coups, political coercion, and ignoring certified election results is evil.  So, now the great dictatorial Satan is an expedient bedfellow for Democrats?   

Looks like Democrats, journalists, and the courts have been lying to us all along.  The most important thing in our political process is outcome.  Elections are completely unnecessary when democracy is inconvenient.  In spite of all the self-righteous outrage, Democrats are showing us that  elections really don't matter at all.


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Democratic members of Congress tell Axios they believe President   Biden 's candidacy is nearing its endgame, with even some Biden loyalists beginning to yield.

Why it matters:   Top Democrats, including some of Biden's own aides, believe the president is softening his opposition to stepping aside and could do so as soon as this weekend, Axios' Mike Allen and Jim Vandehei   reported .

  • Still, Biden has only ever said publicly   that he is not dropping out , and a senior Biden aide also   told Axios : "In recent days, the president has become more committed to staying in the race."
  • Biden campaign principal deputy campaign manager Quentin Fulks told reporters on Thursday the president   "is not wavering on anything."

What we're hearing:   "I think it's over," said one senior House Democrat, who, like others quoted in this story, was granted anonymity to speak candidly about internal party dynamics.

  • "A change at the top of the ticket has taken on an aura of inevitability," said Rep. Ritchie Torres (D-N.Y.).
  • Another House Democrat went a step further, suggesting Biden announce his withdrawal on Thursday night to "steal the thunder from Trump's RNC acceptance speech."
  • "That kind of bold, badass move by POTUS would make him a folk hero," the lawmaker said.
  • A third House Democrat who spoke on the condition of anonymity said they have seen a "change in tenor" from Biden's campaign on whether he will stay in.

Between the lines:   Several lawmakers said they expect more members of Congress to call for Biden to drop out – at least two as soon as Friday – if he does not step aside.

Driving the news:   Biden's private talks with Senate Majority Leader   Chuck Schumer   (D-N.Y.), House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) and former House Speaker   Nancy Pelosi   (D-Calif.) have all become public in the last 24 hours.

  • In each of those conversations, the congressional leaders reportedly warned Biden that his staying in the race could have damaging electoral consequences to Democrats further down the ballot.
  • It also emerged on Thursday that Rep.   Jamie Raskin   (D-Md.), the high-profile ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, wrote to Biden earlier this month urging him to rethink his reelection bid.
  • Raskin's fellow ex-Jan. 6 committee member, Rep.   Adam Schiff   (D-Calif.), publicly called for Biden to withdraw from the race on Wednesday.
  • Leadership was "willing to do f***ing anything" to get Biden off the ticket, one Democratic lawmaker told Axios.

The intrigue:   Even some Biden loyalists appear to be losing heart. "I don't believe President Biden should step aside, but it appears that opinion is being overruled," Rep. Haley Stevens (D-Mich.) told Axios.

  • She added: "I will continue to work enthusiastically alongside the Democratic ticket to prevent ... Trump and Vance from instituting a national abortion ban."
  • Another Biden backer, Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove (D-Calif.), told Axios, "I am concerned that the tide is turning against Biden."
  • Biden has received public support from   dozens of House and Senate Democrats , while roughly 20 have   called for him to drop out .

Yes, but:   Other staunch Biden backers projected confidence that he can hang on.

  • Rep. Shontel Brown (D-Ohio) said "a couple of loud voices have been dominating the conversation," but Biden "has made up his mind. He's made a decision. And, so, the more we belabor this conversation the more we're doing ourselves a disservice."
  • "I think we have a nominee ... and I've supported them and continue to support them strongly," said Rep. Robert Garcia (D-Calif.).

What to watch:   If Biden does exit the race, Brown told Axios that choosing anyone but Harris would be "disrespectful" to Black women.

  • "I don't like doing hypotheticals, but ... if the president should change his mind, not only would I want to see it, she is the next in line to be the presumptive nominee," Brown said.
  • "If they want him to step aside, then it 1000% needs to be Kamala Harris," said Kamlager-Dove.

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Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1  seeder  Nerm_L    4 months ago

What happened to one person, one vote?  Yeah, yeah, yeah we've seen Biden's debate performance and concerning behavior after the debate.  But does that really justify throwing voters under the bus?  There is still time for voters to have a say.  And true defenders of democracy would move heaven and earth to allow voters a voice.

If Democrats are willing to use a coup to overturn their own elections and remove their own candidate then why should we trust Democrats with our national democracy?  Democrats actions tell us they will only defend democracy when it is to their advantage.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

2008 was the last real primary Democratic voters got to decide.  '12 was obviously obama.  '16 the party made sure the field was clear of Democrats, including Bidden, only Sanders, a socialist, "challenged" Clinton.  In 2020, when it appeared Sanders might win, they cleared the field for Biden.  So there's a chance Democrats will go more than 20 years without a truly open primary.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

At the end of the day, money wins. Biden can't really campaign without it, and the party won't give it to his family if he defies them and stays in the race.  So if the opposition is as united the press makes its sound, it's just a matter of when Biden quits. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4  George    4 months ago

Just saw an interview with one of Biden’s campaign managers, if he is correct the senile old narcissist isn’t giving up. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  George @4    4 months ago

remember , people like that say what they are paid to say . not necessarily whats happening 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    4 months ago

Republicans are going to regret getting what they wished for. 

Trump looked like a greatly diminished old fool last night, drowning in his own grandiosity and lies. That was a speech that deserved comparison to Biden's debate performance. Of course since the GOP is now a cult, they wont make that comparison. 

A new Democratic candidate will remind everyone of the stakes of this election and greatly energize the anti-Trump sentiment in this country, which is still the majority of Americans. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 months ago

Of course anyone is a better candidate than Biden. Even Harris has more upside than Biden, who is likely the worst potential party nominee in American  history at this point. At least a dying FDR had significant national unity to fall back on to justify running. Any Democrat who can read a speech without stressing the crowd that he might break down at any moment will be a step up. Nobody wants to watch their President embarrass himself when he tries to perform the most basic of tasks, like not mistaking his wife for another old blonde woman. 

Of course, whoever the party imposes on their voters will ultimately have to deal with the immense damage to the party's credibility the hide'em and lie about' em   campaign the party and press ran the last few years to manipulate voters and take away their right to choose their leader.   

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 months ago
Republicans are going to regret getting what they wished for. 

Even the never-Trumpsters honored the primary elections.  The Republicans who wanted to replace Trump in 2016 couldn't gain traction because too many Republicans defended the primaries even if they didn't want Trump.  The voters spoke, the voters chose Trump.  We heard the same excuses that Trump would hurt the Republican chances in 2016; Clinton was going to win bigly.  But Republicans defended the primary elections rather than trying to throw voters under the bus.  

Democrats really could learn something from Republicans about democracy.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 months ago
That was a speech that deserved comparison to Biden's debate performance.

Bullshit but not surprising the far left would try to spin it that way

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
6  Right Down the Center    4 months ago

Picking a VP as a DEI pick instead of the most qualified may bite the dems in the ass.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    4 months ago

And administration of DEI has bitten the country in the ass.  But hey, they checked the blocks.

 
 

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