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Hegseth orders review of US military standards, including grooming, after they were loosened under Biden

  
Via:  Jeremy in NC  •  one month ago  •  54 comments

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Hegseth orders review of US military standards, including grooming, after they were loosened under Biden
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Wednesday ordered a Pentagon-wide review of the physical fitness, body composition and grooming standards currently in place in the armed forces.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Wednesday ordered a Pentagon-wide review of the physical fitness, body composition and grooming standards currently in place in the armed forces.

Hegseth's directive comes after the Biden administration loosened restrictions on various grooming and hairstyle rules for military service members, as well as body fat percentage requirements for new recruits.

"High standards are what made the United States military the greatest fighting force on the planet," Hegseth wrote in a memo to senior Pentagon leaders, commanders of the combatant commands and Department of Defense field activity directors.

"The strength of our military is our unity and our shared purpose," the defense secretary added. "We are made stronger and more disciplined with high, uncompromising, and clear standards."

The review will be conducted by the Pentagon's under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness and will examine the "existing standards set by the Military Departments pertaining to physical fitness, body composition, and grooming, which includes but is not limited to beards," as well as how those standards have changed over the last decade.

"The review will also provide insight on why those standards changed and the impact of those changes," Hegseth said. "The USD(P&R) has the authority to task the Secretaries of the Military Departments and other DoD Component heads as necessary to provide any required information in support of this review and will provide detailed guidance to the Military Departments."

"We must remain vigilant in maintaining the standards that enable the men and women of our military to protect the American people and our homeland as the world' s most lethal and effective fighting force," the Pentagon chief continued. "Our adversaries are not growing weaker, and our tasks are not growing less challenging."

"This review will illuminate how the Department has maintained the level of standards required over the recent past and the trajectory of any change in those standards."

Each branch of the military sets its own standards for physical fitness and body composition and has mandatory instructions on the type of haircuts and facial hair service members are permitted to maintain.

For example, beards are generally banned from armed services unless members receive a medical exemption or religious accommodation.

Under the Biden administration, the Army relaxed various grooming standards - including allowing women to wear earrings and have hair highlights and dyes, and allowing men to wear nail polish - in an effort to be "more diverse" and "inclusive."

The Air Force, also during former President Joe Biden's tenure, permitted new male recruits to have up to 26% body fat, up from the previous requirement of 20%, while females were allowed 36% body fat, up from the previous max of 28%.

During a town hall event for Pentagon employees last month, Hegseth noted that under the Trump administration the DOD would renew its focus on "basic stuff," like grooming and fitness standards.

"I'm not saying if you violate grooming standards, you're a criminal," Hegseth said. "The analogy is incomplete. But if you violate the small stuff and you allow it to happen, it creates a culture where the big stuff, you're not held accountable for."


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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC    one month ago
 if you violate the small stuff and you allow it to happen, it creates a culture where the big stuff, you're not held accountable for.

A very true statement.  The standards exist for a specific reason.  Overlooking even the most minute standard can and will lead to larger standards being overlooked that can come at the cost of somebody's life.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2  Robert in Ohio    one month ago

Pete served as a second lieutenant at Guantanamo Bay with the New Jersey Army National Guard from 2003 to 2005, according to his Fox News bio, via  Ballotpedia . In 2006, he was deployed to Iraq, with the 3rd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division, serving as an infantry platoon leader. As his tour neared its end, he transitioned to a civil-military operations officer role in Samarra.

By 2012, Pete returned to active duty as a captain and was deployed to Afghanistan with the Minnesota Army National Guard. There, he served as a senior counterinsurgency instructor at the Counterinsurgency Training Center in Kabul, according to his Ballotpedia bio.

From an articleBy   Jennifer Farrington   Published Nov. 13 2024, 1:06 p.m. ET

Hardly seem the qualifications of man who would decide what "standards" are best for the US military

jmo

 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one month ago
jmo

And that's exactly what it is....opinion.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1    one month ago

Jeremy

Indeed and all the praise you and others heap upon totally unqualified members of this government are that as well "simply opinions" with little factual basis

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.1    one month ago

Your only claim that he's unqualified is that he was an O-1.  Not much of an argument in that aspect.  It's actually pretty pathetic not to mention narrow minded when it comes to military operations.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.1.3  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.2    one month ago

Jeremy

The pathetic thing is that he was a Captain at his highest rank and that is an O-3 

I know how to write computer code, but that does make me qualified to run IBM

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.3    one month ago

Being a Captain is pathetic???

Why?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.5  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.3    one month ago
The pathetic thing is that he was a Captain at his highest rank and that is an O-3 

Doesn't disqualify him.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one month ago
Hardly seem the qualifications of man who would decide what "standards" are best for the US military

He was nominated and confirmed by the Senate as Secretary of Defense. That's all the qualification he needs, if you believe in civilian control of the military and the Constitution.

Reminds me of a story I saw yesterday concering an aspect of lawfare.  The judge's premise for a question was basically yours, that Hegseth's history as a lower ranking  officer really means his opinion shouldn't count and that she should give more weight to the opinion of some retired general or another.  That should set off alarm bells in everyone's head. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    one month ago

Having served - I know that wet behind the ears Lieutenants and Captains are lacking in the breadth of experience and knowledge to lead and oversee the development and use of a platoon or company much less the entire military.

Was your military experience similar?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.1    one month ago
Was your military experience similar?

I get it.  You oppose not only civilian control of the military but apparently anyone who hasn't achieved the highest of ranks is unqualified as well.   Just give all the power to the generals like a good junta does. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.1    one month ago

You do realize Lieutenants and Captains lead platoons and companies in our military every day right?    

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.4  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.3    one month ago

Actually platoons are mostly "led" by the non-commissioned officers who actually train the lieutenants when they are assigned.

I was a non-commissioned officer for nearly 20 years and had lots of lieutenants and captains that depended on me as much as I depended on them

What was your experience in the military like>

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.5  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.2    one month ago

You forgot to mention what your military experience was like

I totally support the civilian leadership of the military - though it seems that over the years a lot of wise presidents (republicans included) have decided that senior officers with broad experience and knowledge were far more qualified for the SecDef position than a Captain with limited leadership experience of any kind.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.5    one month ago
You forgot to mention what your military experience was like

I've said many times I've never served.  Why you obsess over that is something you need to figure out.

I'm arguing for civilian control of the military and the Constitution. I don't need to have served to understand that believing high ranking officers should control the defense department policy is anathema to the principles this country was founded on. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.7  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.1    one month ago

Sounds like you've had some really shitty leadership in the military.  Now the question is, did you do anything to help those officers or did you just sit back and let it happen? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.4    one month ago
Actually platoons are mostly "led" by the non-commissioned officers who actually train the lieutenants when they are assigned.

Actually NCO’s answer an officer in almost all situations.    A good Officer listens to and uses a good NCO’s advice but the supposition that NCO’s “train” officers is a stretch at best.      For example, a Marine Corps infantry officer goes through about a year of training before they ever lead a platoon.    Sure, NCO’s are involved in that process but once they get out in the fleet, that platoon is ultimately that 2nd/1st Lt’s responsibility.

Period.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.9  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.4    one month ago
Actually platoons are mostly "led" by the non-commissioned officers who actually train the lieutenants when they are assigned.

Actually NCO's don't "lead" the platoon.  You may want to refresh yourself on the roles and responsibilities of an NCO.  

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.10  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.3    one month ago

You do realize Lieutenants and Captains lead platoons and companies in our military every day right? 

I do and the good and especially the excellent Lieutenants and Captains depend on the advice and knowledge of their more  experienced senior noncoms before making decisions

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.11  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.9    one month ago

Actually NCO's don't "lead" the platoon.  You may want to refresh yourself on the roles and responsibilities of an NCO.  

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The noncoms provide the knowledge and support the LT needs to lead the platoon correctly.

It doesn't sound like you have ever been a noncom or an officer, if you don't know that basic fact.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.12  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.8    one month ago

 Actually NCO’s answer an officer in almost all situations. 

Absolutely true, never denied that

that platoon is ultimately that 2nd/1st Lt’s responsibility.    Period.

Absolutely correct and if they have any brains to mostly do exactly what the senior noncoms tell them to.  

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.13  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.7    one month ago

Sounds like you've had some really shitty leadership in the military.

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[ ] I served with some of the best young officers and senior officers the military had to offer and the unit excelled in difficult situations because we worked together and they took the advice of senior nomcoms in the decision process

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.14  1stwarrior  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.1    one month ago

Not talking 'bout the "development and use of a platoon or company".

Talking 'bout "Each branch of the military sets its own standards for physical fitness and body composition and has mandatory instructions on the type of haircuts and facial hair service members are permitted to maintain."

In today's military, the physical standards sux and body composition sux.  Met a Master Senior Chief last week - in his 25th year - could very easily double for the Pillsbury Doughboy.  Saw some "folks" who had just graduated from "Basic" who looked like shyte - shiney Vin Diesel hair cut but with waist lines that exceed my chest size (44) and they were the "Honor Grads".

Live close to five military installations and I'm sure as hell not impressed with the "new" physical fitness, body composition, haircuts and facial hair "qualifications".

According to the thread, those four qualities are what Hegseth is discussing about updating/getting back to basics.  Don't see/read anything 'bout wanting to change how the military functions/operates/goes to war.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.15  1stwarrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.2    one month ago

Sean - gotta jump in here, but - the Constitution gives military control of the military to Congress and their administration - Article 1, Section 8 - 

"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.16  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.11    one month ago
The noncoms provide the knowledge and support the LT needs to lead the platoon correctly.

Good to see you looked up the roles and responsibilities of an NCO.  

It doesn't sound like you have ever been a noncom or an officer, if you don't know that basic fact.

And that is where you, as usual, would be wrong.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.17  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.13    one month ago
Are you sure you served?

You can look up my DD214.

I served with some of the best young officers and senior officers the military had to offer and the unit excelled in difficult situations because we worked together and they took the advice of senior nomcoms in the decision process[]

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.18  1stwarrior  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.2.4    one month ago

Yeah - 'member those days.  Served in USMC, honorably discharged as an E-5.  While on both tours in 'Nam, was constantly reminded by Top Brass that our job (NCO's) was to take the newbie brown butter bars under our wings and teach them how to live and how to keep the rest of our team safe and alive - as much as possible.

Interestingly, served with two newbie brown butter bars who rose up through the ranks to become USMC CMC - guess we taught them the "right way", eh?

Joined the CG, went through OCS and was constantly told/reminded to listen/learn for our Senior/Master NCO's to ensure smooth operations/functions.  One of our primary functions???  Get rid of the fat/lazy/whinneys who hold up the mission because of their lack of development.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.19  1stwarrior  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.17    one month ago

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Sean Treacy
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2.2.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.15    one month ago

Good point

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.21  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.17    one month ago

Removed for context - sandy

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I get a pension check once a month for 20+ years service to my country.  Do you?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.22  Robert in Ohio  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.18    one month ago

Interestingly, served with two newbie brown butter bars who rose up through the ranks to become USMC CMC - guess we taught them the "right way", eh?

Joined the CG, went through OCS and was constantly told/reminded to listen/learn for our Senior/Master NCO's to ensure smooth operations/functions.  One of our primary functions???  Get rid of the fat/lazy/whinneys who hold up the mission because of their lack of development.

1st Warrior

Thanks you for your service to our country

Your comments above are true and I am sure the officers you served with valued your judgement and advice

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one month ago

Pete will do what’s best to optimize unit readiness.   Not what’s best to assuage individual sensibilities.    Seems qualified enough to me.

The military isn’t summer camp.    Too many folks these days seem to think it is.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.3.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Sparty On @2.3    one month ago
Seems qualified enough to me.

I am sure he does

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.3.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.3.1    one month ago

Your veiled sarcasm needs the "/S" thingy.

 
 
 
George
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2.4  George  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one month ago

Common sense dictates that a person who "has been there and done that" knows exactly what the requirements are to do a job far better than a fat old administrator seating in an office million miles separated from the actual work to be performed.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.4.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  George @2.4    one month ago

Did you review the actual troop leadership experience he has?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.4.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.4.1    one month ago

Have you?

Awarded Bronze Star for actions/duties in Iraq - vehicle hit by a rocket that, fortunately, did not explode - retired as a Major.

July 2005, he volunteered in the  Iraq War  as an infantry officer,  where he received a  Bronze Star Medal (and ya know those things ain't cheap, eh?) .  Hegseth served in the  3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment [ 10 ]  in the  101st Airborne Division , led by colonel  Michael D. Steele . [ 15 ]  He began his tour in  Baghdad  before moving to  Samarra , [ 6 ]  where he served as a  civil affairs  officer, [ 16 ]  working with the city council and forming an alliance with councilmember  Asaad Ali Yaseen . [ 6 ]  Hegseth has described a near-death experience in Iraq in which a  rocket-propelled grenade  hit his vehicle, but failed to detonate.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one month ago

And, he's not qualified why???

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.6  bugsy  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one month ago
Hardly seem the qualifications of man

There have been Defense Secretaries that have only worked in the military complex arena, no military experience ever.

He has more than enough experience if we use that as a standard. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.6.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @2.6    one month ago
He has more than enough experience if we use that as a standard. 

I just realized is the person you and I replied to thought Biden was qualified...  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one month ago

Robert, I'm not sure we need George C Marshall to establish grooming standards for the military.

Here let me give Pete a hand:

Even if volunteers arrive above the weight standard, trim them down to size in boot camp. No facial hairs, no long hair, no tattoos, bring back form fitting uniforms and get rid of the fatigue pajamas.

Done.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.7.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.7    one month ago

If it were as simple as you state it, I would certainly agree with you

However, the mess he is and will create is seeming to be more

Appreciate the feedback

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.7.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.7.1    one month ago
If it were as simple as you state it

It is that simple.  Re-establish the standards, provide a timeline for those not meeting it to comply, then begin the administrative process to remove them from service for not meeting the re-established standards.

However, the mess he is and will create is seeming to be more

The only ones that would see it as a mess are those who can't meet the standards.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3  Hal A. Lujah    one month ago

Someone needs to wring the alcohol out of Hegseth until he starts thinking straight.  Nah, not gonna happen.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3    one month ago

"We must remain vigilant in maintaining the standards that enable the men and women of our military to protect the American people and our homeland as the world' s most lethal and effective fighting force," the Pentagon chief continued. "Our adversaries are not growing weaker, and our tasks are not growing less challenging."

Yea, who needs standards other than diversity?  S/

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2  Sparty On  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3    one month ago

lol …. Maybe he’ll get lucky and figure out where the Biden drug hidey hole is and get some blow ….  The triggered can relax.    Hegseth will do just fine.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.3  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3    one month ago
o "has been there and done that" knows exactly what the requirements are to do

So in your feeble mindset, services members shouldn't ever drink?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3    one month ago

Nope, we are all teetotalers right? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.3.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.1    one month ago

I and every command I was in missed that memo.  I remember helping a drunken Battalion Chaplain to his bunk in Grafenwhor Germany after an end of rotation party the Brigade Command set up.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.3.3  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3.2    one month ago

As I sip on my Cigar Malt with a fine cigar …..

 
 
 
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3.3.4  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.3    one month ago

Will be doing the same at a event with the 82nd Airborne Division this evening. 

It's said the "AA" that is the 82nd Airborne insignia stands for "Alcohol Anonymous".  After serving almost 20 years with them, I can see why.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.3.5  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3.4    one month ago

Enjoy!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4  Right Down the Center    one month ago

"Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Wednesday ordered a Pentagon-wide review of the physical fitness, body composition and grooming standards currently in place in the armed forces." "The strength of our military is our unity and our shared purpose," the defense secretary added. "We are made stronger and more disciplined with high, uncompromising, and clear standards."

How dare he want a strong military.  That goes against everything the last administration stood for.  Obviously Trump made a terrible choice.  S/

 
 
 
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4.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    one month ago

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