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U.S. Added 818,000 Fewer Jobs Than Reported Earlier

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  4 months ago  •  58 comments

By:   Ben Casselman (The New York Times)

U.S. Added 818,000 Fewer Jobs Than Reported Earlier
The Labor Department issued revised figures for the 12 months through March that point to greater economic fragility.

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Bidenomics hasn't really been working after all.  So, now the Dem-o-ratz are doing a little CYA.


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The U.S. economy added far fewer jobs in 2023 and early 2024 than previously reported, a sign that cracks in the labor market are more severe — and began forming earlier — than initially believed.

On Wednesday, the Labor Department said that monthly payroll figures overstated job growth by roughly 818,000 in the 12 months that ended in March. That suggests employers added about 174,000 jobs per month during that period, down from the previously reported pace of about 242,000 jobs — a downward revision of about 28 percent.

The revisions, which are preliminary, are part of an annual process in which monthly estimates, based on surveys, are reconciled with more accurate but less timely records from state unemployment offices. The new figures, once finalized, will be incorporated into official government employment statistics early next year.

The updated numbers are the latest sign of vulnerability in the job market, which until recently had appeared rock solid despite months of high interest rates and economists' warnings of an impending recession. More recent data, which wasn't affected by the revisions, suggest job growth slowed further in the spring and summer, and the unemployment rate, though still relatively low at 4.3 percent, has been gradually rising.

Federal Reserve officials are paying close attention to the signs of erosion as they weigh when and how much to begin lowering interest rates. In a speech in Alaska on Tuesday, Michelle W. Bowman, a Fed governor, highlighted "risks that the labor market has not been as strong as the payroll data have been indicating," although she also said that the increase in the unemployment rate could be overstating the extent of the slowdown.

Investors, too, had been watching the revisions closely because of their implications for Fed policy. They were forced to wait longer than expected, however: The data, originally scheduled for a 10 a.m. release, was not published until after 10:30 a.m.

The revisions were unusually large, and were on the upper end of forecasters’ expectations, although a few economists had predicted a reduction of as much as one million jobs.

The new numbers show that hiring was slower nearly across the board than originally reported. There were large downward revisions in white-collar sectors like professional services and information, as well as in hospitality and retail. The transportation and warehousing sector, which includes many businesses involved in e-commerce, was one of the few in which job growth was revised up instead of down.

Still, the big picture remains relatively unchanged: Job growth is slowing, but not collapsing. The unemployment rate is rising, but layoffs remain low.

Indeed, the revisions to some extent help bring the job growth numbers into line with other data showing a more significant cooling in the labor market. Job openings, hiring and employee turnover have all slowed significantly over the past two years. The robust monthly payroll figures were something of an outlier.


Some economists have also argued that the labor market is in better shape than recent data suggests. The unexpected slowdown in hiring and uptick in unemployment in July, for example, may have partly reflected the impact of Hurricane Beryl, which temporarily shut down businesses in Texas. And government data may not fully reflect the effect of increased immigration, which has provided employers with a supply of needed workers.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    4 months ago

There has been an all too plain disconnect between Biden's boasts about the great economy and the conventional DNC claims that Harris will provide relief for the working class.  

Democrats resolved that bit of pandering hypocrisy by simply avoiding accountability.  Hey, Joe, make sure that oil plug is tight while you're under the bus; Dems don't want any leaks now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1    4 months ago

This should put an end to the narrative that: “the economy is doing gangbusters with robust job creation, so why are Americans so gloomy about the economy?”

Luckily for the democrats this big story won't be carried on the front page by the media.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    4 months ago
This should put an end to the narrative that: “the economy is doing gangbusters with robust job creation, so why are Americans so gloomy about the economy?”

That narrative was sent to the crapper the moment they started talking about "fixing it" on day 1.  If everything was going so great what is there to "fix"?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

downward revision of about 28 percent.

how is that possible?  That’s a massive miss.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3  Just Jim NC TttH    4 months ago

Wow, and this from the New York Times...........................

 
 
 
JBB
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4  JBB    4 months ago

Meh, 4.3% unemployment is negligible...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @4    4 months ago

However, on topic.    The lie is considerable.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
5  squiggy    4 months ago

"It's the economy, Stupid" - and the major area where Trump outruns Harris.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    4 months ago

The idea that the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or USA Today, or CBS, NBC or ABC want Democrats to win is silly.  

They are all large corporations whose business interests correspond much more to GOP ideology.  They have individuals who are more liberal than others for sure, but the corporate position is always more conservative than not, and in terms of economic issues they are entirely aligned with the GOP. 

I always say, and I think very accurately, that you are not really liberal or progressive unless you are so on economic issues as well as social issues.  Major media does not align with progressive economic positions. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago
The idea that the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or USA Today, or CBS, NBC or ABC want Democrats to win is silly.  

Nah, any supposition that most of those companies/corporations don’t lean heavily left, is just ludicrous.     No other way to put it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @6.1    4 months ago

They’ve created a fantasy world where Fortune 500 corporations and Wall Street firms are all filled with fanatical right wingers out to suppress the poor working democrat working man. They think it’s 1933. 

It hasn’t been true forever.  Bush, when he was loooking to appoint a secretary of the treasury twenty five years ago had a hard time finishing a nominee from a Wall Street bank who was even nominally a republican.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.1    4 months ago

Many have honed their gaslighting skills to new heights.    

It’s pretty messed up.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.1    4 months ago

this is from a Washington Post fact check of the Democratic convention last night

“Since the end of the Cold War in 1989, America has created about 51 million new jobs. I swear I checked this three times. Even I couldn’t believe it. What’s the score? Democrats 50, Republicans 1.”

— Former president Bill Clinton

This is a cleverly cherry-picked fact.   Clinton starts with the end of the Cold War, presumably the fall of the Berlin Wall on Nov. 9, 1989, which (economically speaking) is somewhat arbitrary. Economic trends such as job growth are not determined by presidential terms but often economic forces beyond a president’s control.

Bureau of Labor Statistics data   show that nearly 50 million jobs were created from November 1989 through July of this year.

By starting during George H.W. Bush’s term, Clinton skips over Ronald Reagan, a Republican who oversaw the creation of 16 million jobs. Instead, the period covered by his statistic included three Republicans — Bush, his son George W. Bush and Trump — who had poor jobs records. About 1 million jobs were created from November 1989 to the end of the first Bush term, 1.4 million under his son, and then a negative 2.7 million under Trump (because of the pandemic). All three Republicans ended their terms with the country in economic downturns.

By contrast, 22.9 million jobs were created under Clinton, 11.6 million under Barack Obama and 15.8 million under President   Joe Biden .

You will note that gives the Democrats 50.3 million jobs and the Republicans a negative 300,000. Perhaps   Clinton thought that would sound too fantastical. So it appears as if he dated his statistic from January 1989, which results in a total of 51.5 million jobs, with about 1.3 million for Republicans.

The implication of this fact check is definitely pro Trump.

The truth is nothing Clinton said was wrong, or unfair. In fact the fact checker confirms this. He just says Clinton should have gone back to include Reagan's job numbers. But why? Why not go back to Nixon or Eisenhower then ?  

There have been six presidents since 1989, Bush I, Bush II and Trump on the Republican side, and Clinton, Obama, and Biden on the Democratic side. It is very fair to compare in this way. 

According to the fact check, it is true that 50 out of the last 51 million American jobs (net) have been created by Democratic presidents.

The WAPO fact checker implies that Clinton wasnt being fair, which is ipso fatso a benefit to the GOP point of view. 

The MSM is trying to prop Trump up. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    4 months ago
e implication of this fact check is definitely pro Trump.

Lol. One single fact check.  One debatable claim within a fact check column  measured against years of made up allegations and shilling for Democratic lies that dominated the headlines. 

Which newspaper led the "30,000 lies" campaign against Trump  using the exact same method of fact checking 

If you think the MSM is propping up Trump, you really are doing your credibility no favors. It's one of the craziest arguments that can be made.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.4    4 months ago

The very fact that the mainstream media refuses to have straight news stories that focus on Trump's bizarre rallies and statements  is evidence they are giving him a lot of slack. 

If Biden or Harris said a tenth of the crazy things Trump says it would be the headline of top of the fold stories in all the major media. When they do report on the crazy and offensive things Trump says it is buried in the middle of a two or three thousand  word article .

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.5    4 months ago

Good God, that comment just proves how far out there you are John.

Wow, just wow!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.6    4 months ago

Actually, I know what I am talking about. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.7    4 months ago

It sounds like you would like to have reporting that did nothing but crucify Trump. People have ears and eyes and can make their own decisions without kibitzing from the news media. They report on what he says and, in TRUE journalistic form, let people make their own decisions.

Journalism is not telling people what to think but rather, reporting fact and letting people think.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.8    4 months ago

Who has crucified Trump ? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    4 months ago

The problem with Trump's lies is that too many people believe him.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.11  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    4 months ago
The implication of this fact check is definitely pro Trump.

Unemployment reached 10 pct during the Great Recession and 15 pct during the pandemic.  It's typical for Clinton to blame those recessions on George W. Bush and Donald Trump while giving credit to Obama and Biden for the recoveries.

Wasn't it Bill Clinton who did away with Glass-Steagall and made the Great Recession possible?

You have to realize Bill Clinton is one of the dirtiest politicians to ever sit in the White House.  Clinton is actually worse than Trump because Clinton is a trained lawyer.

Why doesn't Clinton highlight that 88 pct of the national debt has been created since his inauguration?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.8    4 months ago

Trump asks his audiences, every time now, whether they want him to be nice, or to be mean , to Kamala Harris , and they cheer for "mean" like it is taking place in the Roman colosseum.  Imagine if Harris asked her audiences if they want her to be mean or nice to trump and they all cheered for "mean". It would be the top headline in the New York Times the next day. 

It doesnt even get mentioned prominently about trump in the major newspapers. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.13  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.12    4 months ago
It doesnt even get mentioned prominently about trump in the major newspapers. 

We've heard this same shit for eight years.  Why is it newsworthy now?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.13    4 months ago

This stuff is much more important in an election year. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.11    4 months ago
Clinton is actually worse than Trump because Clinton is a trained lawyer.

That depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.7    4 months ago

Yep, I’m sure you think you do.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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6.1.17  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.10    4 months ago

“The problem with Trump's lies is that too many people believe him.”

It is more insidious than that.

They may not believe the lies, but in their fear and desperation and ignorance have found a spokesman to confirm their fear and desperation and ignorance when they had not previously had an outlet.

Understandable in its simplicity but frightening in its appeal and potential application. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    4 months ago

Congress, DOJ, NY DA's, FBI, need more?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.18    4 months ago

wrong on all three

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.18    4 months ago

Your comment reminds me some of when Trump lied about the 2020 election results and millions of MAGA believed him. Same thing as when he lies about how he is being persecuted by the DOJ, FBI and NY DA's.

There is and was legitimate evidence against Trump in all of the cases that have been brought against him. What are the legal authorities supposed to do? Ignore evidence because trump will bitch about being treated unfairly?  Im sure all criminal defendants would like to be able to do that. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.22  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.14    4 months ago
This stuff is much more important in an election year. 

Well an election year doesn't magically turn Clinton's lies into truth, either.

Trump's lies are such big exaggerations that only dimwits would accept them as truth.  The big fact-checker story over the last 24 hours is Trump claimed Kamala Harris met with Putin days before the invasion of Ukraine.   But was Trump's comment a parody, sarcasm, or a lie?

Who the hell is going to believe that Kamala Harris has been that large a presence on the national stage?  Who the hell is going to believe that Kamala Harris could possibly exert any influence, one way or another, over Vladimir Putin?  Only dimwits would believe Trump was lying when making such an unbelievable, overt exaggeration. 

The only way to refute Trump's over-the-top statement is with the true facts about Kamala Harris lack of stature and experience on the world stage.  No, Harris did not meet or speak with Putin simply because Harris isn't that important.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.21    4 months ago
Trump in all of the cases that have been brought against him.

Russian collusion ring a bell? How about bringing fraud charges for supposedly changing business record. A never before seen precedent? Or maybe a phone call to Ukraine? How about running on the platform of "getting Trump" and everyone forgetting that bullshit? Or, maybe a 30+ year old supposed rape (actually assault) charge? Yeah. You guys are good at that shit. And lest we forget, the overall use of lawfare.

And yes, on all three counts.............and it is actually five. All under the lawfare category.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7  JohnRussell    4 months ago

As Trump has been sinking like a rock stuck in quicksand the MSM has begun to prop him up to conserve the "horse race" aspect of the election. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @7    4 months ago

Lol

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7    4 months ago

quicksand the MSM has begun to prop him up to conserve the "horse race" aspect of the election. 

do you think the department of labor is part of the MSM?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8  JohnRussell    4 months ago
The revisions, which are preliminary, 

Why not wait until they are final? 

Because Trump needs their help now. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @8    4 months ago
Why not wait until they are final? 

Why wait to callout misinformation? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.1    4 months ago

We already know what they claim would be wrong.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @8    4 months ago
Why not wait until they are final?  Because Trump needs their help now. 

Well, that's sure a blunder butted argument.  Don't the lower numbers make a compelling case that electing Kamala Harris will address the problem?  Harris has been making tepid arguments that she will create jobs and fix the kitchen table economy.

Bidenomics was getting in the way of Kamala Harris' campaign promises.  How could Harris promise to fix a great economy?  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

this is Biden’s actual secretary of commerce:

Reporter: Nearly a million jobs "created" since Kamala took office do not exist.

Raimondo: “I don’t believe it because I’ve never heard Trump say anything truthful.”

Reporter: "It is from the Bureau of Labor."

Raimondo. "I'm not familiar with that."

How are these people able to tie their shoes without injuring themselves ? An actual cabinet member dismissing US GOvernment data as trump lies. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    4 months ago

CBS and NBC did not even mention that almost a million jobs claimed just disappeared on their nightly newscast. .

They work so hard for the Democrats and still get bitched at when they accidently leave in something negative about Biden.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.1    4 months ago
at must be the mainstream media propping Trump up, don't you know!

Of course.  Anyone can see that the Washington Post etc.. is biased towards Trump, 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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10  Sparty On    4 months ago

DOH!

 
 

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