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Free health care for migrants? Lunacy given US border crisis

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  11 months ago  •  24 comments

By:   nypost (New York Post)

Free health care for migrants? Lunacy given US border crisis
Extending offers of free health care to illegal migrants is an act of sheer insanity given the scope and scale of the wider US border crisis and the cost to taxpayers.

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Lunacy doesn't even begin to describe this bullshit.


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Across the globe, millions of people are on the move, defying borders and violating laws to escape poor countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America and break into rich countries.

The United States is their No. 1 destination.

America needs a strategy to control the impact of this lawless migration on our quality of life.

Instead, the Democratic Party merely virtue signals, saying, "Welcome, take whatever we have."

As of Jan. 1, California is offering Medi-Cal to 760,000 undocumented migrants of all ages.

California's health-care system is already strained, with long emergency-room wait times and a dire nurse shortage.

A dearth of beds and mental-health facilities prevents municipalities from moving the thousands of drug-addicted homeless off the streets and into treatment.

The state faces a staggering $68 billion deficit.

Yet the left opts to spend money on migrants instead of on California's own, showing utter disregard for the health care of local residents.

The California Republican Party warns that adding 760,000 undocumented people to the state's health insurance rolls will exacerbate "access problems."

In short, Californians will wait longer and settle for less care.

Don't think this lunacy is limited to one state.

New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maine, Vermont, Illinois, Oregon and Washington already cover migrants in specific age categories, and left-wing lawmakers are pushing to expand the coverage to all ages.

New York lawmakers came close in June but ended the legislative term without passing it.

In blue state after blue state, Democrats are pushing to give migrants taxpayer-funded health coverage.

It's a knife in the back of hardworking Americans who struggle to pay medical bills.

It will also doom this nation to a never-ending flood of strangers seeking government handouts.

Connecticut's Democratic-controlled legislature has gone off the deep end, offering "Baby Bonds," taxpayer-funded savings accounts for every child — including children of illegals — whose birth is covered by the state's Husky public-insurance program, even if their migrant parents arrived just days before the birth.

Nest eggs courtesy of the taxpayer, for the express purpose of "closing the wealth gap."

The Democratic Party's zeal to provide migrants with free health insurance is extreme compared with what's occurring around the globe, even in socialist-leaning countries.

In June, America was one of only a few First World countries to sign on to the United Nations-sponsored Rabat Declaration, which declares all migrants should have access to a country's national health-insurance programs.

The Biden administration was in the company of Somalia, Chad, Algeria and other Third World countries.

Notably, Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany, Norway, Sweden and other European countries that receive large numbers of migrants did not sign.

Even socialist countries like Norway are strictly limiting migrants to emergency care only, no comprehensive health insurance.

French President Emmanuel Macron's government is reassessing whether it can provide health benefits to migrants.

These countries see what the Democratic Party in the United States refuses to admit: Free health care is a magnet.

Contrary to Vice President Kamala Harris' blather, the flood of migrants across the southern border is not due to "root causes" the United States can ameliorate with diplomacy and foreign aid.

It's a worldwide phenomenon.

Many European and Scandinavian countries are adjusting their policies to protect their own residents from undue burdens.

America is simply surrendering.

Offering health insurance also invites an influx of sick people from countries that cannot provide care.

Venezuela's health-care system has collapsed. Hospitals there lack 80% to 90% of essential medicines, a situation that's pushing the sick and their families to flee.

Neighboring Brazil is reporting the reappearance of communicable infections such as tuberculosis, hepatitis A, whooping cough, diphtheria and measles because of the influx of Venezuelans needing care.

Expect similar problems in the United States.

Open borders, free meals and hotel rooms and promises of free health coverage produce predictable results.

Migration across the US southern border set yet another record in December.

As one Republican member of Congress commented on California Gov. Gavin Newsom's health policy, "nothing is free, the California taxpayers have to pay for it." She added, "It's treason. No other way to say it."

At the least, it's a betrayal.

Betsy McCaughey is a former lieutenant governor of New York.

Twitter: @Betsy_McCaughey


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    11 months ago

In a nutshell, and I do mean NUTshell.........................

As one Republican member of Congress commented on California Gov. Gavin Newsom's health policy, "nothing is free, the California taxpayers have to pay for it." She added, "It's treason. No other way to say it." At the least, it's a betrayal.
 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    11 months ago

A $68 billion deficit and even more of the "rich" leaving yet California wants to spend even more money?  What the hell is in the water out there?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    11 months ago
In a nutshell, and I do mean NUTshell.........................
As one Republican member of Congress commented on California Gov. Gavin Newsom's health policy, "nothing is free, the California taxpayers have to pay for it." She added, "It's treason. No other way to say it." At the least, it's a betrayal.

No, California will demand Federal subsidies.  This won't cost Californian's that much.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  Vic Eldred    11 months ago

It used to be that the US as the host country demanded two things:

1) that immigrants go through a legal process to achieve citizenship

2) that those same immigrants assimilate into US culture & values and the citizenship they would achieve would give them all the same rights as someone who came off the Mayflower.


Under the left's management the US as host country is open to everyone coming, they don't have to assimilate (after all: who are we to judge them) and the people whose first act was to violate our immigration laws go to the head of the line before those trying to apply for citizenship legally and they are instantly entitled to American benefits.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3  Nerm_L    11 months ago

Don't we neuter feral cats?  It's the humane thing to do, after all.

Keep in mind that abortion is considered vital health care in California.  Aren't they trying to make assisted suicide a health service, too?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @3    11 months ago

“Don't we neuter feral cats?  It's the humane thing to do, after all.”

“There are no judges, only avengers.”                ~ Josef Mengele 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    11 months ago

Bus ‘em there.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5  Jeremy Retired in NC    11 months ago

Sounds like a valid reason to begin sending illegals to California.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6  Snuffy    11 months ago

The more I've thought about this, my thinking has changed. Federal law mandates that emergency services be provided regardless of the ability to pay for said services. Providing this may reduce the number of immigrants who end up in the emergency rooms which is more expensive.  So this may be cheaper in the long run.

 
 
 
goose is back
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6.1  goose is back  replied to  Snuffy @6    11 months ago
So this may be cheaper in the long run.

No, it won't.  Health care is not the only service they use!!!!!

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.1  CB  replied to  goose is back @6.1    11 months ago

Well, I hope immigrants (legal and illegal allowed to stay in the U.S.) don't contaminate and/or infect anybody you know with whatsoever they come down with while not being medically assisted or  'served.' Prevention is worth a pound of cure!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @6    11 months ago
So this may be cheaper in the long run.

I don't think that even a remote possibility.  California's experience says otherwise, and California is  projecting a significant increase in expenses:

This expansion is  projected to cost  more than $835 million in the next six months and $2.6 billion every year thereafter. Previous expansions, which opened the door to more than 1.1 million undocumented enrollees, cost the state approximately $1.6 billion annually, according to  past Legislative Analysis Office reports

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2    11 months ago

Except California is allowing more and more illegal immigrants into their state. I think this might be cheaper than those same people being treated at emergency rooms rather than a doctor's office.  I don't like the way this administration is allowing illegal immigrants into the country but they will use health services somewhere. 

I'll admit I don't have a good answer. Maybe if I was in power I could change things but I'm just one voice on a site.

 
 
 
CB
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7  CB    11 months ago

Okay, this article reads one-sided. That is, it emphasizes the negative with mentioning any of the positives of providing help care to incoming immigrants. Some who may have devastating medical problems ahead of acceptance into the country. And, mentioning "emergency care" versus comprehensive care does not clarify that emergency room care is sufficient to catch infectious diseases in time.

Somebody really ought to explain why the GOP likes to take ideological stances which pit people against other people. After all, at the end of the day, people are what matters and the GOP likes to cast itself as "for the people." Of this country yes of course, but there are people languishing at the threshold of our door too!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  CB @7    11 months ago

Good point. healthcare is unlimited so there's no possible tradeoffs to american citizens by incentivizing more people to use it for no cost.  No one ever waits for care now, right?  In fact American taxpayers should just pay for everyone in the world's healthcare and send our providers around the globe to ensure their convenience. Since people are what matters, how you even draw a line at giving free health care to non americans in america.  People outside america are people too!

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.1  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    11 months ago

Curious. You start out in a form of agreement on the point or points shared. But, then you launch into what I can best describe as a cynical response. In doing so you provided nothing of value as a basis for solution and understanding

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @7    11 months ago
Somebody really ought to explain why the GOP likes to take ideological stances which pit people against other people.

Exactly, we have so much money saved up that we not only can provide these medical benefits but should provide them to all the poor citizens in Central and South America.  It’s only right.

 
 
 
CB
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7.2.1  CB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2    11 months ago

I won't defend what I have not offered. It benefits the United States to keep infectious people (in and around us) as well as we can as a practical matter.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

No one says they have to be at the front of the line for medical care, but having sick/ill/infectious people in the midst or on the peripheral surfaces of this country can launch or escalate sickness within the country.

Cost is what it is. And yes it would be better or best if the people simply stay at home . . . alas they do not. The best hope is they get here, treated for their conditions, and move off the welfare rolls as soon as possible.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @7.2.1    11 months ago

Cost is what it is. And yes it would be better or best if the people simply stay at home . . . alas they do not. The best hope is they get here, treated for their conditions, and move off the welfare rolls as soon as possible.

I think that there is a limit to our national debt and when we approach that limit, folks won't want to risk their money loaning us more.
 
 
 
CB
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7.2.3  CB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.2    11 months ago

I don't know what that debt limit is, though it is too high already. In my opinion. As this is a discussion about the application of health care and medicine to indigent immigrants who are coming here or are here already. . . then we need to concern ourselves with what to do with sick people lounging on our  national 'stoops.'  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @7.2.3    11 months ago
I don't know what that debt limit is, though it is too high already. In my opinion. As this is a discussion about the application of health care and medicine to indigent immigrants who are coming here or are here already. . . then we need to concern ourselves with what to do with sick people lounging on our  national 'stoops.'  

I think that it is irresponsible to agree to more annual costs without agree for a way to pay for it.

 
 
 
CB
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7.2.5  CB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.4    11 months ago

I will agree. But, you have not confronted the prevention aspect for sick people who are resting on our national thresholds. It's not something to be easily glossed over for financial considerations. We, as a nation, can get very sick in general from these incoming people.  Worse, we won't detect the cause of our new cases of sickness and disease among the immigration if we don't have the means to look 'first.'

What we are effectively discussing is making the best of a bad situation already in process. The government makes immigration policy/ies. Thus, until they do something constructive about the immigrants arriving and resting on our national "stoops" at the least lets make sure they are well enough to come in when they do enter!

 
 
 
charger 383
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8  charger 383    11 months ago

More tuna fish to attract feral cats

 
 
 
CB
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8.1  CB  replied to  charger 383 @8    11 months ago

This seems to be a means of discussing people which strips them of their humanity. Ultimately, the first and foremost thing we are relatable to is our humanity. Do not let anybody persuade you to strip it away!

I do think the cost is high on these sorts of provisions. Yes, I do wish very much that these migrants in the thousands would stay back home, but the solution is not to merely "de-humanize" and sanitize ourselves towards other people. We have to engage these vexing issues of the day. Congress! It has the power and needs to fix this. As we see, letting it linger. .. fester. . . has not caused it to just go away on its own.

 
 

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