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Musk team given access to sensitive federal payment system - reports

  
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Musk team given access to sensitive federal payment system - reports
The Trump administration grants Musk's team access to system that controls the flow of trillions of dollars in funds, US media report.

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The Trump administration has given billionaire Elon Musk's deputies access to the federal payments system that controls the flow of trillions of dollars in government funds every year, US media report.

Reports suggest incoming Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has granted access to members of the Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) - which is not a government department, but a team within the administration - to sensitive personal information of millions of Americans.

The division handles payments of nearly $6 trillion for programmes like Social Security, pays government salaries, and distributes money allotted by Congress.

The White House and the Treasury Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The access to the payment system was granted on Friday, the same day when a longtime Treasury official named David Lebryk was put on administrative leave and suddenly retired, the New York Times reported.

The newspaper said Mr Lebryk had strongly resisted allowing "Musk's lieutenants into the department's payment system, which sends out money on behalf of the entire federal government".

Musk, who is not officially a government employee, has been given extremely broad leeway by President Donald Trump to slash federal spending.

He helped set up Doge in order to carry out this effort, bringing allies from his private companies and Silicon Valley to assist the process.

Tom Krause, a Silicon Valley executive, is reported to be among the team working at Treasury.

Typically, only a handful of Treasury employees work on the payments system.

"To put it bluntly, these payment systems simply cannot fail, and any politically-motivated meddling in them risks severe damage to our country and the economy," US Senator Ron Wyden, a Democrat from Oregon, wrote in a letter to Bessent.

"I am concerned that mismanagement of these payment systems could threaten the full faith and credit of the United States," he wrote.

Meanwhile, the federal workforce has been grappling with the multiple executive orders signed by Trump since taking office.

Employees have received letters from the Office of Personnel Management asking them to report their colleagues who are attempting to "disguise" diversity efforts, as well as an offer to take paid resignations -- an offer many employees view with suspicion.

Agencies have scrambled to pull down references to diversity, equity and inclusion, as well as transgender and LGBT individuals from their websites in order to comply with the executive orders.

DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) programmes aim to promote participation in workplaces by people from a range of backgrounds.

Their backers say they address historical or ongoing discrimination and underrepresentation of certain groups, including racial minorities, but critics argue such programmes can themselves be discriminatory.

On Saturday, the website for the United States Agency for International Development, which distributes billions in aid around the world, appeared to stop working.

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sandy-2021492
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1  seeder  sandy-2021492    3 weeks ago
The Trump administration has given billionaire Elon Musk's deputies access to the federal payments system that controls the flow of trillions of dollars in government funds every year, US media report.

Reports suggest incoming Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has granted access to members of the Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) - which is not a government department, but a team within the administration - to sensitive personal information of millions of Americans.

The division handles payments of nearly $6 trillion for programmes like Social Security, pays government salaries, and distributes money allotted by Congress.

The White House and the Treasury Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The access to the payment system was granted on Friday, the same day when a longtime Treasury official named David Lebryk was put on administrative leave and suddenly retired, the New York Times reported.
 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1    3 weeks ago

I look forward to witnessing the wholesale maga carnage when the autocratic pendulum makes it's return trip ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

good riddance to bad garbage ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1    2 weeks ago

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago
The @DOGE team discovered, among other things, that payment approval officers at Treasury were instructed always to approve payments, even to known fraudulent or terrorist groups. They literally never denied a payment in their entire career. Not even once.

How dare anyone think that can be improved on.

Very typical the BBC quotes the far left Senator Ron Wyden and not Elon Musk, the supposed subject of the story. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 weeks ago

So, non-employees of the US government with no qualifications other than cronyism should have access to sensitive personal information of our citizens, in your opinion?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1    3 weeks ago

You believe Musk has no qualifications other than cronyism?  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.2  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Do you think he has qualifications for this "job"?

Name them.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

[] He's the CEO of multiple billion dollar companies.

You think he might have a little knowledge about streamlining operations and creating efficiencies within systems? Maybe?

The idea that Musk has no qualifications to do this is simply absurd.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.4  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

He's the beneficiary of inherited wealth.

He's the beneficiary of government-funded operations.

He tanked Twitter stock.

Tesla stock has been volatile, thanks to numerous recalls.

You seem to think being rich confers qualifications to make financial policy.  Have you conveniently forgotten Trump's multiple bankruptcies?

 
 
 
George
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2.1.5  George  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.4    3 weeks ago
He's the beneficiary of inherited wealth.

That is a lie, prove it

He's the beneficiary of government-funded operations.

He provides a service, just like any other government contractor

He tanked Twitter stock.

Another bullshit comment, there is no twitter stock so how the fuck did he tank it.

Tesla stock has been volatile, thanks to numerous recalls.

Tesla stock is trading at a 385.00 which is more than double than it was on this date a year ago.

You seem to think being rich confers qualifications to make financial policy.

That is complete bullshit, nowhere does Sean say it has anything to do with being rich, CEO of multiple successful companies going back to Paypal, as well as many others 

Have you conveniently forgotten Trump's multiple bankruptcies?

Deflection fail, exactly what does trumps bankruptcy's have to do with Musks abilities? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

Thanks for spending the time to rebut that smorgasboard of bs.  

 
 
 
George
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2.1.7  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.6    3 weeks ago

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Sean Treacy
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2.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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2.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

Putting qualifications aside, do you have any response to this part of it:

The @DOGE team discovered, among other things, that payment approval officers at Treasury were instructed always to approve payments, even to known fraudulent or terrorist groups.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.10  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  George @2.1.5    3 weeks ago
That is a lie, prove it

Family wealth, then, unless you honestly think that none of his wealthy parents' wealth ever came his way.

He provides a service, just like any other government contractor

That's still way more money than the average person will ever be able to access.  It's a hell of a lot easier to make money when you can tap into the wallet of an entire nation.  Kinda like now.

Another bullshit comment, there is no twitter stock so how the fuck did he tank it.

A bullshit attempt at refutation.  His waffling over the purchase of Twitter caused its value to drop.  And then its value dropped even farther after his acquisition.  He bought it for 44 billion dollars.  As of October of last year, it was worth 9.4 billion.  Not exactly a stellar performance.

Tesla stock is trading at a 385.00 which is more than double than it was on this date a year ago.

Which does not negate the fact that its value has been volatile.  It dropped from a price of 352.26 on December 31, 2021 to 123.18 a year later.

That is complete bullshit, nowhere does Sean say it has anything to do with being rich,

Are the CEOs of successful (and a spectacularly unsuccessful) corporation generally poor, George?  By the way, let's look at that Paypal stock, shall we?

Ouch!  In July of 2021, it was trading at 308.53.  It's now at 89.51.  That's not terribly successful, is it?

Deflection fail, exactly what does trumps bankruptcy's have to do with Musks abilities?

It was an illustration of mistaking a "successful CEO" for being qualified to have the run of the US treasury.  They've both had their failures over the years.  But hey, it's just Granny's Social Security check on the line if they fuck this up.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.11  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    3 weeks ago

What the DOGE team "discovered", and what actually happened, would need to be shown to resemble each other in any way before I'd respond.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.11    3 weeks ago

Very good. I'll get back to you when the expenditures are made public.

 
 
 
George
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2.1.13  George  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.10    2 weeks ago
Family wealth, then, unless you honestly think that none of his wealthy parents' wealth ever came his way.

He graduated from college with over 100,000 dollars of student loan debt, so i bout the family wealth aspect of your comment is accurate. 

Were Elon Musk's parent's rich?

Musk belonged to an upper-middle-class family in South Africa. So, while they were wealthy enough to have a comfortable lifestyle, they couldn't support Musk after he moved to Canada. Musk didn't get his early money from his parents for startups. There are many myths surrounding Musk’s parents' financial wealth.

One rumor is that his father owned an emerald mine, which Musk denied. He actually worked his way through college and had $100,000 in student debt.

Was Elon Musk Born Rich? Billionaire Leads a Frugal Life

Ouch!  In July of 2021, it was trading at 308.53.  It's now at 89.51.  That's not terribly successful, is it?

This is the one that made me laugh the loudest, how to say i have no fucking clue what i'm talking about without actually saying it.

Musk sold Paypal in 2002 so your complete bullshit point is lost.  Started in 1999 and 3 years later sold for 1.5 billion. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.14  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  George @2.1.13    2 weeks ago
One rumor is that his father owned an emerald mine, which Musk denied.

His dad remembers it differently.

So, by the way, does Elon, depending on when he's being interviewed and which makes him look better.

On July 28, 2014, Forbes.com published an interview with Elon Musk, which was conducted by Jim Clash. The headline of the story read, "Elon Musk Tells Me His Secret Of Success (Hint: It Ain't About The Money)."

In the interview, the Tesla owner briefly mentioned that his father had a share in an emerald mine in Zambia.

JC: How do you handle fear?

EM: Company death – not succeeding with the company – causes me a lot more stress than physical danger. But I've been in physical danger before. The funny thing is I've not actually been that nervous. In South Africa, my father had a private plane we'd fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy,   but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia . I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn't realize how dangerous it was. I couldn't find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother's – which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I'm thinking, "Man, this could really go bad."

So I'll take his words about his college debt with a grain of salt, considering he can't remember whether his father did or did not own a share in an emerald mine.

Of course, if we could have the same access to his personal information that he now has to ours, we could find out more, couldn't we?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 weeks ago
even to known fraudulent or terrorist groups

Known to whom? How was this established? Audits? Convictions? Why not refer the matter to DoJ?

Orrrr… is that just unsubstantiated bullshit?

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Tacos! @2.2    2 weeks ago

... the latter, obviously.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3  Kavika     3 weeks ago

If what Musk posted on X is true, he and Trump should be reminded that they went on under Trumps first term. 

I would rather have a IG assigned to investigate if the Musk statement is true, since Musk and his mini me Trump do have a tendency to lie…

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Kavika @3    3 weeks ago

We don’t need no Inspector General. Just take Musk’s word for it.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Tacos! @3.1    3 weeks ago

Hell, that’s right Tacos, what in the hell was I thinking.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4  MrFrost    3 weeks ago

VP Musk is just trying to figure out how to funnel all that money into his pocket. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @4    3 weeks ago

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devangelical
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4.2  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @4    3 weeks ago

he's already shopping foreign data buyers ...

 
 
 
Dig
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5  Dig    3 weeks ago

Oh look, an unelected Broligarch now has control of the federal payment system. 

I read elsewhere that senior officials have been locked out of it (you know, the people who are actually supposed to have access).

Great job, Trump voters. Things just keep getting better and better.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dig @5    3 weeks ago
I read elsewhere that senior officials have been locked out of it (you know, the people who are actually supposed to have access).

Figures.

But hey, it's all good.  Nobody's Social Security check is at risk, they swear.  They just want to make sure Grandma isn't defrauding Trump.  I mean, the US.

 
 
 
Dig
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5.1.1  Dig  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1    3 weeks ago

At least they'll be giving a good hard look at payments going to Musk's companies.

Oh, wait...

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.2  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1    2 weeks ago
Nobody's Social Security check is at risk, they swear.

I've already got a short term grant program from maga republicans worked out if my check is delayed ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dig @5    3 weeks ago

Wait until MAGA don't get their SS payments or MAGA government employees don't get paid. And whoever is going to argue with about there are no MAGA government employess I will not so politely tell you to shut up. I know plenty of them

 
 
 
Kavika
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6  Kavika     3 weeks ago

Maybe Musk can direct some payments to Tesla to cover the losses on the world’s ugliest truck. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kavika @6    3 weeks ago

And all those recalls.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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7  Snuffy    3 weeks ago

This appears to be getting worse.

A   bombshell report from   Reuters   has revealed that Elon Musk has locked U.S. government officials out of key data systems containing personal information on millions of federal employees.

According to the report, which cites two anonymous federal agents, senior officials at the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) suddenly lost access to crucial department databases. The move reportedly stems from Musk’s leadership at the   Department of Government Efficiency   (DOGE), a role assigned to him by former President Donald Trump to "curb government spending."

Despite DOGE’s limited authority over OPM and other federal agencies, a "team of current and former" Musk employees have   embedded themselves deep within the agency   since Trump took office on Jan. 20. Since the inauguration DOGE has morphed from a non-governement advisory panel into the rebranded tech unit inside the White House.

According to the report, the team set up sofa beds in the OPM Director’s office to work around the clock, securing access to a massive database known as Enterprise Human Resources Integration. This system holds sensitive information, including birth dates, Social Security numbers, performance appraisals, home addresses, pay grades, and service records of government employees.

As a result, tracking Musk and his allies’ activities within OPM has become significantly more difficult.

Elon Musk seizes computer system, locks out senior government officials

Locking out government officials who have a business reason to have the access? This is rather close to a high jacking, is it not? 

And this..

USAID’s director of security and his deputy were placed on administrative leave Saturday after trying to prevent employees from the Depart of Government Efficiency from accessing secure USAID systems, five sources familiar with the events told NBC News.

The USAID systems the DOGE team tried to access included personnel files and security systems including classified systems beyond the security level of at least some of the DOGE employees, according to three of the sources. The systems also included security clearance information for agency employees, two of the sources said.

"No classified material was accessed without proper security clearances," Katie Miller, who worked in Trump's first administration and has since joined DOGE, said in a   post to X   on Sunday.

When USAID Director of Security John Voorhees and his deputy Brian McGill refused to allow them in, the DOGE employees threatened to call the U.S. Marshalls, two of the sources said. The DOGE employees were eventually able to gain access to the secure systems, according to three of the sources, but it was not clear what information they were able to obtain.

USAID security leaders removed after refusing Elon Musk's DOGE employees access to secure systems

So DOGE calls USAID a c riminal organization without offering proof. And allowing people without the proper security clearances to have access to classified data? WTF people? 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Snuffy @7    3 weeks ago

This is dismaying, but not especially surprising.

 
 
 
Dig
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7.2  Dig  replied to  Snuffy @7    3 weeks ago
So DOGE calls USAID a c riminal organization

And said it needs to die.

An unelected, unconfirmed billionaire with massive federal contracts going to his own companies – mostly SpaceX, but also a little for Tesla – says USAID needs to die.

Over the past 16 years, Musk's business deals with the government total nearly $20 billion, according to federal contracting data.  

And that might be on top of the billions in grants he received to develop his rockets way back when.

If anything, Musk's fake "DOGE" department is the criminal organization.

What was that thing we used to have a name for that Republicans and Democrats alike were always so concerned about in days gone by... Pommes frites of bent wrist? Constricts of shminterest? Oh yeah, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST!

Guess that's not a thing anymore.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.2.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dig @7.2    3 weeks ago
Guess that's not a thing anymore.

It can't be a thing.  They'd have to care about the Emoluments Clause.

 
 
 
Dig
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7.2.2  Dig  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.2.1    3 weeks ago

So true. R's just pretended it didn't exist in Trump's first term, and now again with the House GOP retreat being held at Doral. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7.2.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dig @7.2    3 weeks ago

Wow.  If I didn’t know better I’d think that you just now realized that the administration that allowed this to happen is a tyrannical shitshow.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7.2.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dig @7.2.2    3 weeks ago

Sorry Dig, that was supposed to be directed to snuffy.

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.4    3 weeks ago

meh, anyone more intelligent than the vast majority of trumpsters picked up on it ...

 
 
 
Snuffy
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7.2.6  Snuffy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.3    3 weeks ago

I don't play partisan games and only blame one side of the equation. I would wish that more here would do the same thing but too many are locked into their partisan world view and refuse to see anything else.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7.2.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Snuffy @7.2.6    3 weeks ago

I don't play partisan games

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fineline
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7.3  fineline  replied to  Snuffy @7    3 weeks ago

"WTF people?" Exactly , time to impeach that orange-faced POS and baseball bat the other POS all the way to Mars! 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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7.3.1  Snuffy  replied to  fineline @7.3    3 weeks ago

No, I disagree with that. A president looking to shut down an agency and restructure the government is not a reason for impeachment. I do have issue however with the people in DOGE that do not have the proper security clearances who now have access to classified material, that should be investigated. And I have a problem with Musk having access to the payment system and having view access to all the money being paid out to contractors including all of his competitors. That's a huge conflict of interest, is it not?

But impeachment over this? 

 
 
 
fineline
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7.3.2  fineline  replied to  Snuffy @7.3.1    3 weeks ago

You damn right ! Trump is attempting an end run around congress and using a civilian to do it ! Impeach one and arrest the other.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.4  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @7    3 weeks ago
This appears to be getting worse.

And it's just the beginning.

the DOGE team tried to access included personnel files and security systems, including classified systems beyond the security level of at least some of the DOGE employees
Elon Musk, the Trump-empowered tech billionaire and head of DOGE,  posted   Sunday   on X  calling for USAID "to die" and accusing the independent agency, without offering evidence, of being a “criminal organization.”

Because the USAID officials where upholding the law, Musk called USAID a criminal organization and said it should die.  Welcome to the new reality, folks.  We are now living in an Orwellian dystopia.

 
 
 
evilone
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8  evilone    3 weeks ago

This will be fun when one of Musk's employees sells all that federal data to Russia.

 
 
 
Kavika
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9  Kavika     3 weeks ago

Trump called it a ‘’criminal organization’’ Oh the fricking irony..Trump being the head of the biggest con show on earth….

 
 
 
fineline
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9.1  fineline  replied to  Kavika @9    3 weeks ago

Trump should know all about "criminal organizations", that's his bread and butter! Head clown of the most evil administration in the history of America! He's right on schedule following Putin's play book for regime change. Must be what the two secretly discussed in Helsinki.

 
 
 
devangelical
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10  devangelical    2 weeks ago

anybody remember back when maga scum were so upset hilary's private server allegedly had classified info stored on it?

 
 

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