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Biden gives the Supreme Court —and taxpayers — the finger with his latest student-loan bailout

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  8 months ago  •  61 comments

By:   Brad Polumbo

Biden gives the Supreme Court —and taxpayers — the finger with his latest student-loan bailout
Biden's mega-billions giveaway to voters via student debt forgiveness will hurt all Americans. Biden is doing all this and essentially giving the Supreme Court the middle finger.

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When the Supreme Court struck down Joe Biden's attempt to unilaterally "cancel" (i.e., force taxpayers to absorb) $400 billion in student loans and blasted the president for overstepping his power by trying to circumvent Congress, he listened and, like a serious statesman, acknowledged his authority's limits and tried to get the legislative branch to pass his agenda, as the Constitution demands.

Just kidding.

Congress, which has the "power of the purse," has repeatedly rejected Biden's plans to force taxpayers to eat the loss for millions of Americans' student loans.

But instead of taking "No" for an answer, the president — who, recall, was supposed to put the "grown-ups back in charge" and restore "rule of law" — just keeps trying to cancel the debt anyway, first through a backdoor giveaway vastly expanding income-based repayment systems and now through another sweeping forgiveness proposal.

Under Biden's latest scheme, announced Monday, roughly 25 million more Americans will see student-loan windfalls, including the "cancellation" of interest owed for households earning as much as $240,000 a year, cancellation for anyone who's had student loans for a long time and a number of other targeted relief efforts.

"President Biden from Day One has worked to fix the student loan system and make sure higher education is a ticket to the middle class — not a barrier to opportunity — because he knows that debt cancellation not only benefits borrowers, it benefits the entire economy," the White House stated.

This is, as Joe loves to say, malarkey.

The real rationale behind this continued bailout push has nothing to do with economics or "fixing the system."

It is a raw, cynical, blatant gambit to bribe young voters to get back on the Biden train after many have become increasingly disillusioned with the administration over its position on the Israel-Hamas war.

This isn't some theory; it's apparent from the Biden administration's own actions.

To tout the initiative Monday, Biden himself went to Wisconsin, while Vice President Kamala Harris went to Pennsylvania, second gentleman Douglas Emhoff went to Arizona, and Education Secretary Miguel Cardona went to New York.

Notice anything about those states?

Except for New York, they all just happen to be swing states that will prove vital in November's presidential election.

Biden is really not hiding the fact he's intentionally trying to work around the Supreme Court and Congress to abuse the powers of his office to bribe young voters at taxpayers' expense — all with a policy that solves nothing and costs everyday Americans dearly.

Remember, there's no such thing as student-debt "cancellation."

Almost all student loans are owed to the federal government, meaning that if taxpayers aren't repaid, we're on the hook for the difference via more taxes or debt.

So every dollar Biden "generously" gives out in "relief" to college graduates comes directly or indirectly out of the pockets of working Americans who didn't go to college, already paid off their loans or made smart choices to avoid debt.

What's more, simply forcing taxpayers to eat the loss for people's loans does nothing to address the very real problem of exorbitant tuition rates.

It's essentially putting a Band-Aid on a bullet hole.

It might even worsen the problem, as colleges may respond to the administration's repeated bailout efforts by further jacking up their tuition prices.

Biden is doing all this and essentially giving the Supreme Court the middle finger.

Rather than accept the limits of his power after his last defeat or try to persuade Congress to support his agenda, he's simply seeking to exploit a different old statute to work around the system.

And if this effort, too, eventually gets struck down by the Supreme Court, well, it'll probably be after November!

It's simple: The president is touring the country to brag about wasting our money to bribe young voters while circumventing our constitutional order and making our actual problems worse.

With a campaign like that, who needs opposition research?


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    8 months ago

Borderline dictator?

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    8 months ago

No. Not even close. He's not breaking the law, he's trying to work ways around it like any other Administration has on a signature issue. 

Pandering to young educated liberals? For sure. Giving the finger to Republicans? Definitely. 

That said I think I read 11 states or more have filed suite to stop the newest idea. We will see if it holds up.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @1.1    8 months ago
No. Not even close. He's not flouting the law, he's trying to work ways around it like any other Administration has on a signature issue.

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Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @1.1    8 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @1.1    8 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @1.1    8 months ago
He's not breaking the law, he's trying to work ways around it

I can't believe anyone would say that.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.5  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    8 months ago
I can't believe anyone would say that.

How do you not understand the difference between the legality of loan forgiveness and the ruling about mechanisms used to fund it? The Supreme Court did not say student loan forgiveness was illegal. They ruled -

... that the policy exceeded the Secretary of Education’s (Secretary’s) statutory
authority under the Higher Education Relief Opportunities for Students Act of 2003 (HEROES) Act to
“waive or modify” laws and regulations applicable to student financial assistance in Title IV of the Higher
Education Act (HEA) in response to a national emergency.

Now they are exploring other ways to fund it other than the HEROS Act. It's not that hard.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @1.1.5    8 months ago
How do you not understand the difference between the legality of loan forgiveness

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Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    8 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    8 months ago

I thought the rule of law applied?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    8 months ago

No, not for Joe Biden. He tossed out immigration law on day 1 and has repeatedly violated Constitutional laws on separation of powers. It is election time and he needs to buy the votes of young people who have student loans. He intends to pay it with money from many Americans who weren't fortunate enough to attend college and if he is overruled by the SCOTUS again it may not matter, as long as it helps him win another election.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    8 months ago

So, as I suspected, it's selective.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3  Mark in Wyoming     8 months ago

I wonder, would these student loan forgiveness 's show up on say a credit report?

That could make things rather interesting when it comes to loans of any kind, even applications for rentals or housing.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3    8 months ago

Interesting but probably not.     Probably some woke MBA running those agencies right now.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

Who needs Congress when you have a dictator?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5  TᵢG    8 months ago

This is a bad policy.   Use the money (that we do not have in the first place) to help those with the aptitude and attitude but lack the financial resources to pursue the higher education they seek.   That helps grow a strong workforce and contribute better to the GDP.   Everyone wins.

Retroactive loan / interest forgiveness is counterproductive (and unfair).  

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @5    8 months ago
This is a bad policy.   ..and unfair..

As I posted on another thread yesterday... life is not fair and people get breaks for all kinds of good and bad reasons.

As for policy - I'd rather see something like Missouri's Public Service policy. There are areas, like health care (especially rural health care), that are underserved and finding ways to incentivize people to work in those areas would better serve the country. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  evilone @5.1    8 months ago
As I posted on another thread yesterday... life is not fair and people get breaks for all kinds of good and bad reasons.

But how dare he attempt to help out anyone who is not already a millionaire or a multi-billion dollar corporation.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @5.1    8 months ago
As I posted on another thread yesterday... life is not fair and people get breaks for all kinds of good and bad reasons.

I put and unfair in parenthesis for a reason.   I was noting that as a secondary concern.

As for policy - I'd rather see something like Missouri's Public Service policy. There are areas, like health care (especially rural health care), that are underserved and finding ways to incentivize people to work in those areas would better serve the country. 

I agree.   That now, is similar to the point I was making.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.3  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.2    8 months ago
I put and unfair in parenthesis for a reason.   I was noting that as a secondary concern.

Sure. I get it.

I agree.   That now, is similar to the point I was making.

Great minds and all that... LOL.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.1    8 months ago
e attempt to help out anyone who is not already a millionaire or a multi-billion dollar corporation.

By punishing all the non millionaires (and realistically, their kids)  and corporations who will now have to pay it.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    8 months ago
By punishing all the non millionaires (and realistically, their kids)  and corporations who will now have to pay it.

Taxes have already paid for it, and wouldn't you prefer your taxes to go to the benefit of the average American?  The money will be spent one place or another.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.5    8 months ago
Taxes have already paid for it,

HOw have they paid for new debts just incurred? and you understand we don't have the money to pay for the debts we already have right? 

 you prefer your taxes to go to the benefit of the average American?

I would prefer not burdening my descendants with the debts of people who borrowed unwisely. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.1    8 months ago

Yeah, like all the people who didn’t go to college.    For any like that who are paying attention Biden just crapped in his Cheerio’s again.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.5    8 months ago
go to the benefit of the average American?

If that were true he would be pandering to the real majority of Americans.     Americans that didn’t go to college.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.6    8 months ago
you understand we don't have the money to pay for the debts we already have right?

Something republicans only worry about during democrat administrations.

I would prefer not burdening my descendants with the debts of people who borrowed unwisely.

And yet you vote republican?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.9    8 months ago
Something republicans only worry about during democrat administrations.

Something Dems never worry about as we can just borrow more money.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.11  JBB  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.9    8 months ago

The [] has nothing but false grace regarding our deficit spending. Clinton left Bush a surplus and the rest is history!

Keep in mind that 2020 and 2021 fiscal years were Trump signed and and gop passed spending...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.9    8 months ago
mething republicans only worry about during democrat administrations.

Lol. Reality is still reality.   

And yet you vote republican?

So Presidents are solely responsible for the economy. At least for this post. 

Never mind that your little charts have nothing to do with debt, nor bear any relationship to a decision Biden  made on his own to burden future generations with debt. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @5.1.11    8 months ago

t 2020 and 2021 fiscal years were Trump signed and and gop passed spending...

Nancy Pelosi was speaker of the house for those budgets.  This is incredibly recent history. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @5.1.11    8 months ago

What a disingenuous piece of crap that meme is.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.14    8 months ago
hat a disingenuous piece of crap that meme is.

I think it's comedy. Only explanation. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.12    8 months ago
So Presidents are solely responsible for the economy.

Yes for Dems, Democrat Presidents are responsible for all good financial news during their Presidencies but not for any bad financial news.

It’s an amazing achievement.    Really amazing …..

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.16    8 months ago
for Dems, Democrat Presidents are responsible for all good financial news during their Presidencies but not for any bad financial news

The ping ponging from "Joe Biden created X amount of  jobs" to "Presidents have no control over the economy" when discussing inflation is a sight to behold. 

 
 
 
George
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5.1.18  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.17    8 months ago

And giving presidents credit or blame for deficits is the height of ignorance. When was the last time any Congress passed a president’s budget?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @5.1.18    8 months ago
nd giving presidents credit or blame for deficits is the height of ignorance.

It's even sillier, especially when there's rarely even unified control of Congress by the President's party and only Obama in the last 50 plus years has been able to pass a budget without having to worry about a filibuster from Senators who don't caucus with him. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.19    8 months ago

Al Gore doesn’t get enough credit for the Clinton economy:

  • His Internet invention allowed us to enjoy the big tech bubble of the 90’s
  • Social Security cost less than it took in tax dollars then, instead of spending that surplus, Gore wisely put in a lock box, for safe keeping until we needed it.
 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.21  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.14    8 months ago

Nope, it truthfully illustrates that Democrats give a lot back to the working class while the gop always sells workers out to give huge tax breaks to the very wealthy and big multinational corporations!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.22  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.15    8 months ago

If so then you could easily disprove it. We will all be waiting...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.23  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.17    8 months ago

The US leading the world economically post-Covid is the sight everyone is beholding, along with their retirement accounts...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.1.24  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.13    8 months ago
Nancy Pelosi was speaker of the house for those budgets.

Republican thinking =

If a republican is POTUS, the democratic congress is responsible for spending.

If a democratic is POTUS, POTUS is responsible for the spending.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.25  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.24    8 months ago

Who is responsible in 2022-2024?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.25    8 months ago

Responsibility is always shared between Congress and the PotUS.   The PotUS recommends, Congress authorizes spending, the PotUS signs the legislation.

IMO, the credit for fiscal responsibility in terms of authorizing limited spending goes mostly to Congress.   Thus the blame for authorizing excessive spending goes mostly to Congress.

The credit for responsible spending execution (where judgment is allowed) goes to the PotUS.    Thus the blame for excessive spending execution (where judgment is allowed) goes to the PotUS.

Putting this together, my opinion is that Congress should bear the majority of the credit / blame for spending.   I think mine is the majority opinion on this matter.

Article I, Section 8 of the CotUS:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin , and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.1.27  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.25    8 months ago

Who is responsible in 2022-2024?

The government, both sides of the aisle.   DUH

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.28  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.1    8 months ago
As for policy

As for policy, we need to get the Education Department out of the lending business and send it back to private institutions. Ever since Obama got government money involved the universities have continued to jack up the tuitions. Right now, we are on the verge of $100,000 a year to go to elite schools.

That was the bad policy.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.29  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @5.1.21    8 months ago

Nah, it’s disingenuous garbage.    Nothing more.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.30  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.20    8 months ago

Ah yes, the “lock box”    Who could forget that stroke of genius.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.31  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.17    8 months ago

More sleight of hand ….. presto chango …. Poof …. All better …..

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.32  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.27    8 months ago

Funny you never say that when a Republican is in charge.

Democrats control the Presidency and Senate.

The Republicans have a very narrow control of the House.

Look at the spending bill that just passed the House- it is a Democrat wish list of stupidity. Establishment Republicans sided with Democrats rather than their constituents to get the POS bill passed.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.1.33  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.26    8 months ago

You’re preaching to the choir.

I’ll continue the defense of the Army’s portion of Biden Budget Request for 2025 with SAC-D staffers next week.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @5    8 months ago

My son got forgiven of all his student loans in 2017. Unfortunately that was when he passed away. Then they came after me and threatened to take me to court. I was not even a co signer on his loans. I laughed at them and pleaded with them to do. They stopped their harassment after that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2    8 months ago

Which asshole department was this?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.1    8 months ago

Collections Dept at Fannie Mae.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6  Greg Jones    8 months ago

Shifting the burden onto the taxpayers is not good idea, and will ultimately raise tuition costs and borrowing rates.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Greg Jones @6    8 months ago
nto the taxpayers is not good idea, and will ultimately raise tuition costs and borrowing rates.

It already has. The explosion of tuition is largely due to fed backing of student loans.  All Biden's done is make the problem exponentially worse by helping some random borrowers while ignoring the long term cause of the issue. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7  MrFrost    8 months ago

Giving money to people who actually need it = bad.

Giving money to big corporations who already have billions in profits = good.

The GOP mantra. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @7    8 months ago
Giving money to people who actually need it = bad.

The largest amount is going to people with over $300,000 in annual income. Per Penn Wharton:

PWBM’s report reveals this plan is projected to cost taxpayers  $84 billion  and would disproportionately affect high-income earners. Roughly “ 750,000 households  making over  $312,000 in average household income ” would be eligible for longer-term student debt cancellation.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    8 months ago

EV tax credits redistributes income upwards, AMTRAC Joe becomes the car guy.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @7    8 months ago
Giving money to big corporations who already have billions in profits = good.

What is a fair profit margin?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2    8 months ago

What is a fair profit margin?

Did you not read my post at all?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.1    8 months ago

I did, now, what’s a fair profit margin?

 
 

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