Mercenary boss seizes southern city in Russia's first insurrection for decades
R OSTOV-ON-DON, Russia (Reuters) -Russian President Vladimir Putin vowed to crush an armed mutiny after the private army of mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin seized control of a southern city as part of an attempt to oust the military leadership.
In Russia's first armed insurrection since the Chechen wars decades ago, heavily armed fighters from Prigozhin's Wagner militia were in control of the streets of Rostov-on-Don, a city of more than a million people close to the border with Ukraine.
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Unbelievable, are we seeing history being made?
How will the Russian army and their National Guard respond?
What is Putin's next move?
A loaded gun to his head and him pulling the trigger with a bit of luck...
The chooks have come home to roost..
hopefully the eradication of autocrats is contagious...
The concern is that Prigozhin, who heads the "Wagner Group" and is leading this rebellion, is just as bad, if not worse, than Putin.
most definitely, but he's under equipped. watching all the possible future scenarios play out will be very interesting.
The whole thing is incredibly interesting. I just hope Putin doesn't think he needs to prove he's not weak by saturation bombing the Ukrainian people even worse.
anything is possible. putin can't fight a war on 2 fronts and he certainly can't afford to piss off the mercenaries. it was a really smart move on lukasheno's part to either protect himself or to trap the animal for putin.
Well, I am sure that he made contingency plans for this scenario.
But it makes one wonder what tipped the balance in the mercenaries minds to make them change.
Haven't been following all that closely. Research Time.
There has been a battle between Wagner and the Russian military for months. The final straw was the demand by Russian that Wanger put all it's troops under Russian command, they refused and this is the result.
A report a few minutes ago stated that Russian helicopter fired on Wagner troops on their way to Moscow.
Prigozhin claimed the final straw was a Russian air strike on the Wagner field position.
I heard that, but there was no proof except his word.
Rumor has it Wagner was planning it for months and had been building up resources at the border for the move. What we need to know next is how many of those mercs are going to Belarus with Prigozhin and how many are taking Russian military contracts? As long as Prigozhin breaths he's dangerous.
Prigozhin also has roughly 5,000 troops in Africa and more in Syria. It's going to be interesting.
The Russians are killing their own.. Russian forces hit one of his military camps killing a huge amount of his forces...he is not a happy Vegemite..
And it could be rats leaving a sinking ship as well.. but either way it will put the wind up Putin...
It looks like Vlad was going to take out the Wagner group and they turned the tables. Maybe the actors decided that they had nothing left to lose.
Sides are being picked, and the Chechen warlord, Kadyrov has said he will send troops to help Putin. The private jet used by the president of Belarus was tracked leaving Belarus avoiding southern Russia and landing in Turkey.
It's hard to know who is ahead in this race.
But I've broken out a case of IPA and a ton of popcorn!
Whatever the outcome of this Putin will look weak and, IMO it's a matter of time before he is eliminated.
Chaos is good.
soon the only power brokers left in russia will be the generals commanding the nuke silos.
as long as it doesn't go outside the borders
Meanwhile, Ukraine continues its counteroffensive as Putin's folly falls slowly apart.
A bigger question is how many of the demoralized Russian troops will turn and side with Prigozhin?
That will be critical to both sides and don't forget that Wagner has thousands of troops in Africa and Syria. Also, the separate minority regions of Russia who have been chaffing at the troops lose from their area while the ''pure Russians'' mostly avoid the fighting. Also, the Central Asian states looking to choose sides soon, IMO.
Xi is laughing his ass off.
I'm sure that he is but remember that China gets millions of barrels of discounted oil from Russia. I don't think that Xi wants to see that stop. On the other hand, Russia has become dependent on China for their trade and buying of oil. Actually, the Central Asia states are more aligned with China than with Russia so we may see some move in those countries.
The latest reports are bizarre. Wagner has called its troops back from taking Moscow to stop bloodshed but has increased its hold on Rostov on Don and some of the citizens are supplying the Wagner troops with food and water.
I need another box of popcorn.
putin will use this as an excuse to move against belarus next.
Wagner mercenaries inch closer to Moscow as Putin vows to stop ‘rebellion’
Authorities confirm Wagner is moving north, advancing through Lipetsk
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The governor of Russia’s Lipetsk region, north of Voronezh, has confirmed that Wagner forces are moving through the area, in the direction of Moscow.
In a Telegram post, Lipetsk’s regional governor, Igor Artamonov, said Wagner equipment was “moving across the territory of the Lipetsk region.”
Just saw a clip where Rachel Campos Dummy and fox news are trying to state that the US or NATO is behind this...
We have some really stupid people in this country.
The mercenary mission is over. He said they would turn around.
I read that, something about after he talked to the leader of Belarus.
I heard that putin was on a flight somewhere around the same time and that he went off the radar.
Did you hear anything else about that?
I didn't. I read one leader flew to Turkey or something.
putin is on the run though
More conspiracy theories.
Putin flew to St Petersburg. In the meantime Lukashenko mediated a deal between Prigozhin and Putin for Wagner troops to turn and go to Belarus instead. Something kind of fishy there. Lukashenko is as crooked and tyrannical as Putin is as well as being good buds with Vicious Vlad. In my mind, what is to keep Lukashenko from handing over Prigozhin and his band of cutthroat mercenaries right over to Russia to score points with Putin? Something does not add up here.
That's for sure, Doc. Strange times in Russia.
And Wagner stands down. It’s possible Putin ends up stronger, like the failure of thekornilov rebellion empowered the Petrograd Soviet
As Omar said, “You come at the king, you best not miss” because the cost of failure is a blood letting. Hard to believe Putin let’s bygones be bygones with rebellious underlings That’s a message dictators don’t usually profit from long term.
With this move by Prigozhin there is no way out of this. Either Putin falls (replaced) or Prigozhin is dead.
One has to wonder where the money is coming from to support the Wagner Group at the moment and if it will continue.
I don't even know what to believe anymore. One thing I read said the mercenaries kept saying they weren't being supplied ammunition and supplies yet someone else stated they were taking all the supplies and stockpiling them.
I've heard the same, Ender. We'll soon find out which is true because there is no way IMO that this can end peacefully.
Or maybe a phony country east of Ukraine, run by Progozhin. Like Chechnya.
It's also possible that Putin looks very weak in the eyes of the power brokers in Russia and it will be the end of him even if the Wagner group is stopped.
This was not good for Putin at all.
A critical blow ... hopefully it is politically fatal.
If nothing else this shows how badly the war is going for Russia.
This new ''peace'' with Wagner group is strange to say the least. Progozhin stops the march on Moscow, pulls his troops back to base and he goes to Belarus. WTH is going on? there has to be massive moves going on behind the curtain.
Exactly and who can bet the Chinese are looking at these latest developments and thinking to themselves, WTH do we want to be associated with these clowns?
Whatever is going on... isn't and will not be public. We'll figure it out gradually from events on the ground. But I kinda don't see Putin and Prigozhin making any announcements.
They will continue to talk to their base and the public but we can’t trust either ti tell the truth.
Yeah looks like quite a bit of chaos that has been (temporarily) postponed. Be quite interesting to know what deal was struck to stop Prigozhin's move.
Not unless they each announce the downfall of each other.
... and they could both be right...
given russia's history in the last 100+ years, somebody is going to get clipped. I smell a purge coming...
Yep.
This piece of shit doesnt know when to stop
The on going babble of a nut case.
I have noticed quite a bit of conspiracy theory going on in the GOP over recent years.
That is a huge understatement, TG.
Are there "terrible consequences" the American people WOULD want ?
She is one loyal comrade.
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Trump Appears To Support Putin In Russian Power Struggle:
On Truth Social, Trump weighed in on unrest in Russia, appearing to support Russian President Vladimir Putin in his power struggle against Yevgeny Prigozhin, the renegade mercenary leader .
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“A big mess in Russia, but be careful what you wish for,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “Next in may be far worse!”
That's quite a stretch, John...even for you.
Is Trump Putin's bitch? Be honest.
Biden is his cockholster, so it’s unlikely John.
Except Biden is fucking Putin, in reality...
Bullshit - we all know that the former 'president' is putin's cock holster. Hillary was correct. That's why you hate her.
Everyone let's get back on topic...Thanks.
Sorry, didn’t see your request soon enough, edited. Okay
How so?
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The situation is getting more bizarre by the minute:
Prigozhin to leave Russia under deal brokered by Belarus after Wagner rebellion – Russia-Ukraine war live
Maybe there's a lot of money involved.
There is a lot that we don't know about this so called deal.
What we do know is that the Russians just got rid of their most effective fighting force, sad as it is to say, after a brush with internal revolt.
Agreed, and I don't see where the Wagner group is going to join up with the Russian army, the key word being ''mercenaries.''
That is the trouble with mercenaries, you never really know where their loyalties lie or when they will change. They usually go for the biggest bucks.
heh, the meter is now running on that POS. he better not stand close to any windows or touch any door knobs...
I hope the Russian C2 and Nuclear Security Forces are a lot better at their jobs than their conventional forces are. They have a lot of warheads to control.
Prigozhin is in exile. The Wagner Group is done. Russia, and thus Putin are weaker.
I also read the second richest guy in Russia has fled to Turkey while another oligarch fled to Azerbaijan.
Now that the so called revolt is history we may never find out what exactly happened.
Ukraine is moving on a couple of front against Russia now and will we see Wagner troops back in Ukraine, or are the disbanded for good?
I thought syria and africa were all wagner mercs.
Africa is a continent, not a country.