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Harvard professor says 'all hell broke loose' when his study found no racial bias in police shootings | Fox News

  
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Harvard professor says 'all hell broke loose' when his study found no racial bias in police shootings | Fox News
Harvard Economics Professor Roland Fryer said "all hell broke loose" after he released a study on racial bias in policing that colleagues told him not to publish.

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A Harvard professor said that "all hell broke loose" and he was forced to go out in public with armed security after he published a study that found no evidence of racial bias in police shootings.

During a sit-down conversation with Bari Weiss of The Free Press, Harvard Economics Professor Roland Fryer discussed the fallout from a 2016 study he published on racial bias in Houston policing.

The study found that police were more than twice as likely to manhandle, beat or use some other kind of nonfatal force against blacks and Hispanics than against people of other races. However, the data also determined that officers were 23.8 percent less likely to shoot at blacks and 8.5 percent less likely to shoot at Hispanics than they were to shoot at whites.

When Fryer claimed the data showed "no racial differences in officer-involved shootings," he said, "all hell broke loose," and his life was upended.

Fryer received the first of many complaints and threats four minutes after publication.

"You're full of s—t," the sender said.

Fryer said people quickly "lost their minds" and some of his colleagues refused to believe the results after months of asking him not to print the data.

"I had colleagues take me to the side and say, 'Don't publish this. You'll ruin your career,'" Fryer revealed.

The world-renowned economist knew from comments by faculty that he was likely to garner backlash. Fryer admitted that he anticipated the results of the study would be different and would confirm suspicions of racial bias against minorities. When the results found no racial bias, Fryer hired eight new assistants and redid the study. The data came back the same.

After the report was published, Fryer lived under police protection for over a month. He had a seven-day-old daughter at the time and went shopping for diapers.

Former Harvard President Claudine Gay, who made headlines for refusing to say if genocide of Jews was against Harvard policy during a congressional hearing, was also accused of multiple accounts of plagiarism.(Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

"I was going to the grocery store to get diapers with the armed guard. It was crazy. It was really, truly crazy," he said.

Fryer, who became the youngest tenured Black professor at Harvard at age 30, was suspended for two years from the university in 2019 after he allegedly engaged in "unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature. He continues to deny the allegations.

At the time, then-Harvard dean Claudine Gay claimed Fryer's research and conduct with other employees "exhibited a pattern of behavior" that failed to meet expectations within the community.

"The totality of these behaviors is a clear violation of institutional norms and a betrayal of the trust," she said.

Gay resigned from her position as Harvard president in early January after widespread plagiarism allegations and criticism of her testimony to Congress, where she failed to fully clarify whether calling for the genocide of Jews violates Harvard's policies against bullying and harassment.

Weiss, referencing Gay in her conversation with Fryer, asked him if he believes in karma.

"I hear it's a motherf---er," he replied.

Harvard did not return Fox News Digital's request for comment,

Nikolas Lanum is an associate editor for Fox News Digital.


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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    9 months ago

That's gonna leave a mark.................

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Yup it was Claudine Gay who tried to censor him, and it was Obama who tried to save Gay's job.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    9 months ago

Sure, Obama was our first DEI President.   Probably not our last unfortunately.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @2.1    9 months ago

The great divider. Remember his coalition?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    9 months ago

Yep, government by community organizers …..

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.3  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1    9 months ago

There is no problem with DEI, if you want to be someone who brings people together. Just think about it. Diversity, equity (for all), and inclusion is what we are in the United States. We are not one and the same. We are a multiplicity of beings in this country. Thus, we don't look like most nations, especially those nations that won't let "others" become citizens from outside the country. Stop laboring to make a toxic word out of DEI!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.4  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.2    9 months ago

Wow. You meant that to be low and sarcastic, but that community organizer best the GOP and didn't even get impeached for doing so (in eight years)!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.4    9 months ago

yeah impeachment used to really mean something before Pelosi and Trump.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @2.1.3    9 months ago
There is no problem with DEI

The problem with DEI is that it puts emphasis on the wrong things.  A person's experience and qualifications are more important than checking a block to meet some bullshit about a person's skin color or what ever the feel good item is for the day.

You want more people from a specific demographic represented in the work place.  Encourage them to get the needed experience and qualificaitons.  Don't demand they are hired just because they are (insert feel good item of the day).

DEI is Affirmative Action 2.0.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.7  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.6    9 months ago
A person's experience and qualifications are more important than checking a block to meet some bullshit about a person's skin color or what ever the feel good item is for the day.

DEI emphasizes a positive change in our society for the better! People such as yourself keep going on and on about how people should get involved in society and then pounce on them for getting involved in society. The amount of labeling and name-calling is obscene. Do get priorities straight!

Furthermore, I won't let you denigrate affirmative action in my "presence" either. As some of the amazing progress that lifted "Americans" out of the ghetto were do to affirmative action used for GOOD! It was/is a tool that serves the nation well. 

As for our White citizens, you lose nothing in the majority to minorities, simply because they succeed. The country succeeds as goals are met and not just slighted!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @2.1.7    9 months ago
DEI emphasizes a positive change in our society for the better!

Only if you place the feel good item of the day over experience and qualification.

People such as yourself keep going on and on about how people should get involved in society and then pounce on them for getting involved in society.

People like myself hire based on experience and qualification not DEI or Affirmative Action.  There is too much riding on our jobs than appeasing some special interest group.

Do get priorities straight!

They are.  Just because you don't like them isn't my concern.

I won't let you denigrate affirmative action in my "presence" either. 

Oh no!!!!  What will I ever do?!?!?!  Oh, that's right, same thing I always do.  Dismiss your rants about me as pathetic and lacking experience and / or qualification.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.7    9 months ago
DEI emphasizes a positive change in our society for the better

Not even close to the truth.

Affirmative action has gone stale and useless.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.10  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.8    9 months ago
Only if you place the feel good item of the day over experience and qualification

That is one-man's negative perspective. Try the positive approach. Incidentally, unless you have departed from the human race. . .feelings follow you all day though out the day. Heck! Feelings even dog your steps here.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.11  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.8    9 months ago

You hire and fire based on qualification (merit).  I suppose we will never know for sure about any of it. We only have your word for it. [deleted]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @2.1.10    9 months ago
Try the positive approach.

I do.  I place experience and qualification over skin color and what ever the feel good item of the day is.  Hasn't failed me yet.  

Incidentally, unless you have departed from the human race. . .feelings follow you all day though out the day.

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CB
Professor Principal
2.1.13  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.12    9 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.1.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @2.1.11    9 months ago
You hire and fire based on qualification (merit).

You need me to explain what "qualification" means? I mean, it's not that hard to figure out.

I suppose we will never know for sure about any of it. We only have your word for it.

You can find out.  All you have to do is figure out what Company I work for, where in the Company I work and apply.  Just remember, I won't even consider you if you don't meet the minimum qualifications and experience.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.15  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.14    9 months ago

Full of shit. I have no interest in what you do for yourself or anybody else. You brought you UP AND INTO a message TRADED off by another writer addressed. So deal with yourself!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @2.1.13    9 months ago
Judging from the comments and the impression left .

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @2.1.15    9 months ago

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goose is back
Junior Guide
2.1.18  goose is back  replied to  CB @2.1.13    9 months ago
removed for context

How in this world did you come to that conclusion?  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.19  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.16    9 months ago

More ad hominem attacks, I see. Yawn.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.20  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.4    9 months ago

Nope ….. on numerous levels

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.21  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.20    9 months ago

Rhetoric.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.21    9 months ago

Nope.    Matter of fact.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.23  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.22    9 months ago

There were no facts provided. Just Rhetoric.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.23    9 months ago
There were no facts provided.

And where are your facts?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.23    9 months ago

Facts are always self evident to those who chose to see them through unbiased eyes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.25    9 months ago
Facts are always self evident to those who chose to see them through unbiased eyes.

Facts are easy to ignore if they don't support leftist theories.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.27  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.25    9 months ago

More rhetoric. Less facts.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.1.28  Ronin2  replied to  CB @2.1.3    9 months ago
Diversity, equity (for all), and inclusion is what we are in the United States.

WTF.

Diversity is only good if it is natural and not forced. Forced diversity such as favoritism based on race, religion, etc is flat out wrong. You can't favor one group of people over another and claim to be a free society. Notice you left that word out in your description of the Untied States- free.

Equity instead of equality. There is a major difference between the two.

WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF EQUITY?

Equity, in its simplest terms as it relates to racial and social justice, means meeting communities where they are and allocating resources and opportunities as needed to create equal outcomes for all community members.

WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF EQUALITY?

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources and opportunities, regardless of their circumstances. In social and racial justice movements, equality can actually   increase   inequities in communities as not every group of people needs the same resources or opportunities allocated to them in order to thrive.

Achieving equity creates inequality. You can't take from one group and give to another. Marxism was a complete failure. 

> The whole phrase "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is precisely against equality - it recognizes that people have different abilities, talents, capabilities, and things happening in the course of life, and it recognizes that people have different needs, wishes, and desires.

This is not the kind of equality the poster was talking about. Forcing equality at government level does not mean forcing everyone to have equal IQ and work ethic. It means ignoring those differences and forcing everyone to get the same benefit in life even though some are less productive than others ("to each according to his need"). "Equality of outcomes" as another poster put it.

Ask Asians trying to get access to college scholarships and entrance how equity is working out for them.

As for inclusion. Inclusion is what has brought us boys having rights to use girls bathrooms and locker rooms. And to compete again against CIS girls in female sports. Look at all of the good done by that./S

What ever happened to "My freedom ends where yours begins"?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.1.29  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    9 months ago

"Affirmative action has gone stale and useless.".

Yep, used and abused far too much.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.30  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.28    9 months ago

I don't even know which 'end' to start with this. Let me take a breath and. . . okay, wade in: 

You started out with: "WTF" - I don't appreciate it. I am not amused by it as your opening. You are free to add it to your comment and I am free to tell you that I find it gratuitous in this case.

Diversity is only good if it is natural and not forced. Forced diversity such as favoritism based on race, religion, etc is flat out wrong.

Diversity in our country expresses itself as a multiplicity of peoples who are from across over a hundred nations, but whom CHOOSE to be ONE together in a larger community . This is undeniable.

Our nation has had its 'enduring' problems with tribalism and its related companion themes. It is beyond the scope of this thread, nevertheless.

You can't favor one group of people over another and claim to be a free society. Notice you left that word out in your description of the Untied States- free.

I left nothing out, because I mention freedom/liberty/privilege in plenty of my comments—so much so that I can leave it out from time to time to avoid excessive repetition and over-saturation. That written, our freedom (yours included) is not free as evidenced by the many laws governing activities and behaviors in our country. Please RESPECT this and not vainly return with a 'fury' of freedom platitudes. 

Equity instead of  equality. There is a major difference between the two.

What I wrote in my comment about this: 

Diversity, equity (for all), and inclusion is what we are in the United States.

Pay attention, this time, to the wording "for all." It means we should be good to each other as ONE PEOPLE (out of many-One) interested in the wellness and fairing of themselves. We are One people who can AFFORD to make sure we all do well. Because when that happens: everybody not just one group or the other 'wins.' Put another way: If you want to be One people time is ripe to act and talk like it!

Achieving equity creates inequality. You can't take from one group and give to another. 

Equity is not about outcomes, first and foremost

Equity is a "leveling of an otherwise KNOWN unlevel playing field or fields. That is, our system of capitalism-good as it is-allows for gross inequalities for millions operating within its doctrine. Thus, like a good legislature/government/court people plead their individual lack to the larger community to get out from under all sorts of stubborn economic and social problems that arise inherently in capitalistic settings.

I will leave the Marxism statement/rendering you suggest for discussion out of my remarks, because it is beyond the scope (and a leap) of equity and equality in a country that has a capitalistic economy.

Please consider the above point before you lash out in reply. Because I do not wish to get embroiled in a definition dispute for its own sake. 

The Asians/Transpeople discussion is for another article and should be reserved.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    9 months ago

So much for DEI. He's not stereotypical enough to be diverse I guess. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    9 months ago

See 2.1.3.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  CB @3.1    9 months ago

See 2.1.20

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4  Jeremy Retired in NC    9 months ago
A Harvard professor said that "all hell broke loose" and he was forced to go out in public with armed security after he published a study that found no evidence of racial bias in police shootings.

He went against the lefts narrative.  Of course there would be threats of violence..

At the time, then-Harvard dean Claudine Gay claimed Fryer's research and conduct with other employees "exhibited a pattern of behavior" that failed to meet expectations within the community.

That's hilarious coming from Gay.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5  CB    9 months ago
Shooting at traffic stop by Trooper over seat belt violation

Youtube comment: 

ALL THE PEOPLE BLAMING THE COP ARE WRONG.ITS THE DRIVERS FAULT. NOBODY FORCED HIM TO BE BLACK. WHAT IS HE BLACK FOR?

The officer never apologizes to his victim, who is apologizing (in agony) profusely. When one is shot at so 'completely' (and survive) you will reflect on the why and how come.

The director of the state’s public safety department explained why Groubert was fired.

“While Mr. Groubert was within the law to stop Mr. Jones for a safety-belt violation, the force administered in this case was unwarranted, inconsistent with how our troopers are trained and clearly in violation of department policies,” the director, Leroy Smith, said in summarizing his agency’s findings, according to The State newspaper.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5    9 months ago

Wow, does that disprove the study?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    9 months ago

The study proves what Houston is like according to the researchers surveys and ride alongs

Houston is 45% Hispanic 24% black and 24% white.  

Police officers 44% Hispanic, 38% white  18% black

Unfortunately other surveys have found that Houston is more dangerous.

Based on population, a Black person was  5.7x as likely  and a Latinx person was  1.8x as likely  to be killed by police as a White person in Houston from 2013-21. Police Scorecard: Houston, TX

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.1    9 months ago

So, does it disprove the study?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    9 months ago

That would be a logical conclusion.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.3    9 months ago

Perhaps you merely overlooked my question that was in response to post 5, but I sure would love it if you could provide any details on how that post disproves the study.

After all, that is the only question I asked and your posts seem wholly unrelated to mine or his.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6  CB    9 months ago
the data also determined that officers were 23.8 percent less likely to shoot at blacks and 8.5 percent less likely to shoot at Hispanics than they were to shoot at whites.

That fact is fine. . . (if white people are okay with being shot (at) by police in such large numbers). . . but, it says nothing about the experience(s) of the others wounded/kill. They and their kin and the general public ask "WHY?" . . . as is the case in the relevant video at 5 above: WHY?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7  CB    9 months ago
The study found that police were more than twice as likely to manhandle, beat or use some other kind of nonfatal force against blacks and Hispanics than against people of other races.

I don't want to be "black-handled" by any Police (because s/he disapproves of my being), at-known "twice" as much so. Nor beat. Nor "some other kind of force" - just because of my skin. 

 
 

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