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The Democrats Obsession With Donald Trump Has Backfired - 19FortyFive

  
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By:   John Rossomando (FortyFive)

The Democrats Obsession With Donald Trump Has Backfired - 19FortyFive
Despite 91 counts of criminal charges, Trump is stronger than ever and has an undisputed lock on the GOP nomination.

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John Rossomando

If the Democrats and Never Trump Republicans had wanted Donald Trump to go away after the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol riot they should have collectively worked on moving on. An anaconda strategy of choking off Trump's political airway of constant media coverage and changing the subject from him might have sapped energy from his political comeback. Still, Democrats and Never-Trumpers would not leave a sleeping dog lie. They insisted on making Trump the subject of every argument against Republicans and kept Trumpophobia alive.

Indicting Trump was suggested prior to the November 2020 election by some anti-Trump partisans just as impeaching him was suggested as far back as April 2016 when he was just a candidate. No one inspires as much hysteria and fear among those who are left of center as Donald Trump does.

They have failed to learn the old psychological dictum, "There is no such thing as bad publicity." They also have failed to learn the lesson from their Russiagate scare tactic. It immunized Trump supporters from any suggestion that he is corrupt or criminal because it proved to have been a case of the boy who cried wolf.

Trump Stronger Than Ever


Despite 91 counts of criminal charges, he is stronger than ever and has an undisputed lock on the GOP nomination. He has become strong enough that he can manipulate state Republican parties into doing his bidding to the detriment of his rivals. He has a massive 43-point lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

FiveThirtyEight puts him at 57% support among Republicans compared to 13% for DeSantis. In January, Trump led DeSantis by around eight points. Trump had 42% in on January 23 and DeSantis had 34%.

As a result, his rivals resemble the Washington Generals whose job is to lose every night to the Harlem Globetrotters. Republicans still have a hangover from the Bush years in which they lost credibility by letting Democrats walk all over them even when they had power. As a result, complaints about Trump's character go unheeded because those making the complaints are deemed to lack credibility.

Trump masterfully created a guilt by association which tied DeSantis with the hated Bush wing of the GOP that Republicans blame for their losses in social creds during the 2000s. Indicting Trump became rocket fuel that energized the GOP base around him. Trump's polling prior to his first indictment in April was anemic for a former president who remained popular among the GOP base, but it began to take off after.

Anti-Trump Fantasies Dissipate


Anti-Trump forces are coming to the grim realization that their Lilliputian strategy of restraining the Trumpian Gulliver is failing.

"All of this means that the time for sitting on the sidelines is over. Progressives, Democrats — and independents — who don't want another Trump term need to volunteer, fundraise, organize and get behind one candidate now, because the 2024 presidential election is going to be a rollercoaster ride like nothing we've ever seen," Svante Myrick, president of liberal group People For the American Way, writes in The Hill. "To put it bluntly, while President Biden deserves to win next year, that is hardly guaranteed. Media can't stop obsessing over his age, and he's getting very little credit for historically low unemployment and inflation that is significantly down from last year's highs. In fact, the increasingly robust economy gets relentlessly negative media coverage."

Biden will have to go for Democrats to have a chance against Trump. Biden is increasingly being seen as a new Jimmy Carter, weak, affable, and incompetent. Trump's erratic behavior was tempered by his hiring people who knew what they were doing. Next year will be a referendum on the Trump presidency v. the Biden presidency. If the current global state of affairs continues it could harm Biden the way it did for Carter in 1980.

John Rossomando is a defense and counterterrorism analyst and served as Senior Analyst for Counterterrorism at The Investigative Project on Terrorism for eight years. His work has been featured in numerous publications such as The American Thinker, The National Interest, National Review Online, Daily Wire, Red Alert Politics, CNSNews.com, The Daily Caller, Human Events, Newsmax, The American Spectator, TownHall.com, and Crisis Magazine. He also served as senior managing editor of The Bulletin, a 100,000-circulation daily newspaper in Philadelphia, and received the Pennsylvania Associated Press Managing Editors first-place award for his reporting.

In this article:Democrats, Donald Trump, Trump, Trump indictmentWritten ByJohn Rossomando

John Rossomando is a senior analyst for Defense Policy and served as Senior Analyst for Counterterrorism at The Investigative Project on Terrorism for eight years. His work has been featured in numerous publications such as The American Thinker, Daily Wire, Red Alert Politics, CNSNews.com, The Daily Caller, Human Events, Newsmax, The American Spectator, TownHall.com, and Crisis Magazine. He also served as senior managing editor of The Bulletin, a 100,000-circulation daily newspaper in Philadelphia, and received the Pennsylvania Associated Press Managing Editors first-place award in 2008 for his reporting.


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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    last year

See what you anti Trumpers have wrought? Very few to blame but yourselves............and it's funny as hell. Good advice was to let it go......long ago but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    last year
... and it's funny as hell ...

It is "funny as Hell" to you that Trump is going to block Nikki Haley and other decent candidates for the GOP nomination??

Politics as a team sport is detrimental to the nation.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
1.1.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    last year

I guess you missed the theme of the article. Basically it is a "you reap what you sow". And no. I want Haley.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.1    last year
I want Haley.

6 years ago so did I ... but was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. (apol. to Bob)

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.1    last year
I guess you missed the theme of the article.

No, I did not miss it.   I commented on your deeming this "funny as Hell".   There is nothing at all funny, IMO, that Trump is going to block Nikki Haley and other decent candidates from the GOP nomination.

Basically it is a "you reap what you sow".

Which is bizarre too.   Do you think these lawsuits are all frivolous?   That Trump has not done anything wrong to merit these charges ... that this is all made up partisan crap?  

This great fun is serious business.   Nikki Haley will not have a chance to run for PotUS because Trump is blocking her and all other decent human beings.   And that is because of GOP members.   The Ds cannot make GOP members vote to nominate Trump;  that is their individual choices.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.3    last year

Some folks have shown us that they care much more about "owning the libs" than they do about the welfare of the nation, or even about achieving their own political goals, aside from "owning the libs".

I do have to wonder, if they sacrifice their own goals (Haley as the nominee) and end up losing the election, who owned whom?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.5  CB  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.4    last year

An interesting thought: Trump wins the GOP nomination. . . asks Haley to be his VP choice. . . looks "good" on paper. . . but then, how did Pence fair serving under the Trump: The Oppressor-in-Chief?  All that bowing and scraping the floor Pence accomplished during Trump's presidency gained him nothing in the end. Once again the proverb: "Everything Trump touches dies" will repeat itself!

Haley is better off staying as far away from Trump as she can get! 

Hypothetical—yes. Will play out for whomever Trump choosing. Vice-presidents are stooges in Trump's 'economy.'

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2  cjcold  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    last year

This guy writes for The American Thinker, Daily Wire, Red Alert Politics, CNSNews.com, The Daily Caller, Human Events, Newsmax, The American Spectator, TownHall.com, and Crisis Magazine. He also served as senior managing editor of The Bulletin, 19fortyfive.

With a resume like that he could write for Insane Asylum Weekly.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1.2    last year

And??

Anything you can dispute or just the usual whining about a source?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  cjcold @1.2    last year

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Texan1211
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1.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.2    last year

you know how it is when someone gets convinced of something that is wrong.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.2.4  Jasper2529  replied to  cjcold @1.2    last year
This guy writes for

Character assassination/denigration of the author is devoid of intelligent commentary pertaining to the article's topic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @1.2    last year

All such valid sources!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2  Right Down the Center    last year

TDS is helping Trump. Constant screams of orange man bad is so old people are ignoring them. Get ready for a few more lists of why trump can't be president and a couple comments about partisans.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    last year

I only need one reason, he is a known traitor, evidently such a thing doesnt matter at all to MAGA. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year

Yes. Orange man bad.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year
I only need one reason,

But you have so many.... that you tell us about... over and over and over.......

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year

Some call him a traitor, others call him a patriot.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.1.4  cjcold  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.1    last year
Yes. Orange man bad.

Asshole criminals don't get much worse.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    last year

“TDS is helping Trump.”

Only in the warped logic of our NT brethren.

The opinions of seven or eleven sycophants does not belie the facts. [x]

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.2.1  afrayedknot  replied to  afrayedknot @2.2    last year

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Right Down the Center
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2.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  afrayedknot @2.2    last year

Uh huh, sure

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
2.3  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    last year
TDS is helping Trump.

Indeed, it is the reason so many have dumped DeSantis.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @2.3    last year

Really?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.3.2  cjcold  replied to  Hallux @2.3    last year
have dumped DeSantis

The fact that Trump and DeSantis are the top two GOP contenders speaks volumes as to the corrupt GOP mindset.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    last year

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[x]

The article has almost nothing in the way of facts, other than that Trump has a big lead in the Republican race. I think we all know that. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    last year

It's not the legal attention on Trump that is aiding him. It's the total lack of leadership and inspiration from the rest of the party.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
4.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Tacos! @4    last year
It's not the legal attention on Trump that is aiding him.

It's not a primary driver, but I think it is actually aiding him.  He's very good at making the most of publicity, good or bad. 

It's the total lack of leadership and inspiration from the rest of the party.

That too, but not just his party.

One of the biggest and most consistent tailwinds for Trump is the lack of any reasonable Democrat as an alternative.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1    last year
That too, but not just his party.

Agreed. The leadership vacuum is arguably worse in the Democratic Party.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1    last year
One of the biggest and most consistent tailwinds for Trump is the lack of any reasonable Democrat as an alternative.

Yes.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5  Snuffy    last year

There's a piece of this that nobody is talking about.  Trump is spending campaign money on his court costs and lawyer fees.  According to CNBC, his PAC of $100 million only has $3.6 million in it.

Donald Trump's $100 million PAC has just $3.6 million in cash. trump campaign money - Google Search

While he may have the inside track in the primary, not having the cash available in the general election is gonna hurt him as he won't be able to travel and advertise. Is he counting on the news agencies reporting on his court cases to provide him with free advertising?  How badly will the lack of money impact his campaign?

I do wish he would just decide to drop out and focus on his court cases, it would make life so much better for everybody.  Hell, it would even make life easy for Biden and the Dem's as they could then easily decide they don't need Biden on a white horse to rescue them from that evil orange bastard and Biden could just retire to the beach and forgo his '24 election...  If you wanna dream, dream big!!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @5    last year
I do wish he would just decide to drop out and focus on his court cases, it would make life so much better for everybody.

Yes.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @5    last year

If only his ego would allow that

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2    last year

There is a simple solution, but the GOP members need to get their shit together.

Do not vote for Trump in the primaries.   

If he does not win in the primaries, he will not block the nomination.

This is all within the control of the GOP electorate.   If Trump is nominated, it will be the fault of the GOP electorate.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
5.2.2  bccrane  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.1    last year

And for the D's to switch to the R ballot, in open primary states, and vote the next popular R candidate.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.1    last year

If only life were that simple.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  bccrane @5.2.2    last year

The Ds and Is have some control in states that allow open primaries.   But that is nothing compared to the power of the GOP electorate.

My state, for example, has an open primary and I will (if voting today) vote for Haley to be the GOP nominee.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.3    last year

It is that simple, but the GOP electorate wants Trump so that is what they will get.

You do not want Trump to be the nominee but the GOP is forcing him down your throat.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.2.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.5    last year

If it is that simple then by all means do it.

The last couple elections have been the lesser of two evils. Looks like we are headed for a trifecta.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.6    last year
If it is that simple then by all means do it.

I am not the GOP electorate.   It is simple for the GOP electorate.   It is impossible for a single individual — it takes many individuals thinking rationally, responsibly, and patriotically.

In my original comment (and others), I clearly stated GOP electorate several times just to make this crystal clear:

TiG@5.2.1This is all within the control of the GOP electorate.   If Trump is nominated, it will be the fault of the GOP electorate.

We have a likely Trump nominee because of the GOP electorate — individual members of the GOP electorate show support for Trump which, in aggregate, creates support from the GOP electorate.


So what is it that causes individuals in the GOP to support / defend Trump given this ultimately enables him to block all decent candidates from the GOP nomination??

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.7    last year
So what is it that causes individuals in the GOP to support / defend Trump given this ultimately enables him to block all decent candidates from the GOP nomination??

I don't know, which is why I said getting  it done would not be simple. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.9  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.8    last year

The solution is simple.   What is next to impossible is to get the GOP electorate to effect the solution.

The GOP electorate seems (in aggregate) determined to seat Trump as their nominee.

The best an individual can do is to criticize the choice of Trump as nominee, NOT defend Trump and clearly NOT support Trump.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.2.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.9    last year
The solution is simple.   What is next to impossible is to get the GOP electorate to effect the solution.

That is like saying Peace in the ME is simple.  What is next to impossible is to get everyone to stop shooting at each other.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.10    last year

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying!

So let's now bring it back to the point I made.   The fault for why Trump is the leading candidate lies with the GOP electorate.   They (in aggregate) have the power (a simple solution) to nominate a decent human being but the GOP (in aggregate) is choosing Trump.

The GOP has lost its way.   Those who go with the flow contribute to this failure.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.2.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.11    last year
The GOP has lost its way.

Actually it seems they know exactly where they are going.  The reason Trump is leading is because that is who the majority wants at the present time.  They obviously don't agree with your failure assessment.  And they will nominate who they will.  As will the Dems and any other folks that get on the ballot.  Then Americans will make a choice.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.13  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.12    last year
The reason Trump is leading is because that is who the majority wants at the present time. 

Indeed.   Exactly what I have been writing.

They obviously don't agree with your failure assessment.  

Well of course not.   Those who would vote for Trump obviously will disagree with the assertion that voting for Trump is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.

And they will nominate who they will.  

Yes.   As I have been writing.

As will the Dems and any other folks that get on the ballot.  Then Americans will make a choice.

So basically you are repeating what I am writing and then ending by stating the obvious.   Yes, I think we all know that the parties will choose their nominee and that the USA electorate will select the next president.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.13    last year

You have been arguing that the solution is simple and I have been asserting that it is not.  Maybe you are oversimplifying your statement and I am talking about the implementation being anything but simple.  I will let you have the last word because I have better things to do.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.15  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.14    last year
You have been arguing that the solution is simple and I have been asserting that it is not. 

The solution is simple.   The way for Trump to NOT be the GOP nominee is for the GOP to nominate someone else.

By simple I am stating that the solution is easy to understand, straightforward, not complex.    I am pretty sure I have made that abundantly clear to you but for some reason you feel compelled to argue.

The solution is simple (easy to understand, straightforward, not complex) but encouraging the GOP electorate to get its act together to effect the solution seems impossible.

Instead of trying to argue every little nuance, maybe attempt to just understand what people write.


My point (again):   The fault for why Trump is the leading candidate lies with the GOP electorate.   They (in aggregate) have the power (a simple solution) to nominate a decent human being but the GOP (in aggregate) is choosing Trump.

The GOP has lost its way.   Those who go with the flow contribute to this failure.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
5.2.16  bccrane  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.4    last year

My state, for example, has an open primary and I will (if voting today) vote for Haley to be the GOP nominee.

That's great, but what if she is nowhere close to Trump, but another is close behind say Vivek and has the best chance of defeating Trump in the primaries, would you vote for Vivek?  Remember your vote against Trump doesn't work unless you vote the next popular, just anyone else doesn't cut it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  bccrane @5.2.16    last year

No, Vivek is a slimy opportunist.

Now, if Christie or Hutchinson were next in line, I would vote for them.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
5.2.18  bccrane  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.17    last year
No, Vivek is a slimy opportunist. Now, if Christie or Hutchinson were next in line, I would vote for them.

Hmmm, I didn't say who you would like to see as the R candidate.  If the whole point is to stop Trump in the primaries and if you had the chance to help that happen, then just talking the talk won't work you have to walk the walk, if like you say Vivek is a "slimy opportunist" he still is not Trump and that is all you need to know.  If you would be unwilling to vote for Vivek, then I don't see you as being serious about keeping Trump from the presidency.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.19  TᵢG  replied to  bccrane @5.2.18    last year
If you would be unwilling to vote for Vivek, then I don't see you as being serious about keeping Trump from the presidency.

Is that how your reasoning works?   You think all or none, black or white, on or off;  no nuance, no special conditions?   That is not how I operate and I doubt I am anywhere near alone in this regard.

My political calculations are not so simplistic.   If Vivek or Trump is the nominee, I will vote for Biden.   Thus issuing a primary vote for Vivek is pointless for me.  I would vote for the next most likely candidate in the primary in an attempt to help that individual secure the nomination.

And what is this crap about me NOT being serious about keeping Trump from the presidency?    If I do not vote exactly as you deem proper, that means I am not serious about keeping Trump from the presidency?

Have you read what I have written on this site since 2021?


Would you vote for Trump to be the nominee?

If Vivek is second in line for the nomination, would you vote for him instead?

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
5.2.20  bccrane  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.19    last year

If Vivek or Trump is the nominee, I will vote for Biden.

From what you have posted, granted I would assume as much.  And that is why I picked Vivek as the example as the next runner up.

I would vote for the next most likely candidate in the primary in an attempt to help that individual secure the nomination.

And if that would happen to be Vivek, then you would vote for him in the primary, right?  There is no nuance here, if the D's were serious about keeping Trump from the nomination, this is the only way they can help do it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  bccrane @5.2.20    last year
And if that would happen to be Vivek, then you would vote for him in the primary, right? 

No.   Read my post.

There is no nuance here, if the D's were serious about keeping Trump from the nomination, this is the only way they can help do it.

What nonsense, there is always nuance in voting.   In general, the best way for a non-GOP member to keep Trump from the nomination is to vote in the GOP primary for someone other than Trump who has a chance to secure the nomination.   But that is not the only rule in play given Vivek.   Take Vivek out of the equation and my choices would align with the simplistic rule that you desire.   Vivek in the equation introduces another major negative and conditions my decisions.   Vivek is not an option.

When faced with two unacceptable candidates, I turn to a third.   Hopefully that third is Haley (or Christie).  If one of the two unacceptable candidates wins the nomination, I vote for Biden (or whoever is the D nominee) in the general election.


Would you vote for Trump to be the nominee?

If Vivek is second in line for the nomination, would you vote for him instead?

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
5.2.22  bccrane  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.21    last year
In general, the best way for a non-GOP member to keep Trump from the nomination is to vote in the GOP primary for someone other than Trump who has a chance to secure the nomination.
Yes, I agree with that.

Would you vote for Trump to be the nominee?

No.

If Vivek is second in line for the nomination, would you vote for him instead?

Yes, but it appears that, at least from you, I won't be getting much help if the rest of the D's feel the same that;  Vivek is not an option.

(Please remember that this scenario may not come to pass), and yes I would prefer someone like Haley, but we'll have to see how things shake out.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.2.23  cjcold  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.4    last year

With Trump as the GOP pick in the general the dems are guaranteed a win no matter who they run.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.24  TᵢG  replied to  cjcold @5.2.23    last year

Not a guarantee (not so sure about the electorate nowadays) but I still think Trump would lose.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
5.2.25  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.15    last year
The solution is simple.

To be fair, the words "simple" and "easy" are often used interchangeably, so it's not hard to see how miscommunication occurs.

Those who would vote for Trump obviously will disagree with the assertion that voting for Trump is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.

They're very similar in that regard to people who vote for Bernie.

The GOP has lost its way.

You're stating your opinion as fact.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
5.2.26  Jack_TX  replied to  cjcold @5.2.23    last year
With Trump as the GOP pick in the general the dems are guaranteed a win no matter who they run.

Hillary Clinton might argue this.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.27  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.25    last year
To be fair, ...

I explained this.   Repeatedly.   To be fair, when one spends the time to explain the exact usage of a single English word used in clear context, repeatedly, then there is no excuse for stubbornly insisting on a different usage.

They're very similar in that regard to people who vote for Bernie.

So?

You're stating your opinion as fact.

You just stated your opinion as a fact.

Do you prefix every sentence you write with "In my opinion ..."?   No?   Then what exactly is your point?   Obviously if I write something it is my opinion.   If I want to state something as a fact I typically would indicate that and provide a supporting link.   Is that not how you operate?

I think it is far better to make topical, thoughtful comments rather than join those whose best contribution is an attempt to find something —anything— wrong in a post no matter how irrelevant and nit-picky.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.28  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.25    last year

[deleted]  IMO saying something is simple implies the implementation is simple.  Otherwise anything could be said to be simple, IF....... 

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Jack_TX
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5.2.29  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.27    last year
Then what exactly is your point? 

When you state, as fact, your opinion that people who disagree with you are inherently inferior, expect some pushback to that level of raving arrogance.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.30  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.28    last year

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.31  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.29    last year
When you state, as fact, your opinion that people who disagree with you are inherently inferior,

Where on Earth do you get this new crap??

Deliver a quote.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.32  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.2.28    last year
IMO saying something is simple implies the implementation is simple. 

And that is a fair interpretation ... right up to the point where the author clarifies his meaning.

When the author explains to you directly, in detail, exactly what he meant, why do you continue to argue?:

TiG@5.2.15 ☞ The solution is simple.   The way for Trump to NOT be the GOP nominee is for the GOP to nominate someone else.

By simple I am stating that the solution is easy to understand, straightforward, not complex.    I am pretty sure I have made that abundantly clear to you but for some reason you feel compelled to argue.

The solution is simple (easy to understand, straightforward, not complex) but encouraging the GOP electorate to get its act together to effect the solution seems impossible.

Not only do I clearly (repeatedly) state exactly what I meant, I even contrasted the solution in concept with the implementation.   

The solution to counter the USSR early Sputnik successes was for the USA to set foot on the moon.   The solution to that world political problem was easy to understand, straightforward and not complex.   Everyone could easily understand the solution and how it would likely address the political dominance problem.

The implementation of the solution was arguably the most complex undertaking the USA had done to date.

The solution to the political problem was simple, the implementation of the solution was complex.


Right now, the GOP is in a world of hurt.   It is dysfunctional and is likely to nominate a felon for PotUS — the only sitting PotUS in US history who has attempted to steal a presidential election through fraud, coercion, lies, suborning his own V.P., and inciting his followers.

This is a serious problem for the GOP now and in the future.   And if Trump were to become PotUS, it is likely that this narcissistic liar who will demonstrably throw the entire nation and the CotUS under the bus due merely to his ego, will again abuse the authority of his office and further harm this nation.

There is a simple solution to this problem:  GOP members vote for someone else in the primaries.

My point, again, is that the GOP electorate owns the Trump problem and it is totally within their control to make it go away ... they simply need to vote to nominate someone else.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.33  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.27    last year

Your final paragraph appears to be all some posters have to offer.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.34  CB  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.32    last year
My point, again, is that the GOP electorate owns the Trump problem and it is totally within their control to make it go away ... they simply need to vote to nominate someone else.

Emphatically.  And yet the GOP electorate 'holds' on to their 'Strongman' Trump, because he is dispassionate enough to tear the whole of governmental systems down for their benefit!  They know he is in dire straits, thus in his time of desperation - the strongman, himself, is hanging on simply by the string the GOP is extending him time and time again!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6  Right Down the Center    last year

I find it interesting that the same people that play the victim card as often as humanly possible are often the same people giving Trump the ammunition to play the victim card.  And then they complain about it.  Probably because it is more effective for him then it is for them.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7  CB    last year
Trump masterfully created a guilt by association which tied DeSantis with the hated Bush wing of the GOP that Republicans blame for their losses in social creds during the 2000s. Indicting Trump became rocket fuel that energized the GOP base around him. Trump's polling prior to his first indictment in April was anemic for a former president who remained popular among the GOP base, but it began to take off after.

Indicting Trump caused Repubs and Cons to fall on their swords in support of a 'creature'? Oh please, chaos is what some conservatives have been after, but could not locate a proper mascot and principal character who could take the heat and the loss of a decent legacy: Until this monstrosity showed up.

Well, Donald is your 'guy' now for 2024! Great! The 'master' has manipulated you all to stand right where he wants. Get ready, because the republican party's right flank is presently consuming its left flank something good!

 
 

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