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As government cuts support, some internally displaced Ukrainians return home — to Russian occupation

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  2 weeks ago  •  11 comments

By:   Natalia Yermak (The Kyiv Independent)

As government cuts support, some internally displaced Ukrainians return home — to Russian occupation
With little to no state support, many displaced Ukrainians are living on the brink of poverty and struggle to afford rent, which is forcing an estimated thousands to move back to their homes in Russian occupation.

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Living in a war zone.  Can't afford housing, food, or necessities.  Little access to adequate services like health care and education.  And the government ignores their hardships and suffering.

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Last winter as Olena Morozova braced for a long and arduous trip to Ukrainian-controlled territory from her Russian-occupied home in Lysychansk in Luhansk Oblast, her friends were traveling in the opposite direction.

The friends — a family with two sons — came back to their house in Lysychansk because they couldn't afford to pay the rent in Dnipro, the regional capital in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, which hosts the largest number of internally displaced people in Ukraine, Morozova told the Kyiv Independent.

"They told me it was very difficult (to live) in Ukrainian-controlled territory, too," Morozova said, "But I didn't even want to listen, because we were set to leave (Lysychansk) after the New Year."

After nearly three years of all-out war, some internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Ukraine are opting to return to Russian-occupied areas due to the Ukrainian government's failure to provide them with proper housing and enough financial aid to adequately resettle.

An estimated one-third of the Ukrainian population, or nearly 14 million people, left their homes in 2022 following the start of Russia's full-scale invasion. Many have returned since, but at least 3.5 million remain internally displaced at the moment, according to the UN.

Official data on how many people have returned to Russian occupation is difficult to obtain. The Social Policy Ministry recorded 1,262 displaced persons returning to occupied territories over the last nine months, the Ombudsman Office told the Kyiv Independent but noted the number could be higher, citing limited access to the data.

Some estimate the number is much higher. Luhansk-born Ukrainian lawmaker Maksym Tkachenko from the ruling Servant of the People party recently said that 150,000 people had left Ukrainian-controlled territories to return to Russian occupation.

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Evacuees arrive by bus at an evacuation point in the Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine, on May 12, 2024, amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Roman Pilipey/AFP via Getty Images)

After his comment was widely published in the media and a top Ukrainian official accused him of lying "for the hype," Tkachenko retracted his statement, adding that it was his "unfounded and emotional assumption." Nonetheless, other officials commented on the failed state policy for the displaced, without citing their numbers.

At the outset of the war, Ukraine's government responded to the influx of displaced persons by announcing financial assistance, compensation for employers who gave work to IDPs, and partial or full subsidies on the cost of living, according to the Ombudsman's Office. It has also ordered local administrations to provide them with free housing, which has proved difficult to get and often inadequate to people's needs.

Stories of some families show that a lack of enough government assistance may be forcing some to make the decision to return home, even if it means life under Russian occupation, where basic services are lacking and people live under the threat of prosecution for their Ukrainian identity.

"Now (my friends) are crying and want to return (to Ukraine)," said Morozova, 48, whose family is happy with their choice to move to Kyiv despite their struggle to make ends meet without any state support.

Living on the brink of poverty


Many IDPs live on the brink of poverty, with 40% relying on humanitarian assistance from the state and international humanitarian organizations to meet their basic needs, according to a UN November 2024 survey.

Their struggles only got worse in March 2024 after the government revised its regulations on financial aid towards living expenses for the internally displaced — set around $45 per month for adults and $70 for children and people with disabilities.

The allowance is far less than the actual subsistence minimum, last estimated by the Social Policy Ministry in 2022 at around $145 and projected to be much higher now.

Per the new decree, the number of people receiving the payments dropped more than twice - from 2.5 million in 2023 to over 1 million in August 2024, according to the Social Policy Ministry. The payments will be revised every six months, cutting off more people as the government aims to primarily help those with the lowest income.

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The main facade of the Vlasta hotel in Lviv, Ukraine, on Feb. 4, 2023. Built in 1976, the economy-class hotel has not undergone renovations since then. In the first weeks of Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine, the hotel sheltered hundreds of refugees fleeing Russian missiles. (Stanislav Ivanov/Global Images Ukraine via Getty Images)

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A resident of a dormitory for internally displaced persons sits in a room where she lives with her sister and husband in Lviv, Ukraine, on Sept. 30, 2022. (Stanislav Ivanov/Global Images Ukraine via Getty Images)

But for many displaced people, this aid is "not just partial assistance in paying for housing, but in fact one of the few means of subsistence," the Ombudsman's Office told the Kyiv Independent.

"We rented whatever was available," said Antonina Palamarchuk, 64, who fled Myrnohrad, Donetsk Oblast, and moved around Ukraine until settling in Kyiv with her daughter.

The cost of their apartment — Hr 12,000 or $280 — exceeds Antonina's pension, which is just $2 more than the legislated minimum that would have allowed her to receive financial aid from the state.

She told the Kyiv Independent that a relative decided to go live with family in Donetsk, occupied by Russia since 2014, because she had nowhere to live in Ukraine-controlled territory.

State lodgings stand empty as people struggle to find housing


Even as the government has claimed to provide free housing for the displaced, many wait months to be housed. Activists say that the reason behind the long wait times is not the lack of available lodgings, but their inadequate management at the local and national level.

"There is certainly little help from the state in the form of housing," said lawmaker Tkachenko, who also co-founded a nonprofit "VPO Ukrainy" that helps displaced people.

As of July 1, only 2,995 internally displaced people in the country were living in the temporary municipal lodgings, and 13,048 were on the waiting list, the Infrastructure Development Ministry told the Kyiv Independent.

Tkachenko said that conditions in government-provided housing are often inadequate — such as "one shower used by 50 women and children" — while people are often forced to pay for utility services themselves.

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Internally displaced people walk in a modular housing complex donated by the Polish government for the temporary accommodation of evacuees in Lviv, Ukraine, on Feb. 9, 2023, amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Yuriy Dyachyshyn/AFP via Getty Images)

Though the state offers to cover these expenses for the local administrations, it's "easier for some managers of these facilities to collect money directly from displaced people" rather than wait to be reimbursed by the state, a process that can be long and bureaucratic, Tkachenko told the Kyiv Independent.

His account corresponds with a recent UN survey from October 2024, which said that 23% of IDPs reported lacking adequate accommodation, compared to only 6% of the non-displaced.

"We're talking about the minimum necessities of life," Tkachenko said.

A 2022 decree mandated that local governments finance and build shelters or provide municipal buildings for the displaced.

While local communities helped lots of internally displaced people in 2022, they have since run into trouble finding the resources to accommodate everyone as the war stretches into its third year, said Petro Andriushchenko, ex-advisor to the mayor of Russian-occupied Mariupol.

Meanwhile, habitable state-owned facilities sit empty. According to Andriushchenko, the Education Ministry never placed any IDPs in university dorms, even though they have remained vacant as students study remotely due to the war.

"(Local) communities ask a logical question: Why should we give away our building (to the displaced) if there is an empty state building?" he said.

He added that international organizations are ready to finance reconstructions of the living quarters for the displaced, so the government's passive approach had little to do with the lack of funds.

"People on the top just don't want to make uncomfortable managerial decisions," he said. "It's about their inability to put things in order in state-owned real estate that is empty or repurpose it."

800 Karyna, 10, who was evacuated from the Kherson region, sits on a bed in a room where she lives with her parents and sister at a refugee reception center in Mykolaiv, Ukraine, on Oct. 28, 2023, amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Roman Pilipey/AFP via Getty Images)

Another reason for what Andriushchenko described as the government's "non-existent policy" towards the displaced citizens could be Ukraine's strong civil society. Since the onset of the full-scale war, countless volunteers, individuals, and organizations have mobilized to help their fellow citizens.

"Volunteers picked us up (after we crossed the border)," Morozova said, describing her family's trip from Russia's border to the nearest city Sumy in the north of Ukraine last winter.

Volunteers also helped them find the first place to stay in a village near Kyiv, and later — a single-room apartment that Morozova now rents with her husband and son.

"The flat is really broken, but at least the roof doesn't leak and there are no drafts," she said. "We lived in the cold for two years (in occupation)."

The hard choice to return home


Amid higher unemployment, diminishing government support, and harsh living conditions as Russia bombards Ukrainian energy infrastructure, some people turn to their last resort: going back home to Russian occupation.

The trip back itself can be treacherous. There are no border crossings between Ukrainian-controlled and Russia-held territories in Ukraine and the only remaining border crossing at the two countries' borders is for entrance back into Ukraine only, said Deputy Presidential Office head Iryna Vereshchuk during a TV interview on Nov. 27.

Vereshchuk blamed the lack of border crossings as the reason why the government is unable to keep official statistics on the number of displaced persons returning to occupation.

The only option for Ukrainians to get into Russia is by plane from other countries to Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, where Russia has set up a "filtration" facility where they are screened by special services on arrival.

This route is long and expensive, with ticket costs starting around $1,000, according to Vereshchuk. "Filtration" can reportedly last for days, as members of the Russian Security Service question people's allegiance and check their phones.

Russian authorities said in October that 83,000 Ukrainians entered the country through Sheremetyevo over the past year, while another 24,000 were turned away.

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An aerial view of a small settlement of Tsukurine destroyed by Russian artillery and guided aerial bombs in Donetsk Oblast on Sept. 30, 2024. (Libkos/Getty Images)

Based on Andriushchenko's communications with people who tried going through the airport and the data he claims to get from sources in occupied Mariupol, he and other activists estimate the number of Ukrainians turned away on arrival to be much higher — roughly 200,000 or more. The number of those who went in could be as high as 150,000.

"They just go wherever they have a place to live," Andriushchenko said. "Because here they simply have nothing to spend or nothing to pay for food."

Others return home to look after ailing relatives. According to Olha, a 67-year-old Zaporizhzhia native currently living in Kyiv whose name has been changed for security reasons, one of her friends returned to occupation in September to look after her bed-ridden husband, despite being detained and held captive by Russians early into the full-scale invasion.

Olha hasn't heard from her friend since.

Life under occupation


While Russian propaganda uses the numbers of returning Ukrainians to claim that life under occupation is better than in Ukrainian-controlled territories, international media reports and stories told by Ukrainians in Russian-controlled areas paint a different picture.

In Lysychansk, Morozova told the Kyiv Independent she didn't see fresh bread for half a year after its occupation in July 2022. She survived by selling fire-cooked dumplings, while her husband made little money by delivering drinking water to the elderly neighbors who had some retirement savings.

After weathering two years without utilities except for gas, Morozova fell severely sick and couldn't get out of bed. There was no medical assistance available in the city. The Russian soldiers which her family asked for help said that they "have nothing to do with civilians."

A neighbor took her to the hospital in Luhansk, occupied since 2014, where she received some medical help.

"They injected me with Ukrainian drugs. Expired, though," Morozova added.

When she spoke in October with her friends who returned to occupied Lysychansk last winter, they told her that little had changed: There was no water supply or central heating and electricity was unstable.

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People who fled from different areas of the Kharkiv region wait in a queue to be registered at an evacuation point in Kharkiv, Ukraine, on May 14, 2024, amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Roman Pilipey/AFP via Getty Images)

"Children are having 20-minute-long lessons — almost no studies at all," Morozova said. "And mice are pestering them. There are a lot of mice in apartments because there are a lot of empty apartments — many people have moved out."

Their story reflects some of the dire conditions Ukrainians face under Russia's rule. In addition to prosecution, detention, and murders of pro-Ukrainian activists, they also include enforced Russification. Basic services like schools for children are available only for those with Russian passports.

People without Russian IDs can't prove their property rights under a 2023 decree. Starting from July 1, 2024, they can be evicted from their own homes as "aliens."

According to Andriushchenko, the decree incited a wave of returnees to occupied territories in the past months, as people came home just to make sure their property wasn't taken away, going back to Ukraine again afterward.

But activists say that displaced Ukrainians can't even receive state compensation for damaged property if their homes are in occupation, as financial aid is only given to homeowners in Ukraine-controlled areas.

"The government treats the displaced like invisible people," said Andriushchenko, who left his post as a mayor's adviser recently.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

But NATO is more unified than ever.  NATO has even expanded into non-belligerent northern Europe.  Most important of all, Russia has been contained and hasn't invaded NATO Europe.

Joe Biden proved he's got BIG BRASS BALLS.  Oorah, Mike Foxtrot!  Who cares if that political win caused a little inconvenience.  Obviously it was worth it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2  TᵢG    2 weeks ago

Russia (Putin) is the villain here yet you blame the USA (Biden).

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1  MrFrost  replied to  TᵢG @2    2 weeks ago

Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) Steve Daines (R-Mont.), John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), John Kennedy (R-La.), Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and John Thune (R-S.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Tex.).

What do they all have in common? They all spent the 4th of July......in Russia. The GOP is slowly turning into a puppet for Putin. Not shocking to see followers jump on board and throw the USA under the bus. 

It's ironic that many of these followers also run up and down the street claiming they are patriots. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.1  GregTx  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    2 weeks ago

Do you have a cite for that comment?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  GregTx @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.3  GregTx  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

I appreciate the reply but that's behind a paywall for me.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  GregTx @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Republicans on Russia trip face scorn and ridicule from critics at home

Republican lawmakers who went to Russia seeking a thaw in relations received an icy reception from Democrats and Kremlin watchers for spending the Fourth of July in a country that interfered in the U.S. presidential election and continues to deny it.

“Cannot believe GOP, once the party that stood strong against Soviets & only a decade ago sought to democratize the Middle East, is now surrendering so foolishly to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and the Kremlin’s kleptocracy — only two years ­after Russia interfered in U.S. election,” tweeted Clint Watts, an information warfare specialist at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and frequent featured expert before congressional panels examining Russian influence operations.

“Russians wooing with a shopworn song — repugnant as nails on a blackboard,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) wrote in a Twitter post in response to the delegation’s trip. “They are enemies and adversaries, attacking us.”

Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) led the eight-member delegation on a multiday tour of St. Petersburg and Moscow, a trip that included meetings with Russia’s foreign minister and parliamentarians. It did not include a session that senators had been hoping for: a meeting with Putin, whom President Trump is scheduled to meet at a summit this month.

Joining Shelby were Sens. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), John Kennedy (R-La.), Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and John Thune (R-S.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Tex.).

Members of the delegation set off on their trip late last week promising to be tough with Russian officials ahead of the president’s visit, especially on matters of election interference. But they struck a conciliatory tone once there: The point of their visit, Shelby stressed to the Duma leader, was to “strive for a better relationship” with Moscow, not “accuse Russia of this or that or so forth.”

It played well in Moscow, but not on the home front.

“Politicians celebrate Independence Day in many ways. Some march in a parade. Some attend a barbecue or watch fireworks,” tweeted Richard Painter, an ethics lawyer in President George W. Bush’s administration who is   running for the Senate   in Minnesota as a Democrat. “But others must travel further to meet with their most important constituents.”

The senators who posted Fourth of July messages on social media while still in Moscow took some of the sharpest criticism, some of which highlighted that while they met with Kremlin-connected officials, Britain discovered that two of its citizens had been poisoned by a suspected Russian nerve agent, the same substance that injured a former Russian spy and his daughter in England in March.

Others pointed out that while the delegation was in Russia, the Senate Intelligence Committee   released a report finding   Russia had interfered in the 2016 presidential election with a clear preference for helping Trump defeat former secretary of state Hillary Clinton. Only one of the delegation participants, Kennedy, sits on a congressional panel that has looked into the Russia probe.

Appearing Thursday on Fox News, Daines said the Russia trip had been “productive.”

“We sent a very strong message and a direct message to the Russian government,” he said, ticking off four items he said they pressed while there: Don’t interfere in U.S. elections, respect the sovereignty of Ukraine, work with us toward peace in Syria, and uphold obligations under nuclear arms treaties.

That message did not appear to have much impact, though.

“We heard things we’d heard before, and I think our guests heard rather clearly and distinctly an answer that they already knew — we don’t interfere in American elections,” said Sergey Kislyak, the former Russian ambassador to the United States and now a member of Russia’s upper house of parliament.

On Russian state television, presenters and guests mocked the U.S. congressional delegation for appearing to put a weak foot forward, noting how the message of tough talk they promised in Washington “ changed a bit ” by the time they got to Moscow.

“We need to look down at them and say: You came because you needed to, not because we did,” Igor Korotchenko, a Russian military expert,   said on a talk show   on state-run television.

Links to the quotes were circulated on Twitter by Julia Davis of RussianMediaMonitor.com.

The congressional GOP’s prominent foreign policy voices have remained quiet about the trip, declining to comment about the visit’s significance. Last week, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) remarked only that Jon Huntsman, the U.S. ambassador to Russia, had been urging several colleagues to visit.

In comments to reporters, Huntsman defended the delegation’s efforts as important.

“Election meddling was stress­ed in ways that have never been discussed before,” Huntsman said Thursday, pointing out that the congressional delegation was the largest to visit Russia in recent memory. “The fact of the matter is that we have not had the kind of conversations, across-the-table conversations — about things like election meddling and malign activity — that really do need to take place.”

The timing of the trip is what bothers me. 365 days a year, they chose the day we celebrate our independence? Sorry. That BS. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    2 weeks ago
What do they all have in common? They all spent the 4th of July......in Russia. The GOP is slowly turning into a puppet for Putin. Not shocking to see followers jump on board and throw the USA under the bus. 

The junket happened in 2018.  So, why was this a problem?  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @2    2 weeks ago

The goal of all of this was to remove the Russian military as a threat to Europe- which it never was. All of the Chicken Little the sky is falling BS from warmonger neocons; and butt hurt Democrats/leftists still bemoaning Hillary's 2016 election loss were flat out wrong!

Russia doesn't have a modern military. It is piss poorly led, and still using WWI/WWII tactics. It has now lost it's most advanced tanks and cannons- pulling them out of moth balls to send to the front. It has lost it's experienced military- and is throwing raw recruits to the front. Russia was the number two arms dealer in the world before the war. Now it is reduced to buying weapons and munitions from North Korea, Iran, and China. It is paying North Korea to send troops into Ukraine to bolster Russian forces. Putin made a horrendous trade deal for Russia with China just to keep the Russian war machine going. The only good thing about the Russian military meat grinder is that it runs in both directions at the same time; and doesn't get clogged.

Why do you support Ukraine? They are full on Fascist. They have shut down all independent media- and now have state run media only.

Ukraine has had to take extraordinary measures to fight Russia's invasion. Among them, the government has consolidated the country's television outlets and dissolved rival political parties. It says it needs to do this to maintain a united front in fighting Russia. NPR's Emily Feng reports from Kyiv.

EMILY FENG, BYLINE: Before the war, Ukraine had a dizzying array of television news stations. But in March, President Zelenskyy decided to consolidate them into one 24-hour channel. But not all stations were included.

Ukrainian President   Volodymyr Zelensky   signed into law a controversial statute expanding the government’s power to regulate media groups and journalists in the country.

Zelensky   signed the legislation   on Thursday over the objections of media unions and press freedom organizations that warned it will have a chilling effect on free speech.

They have banned opposition parties.

They have arrested political opponents of Zelensky; and anyone that speaks out against the current government.

Various human rights organisations have condemned the increasing political persecution taking place in Ukraine.

In addition to Zelenskyy’s government outlawing all opposition parties, the criminalisation and persecution of citizens on ideological grounds is also intensifying.

In early January 2023, after being arrested by the SBU and accused of possessing publications from the Yanukovych presidency and from outlawed Ukrainian political parties, a 61-year-old man from Kharkiv was sentenced to ten years imprisonment and a further ten years administrative disqualification.

Under sweeping and baseless accusations of performing acts of ‘espionage’ for Russia, or being ‘agitators’ or ‘snoopers’, the undermining of basic freedoms and legal safeguards is worsening, intensifying alongside the lynchings and murders taking place in Ukraine.

With a view to the next EU-Ukraine summit:

  • 1. Is the Commission considering demanding that an end be put to the repression and political persecution being inflicted on part of the Ukrainian population?
  • 2. Is the Commission of the view that a political regime which has banned all opposition parties can be considered as a possible member of the EU?
  • 3. Is the Commission contemplating publicly condemning the repression and numerous murders, detentions and imprisonments which have been carried out on ideological grounds?

Democracies do not ban opposition parties. The fact that so many such parties ever existed says something about the level of opposition faced by the Ukrainian nationalist government that came to power after the 2014 revolution. Then in May of 2022, the Ukrainian parliament passed a law formally banning all these parties. President   Volodymyr Zelensky   signed the law. The list included the Opposition Platform for Life, which had held fully 10 percent of the seats in parliament. Among the 11 banned parties are the Socialist Party of Ukraine, the Progressive Socialist Party of the Ukraine, the Union of Left Forces, and the Communist Party of Ukraine.

Democracies do not ban elections, but Ukraine has put the democratic process itself on hold since declaring martial law in 2022. This hiatus was supposed to be temporary, but it has been repeatedly extended, most recently in July 2023. As a result of that vote in the Ukrainian parliament, where all opposition parties have been removed, the parliamentary elections scheduled for last month were canceled. Presidential elections were scheduled for March 2024, but under current rules they too will not be held, and Zelensky has stated that "now is not the time for elections."

Democracies do not censor the media. In February 2022, the Ukrainian government ordered the nine largest television networks in Ukraine to combine their news operations into a single, state-controlled news program called "Telemarathon." In April 2022 the National Security Council ordered three independent television channels associated with Zelensky's predecessor taken off the air. In December 2022, Zelensky signed a law which gave the National Broadcasting Council statutory authority to regulate all print, broadcast, and digital media.

This law gave the Ukrainian government the ability to censor and shut down independent platforms such as   Google . It has been harshly criticized by the European Federation of Journalists, which stated that it is incompatible with   European Union   membership. Ukraine's own National Union of Journalists called the law "the biggest threat to free speech in (Ukraine's) independent history." At this point there are no independent television stations broadcasting news in Ukraine. Print and digital media remain heavily censored.

Democracies to not prohibit travel. When Ukraine declared martial law, men aged 18 to 60 became subject to conscription and were therefore forbidden to leave the country. Many have nevertheless sought to avoid the war by fleeing abroad. Those apprehended by the border police are sent to military service. Those who manage to escape remain mostly in Poland and Germany. The Ukrainian government has asked the   EU   to forcibly return them to Ukraine, thus far without success.

Democracies do not restrict religious freedom. In December 2022, Zelensky banned the activities of all religious organizations linked to Russia. This included Ukraine's largest denomination, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which had been closely integrated with the Russian Orthodox Church for more than a thousand years. In May 2022 the church's synod of bishops, in a historic step, formally voted to sever all ties to Moscow and condemned the Russian Orthodox Church's support for the invasion of Ukraine. This was not enough for the Ukrainian government. It increased efforts to ban the Orthodox Church while organizing and promoting a new, state-controlled church.

If people wish to join this new church, they should certainly be free to do so, but the government in Kiev has been forcing congregations to switch allegiance and seizing the property of those who resist. The Ukrainian parliament is now preparing to formally outlaw the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Democracies do not seek to ban a nation's oldest and largest denomination.

Finally, we have been hesitant to focus on the far-right complexion of the Ukrainian nationalist movement. Terms like "fascist" and "neo-Nazi" are in, our view, thrown about far too glibly. Yet perhaps we should have been more forthcoming for there are undeniably authoritarian overtones to the Ukrainian nationalist movement. You need not take our word for it. Simply look up Stefan Bandera or the Azov Brigade and draw your own conclusions about where nationalism ends, and racism begins.

To be fair, governments do frequently limit civil liberties in times of crisis. Our own Patriot Act probably went too far in that direction. President Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus for Southern sympathizers during the American Civil War, but he never canceled elections. Neither did Winston Churchill, to whom Zelensky is sometimes compared. Churchill actually lost the 1945 British election and had to watch Clement Attlee take the final victory lap for World War II.

Supporting Ukraine costs too damn much and comes at the expense of supporting US citizens in their time of need. Ukraine is an EU problem; and they have not lived up to their promises of aid and military support- not even close. The US is once again doing all of the heavy lifting- thanks again Brandon. Whatever information Ukraine has on Hunter's "business dealings" with Ukraine in return for Brandon's political influence; Brandon is scared shitless of coming out. Thankfully Brandon is just about done; but that hasn't stopped him from wasting billions before heading out the door.

Today, I am proud to announce nearly $2.5 billion in security assistance for Ukraine, as the Ukrainian people continue to defend their independence and freedom from Russian aggression.  

If Democrats/leftists support Ukraine so damn much- renounce your US citizenship and head on over. Ukraine needs fodder to feed the Russian meat grinder. They are quickly running out of their own people willing to serve.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    2 weeks ago
They have arrested political opponents of Zelensky; and anyone that speaks out against the current government.

So? Putin has murdered people who speak out against him....But this is your problem? Russian much?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    2 weeks ago

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