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Trump attacks Supreme Court in panicked rant for questioning his tariff powers

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  last year  •  15 comments

By:   Alexander Willis (Raw Story via MSN)

Trump attacks Supreme Court in panicked rant for questioning his tariff powers
 

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What the hell does Trump know about what our Founders had in mind?  Has Trump read any of the Federalist papers?  

Trump has screwed up trade policy the same way he screws up everything else.  By now anyone with any understanding of trade knew that tariffs were needed to address supply chain insecurity and national dependence upon economic adversaries.  Right idea, right solution, implemented in the stupidest way possible. 

Trump screwed up by imposing blanket tariffs on everybody.  That is what makes Trump's tariffs a tax rather than a tool for regulating trade.  Trump only wanted a trade war to create exploitable opportunities for his shyster New York cronies.  Trump has never followed through with any sort of industrial policy.  


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


President Donald Trump erupted Sunday at the Supreme Court as its increasingly skeptical justices weigh in on the president’s authority to impose sweeping tariffs.

“So, let’s get this straight??? The President of the United States is allowed (and fully approved by Congress!) to stop ALL TRADE with a Foreign Country (Which is far more onerous than a Tariff!), and LICENSE a Foreign Country, but is not allowed to put a simple Tariff on a Foreign Country, even for purposes of NATIONAL SECURITY,” Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social. “That is NOT what our great Founders had in mind!”

The Supreme Court first   heard arguments   for and against Trump’s authority to impose tariffs last week, and a majority of the justices   expressed skepticism   at the Trump administration’s position, a skepticism that saw   online betting platforms predict   the court would strike down Trump’s signature trade policy.

Trump has grown increasingly panicked at the possibility of the Supreme Court striking down his tariffs,   warning   that the United States “could be reduced to almost Third World status” should the court rule against him. And on Sunday, that panic appeared to evolve into rage as Trump lashed out at the court online.

“The whole thing is ridiculous! Other Countries can Tariff us, but we can’t Tariff them???” Trump wrote. “It is their DREAM!!! Businesses are pouring into the USA ONLY BECAUSE OF TARIFFS. HAS THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT NOT BEEN TOLD THIS??? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???”

Trump’s argument in defense of the tariffs rests on his administration’s reading of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, a 1977 law that permits the president to impose tariffs in response to emergencies. The emergency, his administration has claimed, is the United States’ trade deficits with other countries. Whether the court will agree with that position is set to be determined in the coming days or weeks.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    last year

Trump has gone full-on TEA Party and now the country is being stuck with the bar tab.  Trump's ranting about SCOTUS won't accomplish one damned thing.  Trump's demented ravings about the Founders of the country while Trump, himself, is tearing down America only proves Trump is another TEA Party liar.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year

 You keep using tea party example incorrectly.  You might as well keep calling him a chartist for all the relevance it has to trumps actual polices. Trump’s trade policy is that of a 1980s dick gephardt democrat.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    last year
Trump’s trade policy is that of a 1980s dick gephardt democrat.

No matter what you leap to Ds.   

Gephardt was never PotUS and thus never had the power to act.   He could not even get his full proposal into law.   Trump is using Gephardt's model (force negotiation for large surplus nations and threaten with tariffs and sanctions), but doing so at an extreme level.   But he does not target tariffs for national security.   And he does not use retaliation as leverage but rather as his opening salvo.   He foolishly poisons the negotiation before it even starts.

Further, no PotUS acted on Gephardt's plan.   Tariffs were done as needed and were properly targeted.

Trump is an idiot.   He tries to bully nations with verbal abuse and threats of tariffs rather than sit down privately with them so that they have a means to negotiate terms and save face.   He imposes ill-conceived, across-the-board tariffs and often at ridiculous levels.   

And remember that it is the US consumers who ultimately eat the tariffs so Trump is forcing higher prices when he was elected in part (by naive people) to reduce prices.

The guy is a buffoon.

Why do you defend this irresponsible asshole?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    last year
You keep using tea party example incorrectly.  You might as well keep calling him a chartist for all the relevance it has to trumps actual polices. Trump’s trade policy is that of a 1980s dick gephardt democrat.

That was what Trump promised but not what Trump has delivered.  Dick Gephardt was a moderate, not a left-wing liberal.  Gephardt founded the Democratic Leadership Council who advocated for policies such as balanced budgets, free trade, tougher-on-crime policies, and welfare reform.  The centrists in the Democratic Party of the 1980s had a strong influence on shaping Bill Clinton's Third Way politics.  

The MAGA movement mixed some moderate centrist Democratic ideas with moderate conservative Republican ideas.  The MAGA movement wasn't about drowning government in Newt Gingrich's bathtub (which became a TEA Party priority).  The MAGA promise was to use government in a common sense manner to benefit the people of the United States and remove foreign constraints and interference.  The MAGA movement was supposed to refocus Republican attention on working Americans instead of financial moguls and wealth.

DOGE is TEA Party, not MAGA.  Stopping the flood of illegal immigrants into the country is MAGA; deporting all immigrants is TEA Party.  Building a ballroom to impress the wealthy, connected, and elite is a TEA Party effort, not MAGA.  The TEA Party only celebrates money, profits, and get-rich-quick scams.  MAGA celebrates America for Americans.  

Dick Gephardt could have had a place in the MAGA movement.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.1    last year
No matter what you leap to Ds. 

I was responding to one of the more inapt historical analogies I've come across. I provided an accurate one. 

Trump is using Gephardt's model (force negotiation for large surplus nations and threaten with tariffs and sanctions), but doing so at an extreme level.

Correct.  That is why I made the comparison.  

Why do you defend this irresponsible asshole?

Pointing out a correct historical comparison is not "defending" Trump or his policies. I'm not a fan of tariffs but the hyperbolic doom and gloom claims were just as wrong as Trump. What's odd is how mad democrats get when it's pointed out many of Trump's policies/beliefs are things they supported before Trump espoused them. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.2    last year
Gephardt founded the Democratic Leadership Council who advocated for policies such as balanced budgets, free trade, tougher-on-crime policies, and welfare reform.

Gephardt was not a free trader. Trump's belief in tariffs to generate federal income is about as anti-tea party as it gets. 

uilding a ballroom to impress the wealthy, connected, and elite is a TEA Party effort, not MAGA.  The TEA Party only celebrates money, profits, and get-rich-quick scams.  MAGA celebrates America for Americans.  

That's simply not serious.  

Dick Gephardt could have had a place in the MAGA movement.

Of course. Most democratic positions of 20 years ago  are now considered MAGA. 1995 Bill Clinton or Joe Biden would be ultra maga. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.1    last year
Gephardt was never PotUS and thus never had the power to act.   He could not even get his full proposal into law.   Trump is using Gephardt's model (force negotiation for large surplus nations and threaten with tariffs and sanctions), but doing so at an extreme level.   But he does not target tariffs for national security.   And he does not use retaliation as leverage but rather as his opening salvo.   He foolishly poisons the negotiation before it even starts.

China was not on the radar.  US trade deficits were caused mostly by energy imports. 

Gephardt advocated for balanced trade and (if I recall correctly) emphasized labor issues in trade policy.  There wasn't a lot of legislation on trade because Presidents had managed trade issues in a sane manner; until Trump came along.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.3    last year
Pointing out a correct historical comparison is not "defending" Trump or his policies.

Yes it is.   Instead of opining on Trump's policies, you gave a 'but what about the Ds?' response.   And it was comparing ideas that were never acted on anywhere near the level that Trump is doing.  

Yet again, we see people like you compare Trump with others akin to comparing a bank robber with a kid shoplifting a candy bar.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.5    last year

Gephardt's focus was on Japan and tied to the fact that Japan was seriously encroaching on the US automobile manufacturing market.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.8  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.4    last year
That's simply not serious.  

The Taxed Enough Already movement was all about cutting taxes and small government.  The TEA Party advocates for cutting defense spending along with cutting welfare spending.  TEA Party advocated for shrinking government so that taxes could be cut.  The TEA Party was never about free trade and promoting globalization.

The TEA Party has always been about private money and wealth.  Private money and wealth destroyed the East Wing and is building a ballroom.  The influence of private money and wealth on government is something the TEA Party would celebrate.

Of course. Most democratic positions of 20 years ago  are now considered MAGA. 1995 Bill Clinton or Joe Biden would be ultra maga. 

Centrist policies from both parties were the promise of MAGA.  Clinton and Biden would not be ultra-MAGA.  But, as we have seen, those Democrats could advocate centrist policies that were consistent with the idea of MAGA.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.9  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.7    last year
Gephardt's focus was on Japan and tied to the fact that Japan was seriously encroaching on the US automobile manufacturing market.

Steel was a major concern.  US steel production was being overwhelmed by an international glut.  Deindustrialization of the Rust Belt was an issue throughout the 1970s and became a crisis in the 1980s.  (A Google search provided a piece of trivia (which I didn't know) that the term "Rust Belt" was coined by Walter Mondale in 1984.)  Labor unions were becoming more militant in their demands for trade protections during 1980s.

And then along came Bill Clinton.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.8    last year

MAGA is a Trojan horse.   It is total bullshit.   Trump talks (lies) about Making America Great Again but that is just a bullshit story to allow him to do whatever pleases him personally.

He is a lying sack-of-shit con-artist and far too many people are still so gullible that they do not recognize this.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.11  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.10    last year
MAGA is a Trojan horse.   It is total bullshit.   Trump talks (lies) about Making America Great Again but that is just a bullshit story to allow him to do whatever pleases him personally.

MAGA is a grassroots movement.  Trump was a protest candidate who purged neoliberal/neocon Republicans from the party.  

He is a lying sack-of-shit con-artist and far too many people are still so gullible that they do not recognize this.

Trump succeeded as a protest candidate precisely because he is a lying sack of shit.  People aren't as gullible as you seem to believe.  

MAGA was a grassroots movement adopted by Trump.  As long as Trump continues to be MAGA then he will have support.  That support is wavering now that Trump has gone TEA Party.  Why are people believing Trump's lies about his support when everyone knows Trump is a lying sack of shit?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.11    last year
MAGA is a grassroots movement. 

MAGA supporters are living in a fantasy.   Their hero is not advancing the cause they believe in.   He is using the cause as a cover to do as he pleases.   And they still have not caught on to his game.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.13  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.12    last year
MAGA supporters are living in a fantasy.   Their hero is not advancing the cause they believe in.   He is using the cause as a cover to do as he pleases.   And they still have not caught on to his game.

Apparently living in a fantasy is true of anyone who believes moderates can regain influence over Congress and government, in general.  

Trump's first term was quite different than the first nine months of Trump's second term.  Democrats created a lot of ill will during Biden's four years and the Republican base does have a hunger for retribution.  But what Trump is doing now goes well beyond retribution.

 
 

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