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Jury in Daniel Penny's Trial Struggles to Agree on Manslaughter Charge in Choking Case

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  2 weeks ago  •  52 comments

By:   Hurubie Meko and Anusha Bayya (The New York Times)

Jury in Daniel Penny's Trial Struggles to Agree on Manslaughter Charge in Choking Case
It was unclear whether the case would result in a mistrial or if jurors would be able to consider the second charge against Daniel Penny in the killing of Jordan Neely last year.

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The NYT seems undecided.  Is this because of the tarnished prosecutorial reputation in New York?  Or is it because Democrats have not yet been forced to give up the reigns of power?  Or does the unbiased liberal press need to prepare the public before endorsing four more years of peaceful protest?  "No Justice, No Peace"  

Can Jordan Neely become the next George Floyd?  Must be time to think about breaking windows, liberating pharmacies and beauty salons, throwing a few concrete milkshakes, and maybe burn a building or two.  But the unbiased liberal press has been so wrong about so much, lately, that a half-hearted attempt to objectively report the news seems prudent.


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Dec. 6, 2024 -- Jurors in Manhattan sent a note on Friday morning to a judge overseeing the Daniel Penny trial saying that they had come to an impasse on whether he was culpable in the choking death of a disturbed subway passenger last year, leaving unresolved a case that has come to exemplify New York's post-pandemic struggles.

After nearly three days of deliberations, the jurors — seven women and five men — sent a note to the judge, Maxwell T. Wiley, saying: "We the jury request instructions from Judge Wiley. At this time, we are unable to come to a unanimous vote on count one, manslaughter in the second degree."

Justice Wiley responded by reading the jury a so-called Allen charge, official instructions for the jurors to resume deliberations and for those in the minority to reconsider their position in an effort to reach an agreement.

"It's not uncommon for juries to believe they will never be able to reach a unanimous decision," he said, adding: "I'll ask you to continue deliberations on that count."

Justice Wiley said he had to decide if a unanimous agreement was impossible on the manslaughter charge before considering if the jury could move onto deliberating the second charge: criminally negligent homicide.

Prosecutors said Mr. Penny fatally choked the subway passenger, Jordan Neely, a 30-year-old former Michael Jackson impersonator who struggled with his mental health, when he held him in a chokehold for about six minutes on the floor of an F train in May of 2023.

In the instructions the jurors were given, they were told that they had to first consider the charge of manslaughter and come to an agreement. If they believed that Mr. Penny, a 26-year-old former Marine, was guilty, they would not need to consider the second charge.

It was unclear if jurors would be able to consider the second charge if they failed to reach an agreement on the first, and they were asking for instructions on Friday about what to do.

Upon receiving the jury’s note on Friday, Mr. Penny’s lawyer, Thomas A. Kenniff, argued that it would be “coercive” to ask the jurors to continue to deliberate.

“The defense position at this time is we are moving for mistrial,” Mr. Kenniff said. “The jury has been deliberating for roughly 20 hours, over four days, on what is in many ways a factually uncomplicated case.”

Dafna Yoran, an assistant district attorney, pushed back, calling it “crazy” to have a hung jury simply because jurors aren’t able to consider a second count.

“Jury deliberations are not intended to be easy, they’re difficult in every single case no matter how strong the evidence,” Justice Wiley told the jurors before sending them back out of the courtroom.

After the jury left, Justice Wiley told the parties that he was still trying to find the relevant case law to help him in making a decision about whether the jurors can deliberate on the second charge Mr. Penny faces if they fail to reach an agreement on the first.




Hurubie Meko is a Times reporter covering the New York Police Department and criminal justice in the New York region.



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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago
To bias, or not to bias, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the liberal heart to suffer
The slings and arrows of public perfidy,
Or to take arms against the tide of irrelevance
And by Resistance gain influence.


Apologies to the Bard.
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 weeks ago
To shill, or not to shill, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The stupidity and arrogance of outrageous morons,
Or to fake charm against a sea of poorly educated conservatives
And by appeasing mend them.
 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    2 weeks ago
To shill, or not to shill, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The stupidity and arrogance of outrageous morons,
Or to fake charm against a sea of poorly educated conservatives
And by appeasing mend them.

Apologies to the bored?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago

In my most humble opinion...

If Neely were White and Penny was Black, there would have never been a trial.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 weeks ago
ly were White and Penny was Black, there would have never been a trial.

Neely would be a progressive hero, in that situation. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    2 weeks ago

There would be statues raised in his honor

 
 
 
George
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2.2  George  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 weeks ago

And the headline would have read, White fascist trump supporter subdued by good Samaritan saving thousands.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 weeks ago

If Neely were White and Penny was Black, there would have never been a trial.

It's always race, right? Sad. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  MrFrost @2.3    2 weeks ago

Tell that to BLM and the people screaming racism.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @2.3    2 weeks ago
It's always race, right?

Then explain why Penny was put on trial and Jordan Williams wasn't.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.3.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @2.3    2 weeks ago
It's always race, right? Sad. 

It is with BLM.  And BLM is considering whether or not to stage protests coerce another trial.

Obviously race was an issue for Alvin Bragg's prosecution.  Bragg just wanted a conviction on any charge.  Perp walking the white guy would be justice for DEI.  Neely was a drugged up banger with a mental disability; a poster child of DEI and a martyr for BLM.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 weeks ago
If Neely were White and Penny was Black, there would have never been a trial.

there was a recent stabbing in NYC that fits that scenario....Bragg dropped the charges.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

It's a travesty this was ever charged. With all the actual crime in NY, this and a witch-hunt against Trump is what they devote their resources to. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago
Meghan McCain, Voice of Reason:
I don’t think the left fully grasps how much they are radicalizing people when a marine who saved a bunch of people on the subway from a violent person with mental illness yelling “someone is going to die today” is demonized. Daniel Penny did nothing wrong, you lunatics.
 
 
 
goose is back
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5  goose is back    2 weeks ago

I wonder how many New Yorkers are in Penny's corner and how may want him convicted? I hope the one's in his corner stay strong for "NO" charges against him. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  goose is back @5    2 weeks ago

Because of a deadlock, the judge dismissed the manslaughter charge but is letting them continue to deliberate on a negligent homicide charge. Commentary from defense lawyers is that this is highly unusual and was done over the defense's objection. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2  evilone  replied to  goose is back @5    2 weeks ago
I wonder how many New Yorkers are in Penny's corner and how may want him convicted?

I wonder how many New Yorkers are in the UHC CEO's killer and want him convicted? Isn't murder wrong?

 
 
 
goose is back
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5.2.1  goose is back  replied to  evilone @5.2    2 weeks ago
Isn't murder wrong?

You have a right to defend yourself and others against imminent threat of death? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @5.2    2 weeks ago

He was charged with manslaughter, not murder. There is big difference. That charge has been dismissed.

The remaining charge is criminally negligent homicide. They'll reconvene Monday to figure that one out.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.3  evilone  replied to  goose is back @5.2.1    2 weeks ago
You have a right to defend yourself and others against imminent threat of death? 

So only certain people deserve to be killed? Did the shooter of the UHC guy deem him to be a threat?

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.4  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @5.2.2    2 weeks ago
He was charged with manslaughter, not murder.

Thou shalt not kill.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  evilone @5.2.4    2 weeks ago

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

Yet Democrats/leftists do that all the damn time. Which is how we end up with these BS trials.

 
 
 
goose is back
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5.2.6  goose is back  replied to  evilone @5.2.3    2 weeks ago
Did the shooter of the UHC guy deem him to be a threat?

What are you talking about?  I believe you will have a hard time claiming someone walking away from you on a public street and you shoot them in the back is somehow a threat, but maybe in your mind that's possible. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.7  evilone  replied to  goose is back @5.2.6    2 weeks ago
What are you talking about? 

The dumbass shit humans do to justify the killing of another. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @5.2.4    2 weeks ago
Thou shalt not kill.

He didn't kill him.  Evidence shows that.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.8    2 weeks ago

But but but that coroner said she watched the video and based her decision only on that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @5.2.9    2 weeks ago

And some idiots are gullible enough to take that "evidence"

 
 
 
goose is back
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5.2.11  goose is back  replied to  evilone @5.2.7    2 weeks ago
The dumbass shit humans do to justify the killing of another. 

There was no "justified killing", there was a self-defense of oneself and others and the perpetrator died in the process. Good rule of thumb would be, don't threaten other people with death because they may act accordingly. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.12  evilone  replied to  goose is back @5.2.11    2 weeks ago
There was no "justified killing",

I can't tell if you are being obtuse or just not understanding my point. Both killers justified their killing of another. Everything else is irrelevant to my post. YOU can justify one over the other but you don't seem to care that 2 people are still dead.

 
 
 
goose is back
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5.2.13  goose is back  replied to  evilone @5.2.12    2 weeks ago
you don't seem to care that 2 people are still dead.

I care that a man was assassinated and the other died due to his violent threats.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.14  evilone  replied to  goose is back @5.2.13    2 weeks ago

Yes, I've noted you care more about the justifications of the killings more than the deaths themselves. No more needs to be said.

 
 
 
goose is back
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5.2.15  goose is back  replied to  evilone @5.2.14    2 weeks ago
No more needs to be said

Then why do you keep responding?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

bizarre.  The judge seems desperate for a conviction 

 
 
 
Freefaller
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8  Freefaller    2 weeks ago

While I do not doubt he was doing what he thought was best to defend himself and others putting the person in a chokehold for 6 minutes seems like too much, most people I've seen in chokeholds are unconscious in about 15 seconds..

This is a tough one

 
 
 
The Chad
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8.1  The Chad  replied to  Freefaller @8    2 weeks ago

The particular choke hold applied by Daniel Penny is a blood Choke, both carotid arteries are closed and with in seconds blood flow to the brain is stopped. It does not stop oxygen to the lungs. That being said Daniel Penny's hold was not applied properly. His left arm was not against the artery. His other arm was out of place too.

 
 
 
Freefaller
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8.1.1  Freefaller  replied to  The Chad @8.1    2 weeks ago
That being said Daniel Penny's hold was not applied properly. His left arm was not against the artery. His other arm was out of place too.

Was it filmed or something?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago

Just saw where BLM is out there calling for riots for Neeley's overdose.

 
 
 
George
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9.1  George  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    2 weeks ago

I thought they were too busy embezzling the donations to Buy Large Mansions to do anything effective.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    2 weeks ago

BLM leader: "God damn America and those white people on the jury"

Time for corporations to give them tens of millions of dollars again, I guess.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.2    2 weeks ago

I wonder if those dumbasses realize they are free to leave if they don't like the country.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2.1    2 weeks ago

What other country celebrates laziness and gives away cash every month for that laziness?

They aint doing nowhere

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @9.2.2    2 weeks ago

Good point.

I'm curious if Bragg will prosecute any rioters as fast as he did Penny.

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.2.4  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2.3    2 weeks ago

Doubtful

If any of them get violent and get taken out by the police,  assuredly the cop would be charged with murder and the perp will have a statue raised in his  honor.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Penny acquitted!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    2 weeks ago

Should have never been brought to trial.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.1    2 weeks ago

The judge must be devastated.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

Another failure of Alvin Bragg.

 
 
 
George
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10.2  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    2 weeks ago

This is a win for the people of NY.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @10.2    2 weeks ago

The ultimate prize would be to remove Bragg from his position.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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11  Just Jim NC TttH    2 weeks ago

Oh, oh. didn't go as he "planned" TFB

 
 

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