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Finally spoken aloud

  
By:  luther28  •  Politics  •  6 years ago  •  40 comments

Finally spoken aloud

Well the cat is out of the bag as they say.

Rand Paul opined aloud the hypocrisy of the GOP in regards to budget deficits. For the past nine years the GOP wrung their hands and gnashed their teeth over deficits by the past administration, yet over the past few months have tacked on another approximate two trillion dollars (most likely under estimated).

What say ye, deficit hawks?

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luther28
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1  author  luther28    6 years ago

I have to agree with Mr. Paul, the hypocrisy is mind numbing to say the least.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  luther28 @1    6 years ago

What say ye, deficit hawks?

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Chicken deficit hawks, only squawking when dems in da house

Own the  TRILLION , cause at times too   much hypocrisy for one party to throw

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.2  MrFrost  replied to  luther28 @1    6 years ago

Indeed. Rand was spot on with his speech. When he said, "Republicans complained about Obama's trillion dollars, and now want to vote FOR the exact same thing?! That's the definition of hypocrisy!". I've said it before and I'll say it again....as a democrat i can say i would have PROBABLY voted for rand if it had come down to him or Hillary. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @1.2    6 years ago

People bitch and moan about the "tax and spend democrats". Well, their republicans are just "spend". Did somebody forget to tell them that money does not grow on trees?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  luther28 @1    6 years ago

You sound older in person

 
 
 
luther28
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1.3.1  author  luther28  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.3    6 years ago

Wise beyond my years:)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2  Trout Giggles    6 years ago

I have to agree with him, too. If he wasn't so religious, I might support him for another presidential run

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    6 years ago

That and he is a pro lifer and doesn't think 7 billion people have any impact on the environment. But no candidate is perfect. All in all i think he would have made a fine POTUS.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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2.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    6 years ago

Ya gotta love the Aqua Buddha. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2.2    6 years ago

Was that video based on any facts?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.3  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    6 years ago

I think olde Rand Paul is just a showboat and common contrarian crackpot. Always remember my moto, "Rand Paul 20Never". Still, I will give him one credit for sticking it to the damn gop for their hypocrisy regarding budget deficients and the national debt which republicans always rail against when out of powere only to spend like drunken sailors on shore leave whenever they get the chance. It is not like this is the first time. Trump and his oligarch friends are going to reap trillions out of the retirement accounts of working People's 401ks legally and place trillions and trillions of additional debt upon our children's futures for the short term enrichment of the already rich and powerful. It is like Groundhog Day seeing it all happen over again. I sometimes cannot help but wonder that if for years and years every single time that Hillary Clinton's name was ever invoked online someone had not been each and every time compelled to always always always intone, "Butt I never trusted her", that perhaps Mrs. Clinton and not Donald J. Trump would be sitting in The Oval Office today. C'est La Vie! There really is no accounting for the kinds of things I oft think upon nowadaze...

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.4  charger 383  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    6 years ago

but he is so annoying

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.4.1  lennylynx  replied to  charger 383 @2.4    6 years ago

His neighbor finds him annoying too!

 
 
 
Rex Block
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3  Rex Block    6 years ago

Amusing to see the faux outrage against the debt and deficits by the LWNJ's. It's never bothered them before!

Thanks to Trump's leadership, it appears we'll have budget peace for the foreseeable future.

Atta boy Donald. la de da applause thumbs up

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Rex Block @3    6 years ago

I've always had a problem with the goddamn debt in this country! This is our children's future we're talking about. We can't just keep borrowing and raising the debt ceiling. something's gotta give.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1    6 years ago
something's gotta give.

New Regulation after Regulation after Regulation (Gov. doesn't get rid of the old regulations first)?

"Feel Good" Policy after "Feel Good" Policies ?

Over Spending ?

Maybe start a Protest for "It's NOT what your Country can do for you" to force Gov. to restructure itself like Private business's do ?

#yournotmyemployer

These problems aren't specific to ONE individual party. It's a problem from ALL !

"By finding waste and abuse in entitlement programs, and eliminating it, we can ensure that the funds that are put into these programs go to the people that need them the most. "

Jim Ryun

 
 
 
JBB
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3.2  JBB  replied to  Rex Block @3    6 years ago

Actually, most intelligent folks are finally catching onto the gop's ''Starve The Beast" plan to repeatedly and unnecessarily cut taxes-on the very richest and big multi-national corporations thus decimating our government revenues only to than again claim that our federal government is too broke to afford to impove our infrastructure or make improvements to poor People's lives but the gop always claims we have enough money to cut taxes on the rich and big corporations, again, and the gop spends recklessly on unnecessary foreigh wars agression and on yet another fruitless military buildup. During this country's golden age, just after WWII, the top marginal tax rates for individuals and big corporations were about 90% and yet the rich and big corporations did just fine. In fact, everyone advanced. We built the interstate highways and international airports and sent men to the moon and back. Drain the Swamp? When the gop is in charge it is more like, drain the government's accounts to the point we cannot do anything except go to war, again. Since we know what the gop is up to and that is will not work prehaps it is time we tried what worked before and actually re-build our country and our union of citizenry, again...

 
 
 
luther28
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3.2.1  author  luther28  replied to  JBB @3.2    6 years ago

Now that was nicely said.

In fairness the corporate tax rate did require a reduction, as for the rest of it (including my scant crumbs) I would say it actually should have been raised (20 trillion has to come from somewhere).

 
 
 
luther28
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3.3  author  luther28  replied to  Rex Block @3    6 years ago

The point was that when Obama looked for a trillion to sink into infrastructure the GOP whined and carried on in regards to an already staggering deficit. Now that the GOP is in the drivers seat, deficits are miraculously deemed acceptable.

From my point of view, deficit spending of this magnitude should be reserved for extreme circumstances (ie: The Depression, WWII etc.), the party involved is neither here nor there.

Hypocrisy is the issue and it should bother everyone, right, left or middle.

By the by, other than putting pen to paper to sign this latest nonsense, Trump had little to nothing to do with this.

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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3.3.1  Jonathan P  replied to  luther28 @3.3    6 years ago

I don't think it's hypocritical at all.

First off, the great truth of our Legislative Branch is that there is only one way to get bipartisan support for a bill, and that is if it involves spending. Therefore, on the surface, it would seem that party A would always wring their hands at the prospect of a spending bill sponsored by party B. I get that.

The distinction in the type of spending we engage in is the litmus test for reasonableness and hypocrisy. During the Obama Administration, the deficit ballooned by approximately $9 trillion. That's with a "T". At a time we were financially vulnerable, it was rather easy to throw an incredible quantity of feces against the wall, hoping that most of it would actually stick. While most of it did, at the same time we were left with an expanded balance sheet and a greater cost of doing the business of Washington. Much of that needs to be undone, especially given the economic expansion we are now experiencing. As you know, once something is done in Washington, it is not easily undone. I know that people are dread to give but an iota of credit for anything our current President does, he is engaging in a Herculean effort to reverse a good amount of it. I wish him luck in that particular task. I hope it keeps him busy enough to stop tweeting.

The current request for additional funds is for our ever crumbling physical infrastructure, and our deficit in updated technological advancement. I would argue that this is intelligent spending, as compared to the somewhat less intelligent spending of the previous 8 years. Therefore, I would argue that it's reasonable to oppose bad spending requests, while approving good ones. Not all spending is alike, and not all opposition or approval of same is hypocritical.

 
 
 
luther28
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3.3.2  author  luther28  replied to  Jonathan P @3.3.1    6 years ago

I would agree for the most part, but how did Obamas infrastructure request differ from the present, there is where the hypocrisy lies.

Since 2000 we have been adding over one trillion a year to the debt, at some point either taxes will have to rise or expenditures have to decrease.

But that is my take.

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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3.3.3  Jonathan P  replied to  luther28 @3.3.2    6 years ago

The infrastructure bill was already on top of $9 trillion of additional deficit. In addition, there were concerns about how that money was going to be earmarked and spent, due to other stimulus plans that the Executive Branch had requested and received. They, you will recall, were not implemented properly, and weren't successful. There was a confidence/credibility issue. What I'm saying is that there was more to it than straight up politics. There were policy failures, and there was no desire to put more money in their hands for similar projects.

Now, it's true that we have this deficit in place, and there are plans afoot. They do not involve solely government funds, and there are conditions to all of this spending. Does that mean there won't be government spending? Of course not! But these things were overdue long ago, and as I see it, we are running low on choices.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.4  Dulay  replied to  Jonathan P @3.3.3    6 years ago
They, you will recall, were not implemented properly, and weren't successful.

If you're talking about the ARRA stimulus, it WAS successful. If not for the GOP keeping it as small as possible it cold have been even more effective. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.3.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jonathan P @3.3.3    6 years ago
They do not involve solely government funds, and there are conditions to all of this spending.

Ah, yes.  Remember the good old days, when you paid your taxes, and in return the government built highways and bridges for you to use in your quest to live and earn more money thus providing more taxes to keep the machine humming?  Those days are gone now.  Your taxes now go to bloated DoD spending, and horrifically expensive/ineffective mechanisms to surveil the tax payers.  You want to cross a river on a safe structure?  Pony up a toll, to pay to some foreign entity who built it exclusively for their own profit.

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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3.3.6  Jonathan P  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.3.5    6 years ago
the good old days, when you paid your taxes, and in return the government built highways and bridges for you to use in your quest to live and earn more money

Yes, I remember those days as well. Now, when I pay my taxes, more and more of it goes to the bloated bureaucracy that pays out entitlements to a quarter of the country. Yes, we used to work. Now, we don't have to. We just have to sit at home, and hold our hand out.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.3.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jonathan P @3.3.6    6 years ago
We just have to sit at home, and hold our hand out.

Really?  Is that all we have to do now?  If you want to live a life that has any value at all, you're not going to sit at home and collect a meager welfare check - provided you are even eligible for that meager welfare check.  A welfare check and no job just leaves you with way too much time to fill without having any money to enjoy it with.

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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3.3.8  Jonathan P  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.3.7    6 years ago
If you want to live a life that has any value at all, you're not going to sit at home and collect a meager welfare check

I couldn't agree more.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.3.9  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jonathan P @3.3.8    6 years ago

Well, you speak of welfare like it's a goal for some folks.  I don't think the vast majority of people strive to be on welfare.  I was on unemployment once, and the only thing I wanted was to get off unemployment and live off of a real wage.  I can't imagine the world that we are leaving to our kids, where jobs are becoming more and more scarce due to offshoring and automation.  At some point, there will be no other option than a basic living stipend for half the country.

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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3.3.10  Jonathan P  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.3.9    6 years ago

Hal,

There is a distinct difference between unemployment insurance and welfare, and I'm pretty sure you are aware of the distinctions.

There is ample statistical data that indicates intergenerational welfare recipients comprise a great number of those who are on welfare.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.4  Dulay  replied to  Rex Block @3    6 years ago

Except that debt limit thingy...

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4  It Is ME    6 years ago

Rand Paul has been touting this stuff against both sides since he was elected.

What's this "Beef"...or Praise..... about Rand again ?

 
 
 
CB
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4.1  CB  replied to  It Is ME @4    6 years ago

True. Good old Rand is a libertarian. Like Ron Paul, his retired dad, he does not believe central government should be prominently making debt for anybody! Exception: Maybe he likes his gov'tmint  salary??  ?? Who really knows.

 
 
 
freepress
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5  freepress    6 years ago

The turn about on so many issues is astounding. Republicans have now become everything they accuse Democrats of.

Yet when confronted with the hypocrisy on either side of any issue, their response is to blame someone else.

So they blame Democrats for the deficit, rant and harp about it for years using it as a hot button issue to get a Republican elected. Then once elected, the Republican does the unthinkable in a massive about face and does the exact opposite of their economic stand about the deficit, Republicans EXPLODE the deficit.

Republicans are Liars, people need to stop letting them off the hook for this betrayal of their own stated values. They lie, end of the story.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1  JBB  replied to  freepress @5    6 years ago

First off, Mrs. Clinton has not held public office for over five years and has been investigated multiple times by both houses of Congress coming up with not one thing to indict her for. Every e-mail, text of document she sent,, read or signed has been made public and digested. Every tax return that she and Bill ever submitted has been examined. The Clinton Foundation is the most publically audited organization in the world. The gop's endless efforts fo divert our attention away from all of the Trump Scandals is not working. The Clintons and the Obamas are retired public servants. The gop holds all the reigns of power. That is the rub. When asked by the gop why Clinton has not been indicted he said because indictments require evidence of malfeaseance and there despite numerous investigations there is no evidence that HRC committed indictable offences unlike Trump and Company. A full nine years after Obama became President of the United States exactly zero zip nada no ranking Obama campaign or administration officials have ever ever ever been indicted for malfeaseance in office. Not a one. That is already not true regarding Trump and Co and the indictments are just gonna keep on coming for Trump's Team of Felons and Traitors. That is just the way it is...

 
 
 
Fitbuddy
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6  Fitbuddy    6 years ago

The only time republicans are fiscally responsible is when a Democrat is president. Think about that for a moment. 

If you truly want fiscal responsibility from republicans in office, then you need to vote democrat for president. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7  TᵢG    6 years ago

Republicans have not been fiscally responsible for decades.   There is no fiscally responsible leadership in Congress.  

This town needs an enema indeed.   Except our national debt is not funny - in fact it is incomprehensibly bad.