J6 Bombshell: Trump Didn't Just Offer Military to Protect Capitol, He Ordered It but Was Disobeyed
By: Joe Saunders (The Western Journal)
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On the eve of former President Donald Trump's return to power, a new report is turning the story of the 2021 Capitol incursion on its head.
For four years, a Democratic-run "select" committee on Jan. 6, anti-Trump Republicans, and the establishment media have blamed Trump for the violence in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, but the report released Tuesday accused Trump's acting defense secretary at the time, Christopher Miller, of defying Trump's specific orders.
It's the very first finding of the report, and it paints a scathing picture of Nancy Pelosi's "select" committee — and former Rep. Liz Cheney's role in the whole affair.
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The report, "On the Failures and Politicization of the January 6 Select Committee," cited transcripts from interviews conducted by the Department of Defense Inspector General into the events surrounding the incursion.
In an interview with the IG, former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley, a now-retired Army general, described Trump's words at a Jan. 3, 2021, meeting to prepare for the meeting of Congress to certify the results of the still-disputed 2020 election.
Milley summed up Trump's statement as:
"Hey, I don't care if you use Guard, or soldiers, active-duty soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it's safe."
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To most Americans, that would sound like an order from a commander in chief to his subordinate, but Miller told Nancy Pelosi's rigged Jan. 6 Committee that he chose to consider it "banter," the report noted on page 69.
In fact, he told the IG interviewers, according to page 68 of the report: "There was absolutely — there is absolutely no way I was putting U.S. Military forces at the Capitol."
In addition, Miller told the Jan. 6 committee that he was influenced by a commentary piece published by The Washington Post on Jan. 3, 2021, signed by all 10 living former defense secretaries, calling on Miller by name to "refrain from any political actions that undermine the results of the election or hinder the success of the new team."
That piece, though, was "orchestrated" by Cheney, according to the report. Cheney's father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, who also served as a defense secretary, was a co-author of the piece.
(Liz Cheney's role in organizing the op-ed was first revealed in a May 2021 interview the liberal magazine the New Yorker conducted with Eric Edelman, a Cheney family friend and former national security adviser to Dick Cheney. Not even the left-wing "fact-checking" site Snopes has disputed it.)
The report released Tuesday also showed Miller feared being called a "Trump crony" and was sensitive to criticism on social media.
That apparently mattered more to him than carrying out the orders of the president, the report stated.
It included a quote Miller gave to the inspector general investigators:
"Then you had this constant drumbeat of, remember when I came in the story was that I was a stuffed suit that I was a Trump crony that was going to use the United States Military to conduct a military coup to overthrow the Government, the elected Government of the United States. So that is what was out there in the Twitter sphere."
(The fact that the United States military was led, however briefly, by a man afraid of the "Twitter sphere" is a sobering thought. Seriously. What do they drink in Washington, anyway?)
So, Liz Cheney, the poster child of the NeverTrump Republicans and a woman who served as one of two GOP Judas goats on Nancy Pelosi's committee on investigating Jan. 6, helped create the conditions that allowed the Jan. 6 mayhem to actually take place.
And, according to the report by the House Administration Committee's Subcommittee on Oversight, it was direct defiance by the then-acting defense secretary of then-President Trump's orders that led to the security vacuum that ended up being filled by violence.
It turns the whole Democratic-media story of Jan. 6 on its head — a story that was fed to Americans non-stop through 2022, including made-for-TV dramatics and the enthusiastic complicity of a biased establishment media that could well have contributed to the Democratic success of the midterm elections that limited the reach of a widely expected "red wave."
With Congress set to meet next month to certify the results of Trump's victory in the November election, and his historic inauguration set for Jan. 20, the real question now is, where does it go from here?
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Shooting holes in bullshit claims.
But everything in the J6th committee made for TV special must be true because Trump is such a scoundrel. S/
As I have stated many times, one is free to ignore every narrative word made by the Jan 6 committee members. But to ignore the testimonies of high-ranking, connected GOP operatives who compromised their political futures by testifying is an obvious act of blatant denial (confirmation bias).
Those testimonies alone are damning for Trump.
Rusty Bowers, for examples, was the AZ Speaker of the House. He testified that Trump wanted him to submit his alternate electors. He laid this out in detail. He refused to do so. His political career basically ended there.
Wikipedia offers a very good narrative on this matching his testimony:
One might think, oh I don't know, for giggles sake, that in order to know what actually might have transpired, one might have had to actually watch said hearings to find out, but, you/they were told NOT to, cause what good could actually watching the sworn testimony from a vast majority of Republicans from the upper echelon Republican packed and Trump picked Administration, testify?. Testifying under oath. Testifying under circumstances where as there were actual penalties if found to be lying. So sorry, if we're not buying, cause all that crying about it not being fair when never even viewed by so many, taking just the biased word of so many others, instead of those under oath? , Then some far fetched 'new' excuse finding, yet another, to blame on what was clearly owned by Trump, and the boys are out running with it. Seems a little odd don'tcha think ? No really, don't you guys think ?
The pro Trumpers have always said that "Jan 6th" only consisted of the riot itself. Nothing from the two months before matters to them.
That is a ridiculous comment just made up to.......Who knows
Why watch highly edited, coached testimony that told only the narrative that TDS suffering morons wanted to hear?
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[✘] The Jan 6th committee flat out lied. They hid the truth; and then tried to destroy and hide the evidence.
Those that still believe the committee's bs despite the overwhelming evidence are the true traitors. The same ones that backed lawfare; weaponization of the IRS, CIA, FBI, and DOJ; two faux impeachments that didn't follow House rules; states trying to keep both Trump and RFK Jr off ballots- and then not letting RFK Jr remove his name from the ballot in swing states once he dropped out; and again backed a Democrat hand picked candidate that didn't win a single primary delegate.
But keep spouting BS. Don't learn from your mistakes. Make it that much easier for Republicans to win again at midterms- even if they do fuck things up. No Covid around this time to save Democrat asses.
Will you please tell us why Trump has consistently refused to answer when asked what he was doing in the White House on the afternoon of Jan 6th ?
Not my opinion, a fact.
No need to. Everyone has their "opinion". Sorry for the holes......................
You cant , would be a better way of putting it.
Truth be told you can't either. All you can do is make up a reason you think fits your narrative.
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Rewriting history.
Miller worked for Trump. To believe that Miller disobeyed a direct order from Trump to deploy the military and that Trump did nothing in response to such disobedience is a remarkable level of fantastic reasoning.
Laying out the alternate reality:
Trump: Deploy the military to protect the Capitol
Miller: No
Trump: (silence)
No other action to circumvent Miller. Instead Trump continues to watch and be informed of the violence. He does, however, wind up sending a tweet in the middle of the insurrection throwing Pence under the bus and fanning the flames.
Good grief.
Trump has exhibited immense consciousness of guilt about his lack of actions to end the riot.
It is amazing how persistent these MAGA are in trying to make excuses for him.
No problem. It will all come out at the trial.
I was just briefly looked at this committee report. In it they blame the FBI and the police for allowing the "protesters" to set up the gallows on the capitol plaza. Somehow it is supposed to be the law enforcements fault that the mob wanted to hang Mike Pence.
These people are pathetic.
FBI Director resigned day before IG report exposing the FBI assets fanning January 6th. Those on the January 6th committee are currently lobbying the Biden admin for pardons. Who begs for a pardon when no wrong doing took place?
After watching cities burned in the George Floyd rights Americans overwhelmingly know January 6th was a nothing burger.
May I present to you Kash Patel, if you thought you had TDS now, just wait!
What "City" burnt? No cities burnt.
Name them.
Delusion, at it's finest.
Wiki Arson fires during george floyd riots.
Not every single building in a city burned down therefore it was mostly peaceful is the delusion.
Oh FFS
It takes a special kind of denial to buy into cnn mostly peaceful protests with fires raging in the background
Switching to the seed topic, does it ring true to you that Trump ordered Miller to protect the Capitol with the military, that Miller defied the order, and that Trump did nothing to counter that denial while being fully aware of the violence at the Capitol ... and instead fanned the flames with a tweet that threw his own VP under the bus?
I've been saying for a couple of years now that we don't have the whole story.
In my experience, when you see behavior that looks out of place, there is probably a simple underlying explanation that you just don't know.
So what you are saying is General Milley lied to the IG office? the same General Milley who you hold up as a pristine individual with no faults when it comes to trump, you are now claiming he lied?
What "looks out of place" ?
P resident Donald Trump is predicting that the November election will be “the most corrupt election in the history of our country,” while spreading false claims and inaccurate statements about widespread voter fraud.
Speaking to students in Arizona on Tuesday evening, the President took aim at states’ efforts to expand voting by mail in order to encourage Americans to continue to social-distance amid the coronavirus pandemic , which has killed more than 100,000 Americans.
“The Democrats are also trying to rig the election by sending tens of millions of ballots using the China virus as the excuse for allowing people not to go to the polls,” Trump claimed, later adding: “This will be, in my opinion, the most corrupt election in the history of our country, and we cannot let this happen.”
Trump predicts ‘most corrupt election’ in US history while making false claims about mail-in voting | CNN Politics
The apparent lack of response on Jan 6.
No doubt there is a simple explanation for this. Here is one:
Trump did not order Miller to protect the Capitol with the military.
That is consistent with Trump not allowing a subordinate override him. And is consistent with Trump fully knowing (substantial evidence of this ... beyond common sense) that his supporters had violently breached the Capitol building yet it took hours before he told them to stop and go home. In the meantime he tweeted that Pence had failed them ... adding fuel to the fire.
I have not even mentioned General Milley. Do you think General Milley has stated that Trump ordered Miller to protect the Capitol with the military?
Do you consider the possibility that Trump was pleased that his supporters had breached the Capitol?
Consider in what way?
Yes. Trump was focused on his "stolen" election. He didn't have the attention for anything else. In fact, he probably didn't even know Miller had torpedoed him until much later, if at all. China could have invaded, and I doubt he'd have noticed.
Yes.
Yes. Answer, I don't know. Speculation: Probably.
You really think it is reasonable to believe that Trump was unaware that Miller did not deploy the military? That nobody informed him that the Capitol was under attack and make recommendations for what to do?
You paint that picture that Trump was in some kind of a trance and was unable to recognize urgent requests for him to step in.
Talking to these people is like talking to the wall.
They have this obsession with "proving" Trump ordered National Guard to be there, as if that alleged fact exonerates Trump. Even were it true (very doubtful), subsequent and previous actions are very damning of Trumps case for himself.
To know that though, you have to be familiar with the J6 committee.
You consider this an order from Trump to deploy the military (or whatever)?
So when Miller defied that 'order' you find it reasonable that Trump did nothing. That Trump would accept a refusal to comply with a direct order. That Trump would not take action to see that his 'order' was followed.
If Trump believed he had ordered Miller to deploy military ("or whatever") to the Capitol how do you find it plausible that Trump would allow his order to be ignored?
Trump's behavior on Jan 6 does not correlate with him giving a direct order to deploy military to protect the Capitol. But it does correlate with Trump being pleased that his supporters violently breached the Capitol. And it does correlate with the fact that Trump did NOTHING to stop this until hours later and in the meantime fanned the flames with his Pence tweet.
JR, best I can surmise, anyone who argues that Trump wanted to stop the breach of the Capitol is either lying for partisan reasons or just to be obnoxious, or is deluded with confirmation bias. Look at the arguments ... basically they boil down to " but there could be a reasonable explanation ". Yeah, well after almost four year now, with all the allegations, that reasonable explanation is doing a fine job of hiding from view.
If Trump had tried to defend the Capitol he would have been trying to sell that story for years. The fact that the best he can do is claim that he offered military support prior to the event while refusing to answer why he did not act as PotUS while the violence ensued illustrates that he sat on his thumbs and let it unfold.
This kind of reaction is far more consistent with the balance of the evidence:
Another deflection, the quote in the article is from Milley FFS! He heard it so Milley is either a fucking idiot or didn’t follow the president’s directions! There is no 2 ways to interpret that, an order from the president to the head of the joint chiefs. Who thinks miller is sitting in on briefings? Ridiculous ignorant comment.
You consider Trump's comment to be an order from Trump to deploy the military (or whatever)?
So when Miller defied that 'order' you find it reasonable that Trump did nothing. That Trump would accept a refusal to comply with a direct order. That Trump would not take action to see that his 'order' was followed.
If Trump believed he had ordered Miller to deploy military ("or whatever") to the Capitol how do you find it plausible that Trump would allow his order to be ignored?
Trump's behavior on Jan 6 does not correlate with him giving a direct order to deploy military to protect the Capitol. But it does correlate with Trump being pleased that his supporters violently breached the Capitol. And it does correlate with the fact that Trump did NOTHING to stop this until hours later and in the meantime fanned the flames with his Pence tweet.
No, but that doesn't describe what was happening. Mark Meadows, Trump's chief of staff at the time, was on the phone with Miller several times, asking him where the hell the Guard was. Reportedly, Miller made stuff up about getting the troops ready when, in actuality, they already were. Miller was intentionally dragging his feet, in other words.
Then you are mischaracterizing what I said.
I believe your comment above most definitely stated as much. 4.1.16
'China could have invaded, and he wouldn't have noticed' or something along those lines...
Having served over 20 years in the Army, yes, I do. That was exactly how I got my orders. Do you think orders have to be in writing or something? That the words "I hereby order you to..." are necessary? In reality, you sit there with your notebook while your commander tells you what he wants and what he intends. The intent is the main thing. That is, there is a literal part of carrying out one's duties called "commander's intent". All a commander has to do is say "I want you to set up a date for weapons qualification" and that's all he need do. It is expected that the subordinate will take care of all the details to make that happen, from reserving the range, transportation, rations, ammo, etc, to the After Action Review. The only thing the commander would need to add is if there were something not normally associated with weapons qual.
You're presuming that Trump would know that Miller was intentionally defying him at the time. Why would he know that? Do you think Miller was telling Trump "No. I'm not going to send the Guard"?
Again, Trump would necessarily have to know that he was being defied.
I disagree. I think you're operating on faulty assumptions. And, again, direct orders are not necessary. Doesn't work that way. All he has to do is tell them to do something and they do it or are supposed to. Miller's own words tells us that he never intended to deploy the Guard at all, no matter what Trump said. You seem to be forgetting that part. It's hardly a stretch of any kind to believe that Miller was telling everyone who was calling him some story as to why the Troops weren't ready but they're working on it.
What was Trump doing Drakk?
Again, Trump knew that his supporters had breached the Capitol, he had numerous people urging him to step in. Why did he not get on the phone with Miller and tell him to defend the Capitol? The PotUS has the authority to deploy and if Miller refused a direct order, the PotUS can act without Miller.
Read that particular interaction again. I was referring to whether or not Trump would notice that Miller was defying him, since that was the question TiG asked. Now he changes it as if I had responded to "unable to recognize urgent requests for him to step in", a different subject. Meadows was on the phone to Miller at several points in the day, asking where the Guard was and what was taking so long to get them to the Capital. Whether Trump had him do that or Meadows did that on his own we can't say but the White House was making an effort to get the Guard there.
Don't care. This article is about how the Jan 6th committee suppressed information in order to paint a specific narrative. If you don't want to talk about that, what are you doing here?
No, but I certainly would expect an order to be a declaration. Trump's declaration ostensibly was to defend the Capitol. He did not order Miller to deploy the military.
But let's pretend that Trump literally ordered Miller to deploy the military to defend the Capitol. In your experience, does a General issue an order and not follow up? Does a General issue an order and then when there is no evidence that said order was obeyed, would the General sit on his thumbs or would he take action to ensure his order was being followed? Now whatever applies to a general applies in even greater intensity with the CiC.
Because he was watching the violence on TV! Because several people including his family members asked him to step in and stop the violence. Hell, Drakk, I knew what was going on in real time (watched it unfold) and I have no connection whatsoever to the intelligence Trump was privy to.
No, I do not. Back to my first response, is it your experience that a commanding officer would, when his orders should have been executed, patiently wait for it to happen or does the commanding officer act to find out what the hell is going on?
I just do not understand what causes people to defend Trump against even the most obvious facts. How could Trump NOT KNOW that the Capitol was under attack and that his ostensibly ordered military were not there? How could that happen ... speaking realistically?
And when his orders are not followed ... and the Capitol is breached ... does he sigh 'oh, well ...' or does he act? Seriously, Drakk, when people make these kind of crazy arguments what are they trying to accomplish?
You seemed to care and now you do not care.
You are trying to come up with some magic combination of words to make your argument work. By Miller's and Milley's own words, they already had all that was necessary to deploy the Guard without any further input from the president. On top of that, Meadows was on the phone with Miller several times asking where the hell the Guard was. Miller's reply was not that he was waiting for the president to give him the order to deploy but that the Guard wasn't ready yet, a state denied by the entire chain of command in the Guard below flag officer level. They were ready to go before the rioters even got to the Capital.
No pretending is necessary.
Meadows, on his own initiative or by Trump's order, called Miller, wanting to know where the Guard was. Miller stonewalled them with crap about not being ready but that they're getting there or some such. They had no way of knowing that Miller was intentionally delaying the deployment.
TiG. If you take a moment and actually consider what I'm telling you, you won't have to keep asking the same questions. As far as Trump or his staff knew, Miller was caught by surprise and wasn't as ready as he should have been and was supposedly scrambling to get the Guard there. There was no way they could know Miller was actually working against them. We only found that out later in the Jan 6th hearings.
Again, that is exactly what Meadows was doing.
Nothing I've said defends Trump or is intended to do so. I'm simply stating what I believe is most likely concerning the White House's part in this.
Well, what I think is crazy is trying to make Trump responsible for everything. That's seriously crazy, to my way of thinking. Whatever parties that were responsible for Capital security before the rally even started was criminally incompetent, in my opinion. Add to that Miller's betrayal. Trump isn't responsible for that. One can blame Trump's language and word choices at the rally but, truth be told, I've heard countless politicians say the same sort of rhetoric. I've heard them tell us bald faced lies. I've heard them use "violent" language. And I've watched politicians and the media try to get every lie they could get to stick attached to what happened that day.
People can see those things, TiG. They can see what the Dems tried to do, and we're finding out more with the new Jan 6th investigation. I am not a fan of Trump. I did not vote for him. But people are tired of seeing the Dems and the Left trying, since 2015, to use any means, fair or foul, to take him down. They freaking paid some Brit to create the Steele dossier for crying out loud. They try to attach evil to every single thing he does, which is statistically unrealistic.
In the end, it just looks like a bunch of irrational people who've lost any ability to see anything but the narrative and they're obsessed.
There is no way that Trump did not know that the Capitol was breached.
There is no way that Trump did not know that the military were not there.
Many of us watched this in real time. We knew. No possible way Trump did not know.
Trump knew that his supporters had breached the Capitol. He did not act to prevent it. If he had ordered the military then he did not act to see why his order was not followed. What kind of a commander would issue an order and then not ensure that his ordered was followed?
What kind of a PotUS would watch his supporters breach the Capitol and not act ... except to send a tweet throwing his VP under the bus and thus fanning the flames?
Trump finally acted three hours later with a love letter to his supporters that asked them to go home.
And, once again, we're having entirely different conversations.
They dont have an answer , so they simply avoid the question.
I really don't understand how you can say something like this and not see the irony of it. The article is about the original Jan 6th committee suppressing information, not what Trump did or didn't do. You and TiG are avoiding the issue by asking unrelated questions. The avoidance is yours, sir.
SOP for some folks.
Questioning the J6 committee is ENTIRELY about trying to provide an alternative explanation of the J6 events that exonerates Trump.
The loudermilk committee information exists in the vacuum of the fact that the J6 committee doesnt exist anymore , and I dont know if individual members that are still in office are authorized to speak for it. Loudermilk is not seen as a credible figure outside of MAGA circles.
But even if much or most of what he alleges is true , it in no way exonerates Trump, which IS his intention whether you like it or not.
In terms of Trumps culpability for dereliction of duty, it simply doesnt matter what Milley told Miller, or Trump told Miller, etc, before the riot happened. It is KNOWN, not speculated , that the only phone calls Trump made during the riot were to congressional members asking them to stick with the eastman plan. Tig asks the most reasonable question, one which was posed in a somewhat different context in the movie A Few Good Men, when Col Jessup is asked on the witness stand if anyone would have disobeyed his order to leave the marine Santiago alone. If Jessup gave the order, why wasnt Santiago left alone? If Trump gave the order and it wasnt followed, why didnt he find out why? The answer is simple - Trump was happy to have his order ignored (if he ever gave it), because he wanted the riot to succeed. His duty was to try and stop the riot once it had started and he didnt. And if he claims he did, where are the deatils of that? Every single time he has been asked about this in an interview or in the debates he has immediately tried to change the subject and unfortunately the interviewers have let him.
If he is innocent of dereliction of duty than let him tells why that is so. he has never done that.
Trump didnt summon tens of thousands of people to Jan 6th so they could peacefully protest on a brisk January day. He summoned them so they could help him effect the outcome of the electoral vote certification by Congress.
This is so obvious it should go without saying.
At least Drakkonis tries to engage on the level of discourse. Most of the rest of you dont even try.
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The refusal to admit that in the end, know matter how one looks at and evaluates the events of that day, and why and what caused them to occur, irregardless of how far and wide the search for anything, ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING, to allow one to find a way where they can somehow affix blame to again, ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING or ANYONE, other than the true ACTUAL CREATOR of ALL of this DRAMA and BULLSHIT,
Donald John Trump
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I have never seen so many twist so much and so far to accommodate someone to being so innocent of literally thousands of violations of 'normal' behavior, and absolute 'abnormal' behavior and dereliction of duty from the bottom line reason, for the division and upheaval of a once great country, all to avoid taking blame, for what their own constant denial had allowed to occur.
As it started with the GOP and its allowance of one, one who absolutely had no business being elected and thus elevated to potus.
There were reasons far greater than this individual could ever realize, or his supporters can ever admit to, and apparently, that they and he will never accept or admit to, for why there was not a far greater sense of urgency and actual rightful blame placed on the true cause of the true mess this country has become. What the GOP excused to get to this point is not contestable. They enabled the cult that is maga to excuse and or justify every fucken damn lie and every fucken breach of our accepted moral and ethical norms accepted since our once great country's inception.
I blame those able to walk away from what they swear they have not caused or allowed, as they cannot, should i say, will not, ever own the one they have a second time, anointed to the throne, and it has been and unfortunately still is, one of the most disgusting, while perplexing, human behaviors ever witnessed in real time by so damn many having committed the crime that will forever stain this once great country. Human sheep used to justify ewes supporting their hidden feelings being excused so they can feel they know not what they do,did, and further while in the here and now, continue to enable, the steering of a sinking ships fate, by the means of their insecurities, that may have just sealed the deal they could not accept, and it has led US, to have become sewer grate, again, and after reading this seed, a growth that seems to have not an end
except,
possibly ours
The question is ignorant and has no basis in fact, it is what someone who never served in the military would ask. Let me clarify something for you John, since it's obvious you never served either, Commanders at that level, Generals, Colonels etc. do not give orders and then check to verify they are carried out, PERIOD! when they give an order it is followed. PERIOD, or heads will roll, and military careers will end, now some TDS suffering fool might ask why didn't trump fire Miller for not following through? well the order was heard by Milley not Miller. i'm betting Milley never followed through and in his last 10 days do you think that is the only thing trump was doing? 1. It appears Milley is a traitor for Jan 6 and not deploying troops around the capitol, and 2, for going outside the CoC to tell a Chinese general he wouldn't follow his CoC orders on Jan 8th, which brings us back to number 1 a habit of putting himself above a lawful president order.
In the title alone "Trump Didn't Just Offer Military to Protect Capitol, He Ordered It but Was Disobeyed" we have an attempt to deflect blame from Trump with an alternate scenario. The seed's scenario seeks to excuse Trump and blame Miller. So just cut the crap that an argument against this ridiculous attempt to deflect blame from Trump is off topic.
You object when we lay out absolutely obvious facts and logic that show that there is no way on the planet that Trump did not know that his supporters breached the Capitol and since he was PotUS and CiC, he had the highest level of power to act to protect the Capitol from that threat. Even if Miller refused a direct order from Trump to send in military to defend the Capitol, Trump as CiC has the power to discard Miller and get it done with a phone call.
The timeline alone is damning for Trump:
Chief Sund requested National Guard assistance at 1:49 pm. The Capitol was breached at 2:12 pm. Miller authorized deployment at 4:32 pm.
For 2½ hours (2:12 pm to 4:32 pm) our Capitol was breached before Miller authorized deployment. During this 2½ hours of violence prior to the deployment order, Trump fully knew what was going on.
There is no way that Trump was unable to use his power as CiC to issue a deployment order immediately ... no way that a 2½ hour delay was inevitable. No way that Trump could not have tweeted right after 2:12 pm for his supporters to cease & desist (as he eventually did with his love letter hours later). No way that Trump could not have gone on live TV and ask his supporters to stop.
To wit, there is no excuse for Trump allowing his supporters to breach the Capitol and him not acting for hours (except to tweet to them that Pence had let them down and thus fan the flames).
Also had Trump issued and order to anyone and it was ignored, Trump would have tweeted a dozen times about it. How did Trump NOT tweet about this were it true?
Sure. In this case...nothing happened. Why are we only hearing about his now? The guy who supposedly gave an order that was supposedly ignored also tweets about everything and anything on his mind has never said a word about it except to cast blame for security on to Pelosi. Does that not give you pause?
Exactly! No way would Trump allow an order from him to be ignored. The level of absurdity that some will pursue to rewrite history is quite amazing.
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Good question, but the answer that it provides will be ignored by you and the other posters who just won't let go of the Jussie Smollet level of denial.
Let's start with a simple yes or no question, Do you believe trump said: "Hey, I don't care if you use Guard, or soldiers, active-duty soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it's safe."
Just a yes or no will suffice.
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Yes, the military does have the expectation that orders are carried out. But that does not mean they do not engage in verification.
No manager, private or civilian, gives an order and then assumes that it is carried out. Anyone who does not verify that their orders are proceeding per their intent is incompetent and would not rise to high ranks (or rise through a corporation).
There is ALWAYS a verification process. There are ALWAYS reports from lower ranks charged with execution to the commanding officer.
Now, we are talking about Trump. Trump was never in the military. He is a private sector executive. He has a reputation for being hands-on. So not only would he need to verify just to run an organization, Trump was more of a micro-manager than most. You actually are trying to argue that Trump, in the case of a breach of the Capitol while he is the sitting PotUS, did NOT verify that his ostensible order was carried out. That even though he was fully aware that the Capitol was breached, he just assumed his 'order' was being properly executed and just sat on his thumbs watching the violence on TV and eating cheeseburgers. Doing nothing else to dissuade the violence ... just waiting patiently (hours) for his 'order' to be executed.
Truly amazing levels of desperate alternate realities that crumble under even basic scrutiny.
Again the opinion of one who didn't serve, so it will be summarily dismissed based on ignorance.
My comment was about Trump and you are the proof I am right.
Can't you see how this reads? You are saying that the J6 committee cannot legitimately be questioned. If the committee and what it produced cannot be questioned, what's to stop them from putting out whatever story they want people to believe? Can't you see the danger in that?
And the J6 committee existed in the vacuum of partisanship and was not seen as credible by half the nation. And I don't expect Loudermilk and his committee to do any better. But you know what? I'm one of those people who can think for themselves. I feel confident that, no matter who's lying and how much, if I do my own research I can probably come to at least an approximation of the truth.
You, on the other hand, give me the impression that anything that disturbs the narrative is of more concern to you than whether the narrative is true.
I don't care that much about a politician's stated intentions. I always assume they are lying in some way. In any case, this has nothing to do with whether this exonerates Trump or not. Not for me, anyway. What concerns me is that the public was misled by the J6 committee to one degree or another. That bothers me a lot. What bothers me most about it is how many don't care, as long as it somehow serves to damage or destroy Trump.
Great. If I feel like involving myself in that discussion, I know there are many articles you post that I can choose from.
It is a bullshit ploy pretending that one must serve in the military to know what takes place in the military (especially in terms of fundamentals). It is tacit admission that you know you are wrong.
Prove that chain of command communication is one way (top-down) with no verification / feedback loop so that commanding officers can verify that their orders are being properly executed and to give them the option to take further actions based on the reality of the execution.
It is a sure sign, it is not was not and will never be true.
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What alternate scenario? Are you saying it didn't happen?
Not that I read. It seems to me that it sought to discredit the J6 committee for suppressing facts like this article talked about.
How is Trump to blame for Miller's dereliction of duty? Did Trump talk Miller into it or something? Or are you just proceeding with all this as if none of what is in the article is true?
Yeah... SO not the subject. When you want to discuss the subject, get back to me. Until then, have a nice one.
Um... That's the point behind the seed, evilone. No one knew about it because it was suppressed by the J6 committee, or so it is claimed.
I served in both the Army and the Coast Guard. Communication between me and my supervisor was paramount. He knew where I was and what I was doing while on duty (and often while not on duty) every minute of the work day. The department met every morning to go over the work day and then at the end of the day to cover how it went. This is SOP.
I still carry that ethic in my current job over 20 years later. When my boss pokes his head in the office I'll tell him all the details of my morning. That's how it works.
Did they go back in time and change Trump's tweets about Miller to Pelose? Is that what you are trying to convince me of?
No, it isn't. You don't know what you're talking about. Generals have lots of assets under them. They absolutely do not sit around monitoring everything their subordinates are doing. When a general gives an order or otherwise tells someone to do something, it is as if God has spoken and it shall be done. That is the sort of confidence generals operate under, and if that confidence is not validated, only God in Heaven can help the one who invalidated it.
To what end? You're not going to believe whatever is said anyway.
Ding, Ding, Ding, We have a winner!
Dunno. Maybe it would be helpful if you posted a link to your evidence so I can see it?
Does the CEO of the company check with you and every employee on every directive he gives to make sure his employees are following them? you realize your boss is probably the equivalent of a 1st or 2nd lieutenant right?
With all due respect, this is a ridiculous argument. The fact is the Capitol was invaded by violent "protesters". The fact is Trump knew it because he was watching it on television. The fact is he did nothing to try and stop it for hours.
The fact is the president of the United States has a duty to try and intervene to end such violence.
The idea that is wholly someone else's responsibility (because a couple days earlier Trump may have told someone to prevent it) is absurd. The riot happened, and Trump knew it, and did nothing.
My point is there are no tweets about Miller not doing his job.
Here's a video of Trump blaming Pelosi.
Do you think the J6 committee went back in time and created a fake Trump video to cover for Miller?
Let me ask you again:
Let's start with a simple yes or no question, Do you believe trump said: "Hey, I don't care if you use Guard, or soldiers, active-duty soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it's safe."
Just a yes or no will suffice.
I'm not sure what your point is other than deflecting from the point Trump never said anything about Miller not following orders.
You can ask me all you want. I have no clue what the fuck Trump said or didn't say outside of public statements. All I know is that Trump publicly shifted the blame for J6 security to Pelosi, not Milley or Miller. Why would he do that if they didn't follow orders?
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And your refusal to address my point?
That was the statement given by General Milley to the Inspector Generals investigative team, The Jan 6 committee a partisan investigation seemed to have left it out.
I will say it again, General Milley TESTIFIED to the IG's office that trump said. "Hey, I don't care if you use Guard, or soldiers, active-duty soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it's safe."[✘]
Other than any facts that don't fit you already made up mind don't matter, what is your point? you are literally dismissing the IG report, the same one used by the Jan 6th committee.
The alternate scenario is that Trump issued a direct order to Miller and then was somehow entirely unaware that his order was not followed and that for some inexplicable reason Trump did nothing whatsoever to follow up on why the military he had ostensibly ordered was not at the Capitol.
How is Trump to blame for Miller's dereliction of duty?
Trump was the CiC. If Trump issued an order and did not verify that his order was executed in a manner that met his expectation then he was grossly derelict in duty. It simply is a stupid argument to claim that Trump is not at fault for allowing the Capitol to be breached for hours and do nothing other than throw Pence under the bus and fan the flames.
No executive or commanding officer can use the excuse: but, but, but I issued the order ... it is not my fault that my order was not properly followed. It is just amazing that anyone would even think to put forth such a pathetic argument.
The subject is the claim that Trump ordered military to protect the Capitol. Scrutinizing that claim is absolutely on topic.
I don't think either of those things bother me.
As you say, people didn't take the committee seriously. Generally speaking, objective people are not so stupid as to believe a high pressure sales pitch from people who obviously have a huge amount to gain by selling it.
Additionally, I've just accepted the fact that for whatever reason, there are a non trivial number of people in the world who simply cannot shake their obsession with Donald Trump. These are the same lunatics who accuse you of "defending Trump" any time you dare think for yourself and fail to engage in their hysteria. I half expect them to try to convince everyone that Trump shot Abraham Lincoln and then scream at anyone who disagrees.
As sad as that is... It is what it is.... and I've stopped thinking anything will assuage their anxiety.
January 6 was not an insurrection. It was an unimpressive riot in a season of much better riots, and this election declares officially that we as a nation never really listened to the sales pitch about it anyway.
Where are you pulling this bullshit from, the person who reported to the IG was Milley, do you have proof that Miller was given the order, Milley got the order, then committed treason for not following it.
You are making an utterly absurd claim and I dare you to back it up with fact.
I did not say that Generals sit around monitoring everything their subordinates do. I stated that commanding officers (generals and others) always have a verification / feedback. They always have direct reports who keep them abreast of the state of their orders. That no commanding officer of any competence would issue an order and then assume that everything is working as he or she expected and ignore any feedback / verification.
Do you believe that Eisenhower issued his Normandy assault order and then just assumed it would all work? Do you believe he had no verification / feedback loop wherein he stayed abreast of the situation and was able to take corrective action based on what actually ensued? Do you actually believe that commanding officers literally assume that nothing will ever go wrong with the execution of their orders?
Your are spouting bullshit and I dare you to deliver proof that it is normal protocol for a military commanding officer to issue a direct order and then engage in no verification / no feedback from direct reports.
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The minute an object is thrown and / or a fire started "peaceful" can no longer be applied to ANY of what happened.
Look. I'm not trying to be snarky but what's the point of replying to things like this when you don't read what I say? I've said several times in my replies to TiG that Meadows was on the phone, reportedly, asking Miller where the hell the Guard was while the riot was happening. Does that not mean something? I don't suggest by this that Trump satisfactorily did his due diligence, but it isn't as if he did nothing, as you seem to portray. Nor does this excuse or exonerate Trump. But it is apparently a fact. Who knows what else may be revealed?
I've done my best to engage you honestly concerning issue that really don't have anything to do with the seed. So, return the favor. Do you have a problem with Miller willfully disobeying or intending to disobey orders and do you have a problem with the J6 committee suppressing this information?
Read the seed. Here is an excerpt:
Sure, when actual argument fails, just support a strawman.
Is that a requirement that I don't know about? I'm not sure what you think that proves.
I don't understand what you're asking. How does this vid relate? What Trump said about the Mayor of DC is true, and what he said about Pelosi is technically true, but overstated. It wasn't her responsibility alone, as the responsibility is ultimately shared between her and her counterpart in the Senate. Further, I take what Trump was talking about was what took place before the 6th. What was done in preparation, not what was done on the actual day.
You state that you are not suggesting that Trump satisfactorily did his due diligence yet your arguments clearly are doing just that.
Trump was the CiC. The buck stops with him. The Capitol was breached for 2½ hours before Miller issued the order to deploy the guard. All the while, Trump knew that his supporters violently breached the Capitol. He sent out no tweet for them to cease and desist but he did tweet that Pence let them down and fanned the flames.
There is no evidence of any action from Trump to stop this yet he had all sorts of options as CiC. He did not get on a national broadcast (could have walked down the hall and be on live TV in minutes). He made no tweets (his favorite means of communication). He clearly did not use his authority because, bottom line, the guard was not deployed for 2½ hours.
But the reality is that Pelosi and others do share the blame for what happened on that day. They were not prepared. I know the Mayor turned down Trump's offer. I'm assuming that it's true that he also offered the same to Pelosi.
Where were they mentioned in the article?
You are trying to get Trump off the hook, and it is not possible.
That is incorrect. The Capital is responsible for security at the Capital. The Mayor has the responsibility for the rest of DC.Trump has no obligation there. He offered his support to Pelosi and the DC mayor and, apparently, both turned him down. In spite of that he gave orders to Millie and Miller to have the Guard or whatever troops they deemed necessary available should the Mayor or the Capital called for support. Stopping the riot was absolutely not his area of responsibility.
Something no one has mentioned in relation to that is that leading up to Jan 6th is that the Dems and the media were running stories about the concern that Trump would use the military to take over. That he would federalize the Guard if they got involved and use it to stage a coup of some kind. Ten former SecDef's actually wrote an opinion article published Jan 3rd cautioning "against any move to involve the military in pursuing claims of election fraud, arguing that it would take the country into “dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory”", as if Trump was actually talking about doing so (not that I've found).
Given that, my belief is that Pelosi and the Mayor turned down Trump's offer of the Guard because they wanted to continue this narrative for political effect. Also, Miller actually mentions it as part of his reason for intending not to deploy the Guard no matter what Trump said. So "Rome burned" partially because of a political narrative advantage. Nice.
And in case you are missing the subtext, how do you think it would have been received if Trump had bypassed Miller and the others, took personal control of the Guard and sent them to the Capital?
He is so on the hook he is now president of the United States, Where is Kamala now?
Well, you're free to believe what you want. I'm officially tired of trying to have an actual conversation concerning this. Have a nice day.
Donald Trump originated , approved , and participated in a plan to overthrow the results of the 2020 election. What he did or did not do on the afternoon of Jan 6 is only a piece of that , and not necessarily a big piece. Yes, I insist he had an iron clad responsibility to try and end the riot, and he didnt do that. Mark Meadows refused to testify before the J6 committee and we may never know what he said to the Smith grand jury. Some suggestion he instructed Miller to follow through on what Trump allegedly told him doesnt cut much mustard in the face of all the other facts.
Trump is a traitor.
This will fall on deaf ears, anything bad is trumps fault and responsibility, When it comes to Biden only good things are his, If someone says something bad about trump their character is unimpeachable, If the say trump did what he was suppose too than it's trumps fault it didn't happen.
And Trump doesn't seem to care his order was ignored. Instead he publicly blamed Pelosi.
You keep focusing on the trees while the rest of us watch the forest. Okay?
As noted, your arguments clearly are trying to defend Trump. (BTW you keep misspelling Capitol so ... FYI)
The PotUS holds the ultimate authority over the military and the ultimate obligation to protect the Capitol (and other federal sites) from violent attack.
There is no escaping this reality, Drakk. Trump knew the Capitol was breached by his supporters and he did not use his ultimate authority to ensure forces were sent to the Capitol to defend it.
He did not even tweet to his supporters to cease and desist until hours later when he sent his love letter telling the insurrectionists to go home (4:17 pm). But he did send a tweet at 2:24 pm about Pence letting them down ... fanning the flames.
There is no defending Trump in this situation ... the attempts are beyond ridiculous.
IF ORDERS WERE IGNORED WHY WERE THERE NO CONSEQUENCES? Does Trump just not care?
That's one opinion. Devoid of fact but an opinion nonetheless.
Thank you.
Because the information indicating that Miller betrayed Trump didn't come out until after Biden was president and the start of the Jan6 committee of course. Do you think the Biden admin or the rest of the Dems would do something about it?
Tell that to Trump allies facing charges or doing time for the false elector sham Trump and Cump came up with in an attempt to remain in power, after he, and many other co-conspirators knew that Biden had won the election. Serving prison time and being charged with crimes is not an opinion, it is a fact, and Trump was claimed to be aware of these electors, and in the loop. Trump is hands on, more than just pussies, and likes to be in charge over everything, as he proves often, while often lying about it.
Except when asked about Capital security he never said he gave orders. Instead he said it wasn't his job. That's a weird take....
Do you seriously believe Trump would take the heat if he thought it was plause able to just dump this in Miller's lap, cause that is just not even close to believable. Trump only claims ownership for things he perceives as 'good',whether he caused them or not, and owning and being blamed for this riot/insurrection is certainly not a good look for anyone, let alone the President, who has a sworn Constitutional Duty to uphold, and of course that meant nothing to him (the Constitutional Duty thingy, as it might get in the way of his plans to be like lil' Kim and Putin it in,) Trumps back door strategy was to have his fake electors void out the real ones, whilst the Capitol mayhem would postpone the official seating of Biden, giving them time to complete this twisted mission. I must say, your ability to find anyway, and I mean absolutely ANY WAY, to somehow a tempt to prove trump was not in, about, or just plain above the fray, is just a tad bit too much for me. I'm admittedly biased, as we all are to a degree, but i was taught critical thinking skills before I ever entered school, and tested fairly high, when not(high), before I wasted much of my intelligence, but I am still fairly confident in my abilities to see a reality when placed before me are certain sets of circumstances. In no possible way, after watching first hand the events of that day, can I not point the finger at Trump. From the big election LIE, to the phone calls to find more votes, to meetings with his cronies to find ways to bypass the normal transition with a Pence positioned to foil that which those with the hats of aluminum, foiled, as they wrapped their brain waves around destruction days of our normal transition build up power transfer with the idea that doesn't even call into question, let alone give an answer as to how Trump can be obscene as not the absolute number one factor in he becoming the/a benefactor of the bullshit goods he was attempting to sell that day. His tweet inviting the mob "it will be wild" don't miss it, and to the rules of this country, they can kiss it, all goodbye, and you know why, cause I'm Trump, I'm that guy. The one who attracts gullible minions because we share insecure and prejudicial opinions , creating insecurities that we can exchange cause they are mainly the same, and in exchange you will find i'm pretty insane when it comes to gettin my way, so don't get in my way, cause I'm a steamroller over your picnics and your parade, as i'm grabbinpussy yet have to pay $130,000.00 to get laid, as if it was something I might have said, like if you don't go to the capitol and fight like HELL, you won't have a country to fight for, anymore, and as he sent the mob on their way, he also wanted to go and stay where he knew may lay, as he also knew there were not 10,000 National Guard Troops as he may have suggested, an know it really had upsetted Trump when he asked for A Military Parade Denied to he(thus Y I believe he wanted Troops on hand, to try and project that power that he so did admire), cause when in N' Korea and or Moscow, Trump really was impressed at how the Military was saluting their despotic dicktatertot Tyrants, while i'm guess in you have groan tired of my ignorant rants, and that's fine, but to witness the denial of so many whom have not even of heard the high ranking officials testimony's as whence under oath and on trial, is just all the while too much denial all the while to float on past some others of US here, so, i'll grab another beer, and look for a Charger, and wait for possibly some others, to think more clear.
Not if you understand who's responsible for what. The president doesn't have unlimited power. The Guard isn't his to command. That is, the Guard doesn't fall under him in the chain of command. The Commander in Chief of Guard units are the governors of the states they come from. There is a special procedure for Guard units in DC, which has none of its own. They come from other states and are on loan to the Pentagon, but they remain state troops, not federal. The president can't directly order the Guard to do anything. Only certain persons at the Pentagon. SecDef, Secretary of the Army and Secretary of the Air Force. The president can order the SecDef to ask for Guard units from whatever state, but that's about it. It's questionable if he can even order the SecDef or the others to deploy the Guard once DC has them. Again, this is because they are state troops on loan to the Pentagon, not federal troops, which are in the president's chain of command.
So, it literally is not the president's job. Not only is it not the president's job, he would actually be committing a criminal act if he tried to take control of them. There is not a connection between the Guard and the president unless the Guard is federalized, for which there is a procedure.
I just found out I was wrong about DC not having its own National Guard. It does. Further, it is the only one that falls within the president's chain of command. That is, he controls it.
What governor(s) did Trump call on Jan 6th and request they deploy their troops at the Capitol? OR inquire how long it would take them to mobilize ?
Well, for one thing, your post is like that movie title, "Everything, everywhere all at once", meaning you're talking about every grievance about Trump imaginable in one go.
I'm talking about a very specific issue. The delay of the Guard, what caused it, who was responsible and why was it suppressed by the committee. Trump can be guilty of most of whatever you think he's guilty of but he wasn't concerning anything to do with CapitOl (just having some fun TiG) security or the Guard.
Personally, I find it amazing that people don't seem the least concerned that the SecDef was intentionally derelict in his duty. One of the most vital positions in government and nobody cares.
You're kidding, right? Why on earth would he do that when the Guard was already there, sitting in busses and waiting for the word to go?
So Trump didn't order Miller to see to security? Make up my mind... How do you logically go from Trump ordered Miller to make it safe, but the order was ignored order to he doesn't have the authority?
I think people care if Miller was derelict in his duty. But, naturally, people would care more that the PotUS / CiC intentionally allowed the breach of the Capitol by his supporters to ensue for hours.
Who did Trump call? It a simple question.
Oh yeah, nobody.
Not true. As I've repeatedly pointed out, Meadows, Trump's chief of staff, called Miller repeatedly to ask him what was taking so long and to get them there. That's the same as Trump calling himself, unless you're just making up some rule that it doesn't count unless Trump does it personally. I'm assuming we're not in the 6th grade.
Can you give us the link for that.
Sure. I know you're going to complain about the source being the Federalist, but the highlighted quotes are from transcripts of testimony given at the committee hearings. They aren't make up by the Federalist.
Again, we are right back to opinion. OR you can back up that claim with acutal proof.
Yes because throwing out an insult the very first response is always the best way to hold a civil conversation s/
yea yea, we know , Trump is NEVER GUILTY of ANYTHING, it's all some giant witch hunt that keeps getting peoples in close proximity to he, thrown in prison, dis barred, fined, and or pardoned by Don Pardoe, cause it is all just coincidence after coincidence but Hillary and Biden, you are positive, are guilty beyond a doubt, cause that is what you wish to sum how pass, while not running that route.
The problem is proving that guilt. To date the Democrats / Left haven't. Shrieking about it daily isn't going to prove anything.
As opposed to "Trump is always guilty of everything"?
yep, but watching so many in denial, sure does unfortunately, prove my moniker to be a tad too accurate.
actually, i'm all for it.
Have to ask though, Is Trump, in your eyes, guilty, guilty of anything...?
What you are calling "denial" is merely a difference of opinion. You want to make it denial, then prove the claims.
The counter question is when was guilt proven. Remember, hurt feelings don't mean anything.
Some stuff, yeah. Probably things he hasn't even been accused of, as well.
It's not like he's ever been a honest man.
What I find irritatingly ridiculous is the constant quai-hysterical stream of accusations about even the most mundane issues and the relentless push to make them appear more important than they are.
And then we couple that with the moronic blind defense of anything Democrats do.
That shit is just begging to be mocked. Not sorry
Practice what you preach or cease the preaching, please.
Well, that would also be a matter of opinion.
Cause I was not a big fan of Biden, but he wasn't Trump. Nor a big fan of Kamala, but again not Trump. I believe the two-party lobbyist bought and brought forth, if taken a poll, it would probably point North, as is the season, and with the acceptance of Trump., the exception, is just about one of the worst poor excuse for a man, for a person, and especially for a President of the United States of America, that one could probably find. With the GOP willing to overlook the crook, the Pro Con, the thieving Lying Weasel possibly on occasion, cocaine, asz he's insane in the membrain, insane inn the brain muffin topped with some weird stuffing, ever look closely at his heir apparent? cause apparently that Orange glob atop the decadent suave slob is a dollar, a doll hair pulled a head of the rest, amd when it comes to lowlife creeps, Don picked one of the best of the worst, as we are, in my opine, screwed by Trump the swine pent housed in slime that he spreads like thrown up wine whilst whining about winning while being the largest loser ever beginning termination, as he attempts to accelerate ours, as lowering barrs, to limbo under the snakes bellies in her head, ahead of schedule that wasn't scheduled, as Trump has left US disheveled, in the sunken sink thrown out width the baby, so many times, it has to be a crime. Ok , i needed to kill sum time, and I am now free to go. BEER !
Your keeping track of that while the rest of us wait for the proof he incited it.
To most leftists, saying "peacefully and patriotically" is incitement, since many of them are neither.
Your right , Trump only invited many of his supporters cause it would be wild, after LYING to them for two months about an election steal, with no evidence needed of course, cause we all nom Trump would never Lie, unless sitting up in bed. If you guys weren't afraid to view the hearings, you might have a little knowledge about WTF happened, but that would be silly, informing yourselves...
Sorry. I don't see proof. Just, what I consider, your opinion.
"Hey, I don't care if you use Guard, or soldiers, active-duty soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it's safe."
This isn't trump claiming he said this, This is Milley's testimony to the IG's office, Did Milley lie? if not then someone failed to follow orders, and trump did absolutely request protection for the capitol.
When you elect a clown who constantly needs his statements explained for him, cause he is often 'joking', or not serious, guess what, you can't tell when he is. If he didn't invite his people to the it's gonna be wild, then fire em up with a hate inspired speech, then when they were rioting, didn't stay silent for a few hours....?? We wouldn't be talking bout this joke of a man.
Of course that will be ignored or rewritten by those that thought Trump was guilty before the J6 clown show and just used that as confirmation bias for a conclusion that they had already made.
First deflection, they thought he was joking, TDS at it's finest.
Fuck Trump. He is guilty as hell. That is why you never hear him explain what he was doing.
When your starting point is "Trump is evil" most of the rest is just pretzel logic in order to support the starting point. Then the TDS inflicted get upset when they repeat the same thing again and again and the folks not afflicted pretty much ignore them. Seems some have given up the narrative (even Joe and Mika) but there are still come hangers on (Chaney) trying to remain (or be) relevant.
No thanks, he is not my type
What is hell guilty of?
And if he explained what he was doing you would believe him and publicly say so? No? Then why should he bother?
Why didn't Biden charge him then? Senile or just too stupid?
Well, by George, I B leave I would like for you to answer a small question that I pose. Have you , or have any, ever felt the need, to tell me or any other, what Trump did actually mean, after Trumps statements were so far fetched, and convoluted, that an invertabrae was brought inn to contortion and bend something into a form that could then be explained to the public,, cause there have been so many instances as to what OTHERS were needed to TELL US ALL, what it is TRump MEANT, and YOU know Damn Well what i speak of, so please do deflect for me what it is that shields you, and so many other people, from admitting, that Trump is one GUILTY POS !???? WTF people, who wants to be the first to claim they have never decided what TRump really meant/ ?
We await patiently for the first to state they bhave never had to translate something Donald did say or tweet,this shall be FUn and neeto, watch out for the Mosquito
Wouldn't one need to be either senile or stupid, to think that Biden would or could, charge Trump...//?
You are on the right path.
Which part, exactly, is an order?
People who are confused should read the opinion given by federal district court judge David carter on Oct 18 2022
With good reason. Trump spent the preceding two months lying to millions of his supporters that the election was fraudulently “stolen.” As a direct result of that lying, several thousand gullible fools then showed up to the Capitol on January 6, 2021 to protest a perfectly legitimate and legal counting of Electoral College votes.
But for Trump’s lies, none of those people would have even been there at that time, and none of them would have been convinced that anything Constitutionally inappropriate was happening that day.
While I am sure there are security lessons to be learned, blaming the events of that day on anyone else is pure gaslighting.
Bottom line, if not for Trump LIES about a stolen election, even after LOSING what, 64 out of 65 court cases claiming voter fraud, ballot manipulation, dumping of ballots, voting machines CHANGING Trump votes to Biden's as these rather costly claims, cost ole Fox ""news""" $780,000,000.00 SEVEN HUNDRED and EIGHTY MILLION damn DOLLARS, and the backdrop to this hilarity is TRump and crooked cronies i call Cump, Trump and Cump were out creating new replacement electors, to override the actual LEGAL ones, cause, cause Trump said the election was rigged and stolen, while NO evidence ever supported this hollow boast from a POS LIAR that shouldn't be anywhere but behind bars in PRISON, NOT a president elect.
Trump inviting those that wound up fighting, fighting for a false idea, fighting for a false man, all in support of one giant LOSER, LIAR, Lilith Fair DIVA Drama Mama, that about US had not a care, not a care about the people voting, and about our COUNTRY tis of thee, because they would have also NEVER BEEN THERE had Trump not INVITED them, as 'be there, it will be wild' was his invite on social media, and then when there at his hate rile up speech, 'you better fight like hell, or you won't have a country to fight for left' in some similar wording, then watch the riot for a few hours on tv, then send an inflamatory tweet that could have very well ended Pences' life, and ALL OF THIS,
PREDICATED ON A LIE !
It is Donald Trumps FAULT this event took place on Jan 6th 2021
and all apologies Tacos', just venting a bit and I know you see things similar to what I do, but these cult members with a never ending gob stopper X mass murder rapper dick slapper consumers of NOT KOOL aides, are in such a denial that they would probably deny it, but hey, lying like this is just so over the top, it's like he undered the bottom, cause who, WHO, could actually top the lowest of our Politicians,cause I cannot thinkl of one off the top of my head, but let me check my heir lines....
So Miller went right along with the misinformation coming from a blogger 2 week prior and disobeyed a command from his superior.
It's amazing how, as more people look in to it, the J6 Shitshow becomes more and more corrupt.
I hope the Trump admin will be able to recover all of the erased files by the corrupt democrats of the J6 committee so we can see the truth.
As it's looked at more and more it becomes more obvious the corruption amidst the committee. Everything from the deleted files, altered evidence and witness tampering.
It's interesting and amusing that something that happened four years continues to be discussed as if it matters.
Biden won fair and square despite all the fraud and cheating. The voters learned their lesson this time after watching the slow-motion disaster that summarizes the Biden administration and created a trifecta that has the potential to turn this country in the right direction.