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Inside Ecuador-bound C-17 military plane deporting 80 illegal immigrants

  
Via:  Jeremy in NC  •  3 weeks ago  •  66 comments

By:   McDonnell Douglas (New York Post)

Inside Ecuador-bound C-17 military plane deporting 80 illegal immigrants
More than 80 illegal migrants nabbed under President Trump's border crackdown were recently loaded onto a C-17 military plane in El Paso, Texas for a one-way flight back to Ecuador.

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More than 80 illegal migrants nabbed under President Trump's border crackdown were recently loaded onto a C-17 military plane in El Paso, Texas, for a one-way flight back to Ecuador.

Fox News got access to the repatriation flight, which took off from Biggs Army Airfield late Tuesday morning carrying 43 women and 37 men, including several families.

"The take-home message here is, 'Not today, not today, not tomorrow, not next week,'" US Border Patrol Special Operations Supervisor Hamid Nikseresht told the outlet.

"Do not come to the United States and enter illegally."


#EXCLUSIVE: Fox News gets exclusive access to the latest repatriation flight from El Paso to Ecuador. We got to see inside the C-17 as more than 80 illegal migrants were loaded inside and removed back to their home county. The Pentagon has said that the military will help deport… pic.twitter.com/da2Bd55IXv
— Brooke Taylor (@Brooketaylortv) January 29, 2025

Border Patrol officials said the passengers were in the US illegally and had been nabbed between ports of entry checkpoints, smuggling operations or stash houses, according to Fox News.

One of Trump's first actions upon taking office was declaring a national emergency at the southern US border, opening the door for the federal government to marshal additional military resources to address the crisis.

On top of deploying an additional 1,500 troops, the Department of Defense is providing airlift support for Department of Homeland Security-operated flights, including the one to which Fox News was granted access.

The Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, developed for the US Air Force in the 1980s and 1990s by McDonnell Douglas, is frequently relied upon for tactical and strategic airlift missions — helping ferry troops and cargo where it's needed around the globe.

Customs and Border Protection told the outlet that the plane is a major asset in swiftly getting illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin.

"With the support of our Department of Defense partners, we're sending the message that if it takes you 30, 60 or 90 days in some cases, to come to the United States illegally, enter, once you're found amenable to removal under Title 8, we can have you back in your home country within seven hours," Nikseresht said.

"That puts you pretty much anywhere in Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador and anywhere in between."

Some of the flight crew on the Ecuador-bound C-17 were on the flights transporting illegal migrants to Colombia that were briefly turned away by President Gustavo Petro.

Petro quickly changed his tune once Trump threatened to slap a 25% tariff on goods imported to the US from the South American country — even promising that would jump to 50% in a week.

The US Embassy in Ecuador on Wednesday morning shared photos on X of the flight arriving and the migrants exiting the aircraft under the watchful eye of US Army personnel, with family members greeting them by a bus parked on the airport tarmac.

"We are firm in our commitment to ending illegal migration and strengthening US border security," Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in the embassy's post.


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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 weeks ago

80 on a C-17 Globemaster III is actually pretty damn comfortable.  And it's a much smoother flight than other Air Force Aircraft.

The Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, developed for the US Air Force in the 1980s and 1990s by McDonnell Douglas, is frequently relied upon for tactical and strategic airlift missions — helping ferry troops and cargo where it's needed around the globe.

In the video you can see inside the aircraft.  The set up for the seating allows for a lot of room.  When the 82d Airborne jumps from the C-17 there are 100 paratroopers and flight crew.  Additional seat can be added for larger passenger movement as well.

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.1  squiggy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    3 weeks ago

The guy who has to clean that toilet...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    3 weeks ago

I only hope they fumigate the planes after transporting such a shipment.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago

Not saying these people are nasty.  I've seen some pretty nasty Americans.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Where have they been living? Were they homeless?

Those planes need to be fumigated.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    3 weeks ago

And it only cost about eight times as much as the tradition means of passenger flight.  Where is DOGE?!

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    3 weeks ago

and if they had not been let in, there would not have been any cost for this flight. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  charger 383 @2.1    3 weeks ago

Deflecting from my comment?  

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.2  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Pointing out how this cost and other problems could have been avoided by identifying the root cause

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

That’s nice.  Republicans are in charge now, so time to stop crying about the past and start leading.  Where is DOGE?!

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.4  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

When they are gone the costs and problems are gone so the sooner that happens the less total taxpayer money is actually spent. Use the assets available to remove the problem quickly

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

This is a very simple question.  Why spend 8 times more than you need to on such an expensive operation?

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.6  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

Loading then on railroad autoracks and hauling then to the border would have been cheaper. But some would complain about that

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.6    3 weeks ago

Ok.  Are you going to answer my question or just keep bobbing and weaving?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.8  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.3    3 weeks ago
Where is DOGE?!

Shutting down all your idiotic DEI programs to save money. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.9  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.8    3 weeks ago

lol.  Name one.

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.10  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

Was an 8 times cheaper arrangement available?  

The military plane was ready to go and back for another load quickly.  

Military flight crews must stay qualified, these flights also fulfill that.   

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.11  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

Sending this message is worth a lot. It will discourage others from trying to come

      "we're sending the message that if it takes you 30, 60 or 90 days in some cases, to come to the United States illegally, enter, once you're found amenable to removal under Title 8, we can have you back in your home country within seven hours," Nikseresht said."

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.12  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.10    3 weeks ago

Wow, talk about grasping at straws.  Now your story is that it was soooo urgent to get those dirty brown people out of the country that we needed to load them on a military plane designed to carry thousands of tons of tanks.  Funny how republicans didn’t have any trouble finding commercial flights for immigrants.  What will be your excuse when he does this a thousand more times?

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.13  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.12    3 weeks ago

you are trying to use the cost to solve the problem to justify keeping illegals here? 

 
 
 
George
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2.1.14  George  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.12    3 weeks ago
those dirty brown people

The lefts racism just never stops, other than you can you show anyone who has referred to them as Dirty brown people?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.15  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.13    3 weeks ago

Not at all.  Like I keep saying, republicans are now in charge and they need to lead now.  If you’re going to send them out of the country then it’s not too much to ask that it be done with some sense of fiscal responsibility.  Since you’re obviously not going to trust me, do yourself a favor and look up the costs associated with this boneheaded approach for yourself.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.16  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.15    3 weeks ago
some sense of fiscal responsibility.

This coming from a member of a party that had zero fiscal responsibility for 4 years.

Hell, even your DEI hire VP spent 1.2 billion dollars for a what should have been an easy election and was still 200 million in debt after the election. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.17  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.12    3 weeks ago
Now your story is that it was soooo urgent to get those dirty brown people out of the country that we needed to load them on a military plane designed to carry thousands of tons of tanks.

That's a pretty racist comment.   Maybe educating yourself on the demographics of the illegals would be beneficial right now.

The C-17 not a little POS aircraft.  I recommend you do some research.  Maybe this will help get you started:

General Characteristics
Primary Function:  
Cargo and troop transport
Prime Contractor:  Boeing Company
Power Plant:  Four Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 turbofan engines
Thrust:  40,440 pounds, each engine
Wingspan:  169 feet 10 inches (to winglet tips) (51.75 meters)
Length:  174 feet (53 meters)
Height:  55 feet 1 inch (16.79 meters)
Cargo Compartment:  length, 88 feet (26.82 meters); width, 18 feet (5.48 meters); height, 12 feet 4 inches (3.76 meters)
Speed:  450 knots at 28,000 feet (8,534 meters) (Mach .74)
Service Ceiling:  45,000 feet at cruising speed (13,716 meters)
Range:  Global with in-flight refueling
Crew:  Three (two pilots and one loadmaster)
Aeromedical Evacuation Crew:   A basic crew of five (two flight nurses and three medical technicians) is added for aeromedical evacuation missions. Medical crew may be altered as required by the needs of patients
Maximum Takeoff Weight:  585,000 pounds (265,352 kilograms)
Load:  102 troops/paratroops; 36 litter and 54 ambulatory patients and attendants; 170,900 pounds (77,519 kilograms) of cargo (18 pallet positions)
Unit Cost:  $202.3 million (fiscal 1998 constant dollars)
Date Deployed:  June 1993
Inventory:  Active duty, 157; Air National Guard, 47; Air Force Reserve, 18

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/1529726/c-17-globemaster-iii/#:~:text=C%2D17%20Globemaster%20III%20taxis,Operations%20Enduring%20and%20Iraqi%20Freedom .

It is a much smoother and more comfortable flight than a Boeing 777 with far greater reach. 

The operation is far cheaper than using civilian aircraft in that the flight hours are paid via the DoD Budget and includes training for the flight crew (you can't accomplish the same training on a civilian aircraft).  

This is also the same aircraft that was used to get "refugees" out of Afghanistan when Biden made the decision to retreat and leave the Taliban $500 million in military equipment.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.18  Hallux  replied to  George @2.1.14    3 weeks ago

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Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.19  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.17    3 weeks ago

Uhhhh … yeah, those characteristics are compiled for the military usage it is intended for.  To call it cheaper and crow about it being smooth and comfortable is ridiculously obtuse.  Being comfortable would be the first reason you guys would balk at using it for this purpose, but since your cult leader called for it you are all about the comfort of immigrants now, huh?  It is a colossal waste of our tax dollars, a fact which is born out in many sources if you care enough to do the research.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.20  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.19    3 weeks ago
those characteristics are compiled for the military usage it is intended for.

So what's the problem?  Not function.  Not those being transported.  

To call it cheaper and crow about it being smooth and comfortable is ridiculously obtuse.  Being comfortable would be the first reason you guys would balk at using it for this purpose

I've given you an example for possible funding in 2.2.2.  But I did forget to include the money saved because they won't be leeching of programs for US citizens any longer.

As somebody who has flown on the C-17, C-130 and C-5 internationally and jumped from them with the 82d Airborne, the C-17 is THE preferred aircraft BECAUSE it is a smoother flight and more comfortable.

you are all about the comfort of immigrants now, huh?

Honestly, It's not my problem if these illegals are uncomfortable on the plane.  

It is a colossal waste of our tax dollars, a fact which is born out in many sources if you care enough to do the research.

THERE IT IS!!!!!  The hypocrite response.  You were good with Biden sending billions to other countries and wasting it on illegals.  But Trump spends money to protect the country, you have a problem.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.21  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  George @2.1.14    3 weeks ago

Charger calls them feral cats every time he has the opportunity.  At least I’m being sarcastic.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.22  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.20    3 weeks ago

What is it with you guys and your automatic whataboutisms?

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.23  charger 383  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.21    3 weeks ago

That's my name for them

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.24  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.22    3 weeks ago

Why deflect?  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.25  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.21    3 weeks ago
Charger calls them feral cats every time he has the opportunity.

Does that hurt your feelings?  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    3 weeks ago

So NOW cost is an issue? 

At any rate, the flow of money to Ukraine has ceased to there is a few billion to pay for that.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.2.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2    3 weeks ago

Seriously, we’re not talking about a small amount of money.  To use this method (ie macho military optics) would run into the billions or more to accomplish what Trump wants to do.  Again - where is DOGE?!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.2.1    3 weeks ago

Seriously, you're worried about cost NOW.  What's the sudden change?

Seriously, we’re not talking about a small amount of money.

Well, the money being funneled to Ukraine has come to an end.  There there is a few billion for funding.  Leaving the Paris agreement frees up a few more billion.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.2.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

lol, seriously, you’re not concerned about reckless government spending all the sudden?  Why does DOGE exist?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.4  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

Why are you suddenly concerned over it.  Oh wait...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.2    3 weeks ago
Leaving the Paris agreement frees up a few more billion.  

Nonsense.  The Paris Agreement is voluntary.  Don't like the emissions targets, change them.

No penalties, nothing paid.  Savings, ZERO.

As  Bård Harstad , a professor of political economy at  Stanford Graduate School of Business , explains, the 2015 pact allows the 196 countries that signed it to set their own carbon emissions targets. If they don’t achieve those targets, they may revise their pledges without penalties. “The emission cuts are not legally binding, and a country has the freedom to revise the pledge,” says Harstad, also a professor at the  Stanford Doerr School of Sustainability . “It’s a bit puzzling that a country like the U.S. would consider leaving an agreement where they can do almost whatever they want.”

The Paris Agreement gives countries options. Leaving isn’t meant to be one | Stanford Report

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.6  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.5    3 weeks ago
The Paris Agreement is voluntary.

And the US was "voluntarily" paying about $3 Billion.  And it dates back to Obama.

The Obama administration pledged $3 billion to the climate fund, but the U.S. has only paid in $1 billion so far. John Kerry, the U.S. climate envoy, recently announced that the U.S. would “make good” on the rest of money it had pledged to the Green Climate Fund.

Savings, ZERO.

It's a $3 savings that is better spent here in the US.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.6    3 weeks ago

Did you read the article? 

It was a voluntary pledge to an international fund. 

Only a $billion was paid in under Obama. 

The rest never materialized under Obama, Trump or Biden.

Thanks for the info.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    3 weeks ago

And suddenly democrats are worried about cost.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3    3 weeks ago

Does anybody really think the civilian carriers Biden was using were not gouging the government right and left for those flights? Compared to that, the use of military aircraft probably comes out cheaper in the long run.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.3.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

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Hal A. Lujah
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2.3.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

You are guessing about something Biden did and then using that overtly biased guesswork to deny something that is so obviously factual.   Actual news reporters have provided these figures to the dollar.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.3.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.3.3    3 weeks ago
Actual news reporters have provided these figures to the dollar.

Emphasis mine...........

likely cost at least $4,675 per migrant, according to data provided by U.S. and Guatemalan officials.

Yeah, that's nailing it down................../S

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.5  bugsy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.4    3 weeks ago
likely cost

In other words...

Numbers out of the ass.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.3.6  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.4    3 weeks ago

It costs between 25,000.00 to $28,000.00 per flight hour to fly the C17

mostly because it uses four times the fuel as a standard commercial jet.

Using these behemoths to fly 80 people to anywhere is a waste of resources

especially if we need them sometime in the future for their actual purposes.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.3.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @2.3.6    3 weeks ago

It would cost even more to use a C-5M Super Galaxy. Besides, many regional airports in South and Central America do not have long enough runways to accommodate anything larger than C-17 or a C-130, both of which are specifically designed for STOL (Short Takeoff & Landing) operations. The 80 passengers on that C-17 would easily have been accommodated on a C-130 at a most likely cheaper cost.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.3.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.3.7    3 weeks ago

A 747-400 costs the same at around $25K - $35K per hour to operate. So we absorb it into the military budget rather than pay an airline that fee plus...................

The cost per flight hour for a Boeing 747 can range from $1,000 to $35,000, depending on the type of 747, the aircraft's location, and demand. 
Factors that affect the cost per flight hour
  • Type of 747The cost per flight hour for a Boeing 747-400 is different from the cost for a Boeing 747-8I VIP. 
  • DemandThe price to charter a 747 can fluctuate based on demand. 
  • Aircraft locationThe price to charter a 747 can fluctuate based on the aircraft's location. 
  • MaintenanceThe cost of maintenance depends on the age of the aircraft, the type of maintenance, and how often it's performed. 
  • Landing feesLanding fees vary by airport and depend on the size of the aircraft and the length of the runway. 
  • FuelThe cost of fuel for a 747 can range from $1,000 to $2,000 per hour. 
Examples of 747 cost per flight hour
  • The average hourly rental rate for a Boeing 747-400 is around $30,950. 
  • The average hourly cost to charter a Boeing 747 airliner is around $35,000. 
  • The cost to fly an Air Force One 747 is around $177,000 per hour. 
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3    3 weeks ago
And suddenly democrats are worried about cost.

And suddenly Republicans aren't worried about the cost.

Both reactions are completely predictable because this is politics and each side has to play their games. Each side has to pretend that they love it when they party spends money and that nothing is wrong with funding programs your party supports while also being overly critical of any programs your opponent is supporting and wanting to fund.

One interesting trend which I'm sure we'll see once again with the new Republican administration, is that historically, Republican administrations almost always run the deficit up giving massive tax breaks to corporations and all their wealthy doners, and then the next Democratic administration will have to come in and attempt to reduce the deficit spending but get blamed for it being so high, and when they don't reduce it by enough, Republicans use that as a reason to attack them and get themselves back into power to start the cycle all over again with out of control deficit spending for corporations and billionaires pushing their broken trickledown economics and then waiting for Democrats to come in and fix it. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.3.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.3.9    3 weeks ago
And suddenly Republicans aren't worried about the cost.

Sometimes, just sometimes, the end justifies the means. And this is  a perfect example of that

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.11  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.10    3 weeks ago

The spending isn't like it was for the past 4 years.  With the money flow to Ukraine and the Paris agreement stopped, it freed up BILLIONS to cover the cost of use of the aircraft and provides training to flight crews.

Sometimes, just sometimes, the end justifies the means.

And the use of the C-17 sends a message.  They could be cramming them into C-130Js for an uncomfortable bumpy flight.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.12  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.10    3 weeks ago
Sometimes, just sometimes, the end justifies the means. And this is a perfect example of that

Perfect for you perhaps, others seem to have an issue with it. Everyone thinks what they want to spend government money on is justified, this is no different.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.13  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.3.12    3 weeks ago
Everyone thinks what they want to spend government money on is justified, this is no different.

So what was the justification for spending billions on programs for illegals instead of citizens?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.14  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.3.7    3 weeks ago
The 80 passengers on that C-17 would easily have been accommodated on a C-130 at a most likely cheaper cost.

Palletized seats can be placed in both the C-17 and C-130 increasing their passenger capacities.  They will run out of space LONG before they reach any kind of weight limitations and keep the same flight ranges.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.3.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.14    3 weeks ago

I have flown on Hercs both with palletized seats and with nylon strap jump seats. Even for extended flights, the palletized seating in not that uncomfortable whereas the jump seats are. On my numerous trips to and from New Zealand to McMurdo Station, Antarctica all the ski equipped Hercs I rode on were were jump seat equipped. Eight and a half hours flying time each way with passengers packed in like sardines and palletized cargo loads as well. Now that was not comfortable trust me. As long as the Air Force stuck to the minimum passenger requirements, the deportees in the back would probably be okay.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.16  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.3.15    3 weeks ago
the palletized seating in not that uncomfortable

That is such an understatement.  On the C-130 the jump seats are far more comfortable, but you put 64 combat equipped jumpers in there, it's tight.  As a Jumpmasters on them, we would have to walk across the rucks strapped to the jumpers to get from the forward portion of the aircraft to the paratroop doors in the aft section.  In-flight rigging on a Herc was a nightmare.  EVERYBODY is air sick.

C-17 there is plenty of space with the jump seats.  Palletized seats are the same ones used in the Hercs.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.3.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.16    3 weeks ago

On the LC-130 ski Hercs, when on the way down to the Ice as we called it, I forgot to mention that all passengers are bundled up in heavy duty parkas and other extreme cold weather gear. When palletized cargo is carried as well, it is on the centerline of the cargo bay with all passengers sitting outboard facing the center with room for only 40 people maximum. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.18  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.3.17    3 weeks ago

Never flown into an environment that needed the LC.  

I think the closes I may have is that I've have flown the Herc with palletized cargo and combat gear (body armor, rucks, weapons systems) in Afghanistan.  Those combat landings are pure hell when you're dehydrated and air sick.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.3.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.18    3 weeks ago

Saw a lot of people get airsick. C-130's can be rattletraps at times, but imagine them with a set of skis over the landing gear that are not very aerodynamic to begin with. Then factor in flying through the heavy weather and rough Antarctic winds. It is a experience one never forgets. As a added benefit, PSR on a LC-130  bound for McMurdo is halfway there if they have to turn around and head back to New Zealand. On a a C-17 or C-5, it is right over McMurdo!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    3 weeks ago

Are you conveniently forgetting all the flights that Biden made transporting illegals all over the country under cover of darkness? Who paid for that?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.4.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @2.4    3 weeks ago

Yours and my tax dollars did...

 
 
 
charger 383
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3  charger 383    3 weeks ago

In the long run, a wall would have been cheaper 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  charger 383 @3    3 weeks ago
a wall would have been cheaper 

NYC alone has spent more on illegal aliens than a wall would have cost. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4  Mark in Wyoming     3 weeks ago

an Uncomfortable military flight ? 

C-141 , totally unheated and it has leaks ....least the one i rode in was that way .

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4    3 weeks ago

The oversized exhaust pipe.  Hated flying in those.

 
 

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