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Coronavirus: Some scientists believe herd immunity is closer than originally thought

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  5 years ago  •  19 comments

By:   Apoorva Mandavilli (The Independent)

Coronavirus: Some scientists believe herd immunity is closer than originally thought
We've known from the beginning how the end will arrive. Eventually, the coronavirus will be unable to find enough susceptible hosts to survive, fading out wherever it briefly emerges.

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A dose of reality.  Herd immunity will not be random or universal, as has been assumed in many models.  Unsurprisingly controlling spread of the virus in less affluent communities will be more difficult since fewer options and choices are available.  Less affluent communities may well develop herd immunity before a vaccine can become available.

We've seen in the United States that demands for locking down the economy has come from more affluent portions of the population.  Isolation will slow spread of the virus but will also delay development of herd immunity until vaccines are available.  Less affluent portions of the population do not have the means to adopt such stringent measures of isolation.  So, the reality is that the government's response to the pandemic through social distancing restrictions has been about protecting the affluent population.

The government has been favoring the rich once again.  The affluent can afford to isolate themselves for their own protection; the less affluent do not have that luxury.  The burdens of the pandemic have certainly not been shared equitably.


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We've known from the beginning how the end will arrive. Eventually, the coronavirus will be unable to find enough susceptible hosts to survive, fading out wherever it briefly emerges.

To achieve so-called herd immunity - the point at which the virus can no longer spread because there are not enough vulnerable humans - scientists have suggested that perhaps 70 per cent of a given population must be immune, through vaccination or because they survived the infection.

Now some researchers are wrestling with a hopeful possibility. In interviews with The New York Times, more than a dozen scientists said that the threshold is likely to be much lower: just 50 per cent, perhaps even less. If that's true, then it may be possible to turn back the coronavirus more quickly than once thought.

The new estimates result from complicated statistical modelling of the pandemic, and the models have all taken divergent approaches, yielding inconsistent estimates. It is not certain that any community in the world has enough residents now immune to the virus to resist a second wave.

But in parts of New York, London and Mumbai for example, it is not inconceivable that there is already substantial immunity to the coronavirus, scientists said.

"I'm quite prepared to believe that there are pockets in New York City and London which have substantial immunity," said Bill Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T H Chan School of Public Health. "What happens this winter will reflect that."

"The question of what it means for the population as a whole, however, is much more fraught," he added.

Herd immunity is calculated from the epidemic's so-called reproductive number, R0, an indicator of how many people each infected person spreads the virus to.

The initial calculations for the herd immunity threshold assumed that each community member had the same susceptibility to the virus and mixed randomly with everyone else in the community.

"That doesn't happen in real life," said Dr Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health. "Herd immunity could vary from group to group, and subpopulation to subpopulation", and even by postal codes, he said.

For example, a neighbourhood of older people may have little contact with others but succumb to the virus quickly when they encounter it, whereas teenagers may bequeath the virus to dozens of contacts and yet stay healthy themselves. The virus moves slowly in suburban and rural areas, where people live far apart, but zips through cities and households thick with people.

Once such real-world variations in density and demographics are accounted for, the estimates for herd immunity fall. Some researchers even suggested the figure may be in the range of 10 per cent to 20 per cent, but they were in the minority.

Assuming the virus ferrets out the most outgoing and most susceptible in the first wave, immunity following a wave of infection is distributed more efficiently than with a vaccination campaign that seeks to protect everyone, said Tom Britton, a mathematician at Stockholm University.

His model puts the threshold for herd immunity at 43 per cent - that is, the virus cannot hang on in a community after that percentage of residents has been infected and recovered.

Still, that means many residents of the community will have been sickened or have died, a high price to pay for herd immunity. And experts like Mr Hanage cautioned that even a community that may have reached herd immunity cannot afford to be complacent.

The virus may still flare up here and there, even if its overall spread is stymied. It's also unclear how long someone who has recovered may be immune, and for how long.

Virus-resistant communities?


The coronavirus crashed this year's Purim celebrations in the Orthodox Jewish neighbourhoods of New York City, tearing through the parades and masquerades in Brooklyn on 9 and 10 March.

Schools and synagogues soon shut down to quell the spread, but it was too late. By April, thousands in the Brooklyn communities were infected, and hundreds had died.

"It's like a black hole in my memory because of how traumatic it was," said Blimi Marcus, a nurse practitioner who lives in Borough Park, which was hit hard by the virus.

But all that has changed now, Ms Marcus added: "The general feeling is one of complacency, that somehow we've all had it and we're safe."

Is it possible that some of these communities have herd immunity? In some clinics, up to 80 per cent of people tested had antibodies to the virus. The highest prevalence was found among teenage boys.

But people at clinics are more likely to be showing symptoms and therefore more likely to be infected, said Wan Yang, an epidemiologist at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health in New York. Random household surveys would probably find lower rates - but still well above the 21 per cent average reported for New York City, she said.

Researchers in Mumbai conducted just such a random household survey, knocking on every fourth door - or, if it was locked, the fifth - and took blood for antibody testing. They found a startling disparity between the city's poorest neighbourhoods and its more affluent enclaves. Between 51 per cent and 58 per cent of residents in poor areas had antibodies, versus 11 per cent to 17 per cent elsewhere in the city.

The lowest-income residents are packed tightly together, share toilets, and have little access to masks. "These factors contributed to a silent infection spread," said Dr Jayanthi Shastri, a microbiologist at Kasturba Hospital in Mumbai who led the work.

Most researchers are wary of concluding that the hardest-hit neighbourhoods of Brooklyn, or even those in blighted areas of Mumbai, have reached herd immunity or will be spared future outbreaks.

But models like Mr Britton's hint that it's not impossible. Other researchers have suggested, controversially, that herd immunity can be achieved at rates of immunity as low as 10 per cent or 20 per cent - and that entire countries may already have achieved that goal.

"We are still nowhere near back to normal in our daily behaviour," said Virginia Pitzer, a mathematical epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health. "To think that we can just stop doing all that and go back to normal and not see a rise in cases I think is wrong, is incorrect."

A second wave might also hit groups or neighbourhoods that were spared by the first, and still wreak havoc, she said. Immunity is a patchwork quilt in New York, for instance: antibodies were present in 68 per cent of people visiting a clinic in the Corona neighbourhood of Queens, for instance, but in just 13 per cent of those tested at a clinic in the Cobble Hill section of Brooklyn.

But another group, led by mathematician Gabriela Gomes of the University of Strathclyde in Britain, accounted for variations within a society in its model and found that Belgium, England, Portugal and Spain have herd immunity thresholds in the range of 10 per cent to 20 per cent.

"At least in countries we applied it to, we could never get any signal that herd immunity thresholds are higher," Ms Gomes said. "I think it's good to have this horizon that it may be just a few more months of pandemic."

Other experts urged caution, saying these models are flawed, as all models are, and that they oversimplify conditions on the ground.

Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University, said it wasn't clear to him that Ms Gomes' model offered only one possible solution. And he was suspicious of the big ranges among the four countries.

"I think we'd be playing with fire if we pretended we're done with this," Mr Shaman said.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    5 years ago

Clusters of infections will result in clusters of herd immunity.  That's common sense.  The virus has not spread randomly or universally as has been assumed by most models.  The models have not been grounded in reality.  And now the more affluent experts are claiming that models that account for disparities are flawed?

Even the experts are favoring the rich.  The poor will develop herd immunity first and that threatens the more affluent who have the luxury of isolating themselves for their own protection.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  Tessylo    5 years ago
Herd Immunity Works—If You Don’t Care How Many People Die


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July 27, 2020      2:00 PM EDT

The herd immunity coronavirus strategy predictably failed in Sweden. Humans often defy the best interests of the herd, write Laurie Garrett and John Moore.

From Wall Street to Main Street, much hope in the COVID-19 crisis has been placed on “herd immunity,” the idea that a sufficient number of people will eventually develop antibodies to stop virus spread and curtail the pandemic. That thinking is behind President Donald Trump’s       insisting   , “The virus will disappear. It will disappear.”

The       Swedish government       chose to pursue herd immunity during the spring when COVID-19 overwhelmed many European nations, favoring voluntary control measures over strict lockdown procedures. This week, 21 Swedish infectious diseases experts      denounced       the policy, writing, “In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief, and suffering, and on top of that there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.”

The United Kingdom also      flirted with a herd immunity strategy       in March, but it soon backtracked as the      death toll rose       and Prime Minister Boris Johnson was hospitalized with COVID-19.


The problem with   herd immunity    is the word “herd.” Some 400 vaccines are used on livestock, fish, pets, and zoo animals worldwide: all creatures without free will. A herd can be protected against a disease by allowing a pathogen to spread within it, killing some but leaving the survivors resistant to infection. The same outcome can be achieved, at less cost in lives, by vaccinating a sufficient percentage of the herd. In both scenarios, the percentage needing protection depends on the pathogen’s infectiousness.    For example   , if 70% of domestic dogs are vaccinated against rabies, the worldwide canine herd is protected and dog bites do not transmit this lethal virus to humans.

In a democracy, humans have free will, including      the ability to choose       to do idiotic things that put themselves and others      at high risk for infection   . They chafe at restriction, bridle at confinement, and often defy the best interests of the herd.

Modeling of SARS-CoV-2   indicates    that an infection rate of 65% to 70% is needed to protect the rest of our freewheeling human herd. Thus, two-thirds of the U.S. population must become resistant to the virus before our epidemic shifts from collective catastrophe to isolated incidents. But allowing infection of about 200 million Americans translates to more than 1 million deaths, a morally reprehensible toll. The 10% antibody-positive rate among Swedes, the    5% seen    in survivors of    Spain’s epidemic   , and even the 45% found among London    health care workers    involved in COVID-19 patient care come nowhere near herd immunity levels. 

A      study       of blood samples collected this spring in 10 U.S. cities found the highest seropositivity rate, 22.7%, was in New York City at its March/April epidemic peak. The city’s      chief medical officer   , Jay Varma, says, however, that this antibody rate offers no solace, since “herd immunity is a very unlikely explanation…We’re not nearly at a level where we would expect that immunity would play a major role in decreasing transmission.”

Moreover, a positive result on an antibody test does not guarantee protective immunity; the detected antibodies may be neither strong enough to counter the virus nor targeted appropriately. It seems paradoxical, but the strongest antibody responses      are seen       in the sickest patients, including those who die. People with asymptomatic or mild infections usually develop weak responses. 

The common perception that someone who recovered quickly had strong antibodies that “beat the virus” is flawed. It’s unknown whether the weaker antibody responses are protective against reinfection, and we’re still foggy on how      T cell immunity       kicks in. Isolated cases are increasingly      reported       of       individuals       who survived COVID-19, tested negative for the virus, and then weeks later were reinfected and took ill. These       cases are rare       but may become more common.

The key issue is      duration   : How long does immunity to SARS-CoV-2 last? We are still very early in this pandemic. No studies have tracked immune responses in people for much longer than three months. Results are mixed. In New York City,      local researchers say       people seem to still be robustly immune after three months. But a      London study       saw immunity waning strongly over that period, and in the Chinese district of Wanzhou, 40% of asymptomatically infected people and 12.9% of COVID-19 cases      rapidly became antibody-negative   .

Such findings should come as no surprise. Immunity to the related coronaviruses that cause common colds   wanes    after about a    year   , so people can catch colds over and over again. Nobody discusses herd immunity for common cold viruses—because there is no such thing.

If herd immunity via infections is off the table, the world needs a vaccine. Several Operation Warp Speed (a public-private program designed to speed up COVID-19 vaccine development and distribution) vaccine candidates have elicited antibodies and T cells in human trials, but it’s too early to tell whether any will protect against infection or reduce the severity of disease. Only large-scale efficacy trials can provide those much-needed answers. However, the urgency of the pandemic and other pressures will probably mean that vaccines will be approved for mass use well before we know their duration of protection. Nobody wants to wait a full year to see if immunity is sustained for 70% of the human herd.

It is quite foreseeable that immunity to the first approved COVID-19 vaccines will diminish over time, requiring frequent booster injections.

Of course, a vaccine can only confer herd immunity if it is widely used. Opinion       surveys       show many American “herd” members have already decided to reject a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.      Polling results in May       found only 49% would take it, and 31% were unsure, while 20% would refuse a vaccine under any circumstances. A July       survey       found similarly sobering results. A scientific task force      has warned       that the Operation Warp Speed vaccine effort “rests upon the compelling yet unfounded presupposition that ‘if we build it, they will come.’”

To boost public confidence, it is essential that vaccines are approved only after both efficacy and safety are rigorously proved. Any      rushed political interventions and election year politics       that compromise safety assessments could render mass immunization impossible by further fostering public distrust.

As prominent economists have    put it   , “Absolute economic recovery rests on the eradication of COVID-19. The reality is that the timeline, efficacy, cost, and distribution of a vaccine all introduce factors that we do not believe are appropriately reflected in the markets and public sentiment.” 

This killer coronavirus will not simply “disappear” as long as human behavior allows it to spread within       the herd   . A       Wall Street miracle   , where powerful, lasting immunity emerges       en masse and allows the       world economy       to return to its 2019 ways, is delusional. Until a vaccine or multiple vaccines are developed      and used       on a global scale to confer herd immunity, human beings must exercise free will to protect themselves and the rest of the human herd by using masks, social distancing, and good old-fashioned common sense.

Laurie Garrett is a Pulitzer Prize–winning science writer, author of      Betrayal of Trust: The Collapse of Global Public Health       and other books, and a science

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2    5 years ago

Any original thoughts other than a copy and paste? How about another source as you seem to be stuck on the one you've posted ad nauseum for days?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    5 years ago
Any original thoughts?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    5 years ago

How about..............you read the actual article seeded, and get back to us with the plethora of knowledge you have gained from several experts?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    5 years ago

he initial calculations for the herd immunity threshold assumed that each community member had the same susceptibility to the virus and mixed randomly with everyone else in the community

This.  As models become more sophisticated and reflect how people actually act, the number for herd immunity drops.  And it also lessens the chances for significant outbreak as the population approaches that number. 

If natural immunity in those previously infected lasts up to a year in a significant number of people, there won't be any large second waves in places like New York, or northern Italy, or Wuhan.  There simply won't be enough "new blood" to sustain a large outbreaks.   You can already see that in NYC.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    5 years ago

Laurie Garrett is not a medical expert but simply a "science writer" Anything she writes is like to be biased and inaccurate.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @2    5 years ago
Herd Immunity Works—If You Don’t Care How Many People Die

But we've only cared about how many affluent people die.  That's the problem.

Shutting down the economy and imposing isolation restrictions are luxuries available for the more affluent.  The more affluent can depend upon FedEx drivers to risk their health by continuing to work.  The delivery drivers don't have the luxury of isolation to protect themselves.  We've only shut down the economy for the more affluent; the less affluent can't afford to do that.

The poor will develop herd immunity first simply because they can't afford to isolate themselves.  While the elitist snobbery sounds like a good idea, that approach is not practical and does not reflect the hard, cold reality of the less affluent.

The virus may not discriminate but the snobbish demands for government response has certainly discriminated.  It's all been about protecting the rich.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2    5 years ago

What nonsense. [[delete]]

 
 
 
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We do not know the present level of current and past infection.

We can only get an approximation of that through region by region random testing for antibodies. If you only test sick people or people who have been in contact with the ill, you will get an inflated number for the level of infection.

The idea of herd immunity really only works if the members of the herd stay in one place and no outsiders can enter and mingle in the herd.

A study of cell phone locations (I think that's kind of invasive) would let us know the behavior of the herd. I'm also pretty sure that population density is a factor.

Things heat up - people hunker down and start wearing masks. Things cool down - it's party time. Then things heat up again.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Account Deleted @3    5 years ago

We've been getting inflated number for infections for some time now, it's disgraceful.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    5 years ago

Don't believe it for a second.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    5 years ago
We've been getting inflated number for infections for some time now, it's disgraceful.

Actually, no we haven't been getting inflated numbers.  That's kinda the point.

Current guestimates are that between 50 and 100 million people have developed immunity in the United States.  Asymptomatic infections have been the ringer.

With such a larger number of unreported infections (according to estimates), the success of a vaccine is guaranteed.  Why do you think testing for immunity has been slow walked?  Placebos could be deployed before the end of the year and the experts would declare victory.  So, the effectiveness of any vaccine really becomes less important as the virus spreads.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    5 years ago

Granted there are false negatives too but your story is close to the ones posted. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.6    5 years ago

Don't believe it for a second.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1.8  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.5    5 years ago
While I agree with the numbers being quantified for those that likely have it from a statistical standpoint, I believe Greg was noting the "official" tested numbers being inflated.  As I noted in 3.1.1, numbers are being inflated either intentionally, or simply error.

No doubt the contractors hired to collect samples and perform tests have an incentive to pad their numbers.  Common sense tells me that we have too many families living paycheck to paycheck to allow voluntary testing to be effective.  A positive test result means the individual can't work.  The more affluent are more capable of absorbing the economic burden of isolation.

The government has not been distributing masks, soaps, and sanitizers to protect the population.  Individuals have been on the hook for getting those supplies.  Celebrities have been showing off their designer masks as a status symbol; less affluent people have less fashionable options.

Hard, cold reality suggests that people who cannot afford to isolate themselves are not seeking testing.  And those same people are less likely to afford the supplies necessary for social distancing.  Profiteers have made those suppliers even less affordable.  So, if 100 pct of reported infections are false that still doesn't account for the much larger number of infections that haven't been detected.  

While it is only my speculation, I think the official reports of infections are only a drop in the bucket.  The slow walking of tests for immunity supports my suspicions.  The political incentive is to declare victory and a very large number of unidentified immunity guarantees political success.  The official numbers serve political expediency but under reporting infections provides political success in the end.

 
 

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