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No, You're Not Imagining a Migrant Crime Spree

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  3 days ago  •  30 comments

By:   Steven Malanga (City Journal)

No, You're Not Imagining a Migrant Crime Spree
Four years of open borders and sanctuary policies have brought criminal drug networks, human trafficking, and an epidemic of sexual assault.

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The lesson to be learned is that lax treatment of criminals only invites more crime.  Liberals tell us that lax border security, raising the bar for deporting criminal aliens, lenient prosecution, defunding police, inadequate data collection, demands for cheap labor, and over reliance on tourism just can't be contributing factors.  No, the problem has to be that conservatives are lying their asses off.  Just don't follow the money because that would lead to federal subsidies for criminal activity. 

Liberals, especially, tell us that federal money doesn't lie.  And funding provided by the federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program proves, beyond doubt, that illegal immigrants do commit crimes at much higher rates than citizens and legal residents.  Even Blue Islands won't give up federal money to protect a political lie.  They'll try to spin, misinform, deflect, and naturally blame conservatives.  

But burglary tourism really is a thing.  The Federal government, under liberal control, is subsidizing criminal activity with easy to get visas.  Now liberals will lecture and misinform us that these criminals aren't really immigrants; they're here on a tourist visa.  And they're here legally since they do have visa.  Just ignore that the visa is for the express purpose of committing crime.  And besides, that's the fault of conservatives because they're rich.

Immigration has become a perfect storm of liberal imbecile enlightenment.  Perhaps the indigenous narrative has finally become mainstream that all immigrants are murderous criminals.  Or are liberals simply sweeping the problems under the rug to avoid political accountability.


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


October 20, 2024 -- The arrest of an illegal immigrant for the murder of Georgia nursing student Laken Riley a few weeks before President Joe Biden's 2024 State of the Union address ignited a political firestorm. "Laken's death is the direct result of policies on the federal level and an unwillingness by this White House to secure the southern border," Georgia's Republican governor Brian Kemp charged, after reports emerged that the border patrol had grabbed Venezuelan Jose Ibarra back in 2022, but that he was quickly paroled and released into the United States. Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, reacting to the controversy, warned of an illegal-alien crime wave; at the State of the Union itself, Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene interrupted Biden, calling out for the president to "say her name"—a reference to Riley. When Biden did mention her name, he acknowledged that she died at the hands of an illegal migrant; further controversy ensued when he later apologized for using the term "illegal," and not the politically correct "undocumented."

The elite press rode to Biden's defense. The idea of a migrant crime wave was a myth, media outlets proclaimed, noting studies of Texas incarceration data from years ago, which seemed to suggest that illegals commit crimes at low rates. This ignored other surveys, based on federal multistate data, which show a far more troubling reality. And after years of a migrant border "surge"—with countless asylum-seekers inadequately vetted and then allowed to enter the U.S.—state law-enforcement agencies now warn that immigrant gangs have seized control of many drug- and human-trafficking networks and have unleashed robbery sprees across the nation. With polls showing Americans alarmed about illegal immigration—a majority even backing mass deportations—Virginia governor Glenn Youngkin reflected public anger when he charged that "every state" is now "a border state."

Underlying the escalating controversy is the sheer number of migrants entering America during the Biden administration. In a 2020 debate with Trump, Biden seemed to encourage an immigration surge, and it followed soon after his election, with about 8 million people, on some estimates, flocking to the U.S. border without applying first for legal entry. The administration has released up to 3.3 million of them into the U.S. to await immigration hearings, many of which won't occur for years. At the same time, the number of immigrants who enter by avoiding border security and remain fraudulently in America has also skyrocketed, to an estimated 1.6 million to 1.7 million since Biden's election, compared with about 1.4 million over the entire previous decade.

Yet, even as more illegals arrived, removals of those convicted or accused of a crime have dropped. In 2021, illegal immigrants deported because of accusations or convictions of lawbreaking fell to 45,432, from a high of 123,128 in 2019, according to Immigration and Custom Enforcement's annual report on enforcement-removal operations; in 2022, ICE removed just 46,400 aliens. Similarly, ICE prosecutions of illegals for criminal actions have plunged by two-thirds, from 6,739 in 2019 to just 2,208 in 2022.

We have no reason to think that this reflects reduced levels of criminality. Shortly after taking office, in fact, the Biden administration narrowed the criteria for expelling criminal aliens, requiring immigration officials to remove only those deemed an immediate risk to public safety; others, even felony offenders, were permitted to stay. The order also mandated newly extensive investigation of individual cases, which, combined with the border influx, overwhelmed immigration services. The crisis is captured in the numbers: the caseload of immigration-removal operations has soared from about 3 million in 2019 to 6 million under Biden in 2023, while staffing has stayed flat.

Against this backdrop, numerous high-profile crimes—including the murder of Riley, an assault by several immigrants in Times Square on NYPD officers, and police cautions about foreign home-invasion gangs hitting wealthy neighborhoods—have intensified the debate over just how much crime the Biden immigrant surges have unleashed. Much of the mainstream media and immigration advocates, for their part, accuse conservatives of making it all up. Headlines like "The Myth of the Migrant Crime Wave," "Migrant Crime Wave Not Supported by Data," and "Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes" have been common, especially after Trump made immigrant crime a 2024 campaign issue.

Most of these stories rely on studies like one from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2020, which used data from 2012 through 2018 collected by Texas's Department of Public Safety. That study estimated that illegals commit crimes only two-thirds as often as legal state residents. Critics note that the report is limited, focusing on only one state—by necessity, since few local jurisdictions have released data on immigrant prisoners (in so-called sanctuary states and cities, intentionally so). Officials at the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for immigration restrictions, say that the PNAS study also undercounted the number of incarcerated illegals because of limitations on how Texas collected the data.

To overcome the data deficit, the Federation for American Immigration Reform considered statistics from the federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, which enables states to get reimbursed by Washington for the cost of incarcerating illegals. To be paid, states must verify that prisoners are illegal immigrants and file detailed reports to the feds. Examining the SCAAP data for ten states with the highest illegal-alien populations, the FAIR study found that, on average, illegals were more than twice as likely to be in prison in California, compared with other state residents; they were twice as likely to be in prison in New York, too; in New Jersey, they were nearly four times as likely, and in Arizona, nearly five times. Among the states studied, Texas showed the smallest difference between legal residents and illegal immigrants in rates—probably, the FAIR authors theorized, thanks to tougher border enforcement, which deters immigrant criminals from remaining in the state.

The arrest of eight Tajikistan nationals with terrorist ties earlier this year exposes the porousness of U.S. borders. American immigration officials had supposedly vetted the accused men, who were then released into the U.S.; their terror links emerged only later, thanks to the U.S. intelligence services' monitoring of ISIS communications. Such vulnerability led FBI director Christopher Wray recently to warn of "dangerous individuals" illegally getting into America, part of the "threats that emanate from the border," which also include extensive drug smuggling.

That the migrant surge began just months after a defund-the-police movement swept America has doubtless fueled the immigrant crime problem. The anti-law-enforcement push, intensifying after George Floyd's 2020 death in Minneapolis, has decimated forces in many places, as demoralized cops quit, and has led to a rollback of proactive enforcement methods, including in immigrant-heavy cities like New York and Los Angeles. The rise of soft-on-crime progressive prosecutors, who back bail reforms that put wrongdoers quickly back on the street or seek light sentences for those convicted, has further weakened crime deterrents. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is a prime example. He sparked outrage in early 2024 when he released, without bail, several immigrants after they had attacked NYPD officers—this despite clear video evidence of the violence. A grand jury subsequently indicted the migrants, leading to a nationwide hunt to recapture them.

The Bragg-style soft-on-crime approach—especially combined with sanctuary policies that keep cops from cooperating with immigration authorities—has resulted in countless examples of repeat-offender aliens getting off scot-free. NYPD officials slammed New York's sanctuary policies, which forbid the police from cooperating with federal immigration officials, after an illegal alien with previous convictions and a deportation order against him brutally raped a New York woman in August. "When will our sanctuary city laws be amended to allow us to notify federal authorities regarding the deportation of non-citizens convicted of violent crimes?" the NYPD's chief of patrol asked the press. Sometimes, deadly consequences have ensued, like the horrifying case of 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray of Houston, whom two illegals allegedly dragged under a bridge, raped, and killed. Border officials had earlier stopped and released the two men. Testifying before Congress last year, the president of Victims of Illegal Alien Crime, Donald Rosenberg, said that almost all illegal-alien-caused deaths in the U.S. are preventable. "In the past 12 years, I have reviewed hundreds, maybe over a thousand, cases that resulted in a fatality. I can't remember one where the killer didn't have prior convictions or, at the very least, contact with law enforcement. Why were these people still here?"

Recently, several whistleblowers from U.S. Customs and Border Protection said that immigration officials have been failing to enforce a federal law that mandates collection of DNA samples from illegals. The result: a failure to identify criminals who are then released back into society instead of being detained. "The continued, prolonged, willful failure to comply with the DNA Fingerprint Act has resulted in the harm that Americans are dead, and these deaths were preventable," border agent Fred Wynn recently said.

Riley's alleged killer had been arrested several times and let go, despite his illegal status. At the time of the murder, Georgia authorities wanted Ibarra for failing to appear in court after a shoplifting arrest and release. A 2018 Government Accountability Office study found the problem particularly acute in sanctuary states. The average criminal illegal alien in California has six convictions, yet remains in the United States. According to a recent letter from ICE officials to Congress, there are 662,566 immigrants on an ICE non-detain docket—that is, they have been accused or convicted of a crime but aren't being deported, including 435,719 convicted criminals and 226,847 with charges pending. This includes 62,231 convicted of assault (15,811 of sexual assault) and 14,301 convicted of burglary.

Immigration advocates counter that significant immigrant wrongdoing can't be going on, as crime rates are now falling. That's disingenuous. As former director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics Jeffrey Anderson explained in City Journal , though the sharp rise in crime that began in late 2020 appears to have peaked, violent crime levels remain well above 2019 levels, after increases of as much as 73 percent in urban areas, according to victimization reports. Elevated crime "is not a figment of Americans' imaginations," Anderson observes.

Meantime, despite the media's minimizing the issue, governors and public-safety officials in many states have talked openly about how they've had to redirect money and law-enforcement personnel to fight illegal-immigrant crime. The cost of this effort figures prominently in a lawsuit against the Biden administration, filed by 18 largely Republican-led states, stretching from Virginia and Tennessee in the east to Utah in the west to Iowa and Wyoming, over 1,000 miles north of the southern border. Iowa officials, for instance, say that they've had to boost spending by "tens of millions of dollars each year for increased law enforcement related to immigrant criminals." The state's residents, the officials complain, "suffer increased crime, unemployment, environmental harm, and social disorder, due to illegal immigration." Despite its distance from the southern border, the state has become "a hot spot for trafficking activity."

Mexican migrant gangs have invaded Montana, a northern border state, seizing control of the illegal opioid market and driving an epidemic of overdose deaths on Indian reservations. "People are surprised," the U.S. attorney for Montana, Jesse Laslovich, notes. "You're as far north as you can get in the United States, and yet we have the cartel here." After visiting the southern border in early 2023, Montana's governor, Greg Gianforte, added, "The situation has never been more dire for our country. Human traffickers and drug cartels are profiting on catastrophe the Biden administration has made worse, with thousands of illegal crossings each day."

Democrat-led California wasn't part of the lawsuit, but it, too, has struggled with climbing criminality by illegal aliens. In 2023, for example, the state spent roughly $30 million to expand the California National Guard's border drug-interdiction work, assigning some 370 soldiers to a task force that seized over 60,000 pounds of fentanyl that year alone—a tenfold increase in just two years. In early summer 2024, federal and state authorities busted a drug-smuggling and money-laundering operation in Los Angeles run jointly by Mexico's Sinaloa cartel and Chinese gangs.

Entering America illegally, Chinese gangs have cornered the black market for pot in Oklahoma. Though pot legalization was supposed to ease drug-related crime, the spread of legal recreational cannabis and so-called medicinal marijuana has produced a new kind of black market, in which criminal gangs cultivate the drug and then sell it more cheaply than government-approved retailers. In the Sooner State, the gangs have imported an army of migrant workers to work the fields and distribute the illicit product. State leaders estimate that roughly 3,000 illegal-immigrant growers are operating in Oklahoma, with about 80 percent of them under Chinese mafia control; they're selling $18 billion to $40 billion yearly in pot, a ProPublica investigation estimated. Chinese women get trafficked across the border to serve as prostitutes for the men working the farms. And the criminal activity doesn't stop there. As one former Drug Enforcement Administration official recently noted, "Marijuana causes so much crime at the local level—gun violence in particular. The same groups selling thousands of pounds of marijuana are also laundering millions of dollars of fentanyl money. It's not just one-dimensional." ProPublica listed some of the crimes associated with illegals in Oklahoma: "violence, drug trafficking, money laundering, gambling, bribery, document fraud, bank fraud, environmental damage and theft of water and electricity."

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An Oklahoma law-enforcement official debriefs the press on violence associated with foreign drug gangs operating in the state. (Billy Hefton/The Enid News & Eagle /AP Photo)

Lax border security has also enabled foreign criminals to exploit the larceny du jour in America: retail theft. Organized shoplifting has exploded in recent years, as states softened penalties against theft and passed bail reforms that let nonviolent criminals remain on the streets. Illegal-immigrant gangs noticed. In congressional testimony, National Retail Federation officials detailed how crews of Eastern European illegals have launched roughly 170 shoplifting rackets nationwide. Members wear specially designed clothing with extra-large pouches, so that they can cart lots of merchandise away. Similarly, Latin American gangs have come to the U.S. and stolen "high-value electronic devices," which they then move to central locations to get shipped overseas for sale. Disrupting these multistate networks, the retail executives told Congress, has been tough, partly because "it has been challenging to get state or federal prosecution or collaboration" against the gangs.

This "burglary tourism" has lately extended to breaking and entering in residential neighborhoods. South American gangs, especially from Chile, have obtained visas to get into the U.S. without criminal background checks, through a Homeland Security program called the Electronic System for Travel Authorization-Visa Waiver Program, and have gone on a burglary spree. (The program was paused this summer after an internal report found massive fraud, a Fox News investigation uncovered.) These sophisticated crews use Wi-Fi suppression equipment to disarm home alarms, cell-phone trackers to determine the location of homeowners, and fake IDs, and have committed break-ins in Orange County in California, Oakland County in Michigan (where one foray yielded an $800,000 haul), and Raleigh, North Carolina, among other locations. The gangs face minimal risks. Even when cops bust them, the perpetrators, typically with no criminal history in the U.S., are often speedily let go. Then they vanish, skipping their court dates. The leaky immigration system has made some criminals so bold that they deliberately get themselves arrested at the California border, knowing that they will be immediately released into America. They then proceed to commit residential burglaries and other thefts, according to Orange County Senior Deputy District Attorney Bradley Schoenleben's testimony before Congress. Schoenleben blamed "soft-on-crime policies and federal failures to verify criminal histories for Chilean Visa Waiver applicants" for unleashing this crime wave.

A more lethal problem is a sharp upsurge in U.S. criminal activity attributed to members of infamously violent Latin American gangs, often fleeing authorities in their home countries. The suspect in the murder of Maryland mother Rachel Morin, for instance, is a Salvadorean street-gang member. He fled to the U.S. after killing a woman in El Salvador, then attacked a mother and her nine-year-old daughter in Los Angeles, before traveling cross-country to end Morin's life, say police. She was the second woman in Maryland allegedly murdered within a year by illegals linked with Salvadorean street gangs. "[This] should not be happening," Sheriff Jeffrey Gahler of Harford County, Maryland, said. The assailant "did not come here to make a better life for himself, or for his family; he came here to escape a crime he committed in El Salvador." The murder is part of a disturbing pattern. Texas's Department of Public Safety, for instance, has issued a 10 Most Wanted Criminal Illegals list—all are sought for sexual crimes and violence against women and children, among other offenses.

Many illegal South American gang members are settling in immigrant communities, where they've joined gang members already here, sometimes engaging in criminal enterprises that exploit law-abiding migrants. Such infiltration has long been a law-and-order concern. Research has shown that illegals make up more than half the ranks of some domestic Hispanic gangs. Now, the migrant influx is feeding a new generation of gang membership. Police in several cities have noticed a rise in arrests of Venezuelan illegals, many appearing to belong to a feared Venezuelan gang called the Tren de Aragua. Last year, 38 members were arrested in six locations around the country. A man linked to the group, which runs prostitution rings in South America, was arrested for the murder of a retired Venezuelan cop in Miami.

Venezuelan newcomers are also propelling a recent crime wave in New York City, in which thieves on scooters snatch valuables and zoom off. The scheme's instigator, which involved at least 14 individuals living in migrant shelters, was a Venezuelan, a 2023 New York arrival. He and his coconspirators are part of an enormous spike in illegal immigration, under Biden, from that troubled country. In fiscal year 2023, more than 330,000 Venezuelans traversed the southern U.S. border. By contrast, in 2017, immigration officials recorded only 2,800 border encounters with Venezuelans.

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Police in New York City put up wanted posters after killings near a Brooklyn migrant shelter. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

The true scale of illegal-alien offending is hard to determine, due to insufficient data and local authorities' stonewalling. Some states are trying to address this issue. Tennessee, for example, recently mandated that local officials report crime data involving illegals to the federal government. We can get a sense of the problem's magnitude through a Government Accountability Office study of crimes committed by illegals subsequently incarcerated in federal and local prisons. Analyzing data from 2011 through 2016, the study attributed more than 1 million drug violations, 33,000 homicides, 500,000 assaults, 110,000 auto thefts, and 132,000 sex offenses to illegals. And these figures predate the 2021 border surge, recent bail reforms that have let offenders walk free, and the reduction in public-safety efforts following the defund-the-police movement.

"We know for a fact that not every individual who crosses the border illegally into the U.S. goes on to commit violent acts. But given the number [of illegals], even a very small percentage results in a definite increase in crime in the United States," ICE whistleblower Wynn has said.

Illegal immigration shows up in some surveys as the top issue for voters—even more important than inflation. And about two-thirds of them disapprove of the Biden administration's handling of it. In early June, the administration tried to correct course with an executive order that significantly restricts the granting of asylum requests at the border. Voters appeared underwhelmed, with only 40 percent approving of it in one poll, probably because it seems "too little, too late." The issue presents a headwind for Vice President Kamala Harris in her presidential campaign.

Republicans want more sweeping action. Tennessee senator Marsha Blackburn has proposed a law that would require local authorities to work with federal immigration officials to deport criminal illegals, denying federal funds to states that fail to comply. After North Carolina officials arrested an illegal immigrant for the murder of a Wake County sheriff, Senator Ted Budd offered legislation to deport any illegal who assaults a police officer. Trump, meantime, has stepped up attacks on Harris over immigrant crime, promising to increase deportations massively.

Surveys show that a majority of Americans back illegal-immigration policy solutions that the media often describe as part of an extreme MAGA agenda. Even as the press decried Trump's deportation promises, a spring poll found that six in ten voters endorsed a "new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants." A third of Democrats backed the idea. A crucial starting point would be to remove thousands of known illegal felons, and to end many local authorities' practice of releasing criminal illegals back into society. This is the least that America should do to protect its citizens, as well as those foreigners here legally.



Steven Malanga is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and City Journal 's senior editor.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    3 days ago

Crime really does pay under liberal immigration policies.  And it is a certainty liberals will lie to cover up that fact.  After all, it's all the fault of conservatives.  Liberals have a scapegoat so they can't be blamed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1    3 days ago
Crime really does pay under liberal immigration policies.

So how does that compare to non-immigrant crime?

Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 days ago

Think of all the crime that would not be committed if there no illegal immigrants, or very few of them.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 days ago
So how does that compare to non-immigrant crime?

As cited in the seeded article:

Most of these stories rely on studies like one from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2020, which used data from 2012 through 2018 collected by Texas's Department of Public Safety. That study estimated that illegals commit crimes only two-thirds as often as legal state residents. Critics note that the report is limited, focusing on only one state—by necessity, since few local jurisdictions have released data on immigrant prisoners (in so-called sanctuary states and cities, intentionally so). Officials at the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for immigration restrictions, say that the PNAS study also undercounted the number of incarcerated illegals because of limitations on how Texas collected the data.

That's the second link you provided.

To overcome the data deficit, the Federation for American Immigration Reform considered statistics from the federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, which enables states to get reimbursed by Washington for the cost of incarcerating illegals. To be paid, states must verify that prisoners are illegal immigrants and file detailed reports to the feds. Examining the SCAAP data for ten states with the highest illegal-alien populations, the FAIR study found that, on average, illegals were more than twice as likely to be in prison in California, compared with other state residents; they were twice as likely to be in prison in New York, too; in New Jersey, they were nearly four times as likely, and in Arizona, nearly five times. Among the states studied, Texas showed the smallest difference between legal residents and illegal immigrants in rates—probably, the FAIR authors theorized, thanks to tougher border enforcement, which deters immigrant criminals from remaining in the state.

Follow the money.  And the federal money shows that immigrants are incarcerated at much, much higher rates than legal residents in some states.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    2 days ago

Think of all the crime that would not be committed if there no illegal immigrants, or very few of them.

Think of all the crime that would not be committed if there are no assault weapons allowed.

Think of all the crime that would not be committed if Donald Trump was an honest person.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.2    2 days ago
As cited 

You may question the origin of the numbers cited, but without any other examples or studies to cite, your point is meaningless.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.4    2 days ago

They usually are.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    2 days ago
They usually are.

But it's funnier when they try to support their claims with editorials from sites like The Federalist, OAN, and such.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.2    yesterday
'And the federal money shows that immigrants are incarcerated at much, much higher rates than legal residents in some states.'

Which states and for what reasons?

In other words, prove it.

Truth is, migrants, legal or otherwise, commit LESS crime than US citizens.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.8  afrayedknot  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.3    yesterday

“Think of all the crime that would not be committed if there are no assault weapons allowed.”

And while the criminal will be prosecuted, the tragedy lies in the lives lost, the families forever shattered…in the acceptance and defense of weaponry that has no place in our society.

Slippery slope arguments are inherently flawed…the next tragic incident is as sure to follow as the inevitable excuses. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 days ago

"Four years of open borders and sanctuary policies have brought criminal drug networks, human trafficking, and an epidemic of sexual assault."

Complete and utter bullshit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1    yesterday

'No, You're Not Imagining a Migrant Crime Spree'

No, it's just not true

 
 
 
evilone
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2  evilone    3 days ago

How far into the weeds does one need to go to find a right wing populist blog site? And why should anyone take what they have to say seriously?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  evilone @2    3 days ago
How far into the weeds does one need to go to find a right wing populist blog site? And why should anyone take what they have to say seriously?

There's weed in Manhattan?  Maybe OK immigrant crime gangs are shipping in the cheap stuff.  Don't worry; the suppliers won't be deported.  

This wouldn't be an issue if Joe Biden had not forced New York into acknowledging it is a border state.  Even Spanish-speaking Canucks are becoming a problem.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @2    3 days ago

Well, maybe because what they say is the truth?

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.1  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2    3 days ago
Well, maybe because what they say is the truth?

Biased sources are rarely truthful.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  evilone @2.2.1    3 days ago
Biased sources are rarely truthful.

So, the Federal data is biased?  Sometimes 'told ya so' just doesn't seem adequate.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.3  evilone  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.2    2 days ago
So, the Federal data is biased? 

If you had clean federal data they why did you have to go all the way to some right wing populist blog site to find it? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2    2 days ago

That's hilarious.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3  Thomas    2 days ago
We can get a sense of the problem's magnitude through a Government Accountability Office study of crimes committed by illegals subsequently incarcerated in federal and local prisons. Analyzing data from 2011 through 2016, the study attributed more than 1 million drug violations, 33,000 homicides, 500,000 assaults, 110,000 auto thefts, and 132,000 sex offenses to illegals. 

Do they mean GAO-18-433

The numbers don't add up.

Table 12: Estimated Number and Percent of Attempted or Committed Offenses for Which State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in State Prisons and Local Jails from Fiscal Years 2010 through 2015 who had an FBI Number Were Arrested/Transferred by State and Local Arresting Agencies from 1972 through 2017

So, this table shows the total state and local incarcerations from 2010 to 2015, not the total # of incidents. The individual incidents range from 1972 to 2017. Plus, these numbers were arrived at statistically and have an error of +/- 4%.

512

Now, this one does have an estimated homicide 24,100 people, but that is for offenses from 1972 through 2017. 

If we look at Table 11, we get a better picture of the real numbers committed, and may gain some perspective

512

There the homicide number looks similar, but you have to multiply it by 10 to get 33,000 homicides claimed. Even when you add in the numbers from the Federal statistics...

512  

... we only see 72 more. So that leaves us with a grand total of 3372, not 33,000.

This story lacks credibility. 

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1  evilone  replied to  Thomas @3    2 days ago
This story lacks credibility. 

Oh! no!... say it isn't so...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @3    2 days ago

I'm shocked!  Shocked I tell you!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Thomas @3    2 days ago
Do they mean GAO-18-433

The author provides links to source material in the original article.  Check the original article.

So, this table shows the total state and local incarcerations from 2010 to 2015, not the total # of incidents. The individual incidents range from 1972 to 2017. Plus, these numbers were arrived at statistically and have an error of +/- 4%.

No, tables 11 & 12 show Federal arrests and transfers.  Why would state/local arrests be assigned an FBI number?   Table 13 shows only Federal convictions.

Keep in mind that the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) provides funding for state/local housing prisoners that should be in Federal custody.  Doesn't that suggest that the Federal prison system is being overwhelmed? 

Also keep in mind that the crime, itself, may only violate state/local laws.  But immigrants (even those with legal residency) committing those crimes is a violation of Federal immigration laws.  Immigrants with legal residency committing crimes transform themselves into illegal immigrants subject to deportation.  The commission of crime forfeits any protected status or asylum granted under immigration law.  

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.3.1  Thomas  replied to  Nerm_L @3.3    yesterday

The numbers stated in the article are wrong, according to the GAO Study. Period. They are inflated by a factor of ten, at least for the homicide statistics. They are bogus and came from somewhere stinky. 

Sorry, but you are wrong about the tables.

Table 12 shows people who were currently incarcerated in state or local prisons or jails during the studied period of 2011 through 2016 and were arrested/transferred between 1972 through 2017. 

Here (From the GAO Study, emphasis mine):

Based on a random sample of criminal aliens incarcerated in federal prisons
during fiscal years 2011 through 2016 and based on a random sample of SCAAP
criminal aliens incarcerated in state prisons and local jails during fiscal years
2010 through 2015, GAO estimated the following:


• The approximately 197,000 federal criminal aliens included in GAO’s
analysis were arrested/transferred about 1.4 million times for
approximately 2 million offenses from over 43 years (from 1974 through
2017); 42 percent of the offenses that these criminal aliens were
arrested for were related to immigration and 26 percent were related to
drugs or traffic violations.

•The approximately 533,000 SCAAP criminal aliens included in GAO’s
analysis were arrested/transferred about 3.5 million times for
approximately 5.5 million offenses from over 53 years (from 1964
through 2017); 52 percent of the offenses that these SCAAP criminal
aliens were arrested for were related to traffic violations, drug offenses,
or immigration offenses. 

And:

For its arrest analyses, GAO selected generalizable random samples of (1) 500 criminal aliens from about 197,000 that were incarcerated in federal prisons from fiscal years 2011 through 2016 and (2) 500 SCAAP criminal aliens from about 533,000 that were incarcerated in state prisons and local jails from fiscal years 2010 through 2015. These samples included only those criminal aliens who had a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) number—a unique identifier. This unique identifier allowed GAO to obtain arrest/transfer histories for these criminal aliens from FBI’s database, which includes data from law enforcement agencies across the nation.

While the samples selected for the arrest analyses allowed GAO to estimate and provide insights about
the arrest history of the criminal aliens in the study populations, these findings are not generalizable to the arrest history of criminal aliens not included in these populations. These data did not allow GAO to distinguish between a new arrest and a transfer from one agency to another; therefore, these are collectively referred to as “arrests/transfers.” An arrest/transfer can be for multiple offenses. GAO’s
arrest analyses have a margin of error of plus or minus 7 percentage points or fewer.

I did find Table 10, which "added" 6000 homicides... You cannot really add these estimates up. They are from random samples of different data sets and, as is stated frequently in the report, the data is not generalizable to the criminal alien population as a whole, much less to the alien population as a whole. Which means that the statement of
33,000 homicides over 6 years is highly dubious at best. The data in the GAO study definitely does not support it. I find the author's "analysis" of the GAO study to be faulty and bearing upon fraudulent. The only way I see to come close to 33,000 is to add all of the Homicide numbers up, which you definitely are not supposed to do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @3.3.1    yesterday
2 million offenses from over 43 years (from 1974 through
2017); 
5.5 million offenses from over 53 years (from 1964through 2017)

Does that mean that some have twisted the data to say that all these offenses occurred over the Biden/Harris administration?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.3.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Thomas @3.3.1    yesterday
The numbers stated in the article are wrong, according to the GAO Study. Period. They are inflated by a factor of ten, at least for the homicide statistics. They are bogus and came from somewhere stinky. 

Here's the source listed in the original article:  

(Yes, you forced me to go back and reread the article.)  

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.3.4  Thomas  replied to  Nerm_L @3.3.3    yesterday
(Yes, you forced me to go back and reread the article.)  

Well, that is ok. I went back and re-read the GAO study. Since yougave me something else to read..

In states with significant illegal alien populations, SCAAP data indicate that illegal aliens are
incarcerated at a much higher rate than citizens and lawfully-present aliens – five times more
frequently in some states. 

This is because criminal alien populations are incarcerated largely for immigration issues. Table 9 from the GAO study that the article claimed to be the source of the analysis that provided the figure 33,000 homicides...

512

I know, that data is not SCAAP. Table11 is, and the GAO estimated that there were 93.1% of arrests/transfers were due to immigration issues. So, the criminal acts that these criminal aliens are committing is basically being here. 

Get back to me when you have something better. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.3.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Thomas @3.3.4    yesterday
Get back to me when you have something better. 

Better than what?  The GAO report explains that available data is not complete.  And the GAO explains that its analysis parses and selects subsets of data.  Some states have higher numbers of illegal immigrants than others.  The GAO data is not sufficiently granular to determine if the numbers are being skewed by artifacts of disparities in immigrant population density.  

You know, there are around 1.2 million violent crimes committed each year.  From 2011 to 2016 there were about 6 million violent crimes committed.    None of the tables you've posted align with the violent crime statistics, either.  

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.3.6  Thomas  replied to  Nerm_L @3.3.5    yesterday

The claim of the article was that after reviewing the GAO report, they had concluded :

We can get a sense of the problem's magnitude through a Government Accountability Office study of crimes committed by illegals subsequently incarcerated in federal and local prisons. Analyzing data from 2011 through 2016, the study attributed more than 1 million drug violations, 33,000 homicides, 500,000 assaults, 110,000 auto thefts, and 132,000 sex offenses to illegals. 

This statement is patently false. Period.

When you have something like proof of these claims, that is when you should contact me.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.3.7  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Thomas @3.3.6    yesterday
The claim of the article was that after reviewing the GAO report, they had concluded :
We can get a sense of the problem's magnitude through a Government Accountability Office study of crimes committed by illegals subsequently incarcerated in federal and local prisons. Analyzing data from 2011 through 2016, the study attributed more than 1 million drug violations, 33,000 homicides, 500,000 assaults, 110,000 auto thefts, and 132,000 sex offenses to illegals. 
This statement is patently false. Period.

What is false?  The author clearly indicates the GAO report only provides a sense of the magnitude of the problem.  Does the GAO report provide data on number of violations?  The author is not reporting the number of incarcerations; the numbers are number of violations which is not data provided in the GAO report.  

As I pointed out, the numbers in the GAO report don't come close to the number of reported violent crimes (number of violations).  

So, what is false?  What the author actually wrote?  Or your interpretation of what the author wrote?

 
 

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