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Why Trump blew up the debate, triggering a media backlash

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  6 years ago  •  5 comments

By:   Howard Kurtz (Fox News)

Why Trump blew up the debate, triggering a media backlash
It was President Trump who, deliberately and methodically, blew up the format by refusing to play by the rules,

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The whole debate had been carefully scripted and prepared by the media ginning up talking points over the past few weeks.  Everyone knew what questions would be asked well in advance.  Joe Biden only had to do one thing.  Joe Biden was supposed to cudgel Trump with talking points as some sort of cathartic means of bringing Trump to heel. 

Obviously a highly qualified member of the political establishment with a long history in politics could easily overwhelm a clown, a buffoon, someone who doesn't know how the game is played.

The problem is that Trump obviously knows the game, too.  And Trump didn't play by the rules.    Trump broke the spin machine.


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Well, how bad was it?

Was the Cacophony in Cleveland really the existentially awful event that just about everyone says it was?

Was it an "Epic Moment of National Shame" and an "Embarrassment for the Ages," as Politico's screaming headline put it?

Was it, as the Washington Post's Dan Balz wrote, "an insult to the public" and "a sad example of the state of American democracy"?

And what, if anything, did we learn from the first presidential debate?

There was some substance and strategy, but most of it was drowned out by the endless interruptions.

Joe Biden was uneven and was drawn into the insult game, calling the president a "clown" and "fool" who keeps "yapping." I don't see how that helps his pitch as a uniter.

But it was President Trump who, deliberately and methodically, blew up the format by refusing to play by the rules, constantly talking over Chris Wallace as well as his opponent. That's not a partisan observation, it's a fact. On a night when his campaign wanted to make the race more about Biden, Trump made it about himself and his tactics--fueling the media narrative that he's more obsessed with his grievances than the country's problems.

Every day, the media are awash in 20 Trump stories for every one about Biden. Sometimes that's the president's doing, such as predicting post-election chaos, as he did in the debate, and sometimes it's the press, as with the New York Times series on Trump's tax returns. The net effect is round-the-clock analysis and criticism of the 45th president and far less scrutiny for Biden, who sometimes deliberately avoids making news (as he did in Cleveland by refusing to take a stand on court-packing and filibustering).

The former reality show star is used to commanding the stage, and to dismissing or taunting reporters for questions he doesn't like. To do that at a debate was to shatter another norm. When you combine that with his warnings about massive mail-ballot fraud, you see a leader determined to cast doubt on the legitimacy of an election that polls show him losing.

"His strategy is basically to upend democracy," MSNBC's Chuck Todd declared yesterday, but even if you don't cast it in such dramatic terms, Trump is certainly sowing doubt.

The Trump approach alienated some female pundits. BBC's Katty Kay said it reminded her of every meeting where male loudmouths wouldn't let women talk. In the Atlantic, Megan Garber says: "Interruption is such a familiar form of disrespect. To be interrupted—in a meeting, in a casual conversation, on a presidential-debate stage—is to be told, with blunt efficiency, that your voice is not as important as the voice of the person who is talking over you. It is to be informed, through the prevention of the words you are trying to utter, that you matter just a little bit less. Welcome to the club, Joe and Chris. The water's warm, and deeply condescending. Many women, last night, remarked on the ugly intimacy of it all."

The presidential debate commission, for its part, is weighing "additional structure" for the last two faceoffs.

Beneath the chaos, we saw Trump trying to tie Biden to Bernie Sanders and left-wing positions he doesn't support, such as the Green New Deal and Medicare for All. We saw Biden constantly pivoting back to the coronavirus and health care, trying with limited success to avoid the mud-wrestling.

Biden's weakest moment was when he pleaded he was just a private citizen after Wallace asked if he'd pressed Portland's Democratic mayor or Oregon's Democratic governor to stop the violence there.

In contrast to Trump's law-and-order message, Biden said: "And by the way, violence in response is never appropriate, never appropriate. Peaceful protest is violence is never appropriate." Shooting and looting is a crime, and this sounded like an afterthought.

Trump's weakest moment was when Wallace asked him to condemn white supremacists. The president said "sure"--his surrogates are now saying that was the denunciation--then quickly added that "almost everything I see is from the left wing."

Pressed about the far-right Proud Boys, which promotes political violence, the president said: "Stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. Somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left."

It was a layup--a simple condemnation of white supremacists, which he's done before--that Trump refused to take.

But the final scorecard is unclear. The debate was so chaotic that the usual analytical tools that journalists use were rendered meaningless. Nobody, including the voters, really won.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    6 years ago

Trump deliberately broke the spin machine.  Now the establishment doesn't know what to do.  

The establishment can't look to Joe Biden; Biden failed to do the one thing the establishment carefully prepared him to do.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @1    6 years ago
Trump deliberately broke the spin machine.  Now the establishment doesn't know what to do.  

Trump effectively pulled down his pants and took a dump on stage. Of course the establishment doesn't know what to do with it, they were all aghast as most sane Americans were and should be after watching such a despicable performance. Sure, his base, the ever loyal sycophants gobble that shit up, metaphorically of course. They love a loud mouthed braggart bully just like many of them love WWE fake wrestlers who do the same before each match, shouting with spit and braggadocio. I've no doubt his performance energized many in his base, but I do not think it had the same effect for those still on the fence. I believe most independents were appalled by his behavior and now lean Biden because of it, thus Trumps slim chance of pulling out an electoral college win at the last second is slipping ever further away.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @1    6 years ago
The problem is that Trump obviously knows the game, too.  And Trump didn't play by the rules.    Trump broke the spin machine.

What Trump broke was his word. PERIOD full stop. 

You must be proud. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1    6 years ago
Trump deliberately broke the spin machine.

Accurate statement, the scary part is why he broke it.

Normal debates consist of the mediator asking a question of the debaters.  Each debater responds to the question, then they explain why their answer is correct and the other's is wrong.

Trump blew it up because he has no answers.  He cannot answer the question, and never has, instead he tried to deflect to canned talking points.

For example, the question about what actions Trump has taken for the Coronavirus.

Trump: I banned travel from China.  They say if I didn't over 2 million would have died.

Truth: He did not ban travel from China, he restricted it, but over 40,000 people still came from China after 1/31 and there was nothing in place for testing or quarantining them when they arrived.

This restriction took place January 31, 2020.  He did nothing February after it became obvious that the restriction didn't work.  March 13th he finally declared a national emergency. 

March 27th he finally orders ventilators to be built.  However there is no policy or procedure for distributing those ventilators or stored PPE.  Of all the states, only Florida received 3 full orders of what they requested.  Most states received a tiny fraction of what they requested, or none at all.  My state requested 10,000, multiple requests were ignored until the state's one and only Republican Senator made the request, then we were given 100.

Trump refuses to endorse a national mask mandate, and encourages his followers to not where masks.  Trump holds campaign rallies, with no mask requirements, which have turned into virus hotspots.

If debates resume, and Trump is not allowed to shout down any truths, he will have nothing to say other than long debunked lies or deflections.  Both of which any real mediator will call him out on.

 
 

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