Harris Campaign Gets Fact-Checked Over Biggest Media Hoax Of All Time | The Daily Caller
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Pants on fire.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
It's the media lie that just won't die: the "very fine people" hoax in Charlottesville seven long years ago.
Democrats and the media ran with this lie for years. It was one of the first major narratives to paint the new Trump administration as irredeemably racist, poisoning the Donald Trump brand for moderates and justifying hysterical, often lawless, resistance from the left.
When the regime fact-checker Snopes finally debunked it in June 2024, it seemed like the hoax had finally died. But then the Kamala Harris campaign scurrilously resurrected it Monday with a backhanded tweet.
7 years ago today, white supremacists and neo-Nazis marched on Charlottesville, chanting racist and antisemitic bile and killing an innocent woman.
This is who Donald Trump calls "very fine people" pic.twitter.com/FfHJhWVR9B
— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) August 12, 2024
Unfortunately for a deceitful political campaign, regular Twitter users now have the power to fact-check elites themselves.
A torrent of vigilante fact-checkers poured in to point out the very obvious lie.
As everyone should know by now, Trump spoke broadly on the crowd of right and left-wing protesters saying there were "very fine people" on both sides. He "totally condemned," however, the minority of white supremacists and neo-Nazis who were also in attendance. The media disingenuously stripped these snippets of context to make him look divisive and hateful.
The "very fine people" comment was meant to be unifying: People can disagree politically but still come together to denounce the truly bad actors. This could have been a genuinely unifying moment if the left could admit that there are still some good people on the right, just as the right denounced the bad apples in their own camp. Yet with their blatant manipulation of this opportunity, the media showed us who they were for the first time.
They don't want unity. They don't want equal justice and standards. They want to demonize the right — the entire right — and shield the left no matter what they do. And they will blatantly lie in order to achieve this.
By propping up the lie seven years later, long after it's been conclusively debunked, Harris shows us exactly how she will govern if she wins the White House this November.
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Again, that horse is dead. The desperation sees no end in sight.
With all to legitimately criticize Trump over, I am perplexed why they insist on lying about him.
Stupid, I guess.
Biden used it again in his farewell speech, just before he said the pro-Palestinian protestors had a point.
Yep and wait a few minutes and we will have a fellow member call bullshit.
In Trump's case he was talking about people holding views on statues.
In Biden's case he actually is giving a big wink to the demonstrators.
Trump WANTED to believe there were fine people on both sides because he didnt want to even slightly upset his white grievance base. He is so lazy he spent zero time to find out who was "protesting" at the statue. This was a white supremacist event from start to finish. It wasnt a normal protest that white supremacists infiltrated, it was a white supremacist event. If he wasnt so phenomenally incompetent he would have found that out before he opened his mouth.
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If both sides were Nazis & antifa, what would embracing both do to this so-called white grievance base?
David Duke explains what really happened:
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A. There were no "very fine people" there that day protesting the statue. They were all white nationalists and nazis. The permit to hold a rally at the statue on Aug 12 was held by a well known white supremacist and those were the people, not regular people wanting to protest the statue removal , who were there.
B. The very first words out of Trump's mouth on Aug 12 was a condemnation of "both sides" , equating white supremacists and the people opposing them.
C. Trump so badly botched his initial responses to this he had to come back three days later and try to fix them.
He did say there were fine people on both sides. He was wrong. Maybe he believed or wanted to believe what he was saying , he was wrong and it is not a "hoax".
More misinformation and lies.
That may be true John, but the issue was over statues and there are good people on either side of that issue.
They were all white nationalists and nazis.
False. Antifa, which had no permit to protest, also showed up and we had a riot.
The permit to hold a rally at the statue on Aug 12 was held by a well known white supremacist and those were the people, not regular people wanting to protest the statue removal , who were there.
Again, they had little to do with the debate over statues.
The very first words out of Trump's mouth on Aug 12 was a condemnation of "both sides" , equating white supremacists and the people opposing them.
That is in his favor.
Trump so badly botched his initial responses to this he had to come back three days later and try to fix them.
He didn't botch, the left twisted them and not only has the Trump clarified who he was talking about. but the left-wing media and fact checkers have also debunked their own initial narratives.
He did say there were fine people on both sides.
Yes, he did. You can bet your ass he wouldn't ever say that about antifa.
He was wrong.
He was right. Confederate statues are offensive to many good people. Those same statues are valued by decedents of those who fought for the Confederacy.
it is not a "hoax".
Yes, it is, just like the Russia hoax and Tawana Brawley hoax. Even the media has admitted to the truth..
Just about every word in your answer is wrong or irrelevant.
Try to read something about this beyond taking Trumps word for it. It would help you.
www.yahoo.com /news/not-hoax-trump-very-fine-085231751.html
It’s Not a ‘Hoax’—Trump’s ‘Very Fine People’ in Charlottesville Did Not Exist
Anthony L Fisher 10-12 minutes 8/12/2022
It’s been five years since neo-Nazis assembled on Charlottesville, Virginia , for their deadly “ Unite the Right ” rally. That means it’s also been five years since then-President Donald Trump said that there were “very fine people” on both sides of the conflict that weekend—which is to say, neo-Nazis and their allies on one side, and everyone else on the other.
“But, wait!” said the galaxy-brain contrarian. “Trump ACKSHUALLY condemned the neo-Nazis in plain English! He was referring to the other people, the regular folk that were there to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue .”
This contortion of reality has been cemented in the minds of both MAGA partisans and many anti-woke heterodox commentators, who willfully ignore mounds of context in order to make Trump’s words sound benign.
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The right-wing YouTube channel PragerU ran a video called “ The Charlottesville Lie ,” (which was retweeted by Trump), and another one titled “ The Media’s ‘Very Fine People’ Myth .” The Trump-supporting Dilbert guy, Scott Adams , pushed it repeatedly on Fox News and to his own audiences on social media and YouTube. Right-wing provocateur Candace Owens put in her disinformation efforts, too. Trump’s 2020 campaign made a huge issue out of it. Fox News host Greg Gutfeld went from condemning Trump’s post-Charlottesville statement in 2017 to saying in 2020 that the “very fine people” outrage is a “hoax” that’s been “debunked.”
Even Sam Harris , a Trump-loathing social liberal, has repeated the “Very Fine People Was a Media-Created Hoax” trope both on his own podcast and others .
Donald Trump fields questions from reporters about his comments on the events in Charlottesville, Virginia, and white supremacists on Aug. 15, 2017.
Photo Illustration by Elizabeth Brockway/The Daily Beast/Getty
They all insist that the transcript of Trump’s full comments to the press on Aug. 15, 2017, proves he repeatedly condemned neo-Nazis, just as he had the day before when he said they should be rejected, right alongside antifa (or as he put it, the “alt-left”). The “very fine people” he was referring to, they say, were the peaceful protesters demonstrating against the proposal to remove a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee from Market Street Park.
In short, the Very Fine People-truthers insist, Trump awkwardly put the blame for the weekend’s deadly violence “on many sides,” but he condemned the Nazis, so leave him alone.
Here’s the problem: There’s essentially no evidence whatsoever that anyone was there that weekend as part of a totally-not-racist Southern heritage pro-Robert E. Lee “just plain folks” brigade.
Despite Trump’s insistence that the people who organized the event “didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis,” the weekend had been heavily promoted as an alt-right event, loaded with overt Nazi imagery. Beyond just their advertisements, words, and deeds, there were months of highly publicized legal machinations between the city and the white supremacist organizers of the “Unite the Right” rally.
A man makes a slashing motion across his throat toward counter-protesters as he marches with other white nationalists, neo-Nazis, and members of the “alt-right” during the “Unite the Right” rally Aug. 12, 2017, in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Photo Illustration by Elizabeth Brockway/The Daily Beast/Getty
The organizers made it very clear that this was a gathering of racist, antisemitic, neo-fascist groups. The issue of the statute was incidental, and it’s barely mentioned in the rally’s advertisements (when it was mentioned at all.)
Now, if you want to completely bend over backward and play devil’s advocate to a degree that’s both infantilizing and disingenuous, you could make these hypothetical arguments:
1.) Trump is almost always incoherent, and it’s unfair cherry-picking to take the words of the most powerful person in the world literally.
2.) There were “very fine people” marching in common cause with overt Nazis at an event openly promoted as a Nazi event, but that doesn’t make them Nazis or even Nazi-sympathetic—what are you doing, “GUILT BY ASSOCIATION”???
3.) Maybe Trump was confusing the neo-Nazis involved in Saturday’s bloodshed with the “peaceful” pro-statue protesters of the night before? (You know, the ones carrying tiki torches while chanting “Blood and soil” and “Jews will not replace us.”)
4.) His confusion is immaterial. He made it very clear who *he thought* he was excluding in his “fine people” remarks (whether or not those people actually exist).
Actually, that last one isn’t hypothetical. It’s a direct quote of Sam Harris’ tweet —in which supposed nuance manifests as desperate obfuscation.
So is there any evidence, at all, of pro-Lee statue protesters in Charlottesville that weekend who weren’t overt neo-Nazis, fascists, or any other flavor of right-wing extremist?
PragerU’s video , viewed many millions of times on YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook, quotes a single source from a New York Times article—a woman who says she came with a “conservative” group to protest the removal of the statue but had no common cause with the Nazis.
This woman, the Times neglected to report , was actually part of the “American Warrior Revolution,” a paramilitary group that came to Charlottesville armed to the teeth to act as “peacekeepers,” but only in service of the Nazis. In an interview with a pro-Trump site (one with presumably far less resources than The New York Times ), the woman admitted her group wanted to “talk to Antifa and Black Lives Matter and let them know that the way they were protesting is the wrong way to go about it.”
It is also, frankly, total horseshit to blame the outrage over Trump’s “very fine people” comments as some kind of “liberal media” concoction. Condemning Nazis, without equivocation, is the easiest layup of all time—and Trump couldn’t do it. He had to create “very fine people” in order to muddy the waters of accountability.
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For the record, I don’t actually believe Trump is pro-Nazi. However, I do believe that like many on the right, he’s far more bothered by “cancel culture” and “antifa” and "Marxists" than he is by Nazis—which the MAGA right considers to be a statistically insignificant anomaly and not the apotheosis of an intolerant, illiberal, and bigoted movement Trump has inspired (alt-right leader Richard Spencer was certainly inspired by the MAGA movement).
Oh dear!
Try to read something about this beyond taking Trumps word for it.
Believe it or not I have. Care to read this:
Claim:
In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counter protesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."
No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People' | Snopes.com
Thanks for the opinion piece.
FACTS are found in Post 3.2.4
Trump said there were fine people on both sides. He was wrong. One side was white supremacists and Nazis and the other side opposed them. Those were the only "sides". There was no "regular people" side there that day.
Got it?
Nothing quite like beating a dead horse a decade later, eh?
Whip that dead horse some more, he might have twitched 10 years ago!
No, I don't.
You somehow have proof that not a single solitary soul was there that day other than demonstrators, yet the person killed that day wasn't really a member of either of the hate groups.
One of your boys here seeded this article.
Why didnt Trump come out on Saturday Aug 12 2017and say that there had been violence at a white supremacist neo-Nazi rally in Charlotteville Virginia , and his administration was monitoring the situation?
That would have made him correct.
Why didnt he do that? You can figure that out.
You made the claim that there weren't any. I provided the dead girl who was not a Nazi, nor antifa.
Was she a good person?
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How do you, or anyone, know the motivation of every single person there that day? You don't. You are simply equating the motives of some of the organizers to every single person there, which is something the left always objects to because of the politics and beliefs of who has organized left wing protests(communists, anti-semites etc) back to the Iraq war.
That aside, Harris is obviously lying. One only needs to understand basic English to grasp that. She claims Trump called white supramcists and Neo-Naizs "very fine people," which is a blatant, indefensible lie. In a sane country, that sort of flagrantly dishonest character assassination would be disqualifying for the office of President.
See 4 below. It makes the connection to white supremacists in the Trumpist 'movement.' And, or, explains why white supremacists think they have sway with Donald to begin to threaten him with removal of the same.
NIck Fuentes? The guy who JD Vance eviscerated and who now panders to Kamala Harris?
what does that have to do with Harris lying about what Trump said?
It was very well known in Charlottesville that this was a white supremacist event. Besides all the advertising, the night before there had been a Nazi torchlight march AT THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.
The permit on saturday was held by white supremacists, but you still insist that fine people went there with no other desire but to protest the removal of the statue. That could be true for a handful of people, who knows. Its hard to believe that "normal" people would do that but it is not impossible. It was still a white supremacist event and everyone there that day knew it.
But Trump didnt. ?
Is that the standard you apply to left wing protests?
It doesn't matter though. Harris is lying. Flat out. It's not even debatable. Words have meaning.
The guy who JD eviscerated and who now panders to Kamala Harris?
Jeez, the pure desperation of this comment is sad.
She's not lying. When trump said there were "very fine people on both sides" he was wrong.
She might be "spinning" it, but it is not a lie. The lie was that there were very fine people on both sides.
I will slightly give the moron a break and concede that he might have been too stupid or too lazy that day to know it.
Never heard of any violence the night before.
What changed the next day?
I am not your teacher.
Without a single, solitary doubt!
Donald is caught on the horns of a dilemma. He is pal-in around with White Supremacists and they feel good enough to call him out on it.
Ye, an anti-Semite , should not have been welcomed to Mara Lago, and of course, he brought company with him: Nick Fuentes, a white supremacist, and they proceeded to affirm themselves through participation in a sit down dinner with Donald.
And this is the connection back to "good guys on both sides" which seeks to leave white supremacists out of Trump's orbit: "They're part of [Donald's] political base of support."
Yet another in an infinite stream of lies and deceptive statements coming from Donald Trump who lacks sincerity and integrity, but believes in saying what is expedient to his benefit in the moment.
Lol. She falsely said Trump called neo-NAzis and white supremacists very fine people. That's a lie. You don't just get to play choose your own adventure and move words some words around and remove others to create a new meaning,
Pointing out that he said there were "very fine people on both sides" doesn't give you licence to make up who he was talking about. Words have meaning.
Double-speak fails. Donald has been exposed for his antics and actions behind the collective "you" backs! The white supremacist is threatening to withhold his support (network) from Donald unless Donald capitulates this fall to his 'demands.' You can't hold sway over someone when you don't have sway.
One side was neo-nazis and the other side was opposing the neo nazis. I would say there was only "very fine people" on one side.
People know what Harris means, and she is not lying.
As president of the United States Donald trump had a duty to find out whether or not he was saying was true. He totally failed in that regard.
It's not double speak. How much more literal do you need him to be before you see he did not call neo-Nazis "very fine people?"
Here's Trump talking about Charlottesville:
Nothing he said actually matters or would have been acceptable to those who just make up words and put them in his mouth. Harris, and those who support her lies, just project their own invented meaning onto his statement because that's what they want to believe.
Facts prove she is.
It's quite a standard. She's not lying if you ignore her words.
If Donald is in politics (and he was at the time president) then he knows who/what/when/where/how - the critical points of a discussions on subject matter regarding his politics and policies. He had better access to information than any of us here (in a daily brief or upon REQUEST by him). In summary, he couched his words to evade the truth that was laid out before him when that young woman was crushed by a white nationalist driver:
Jury finds rally organizers liable for the violence that broke out in Charlottesville
Flowers and candles surround a photograph of Heather Heyer on the spot where she was killed and 19 others injured when a car slammed into a crowd of people protesting against a white supremacist rally in August 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia.
A jury in Virginia has found a group of white nationalists who organized the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va . , liable of engaging in a conspiracy ahead of the violent demonstration, awarding the plaintiffs who brought the case more than $25 million in damages on Tuesday.
"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans...Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America"
Yeah, such equivocation in those words.
They only want to talk about SOME of Trump's words while ignoring that which proves them wrong.
I am not dealing with double-speak and its kin: lip-service. Donald, in 2024, is being held to account by White Supremacists, for his shortcomings regarding their demands-for this election cycle. They could not have any power over him, except he gave it to them. Time Donald owns it. The supremacists have exposed Donald's complicity with them.
Why didnt he come out on the afternoon of the violence and say "that has been violence at a white supremacist/neo-Nazi rally today" ? He didnt do that. The first thing he said was "there has been violence from all sides".
Why didnt he tell the truth and say it was a white supremacist rally ? I know the answer, do you?
To quote the former Queen:
At this point, what difference does it make?
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Lip-service. Evidenced by white supremacists threatening to pull their base support and going into political 'war' with and against Donald in 2024 November presidential election. It's not an idol threat, because they do have sway in the Trumpist movement.
Really displays what level their integrity lies.
The collective 'we" don't need an impotent speech, We don't need gaslighting. We need intelligent people with life experiences to help inform and clarify opinions.
Of course. Just keep ignoring what he actually said so you can insert your own secret meaning in to his words.
Again, you keep deflecting with irrelevant arguments to try and justify an indefensible lie by Harris. That "implication" doesn't mean he called neo-nazi's very fine people and, in fact, has nothing to do with the neo-nazis.
Again, there werent fine people on two sides, there were Nazis and anti-Nazis. When he says there were fine people on both sides he is in effect saying that one side of those fine people were Nazis.
If he doesnt want people to draw the clear inference he should make sure he knows what the fuck he is talking about.
The truth is, he didnt want to offend his white grievance base with his initial comments.
That's because you've arbitrarily decided that every person protesting the statue removal was a Nazi.
What makes this argument even sillier is even if you are correct, that just makes Trump wrong about who was there and still makes Harris a liar. Since he specifically excluded Nazis from his "very fine people" comment and singled them out for condemnation it's indisputably a lie to claim he called neo-nazis very fine people. However you spin it, Harris is lying.
And THAT is the major disconnect here.
Facts and reason get in short supply when assumptions abound.
What makes you think there were "normal " people there? Do normal people attend Nazi and white supremacist rallies?
It was very well known it was a white supremacist rally. Why would normal people go , and if you attend a Nazi rally arent you kind of ipso facto not normal ?
Why do you believe that is what I think?
What post led you to such a nonsensical conclusion?
Maybe next time you will address what I actually write instead of inventing arguments.
So prove it false.
I read your comment.
There were no "normal" people there. It was explicitly a white supremacist/Nazi rally. "Normal" people dont attend such events as participants.
I have no idea why you are struggling to understand that.
Appears you may have misinterpreted it.
Again, even if what you said is true, Harris is still lying. It's right there in plain English that he specifically said he wasn’t talking about neo nazis and then condemned. What part of that are you not grasping?
Words have meaning. Harris said Trump called neo-nazis very fine people. In reality, Trump specifically excluded Neo-Nazi's from the "very fine people" group and explicitly condemned them. Accusing Trump of lying about normal people being there (which you have no idea if it's true) doesn't suddenly change the meaning of his denunciation of Neo-Nazis and exclusion from the category of "very fine people"
Does Trump need to dumb down his language so progressives can follow him? because alot of them see to have alot of trouble following a thought for more than a sentence.
Okay, do a collective "you" best take on supplying us with a figure of how many "very fine people" were there that was on the (Far) Right.
Because what Donald did with his "pronouncement" remains sketchy at best. By the way, the same style of wording has been used trying to distract from the violence at the Capitol on January 6th 2021.
If it escapes notice, no one is actually talking about unentangled and generic individuals on the periphery or sidelines or 'hovering' . . "you" are presenting a counternarrative and a distraction. . .as Donald did when he attempted to gaslight the nation with Charlottesville a false balance unwarranted by evidence.
This happened. It is for the collective "you" to discern and do so properly :
Clearly, Fuentes dining with Trump (who did not toss his supremacist BUTT off the premises or disallow him entry to the premises in the first place. . . and 'pal-ling around' with Alex Jones, another Donald 'believer' and influencer, tells the tale Donald's lying mouth won't let him speak!
The only "hoax" are the dipshits defending what everyone else saw and heard. Charlottesville was chock full of a bunch of white nationalists, white supremacists and fucking vile wannabe Nazi's who were protesting the removal of a racist piece of shit confederate statue and then Donald Trump defended them, we all heard him, and called those protesting the removal of the confederate statue "very fine people". Those are the facts, anyone trying to spin some other fantasy version of events are just shameless liars.
The guy in front, with the big belly & the Swastika tattoo is obviously one of "the good people"...on one of the sides!
A very fine person indeed!
SPIN IT!!