Abbott responds to NYC mayor's invitation to spend the night in a migrant shelter
By: Sarah Fortinsky
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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) slammed New York City Mayor Eric Adams's (D) invitation to stay at a migrant shelter in New York during his visit to the Big Apple, calling it a "gimmick" in an interview on Thursday.
"The invitation is nothing more than a gimmick," Abbott said during an interview on Fox News's "Hannity" on Thursday.
"And what I will suggest to the mayor of New York is there are people dying on his watch," Abbott continued. "Law enforcement officers are being gunned down by people that have been arrested 20 times, and he needs to take charge and make sure they keep behind bars dangerous criminals who are killing his fellow New Yorkers."
Abbott was likely referring to an NYPD officer, Jonathan Diller, who was recently killed at a traffic stop by a man who allegedly had been arrested reportedly 21 times, nine for felonies. The suspect had been released from prison in September 2021 after serving nearly five years.
Earlier on Thursday, Adams announced the city has continued to see a dramatic decline in crime, consistent with the year-over-year trend in most other large cities in the country.
Adams, at a press conference on Thursday, was asked about Abbott's scheduled trip to New York, where he spoke later on Thursday at a Republican fundraiser.
"I'm going to offer him a stay in one of the HERRCs, so he can see what he has created and understand how we are treating people with the dignity and respect that he should have shown," Adams said during a press conference Thursday, referring to a Humanitarian Emergency Response and Relief Centers (HERRC) set up to house migrants amid an influx in recent months.
"I'm not quite sure why he's here and what he's doing while here," Adams said. "But he's going to see how you can manage the crisis with coordination."
The remarks are the latest escalation in the feud between the two public figures as they both have continued to deal with a surge in migration. Abbott has been sending buses of migrants to New York and has drawn criticism from Adams and others for deploying the tactic without giving notice.
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Adams needs to fix his shithole city before calling ANYBODY out.
The idea that abbot Creted this crisis is as brazen a lie as one can utter.
You do have to admit the hypocrisy in that is hilarious.
Just because Democrat run bastions of stupidity have stopped prosecuting real criminals committing real crimes doesn't mean crime is on the decline.
Why doesn't Adams take a trip down to the southern border so he can see first hand that New York is only getting a small fraction of the illegal immigrants that the border states are. I am sure that it can be arranged for Adams to spend the night in one of the Fed detention centers overnight that are standing room only.
This is a stupid statement. Prosecutions decline when crime declines. The number of crimes would increase if they were not prosecuting criminals. The collection of stats on crime is not predicated on the actions of the justice system.
Prosecutions also decline when police case clearance rate declines.
Sixty years ago, more than ninety percent of murders were solved, generally resulting in an arrest. By 1990, the percentage fell into the sixties. Then, by 2020—as the number of homicides surged—the national clearance rate dropped to about 50 percent for the first time ever.
Homicides have also declined as trauma centers got closer and better at saving shooting victims. Less killed while more shot.
That's not how it works. One of the great things about the show the Wire is it perfectly encapsulates how cities respond to pressure over crime and how they juke the numbers.
Making robberies into larcenies. Making rapes disappear. You juke the stats, and majors become colonels.
Saw a post today from a New York lawyer talking about he had a client who had been brutally assaulted twice in the last year. One wasn't prosecuted and one, despite being an obvious felony, was written up as a misdemeanor. People stop reporting crime when nothing happens when they report it. Its a waste of time.
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Unfortunately true, but this does not affect crime collection stats either. I'm glad you posted this though. I didn't know about the clearance rate decline. I've been reading about that. We really seem to be a doomed society.
No, it affects prosecution stats.
People in NYC are pretty interested in the police. When 'Defund the Police' was making its rounds we laughed at those idiots and hired more police. You're looking at a TV show from the mid-aughts -- it's a different world now. Everyone carries a video recorder and the prevalence of social media makes that shit a lot harder. Plus, you have reporters constantly probing police actions. I'm sure people are juking stats, but is murder being recategorized as extreme theft? Just as gun violence groups aggregate news stories to collect stats, others are undoubtedly doing the same to keep FBI stats pretty honest.
That’s not true according to the NYC website. The NYPD hit it’s peak in uniforms in 2019.
Abbott didn’t created the conditions that encourage illegal migration, and he didn’t create the conditions making our border so porous.
Neither did Adams, or any president for that matter. The 'conditions' driving people here have been created in the source countries and by the availability of work here. Our inability to stem, or even significantly affect, the flow of illegal drugs north and illegal guns south is a further demonstration of the futility of fighting demand.
Brandon and the Democrats have been ringing the dinner gong since the 2020 Democrat primaries.
The numbers of illegals heading to border have increased in response.
Brandon rolled back Trump's border policies the second he took office.
Illegals have been taking advantage of the wide open southern border ever since.
The Brandon administration has taken to court any state that tries to enforce their borders- first Arizona, and now Texas.
Brandon has done nothing to enforce our borders or immigration laws. Illegals know it.
Brandon and Democrats are a major part of the problem. It they weren't catering to illegals then the illegals would stop coming.
Total bullshit. As I posted elsewhere in this thread, people coming north increased massively during the Trump administration; especially in the third year of his presidency. All his rhetoric, cruelty and unsustainable policies did nothing to slow the flow. The number of encounters had been stable for years and then massively increased while Trump was bloviating. And of course, as the flow increases so do the number who make it, otherwise the flow would subside.
Trump's stupidity of going after people who've been here for decades slowed/stopped the ejection of illegals who newly made it into the country. The long term residents were established and had the money to use the courts to clog up the internal ejections. So, if you made it into the country, and many did, Trump fucked up the system that had been tracking those people down and ejecting them.
'Wide-open borders' is BS. Where Trump ejected maybe 400K with Title 42, Biden ejected well over 2M. Biden used Title 42 until the day the courts took it away from him. Trump ejected about 3M total, Biden ejected 5.7M in the first 3 years. The massive flow north began with Trump and has been worsened by the Pandemic. Congress put together a bipartisan bill to empower CBP agents to eject, and give the President the power to shut down asylum seekers, but Trump instructed Republicans to vote against it. The bill went down in the service of Trump, and for NO OTHER REASON. We could be ejecting far more illegals, but team 'R' doesn't give a shit about the problem beyond complaining.
If you want to see massive, compare 2019 to 2021-23.
I pointed those stats, although I used CBP.org as the source. My point was and is that Trump's rhetoric and actions didn't stop the massive rise in attempts. In addition to what was happening under Trump, Biden also has to deal with the damage done to third world economies by the Pandemic. The third world suffered far worse than us. Anyway, Trump saw a rise of 118% in encounters in his first three years -- after half a dozen years of stability. The rise under Biden through his first 3 years over 2019 was 178% -- not unexpected given world events. It is a huge number of people, but 5.7 million were expelled under Biden. The additional power given to CBP agents combined with a new Presidential power to turn off asylum would have helped a lot. But those things are not law and you know exactly why that is.
Where did you find the number?
“U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported more than 142,000 immigrants in fiscal year 2023, nearly double the number from the year before, as the Biden administration ramped up enforcement to stem illegal border crossings, according to the agency's annual report, published Friday.”
I got the number from CBP.gov, see link below. I added the number for "U.S. Border Patrol Total Encounters" for '21, '22 & '23. I notice that there is a partial number for '24 now. The total is now 6.7M.
This is a massive problem and our current laws are screwing the US. Giving border patrol agents the ability to eject people on their own and allowing the President to shutdown asylum requests would have helped a lot. Conservatives are angry about what's happening, but not angry enough to do something about it that wouldn't be personally beneficial to Trump. I really feel that conservatives need to STFU until they can point to useful anything, let alone legislation. Shutting down that legislation was ringing the dinner bell for illegals.
CBP enforcement actions don’t equal expelling.
CBP officers caught them and then they have to obey the laws. An excellent bipartisan effort to give them better laws was made and rejected because that rejection *might* be beneficial to Trump only. One of the many sacrifices of this country on the altar of Trump.
Again, where did you get you deportation numbers as they are grossly inaccurate.
"WASHINGTON — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) today released the fiscal year 2023 (FY 2023) annual report, which highlights the agency’s primary mission areas of interior immigration enforcement and combatting transnational crime. ICE simultaneously launched its first ever online statistical dashboard for increased transparency into the agency’s operations.
This year, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) nearly doubled immigration enforcement arrests and increased removals for those with no legal basis to remain in the country from the totals cited in last year’s report. ICE ERO’s 142,580 removals and 62,545 Title 42 expulsions to more than 170 countries worldwide in Fiscal Year 2023 reflect increased capacity and agreements to conduct removals and returns – particularly after the lifting of the Title 42 public health emergency on May 12. Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) continued to lead efforts to disrupt the fentanyl supply chain and precursor chemicals with the seizure of 1.2 million pounds of narcotics, as well as identifying and assisting 1,806 victims of child exploitation, furthering one of the new enduring missions of the Department of Homeland Security."
I shouldn't have used the work expelled, as they are actually people encountered by CBP. It's hard to find expulsion data. I did find a page for 2021 (link below) where they do list 1.04M expulsions, but for the 619K processed under Title 8, they don't break the number down further. In 2021 to date, CBP encountered 6.7M immigrants; my point is that CBP is doing the best it can given the current options our outdated laws make available to them. Congress needs to act, but as long as the status quo suits the conservative's god, complaining is all conservatives will do.
Biden keeps ignoring existing law, what makes you think he'll obey new ones?
This influx of illegals is entirely on Biden and Dems.
Didn't that senile old fool Biden sue Abbott to take barriers down from the border? Maybe someone should tell Adams that Immigration is a Biden problem not an Abbott problem, but odds are he isn't intelligent enough to understand it.
You know they have to place blame everywhere EXCEPT Biden. They can't call out Traitor Joe like that.
CBP encounters were stable for the last 4 years of the Obama presidency (450K-500K). In the first year of the Trump presidency it was 527K — still stable. Then it rose 30% in his second year to 683K. In his third year it rose 68% to 1.15M. It dropped in 2020 because of the Pandemic. In 2021, we had whatever was causing the massive rise under Trump + pent up demand from 2020 + the damage done by the Pandemic, it rose 65% over 2019 (2 year rise) to 1.9M. A disaster that started in 2018.
Trump’s rhetoric, cruelty & unsustainable ‘policies’ didn’t stop the increasing attempts of illegal immigration. There was a bipartisan bill to give CBP agents more power to eject people and it gave the President the power to close down our idiotic unlimited asylum policy. The CBP union lobbied heavily for this legislation because it was badly needed. But, Trump doesn’t care about anyone but himself, so he instructed conservative pols to vote against their own legislation.
If you actually care about the border problem, maybe consider not voting for sackless pols who live in Trump’s ass under the constant threat of being shat out and flushed.
How many of those encounters made it into the country under Trump?
Now compare that number to what Brandon is letting in.
Do you have verifiable stats for this? Policies like Title 42 ejections and Remain in Mexico are not solutions because they have a limited life. If a path in doesn't work, they'll develop a new path. Because we don't change our asylum system (entirely because of Republicans in the service of Trump), people will continue to come.
The drug cartels have discovered that their ability to circumvent our border protections is even more valuable when transporting people. They are running 'travel agencies' which book a flight to Mexico, transportation to the US border, and transport into the interior of the US. GWB & Obama realized that you had to also tackle this problem at the source. I believe there were about 1.6M encountered at the beginning of the GWB administration which dropped into the 450K range by the middle of Obama's presidency. We were helping South American countries stem gang violence in their cities and cartel violence in the countryside. We were helping their economies grow.
Trump, being an idiot, cut off funding for these efforts to punish South American countries for 'sending' their people to the US -- governments in South America were not sending people here. Those people were coming to escape violence and for jobs.
"I'm going to offer him a stay in one of the HERRCs, so he can see what he has created and understand how we are treating people with the dignity and respect that he should have shown," Adams said
Maybe Adams should stay in one of the HERRCs himself to see what is really going on there and reflect that he is the one proclaiming NYC is a sanctuary city so the only one to blame for being used as a sanctuary city is himself.
Kinda like shipping immigrants all over the country on the taxpayers dime.
No, that's not a gimmick. It was a stroke of genius. Sharing is caring after all...
It was a political gimmick Greg.
It was in the best interest of the people in Texas
Who’s dime should we use to get a dispersion?
When DeSantis & Abbott shipped about 15K to NYC, about 93K had already made their way there on their own that year. There are jobs there -- Adams didn't ship these people anywhere, he asked for expedited working papers to make them useful.
Right./S
Adams is doing the same damn thing; but the communities he is sending illegals to aren't sanctuary. Where is your condemnation?
None of your post contradicts mine. NYC is big, but it does not have unlimited capacity which is why our asylum system must change. Adams isn't sending these people to other states as political stunts. NYC's capacity has been exceeded and he needs to move people to other NY towns. If we're going to permit unlimited asylum requests, the Federal gov't needs to provide the funding to handle that. Or, conservatives could vote for people with the balls to enact bipartisan legislation addressing this problem rather than serving Trump's personal desires.
Actually it does. You claim that Adams didn't ship people anywhere. He did- as I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Border states don't have unlimited resources; but they are baring the brunt of Brandon's policies on borders and immigration. Think the federal government is funding them?
Fuck Brandon and the Democrats for causing this mess. They created it. They won't clean up their damn mess; so it is time for them to fucking go.
Bullshit. The massive increase in border encounters began in 2018. Going from 527K encounters in 2017 to 1.15M in 2019 -- in spite of Trump's cruelty & unsustainable nonsense. The Pandemic hit the 3rd world hard and made this problem much worse. Bipartisan legislation giving CBP officers the ability to reject immigrants on their own and allow the President to shut down asylum seekers was rejected by gutless Republicans because Trump threatened them if they did anything to help solve this problem.
Rejecting this legislation was Republicans ringing the dinner bell for for asylum seekers. Asylum seekers can still take advantage of our broken system. The people being bussed by Abbott & DeSantis to NYC were asylum seekers. The world situation and our outdated immigration laws have caused this problem and *conservatives* have seen to it that nothing will be done to correct course. Democrats are actually trying to correct this mess, it is Republicans who need to fucking go as they are worse than useless. Republicans are preventing any solution.
You mean like the 300,000 plus that were flown into Florida secretly in the dark of night, from the country of origin, by this idiocy administration...just to make it look like border encounters were going down?
It seems Biden is shipping illegals all over the country on the taxpayers dime.
‘Illegal program’: Governor vows to fight Biden flying migrants into US (msn.com)
Why doesn't Mayor Eric Adam spend a night on the border?