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It's time for a national conversation about left-wing violence

  
Via:  GregTx  •  one week ago  •  35 comments

By:   David Harsanyi

It's time for a national conversation about left-wing violence
We should acknowledge a lot, perhaps most, of our contemporary political violence emanates from the Left.

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If reports are true, it looks like the targeted killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York last week was politically motivated. The alleged shooter, Luigi Mangione, a former Ivy Leaguer from an affluent family, was reportedly caught with some kind of manifesto.

Even before we knew who the shooter was, however, the reaction from far too many leftists was to either justify, celebrate, or rationalize the shooting. There's a real debate going on in some quarters of the progressive Left over whether slaying CEOs is a bad thing. And it's unsurprising.

Of course, if any MAGA professors or journalists were online publicly defending the killing of perceived political enemies, there would be thousands of wringing hands lamenting the menacing rhetoric of conservatism. And rightly so.

It should not be lost on us that there is a clear ideological continuum between people who rationalize the shooting of a CEO and those who rationalize the murder and rape of Jews by Palestinian terrorists and those who rationalize the burning down of cities for social justice.

If you're convinced your opponents are abetting some (imaginary) "genocide," you have a moral duty to stop them. And much of the left-wing violence we've seen is predicated on the idea that the enemy is irredeemably nefarious.

On his Goodreads page, Mangione quotes left-wing terrorist Ted Kaczynski (though his reading list is mostly mainstream left-leaning technocratic authors). The Unabomber's unhinged demonization of modernity and capitalism was a fringe position in the '90s. Now the unhinged demonization of healthcare insurance, the pharmaceutical industry, and Big Oil (all industries, despite their inadequacies, that make lives better for everyone) is the norm. A generation of college students have been indoctrinated into believing the profit motive is killing people when the opposite is true.

One expects Mangione's writing will be largely indistinguishable from what a person hears from elected progressives and pundits. Yet few will ponder why a seemingly rational Ivy League-educated engineer decided to become a hit man.

Of course, leftist violence is always treated as something completely apart. Every time there's a mass shooting, everyone scours the web trying to divine the motivations of the shooter. When the perpetrator is a left-winger, the media plunges into a national discussion about the problems of gun culture. When there's no coherent ideological reason for the shooting, the media plunges into a discussion about problems of gun culture. When the shooter is a right-winger (or an approximation of one), we are called to talk about gun culture and the "climate of hate" created by conservative rhetoric.

You may recall the time when Paul Krugman and the New York Times editorial board said, without any evidence, that Sarah Palin had inspired the 2011 shooting of Gabby Giffords in Tucson, Arizona. The climate-of-hate canard goes back at least to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, which, incidentally, was perpetrated by a communist. (Indeed, the last president before Kennedy to be assassinated was William McKinley, who met his end via two bullets fired by another leftist extremist named Leon Czolgosz.)

The Left has been prone to violence since Year Zero. In the early 1900s, the United States was awash in communist and anarchist bombings, culminating in the deaths of 30 people on Wall Street in 1920. Most cultural depictions of the '60s upheavals were of a genteel, peace-loving movement, but it was imbued with extremists, as well. By the 1970s, left-wing terrorist groups such as the Weather Underground were setting off bombs at the Capitol, police stations, the Pentagon, and state attorneys general offices. In an 18-month period between 1971 and 1972, there were an amazing 2,500 bombings in the U.S. by leftist groups.

Worse, then as now, violence was often ignored or idealized by the "intellectual" Left. When I was young, leftists would sometimes commemorate mass murderers such as Che Guevara or Mao Zedong. Today, feted contemporary public intellectuals such as Ta-Nehisi Coates write books celebrating terrorism. The late Kathy Boudin, a former Weather Underground member who was involved in a Brinks truck robbery that killed two innocent people, operated the Columbia University's "Center for Justice" for decades.

And I would be remiss if I didn't mention Angela Davis, widely considered a hero by younger progressives, who not only championed murders and terrorist regimes her entire career but bought two guns used in a courtroom kidnapping-shootout perpetrated by the Black Panthers in 1970, when three hostages and a superior court judge were killed in Marin County, California. There is simply no comparable mainstreaming of right-wing extremists.

James Hodgkinson, who walked onto an Alexandria, Virginia, baseball field in 2018 and opened fire at a Republican congressional delegation, wasn't an exotic leftist. He was a Bernie Sanders fan. Certainly, no reporter ran around the halls of Congress asking every elected Democrat if they were going to lower the temperature of their rhetoric.

Nor did they do so when a left-wing assassin showed up at the house of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, promising to "stop roe v wade from being overturned" by "shooting for 3" justices. After years of hearing the demonizing of the Supreme Court, the man showed up with a Glock, zip ties, duct tape, and various other tools.

When Paul Pelosi was attacked by a deranged man, the entire media conversation revolved around conservative rhetoric. When we had two attempted assassinations of Donald Trump, most of the Left could barely stop calling him Hitler.

The public is incessantly warned that white supremacists are gathering in the shadows, readying to spring their coup. So dangerous were these alleged impending "major civil disturbances" that the Justice Department created a new category of extremists to "track and counter" the "anti-government or anti-authority violent extremism." To the Left, parents who protest school boards over critical race theory and mask mandates are "domestic terrorists," but those who burn down cities are mostly peaceful.

And when mostly peaceful unrest envelopes the nation, causing billions in damage, destroying thousands of lives, one could barely get anyone in the media to admit it was even happening. Indeed, plenty of reporters and pundits defended the Marxist antifa "protesters" (you can see, they're "anti" fascists right in the name, right?) If any of these groups had been on the Right, we would scar the American psyche forever. The resulting HBO documentary would already have won a bunch of Emmys.

Antifa and Black Lives Matter marches sparked the most expensive and prolonged domestic destruction in American history from 2016 to 2020 (looting, rioting, arson, homicide), and Democrats were never asked in any serious way to condemn it.

Yes, BLM was an objectively racist movement that was tethered to a slew of media-generated myths (Michael Brown being the most prominent) and incidents that had no proven racial component (George Floyd). Even before 2020, there were riots in Milwaukee, Baltimore, Oakland, California, and Ferguson, Missouri. Why was there no conversation about the dangers of leftist race-baiting when five Dallas police officers were gunned down by a Black Lives Matter activist?

Even during the riots, name-brand pundits excused the destruction, arguing that victims had insurance. It didn't matter that immigrant- and minority-owned businesses, already suffering from needless COVID-19 shutdowns, suffered most of all.

None of this is to maintain there isn't right-wing violence. Of course, there is. It's simply to say that we should acknowledge a lot, perhaps most, of our contemporary political violence emanates from the Left. And a lot of it is girded by the hard-left progressive turn in America's politics.


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GregTx
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1  seeder  GregTx    one week ago
Even before we knew who the shooter was, however, the reaction from far too many leftists was to either justify, celebrate, or rationalize the shooting. There's a real debate going on in some quarters of the progressive Left over whether slaying CEOs is a bad thing. And it's unsurprising.
Of course, if any MAGA professors or journalists were online publicly defending the killing of perceived political enemies, there would be thousands of wringing hands lamenting the menacing rhetoric of conservatism. And rightly so.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    one week ago

The endless justifications and victim blaming drives home just how embedded and normalized political  violence is in contemporary left wing thought.

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    one week ago

Far right propagandistic nonsense. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago
New research from the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism shows that all of the 25 extremism-related murders in the United States last year were linked to right-wing extremists. The annual report, released Thursday by the organization that tracks hate groups, also finds that 15 of the   25 extremist-related murder victims   were killed in one of two mass shooting sprees. Ten were murdered in the May 2022 massacre at a grocery store in a predominantly Black neighborhood in Buffalo, N.Y., and the other five were killed in the November mass shooting at Club Q in Colorado Springs, Colo.

In the case of Club Q, largely patronized by the LGBTQ community, prosecutors in the murder trial of the shooting suspect, Anderson Lee Aldrich, said he was motivated by   “aversion to the LGBTQ community .” Aldrich ran a neo-Nazi website and used antigay and racist slurs online,   according to police . In the case of the Buffalo shooting, the   18-year-old suspect   said he “had to commit this attack” because he cared for “the future of the White race,” according to court documents.

Report: All 25 U.S. extremism-related murders last year were linked to right-wing extremists
 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago
Far right propagandistic nonsense.

I piece of violence occurs that might be from a left wing extremist, and the right feels the need to keep pointing to it to try and drown out that the vast majority of shootings, especially mass shootings, are done by right wingers.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.1  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2    one week ago
Antifa and Black Lives Matter marches sparked the most expensive and prolonged domestic destruction in American history from 2016 to 2020 (looting, rioting, arson, homicide), and Democrats were never asked in any serious way to condemn it.

Just 1?...

512

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  GregTx @3.2.1    one week ago

original

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.3  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.2    one week ago

And?...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.2.1    6 days ago
Just 1?...

Care to provide an actual news link for that picture?  The only thing I can find is by the Babylon Bee, which describes itself as "Fake News you can Trust"

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.2.5  MrFrost  replied to  GregTx @3.2.1    6 days ago

800

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.6  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.4    6 days ago
Care to provide an actual news link for that picture?

Nah, interesting though, your asking about a picture instead of honestly answering the question...

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.7  seeder  GregTx  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.5    6 days ago

And?...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.2.6    6 days ago
Nah, interesting though, your asking about a picture instead of honestly answering the question.

Asking about what you posted......again.  And again you can't respond to it after your post was shown up as straight false.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.9  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.8    6 days ago

What about it was straight up false? A picture?....

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.10  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.2.9    5 days ago
What about it was straight up false? A picture?....

Yep. 

You saw the picture and posted it without doing any research to determine if it was true or not.

OR

You posted a picture you knew was false hoping nobody else would research it to uncover its falseness.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.2    5 days ago

The verdict of his trial and the verdict of the Penny trial are 100% correct.  It is funny that this happened during a riot supported by the left over a drug addict overdosing.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.12  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.10    5 days ago

Or I posted a picture that was obviously sarcasm and instead of answering the question you decided to latch on to irrelevant "stuff" for,.... why?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.13  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.2.12    4 days ago
Or I posted a picture that was obviously sarcasm

Yet never labeled it as such?  I suspect not.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.14  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.13    3 days ago

512

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.15  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.2.14    3 days ago

Yellow flowers, very good.  An honest, truthful picture.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.16  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.15    3 days ago

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Buttercups just for you Ozzwald.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    one week ago

El Paso Walmart massacre -  far right racial supremacist brainwashed by the "great replacement" conspiracy theory

Buffalo NY grocery store massacre -  white supremacist right winger

 
 
 
GregTx
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4.1  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one week ago
None of this is to maintain there isn't right-wing violence. Of course, there is. It's simply to say that we should acknowledge a lot, perhaps most, of our contemporary political violence emanates from the Left. And a lot of it is girded by the hard-left progressive turn in America's politics.
 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  GregTx @4.1    one week ago

original

 
 
 
GregTx
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4.1.2  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.1    one week ago

Mmmkay, see 3.2.1 for response. Unless of course, you have something to say.....

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.3  bugsy  replied to  GregTx @4.1    6 days ago

The left has three go to "but but but" when left wing violence is pointed out.

1. Jan 6 which was a one day riot

2. Charlottesville which was a one day event

3. but Trump.

They fail to recognize the months long riots because of the death of a drug addict criminal in 2020

They fail to recognize their ancestors lynched thousands of blacks in the century after the Civil War

They fail to recognize the several day riots after the first Trump inauguration countrywide

They fail to recognize there is a very good chance those riots will happen once again on Jan 20 next year. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @4.1.3    6 days ago
death of

Of course you mean, "murder of".. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    one week ago
Over  the  past decade,  the  Anti-Defamation League has counted about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists.

Of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75 percent. Islamic extremists were responsible for about 20 percent, and left-wing extremists were responsible for 4 percent.

Nearly half of  the  murders were specifically tied to white supremacists:

As this data shows,  the  American political right has a  violence   problem  that has no equivalent on  the  left. And  the  10 victims in Buffalo this past weekend are now part of this toll. “Right-wing extremist  violence  is our biggest threat,” Jonathan Greenblatt,  the  head of  the  ADL, has written. “ The  numbers don’t lie.”

The  pattern extends to  violence  less severe than murder, like  the  Jan. 6 attack on Congress. It also extends to  the  language from some Republican politicians — including Donald Trump — and conservative media figures that treats  violence  as a legitimate form of political expression. A much larger number of Republican officials do not use this language but also do not denounce it or punish politicians who do use it; Kevin McCarthy,  the  top House Republican, is a leading example.

It’s important to emphasize that not all extremist  violence  comes from  the  right — and that  the  precise explanation for any one attack can be murky, involving a mixture of ideology, mental illness, gun access and more. In  the  immediate aftermath of an attack, people are sometimes too quick to claim a direct cause and effect. But it is also incorrect to pretend that right-wing  violence  and left-wing  violence  are equivalent  problems .

Leonhardt, David

.    New York Times (Online)  New York Times Company. May 17, 2022.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

The ADL reports are a joke. I've gone through them before. If a guy shoots someone in an armed robbery in which the motive was simply robbery, it gets counted as "right wing political violence" if the guy has a prison tattoo.  In order for something to be counted as left wing violence, the murderer pretty much has to have a notarized confession explaining that the murder was explicitly committed in the name of some left wing cause, and no other reason, or it won't be counted. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1    one week ago

Trump supporters are a joke. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    one week ago

The irony of this post from a far leftists who voted for the worst presidential candidate in US history.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6  Bob Nelson    one week ago

original

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @6    one week ago

Good point. A weekend of left wing violence, incited by the current President fawning over a child molester who attacked police with a knife, ended up with left wingers trying to kill a good samaritan. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    6 days ago
current President fawning over a child molester

800

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    one week ago
If reports are true, it looks like the targeted killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York last week was politically motivated.

Where is the reporting, much less the evidence that this killing was politically motivated? From the reporting I have seen, everyone assumes the killer had a beef with the insurance company or the healthcare system in general.

 
 

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