Fauci crushed for saying it's 'disturbing' that a U.S. court can overrule the CDC
By: Gabriel Hays
Poor guy..................../s
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D r. Anthony Fauci took major heat after lamenting on Thursday that it was "disturbing" that a federal court would rule against the CDC’s COVID-19 travel mask mandate, adding his opinion that "This is not a judicial matter."
Prominent conservative Twitter users crushed Fauci for his "stupidity", with many accusing the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director of thinking he and the CDC "are above the law," and of being "hell bent on using Covid to control people."
Fauci’s irksome comments happened during a Thursday interview with CBS News about U.S. District Court Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle striking down the travel mask mandate on Monday.
During the segment on the streaming show "Red & Blue," CBS anchor Robert Costa asked Fauci, "Do you personally agree or disagree with her interpretation of public health law?"
Fauci responded, "Well, I clearly disagree, I mean those types of things should be decided as a public health issue by the public health organizations, in this case the CDC. This is a public health matter, not a judicial matter."
"So, obviously the CDC will abide by the order of the court because it’s a legal obligation," he continued. "But one of the problems that we have there is that the principle of a court overruling a public health judgment by a qualified organization like the CDC is disturbing in the precedent in might send," Fauci concluded.
Rep. Dan Bishop, R-N.C., responded on Twitter, "What’s ‘disturbing’ is that Fauci and the bureaucrats think they are above the law."
Conservative radio host Mark Davis tweeted, "Stupidity or willful blindness? The #CDC is entitled to whatever opinions it wishes; it does not have right to impose them through law into the interiors of aircraft."
He added, "This is why #JudgeMizelle was right; none of this is about anyone’s view of masks. It’s about the rule of law."
West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey, R-W.V., tweeted, "Fauci may want to take a little time and review the Constitution and the case law. The CDC must follow the law just like any other agency or person."
Morrisey then wrote, "We must fight against the woke-left which appears hell bent on using Covid to control people as long as possible. #NoToFauci."
Conservative podcaster Bryan Dean Wright asserted via Twitter, "The CDC wants power. That’s it. That’s what this is about."
Conservative radio and podcast host Derek Hunter asked, "Does @costareports understand how the law works?" He then wrote, "The decision had nothing to do with efficacy, it had to do with whether or not the CDC had the authority. Chemo exists, the state doesn't have the power to mandate you take it. And that's being generous to the idea that masks work."
Other conservatives responded to a similar Fauci interview with Kasie Hunt Thursday during which he claimed to be "both surprised and disappointed" about the court ending the travel mask mandate this Monday, "Because those types of things really are the purview of the CDC."
Former Intercept journalist Glenn Greenwald tweeted, "This is either very ignorant or very deceitful from Fauci. Of course it's CDC's job, not a judge's, to make public health policy. That wasn't what the judge was doing. She was ruling on the legal limits and scope of CDC's power. And that's the job of a judge to do, not the CDC."
And The Federalist Editor-in-Chief Mollie Hemingway wrote, "Fauci seems to assert that the bureaucracy should not be beholden to the Constitution and rule of law."
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What is truly disturbing is as they say in the article. He, and others, think the CDC is above the Constitution and rule of law. Personally, it is now an individual choice.........and that is fine with me.
Please show me where he says that is what he thinks.
In their minds is where he said that.
Fauci was accurate where this judge has ruled that medical decisions effecting the lives and safety of millions of Americans can only made by politicians, and not actual doctors and scientists.
This judge was a true Trumpian.
Why do you hate the Constitution?
I guess I should stop being surprised what people write here, but defending Fauci's argument that Courts shouldn't have the power of judicial review over federal policy so long as scientists support the policy (or, at least, Fauci does) is not one I expected to see. Attacking our system of three branches of divided government is pretty routine for some on the left these days, I guess.
See #4 below and allow your friend to tag along........................
Let me help........
Get it now?
It would just be sad if it weren't covered by just plain pathetic first. SMH
You are correct. In Fauci and his buddies minds
Why do you? Unless you are saying that the CDC's actions have been fine for decades, until suddenly a democrat is in the Whitehouse.
Republicans have been showing for years that they believe in laws, but that those laws don't pertain to themselves.
I don't. Unlike yourself and Fauci I believe in the separation of powers and the Courts' ability to the review the lawfulness of governmental actions.
"Please show me where he says that is what he thinks."
""But one of the problems that we have there is that the principle of a court overruling a public health judgment by a qualified organization like the CDC is disturbing in the precedent in might send," Fauci concluded."
Snuck in in the middle.
Exactly! That’s how we forced blue mayors and governors to let churches reopen over their very strong objections to the contrary
It does not say
If the CDC were above the Constitution and rule of law, why does he say
He was asked what he thought personally about the decision, not what he thought about the CotUS or the rule of law. The only thing I see here is people taking something said, mischaracterizing it, and throwing up a straw-man argument against what they said he said, purely to make political points with their base. Or, to put a point on it: They are lying.
So, how does someone indicating that they will abide by the rule of law (and therefore, the constitution) make them above the law and Constitution?
Some folks just make shit up as they go along Thomas.
Fascist Fauci truly is a wannabe dictator. Lock him up!
Those who don't mask or vaccinate should be locked up.
Throw away the keys and let them all infect each other.
Come next election there will be far fewer idiotic right wing science deniers.
Fauci has done a great job dealing with the pandemic.
Trump and the far right have seriously dropped the ball.
As usual when dealing with anything scientific.
Isn't that truly moronic? Lock up Dr. Fauci for what???????
Who knew that the right wing had so many Black people?
Across the 38 states for which a total vaccination rate could be calculated by race/ethnicity as of April 4, 2022, 85% of Asian, 65% of Hispanic, and 63%of White people had received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose, higher than the rate for Black people (57%)
Ooops!
Now you will be branded a racist for pointing out facts.
His crimes against humanity!
Was that dog whistle necessary?
Ignorant nonsense.
You must possess FANTASTIC hearing, well beyond what mere mortals can hear!
How do you explain Democrat politicians and others who've been vaccinated/boosted not wearing masks who INFECTED each other? (Examples ... Psaki, Pelosi, Gridiron dinner)
The pandemic of 2020 is OVER. What's left are ever-weakening variants that present, at worst, as a head cold.
That's funny right there. One of the "cures" for Covid in prisons and jails was to let some prisoners go free. If the masks and other "efforts" were worth a damn, why weren't they simply given masks?
The answer to that is simple. The masks never worked, and educated people learned that in 2020. In fact, they actually caused harm, because masked humans inhale their CO2, sneeze into their masks, and constantly touch/readjust their masks with unsanitary hands. I'll not even discuss the cognitive/learning harm masks did to our school-age children, especially to our disabled children.
Fauci and the elites along with blue mayors and governors did in fact use the covid emergency to control people. Sorry fascist Fauci and his cult, we will not yield up to them liberty, freedom, or rights.
More ignorant nonsense.
And .... you are about to get Fauci’d ....... again
Thankfully there is a Fauci to counter anti-science fools.
Yep, he sure does enjoy that boot licking he gets from useful idiots.
It's odd that during this whole thing the Surgeon General has been silent. Every "report" that we've been force fed has come from the very man who lied to Congress about his actions and involvement with the virus. Nothing from the Surgeon General.
And if it's not a judicial matter then why is the DOJ appealing the ruling?
Bingo
Its not bingo. It's bullshit
Surely you can back that up right??? LMMFAO no you can't
Don't recall Fauci lying about anything pandemic related.
The more research done, the more advice changed.
I would have gone for much more stringent measures.
Then examine this list. Either he was wrong or he didn't really know and thus lied. Tell us which it was.
1.) Dr. Fauci says he warned Trump in January that the US was in real trouble but that is not what he said publicly.
In January Dr. Anthony Fauci told Newsmax TV that the United States “ did not have to worry” about the coronavirus and that it was “not a major threat.”
2.) Dr. Fauci warned of an apocalyptic coronavirus pandemic — then just weeks later he compared the coronavirus to a bad flu .
3.) Dr. Fauci based all of his predictions on models the that were OFF BY MILLIONS and then later told reporters, “You can’t really rely on models.”
4.) On March 20th Dr. Fauci jumped in and during a press briefing on hydroxychloroquine treatment for coronavirus “corrected” the president saying, “You got to be careful when you say ‘fairly effective.’ It was never done in a clinical trial… It was given to individuals and felt that maybe it worked.”
Exactly two weeks later hydroxychloroquine was deemed the most highly rated treatment for the novel coronavirus in an international poll of more than 6,000 doctors.
5.) Dr. Fauci pushed these garbage models every step of the way.
A month ago Dr. Fauci claimed 1 million to 2 million Americans would die from coronavirus. Then he said 100,000 to 200,000 Americans will die from the virus. Three weeks ago he agreed 81,766 Americans would die from the coronavirus. Then by that Wednesday Then by that Wednesday the experts cut the number of deaths to 60,415 projected deaths. to 60,415 projected deaths.
6.) On Easter Dr. Fauci suggested President Trump. should have shut down the economy in February… When the number of known cases in the US was around 100. Fauci later walked back his attacks.
7.) Dr. Fauci said cruises were OK on March 9th. That was a huge error.
8.) Dr. Fauci said malls, movies and gyms were OK on February 29th . That was another huge mistake.
9.) Dr. Fauci was wrong about the first coronavirus deaths in the country. Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx and the CDC were off by nearly a month. California officials revealed in April that a patient in Santa Clara died from coronavirus on February 6th not February 29th .
10.) Dr. Fauci and the CDC missed themillions and millions of US citizens who had already contracted the coronavirus before the draconian lockdowns took place. Knowing this could have prevented the economic calamity.
11.) On April 15, 2020 , Fauci endorses Tinder hookups , unbelievably.
12.) Dr. Fauci relied on corrupt W.H.O rules to lock down the United States and destroy the US economy. Meanwhile, this delays the herd immunity that is needed to prevent a future outbreak of this deadly virus.
13.) Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx used the Imperial College Model to persuade President Trump to lock down the entire US economy. The Imperial model has since been confirmed as A COMPLETE FRAUD.
14.) Dr. Fauci warned that Georgia would see a surge in coronavirus cases and deaths by opening their economy too early.
He was wrong again – In fact the opposite happened.
15.) And on Tuesday during testimony Dr. Fauci told Dr. Rand Paul that opening the schools would not be a good ide a
Like Shanghai in China? Is that the types of control you want government to have over people?
Thankfully the US has Fauci rather than some right-wing science denier.
Then you need to pay closer attention to what is actually going on around you instead of what you're told to.
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Dr, Fauci has not lied. That moron Rand Paul is the liar.
Then dispute what post 3.2.1 says, and please show your work (credible links).
When did the CDC become an entity that could implement policy / law / mandate? As far as I knew they could only make recommendations for policy / law / mandates and it was up to law makers to implement or reject.
And we have a second Bingo.
More bullshit
Why do you reject the constitution and the division of powers?
We just reject all brainless far right-wing fascists.
So you your small mind the constitution and the division of powers are brainless far right-wing fascists?
Why do you?
When law 42 cfr 70.x came out 50 years ago. Some of the rules were finalized in 2017 under the Trump admin. Under the law the Director of the Health and Human Services has directed the CDC to carry out and enforce those rules.
Yes, and the CDC exceeded the Congressional delegation of authority and its implementation of the mandate did not follow legally required procedures.
Which has no bearing on my post. I personally don't care one way or the other. The ruling was judge shopped and will be challenged on appeal. We'll see where it goes.
Are you claiming that they went outside of the Director of the Health and Human Services' wishes? Why hasn't he made that announcement then?
No. I'm claiming CDC exceeded the power delegated to it by Congress and did not follow the required procedures in issuing the mandate. .
Fairly simple concept. I guess no one is taking into account who controls Congress...............and therefore why no one challenged it.
Do you think you can get 5 Supreme Court Justice’s to overturn the Florida district judges reasoning and thus her ruling?
That is just more far right wing propaganda that has nothing to do with the truth.
1947, when the CDC first opened.
Nope, the CDC is not part of the Legislative branch and therefore CAN NOT make or pass laws.
If you believe that, then there is a lot about our system of government you do not understand.
The Legislative branch empowers the Executive branch to make regulations all the time. The regulations have the authority of law, can be enforced by agents of the Executive branch, and violators can be prosecuted. That aspect of their authority was not even in dispute in this case.
I understand the system just fine. It appears you do as well but seem confused about it. I’ll highlight the key words in your comment which proves what we both “understand” about it.
The Executive branch CAN NOT pass laws by itself. The Legislative branch can. If you don’t understand that, you don’t understand one of the key concepts this great country was built on. Separation of Powers.
no amount of gaslighting is going to change that reality ....
See my comment @7.
It’s not gaslighting to say that agencies of the executive branch have the authority to make and enforce regulations. That is so basic.
But thanks for basically calling me a liar. It does wonders for your argument.
Your understanding of basic US government is sophomoric at best. Which is not my issue. Not my problem
You know, you said a thing in 4.3.1 that was just wrong. Why don't you just own up to it instead of engaging in personal attacks like accusing me of gaslighting or being sophomoric?
In @4, you asked,
And you have been answered by me and another member. I actually posted a section of the law that gives CDC that authority in @7.
Also, in @4, you said,
You should now understand that this assumption by you was incorrect. Is it really so hard to admit that maybe you don't know every thing?
You’ve got your posters mixed up. Now you have a retraction to make.
Correct. You did not ask the initial question, but you are responsible for all the ignorant replies to the answer.
Lol .... great retraction. Thought you were bigger than this but I guess I was wrong.
And all my comments in this thread were spot on. The only ignorance on display here is yours.
I corrected my mistake. I don’t know what else you think should have happened.
It actually kind of figures that you would still find a way to be argumentative. I guess it also figures that you still won’t take responsibility for your errors. In case you still refuse to look in the mirror, I will demonstrate your dishonest approach.
At @4.3.3, you quoted me and replied, writing,
I never said the Executive branch acted by itself. You even quoted me - and underlined and bolded it - saying that the Legislative branch empowers the Executive, but you still accused me of not understanding the very thing I said. Then you accused me of gaslighting.
So you keep accusing me of not understanding government, but you haven’t demonstrated a single thing I got wrong. Rather, you literally quoted me getting it right.
Then when I acknowledged a mistake I made about who posted a comment, you act like I didn’t acknowledge it with your “thought you were bigger than this” nonsense.
Some people just want to argue about nothing, I guess. We have a term for that. It’s called trolling.
That’s okay, some folks have grace and some don’t.
Yeah, try to make your mistake, my mistake. Classic.
Now you’re just grasping at straws. You weren’t even responding to my comment but you thought you were when you made your baseless accusations against me.
I never said the Executive branch acted by itself so you got that wrong as well. Or course you’re just trying to save face here I guess. No biggie, it was a honest mistake, so stop digging.
You might have a point if you were responding to my comment. But since your comments were intended for a post made by someone else, you have no point. Again, stop digging.
I didn’t claim you did. You heavily implied that that was my position when you said,
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No. I made one comment that referenced someone else’s words. But I also referenced your words, which I have quoted and cited multiple times now. You still refuse to face up to the things you said.
Wrong again but no worries.
You have a nice evening now ya hear.
Swish ..... nothing but net .....
"Top-ranking House Republican Kevin McCarthy insisted he’ll set up a bipartisan committee specifically targeting China if Republicans regain the majority in Congress in the upcoming midterms."
Guess who is likely to be in the middle of that? Our old friend "Flip-Flop' Fauci. He's likely to spend 2 years before committees, right up until a new President named DeSantis fires him!
Republicans in general, and McCarthy specifically always make promises in election years. Promises which they will never intend to keep, or even think twice about.
As opposed to far-right wing fascists, Fauci follows the science and speaks truth.
What did he say about masks?
Hmmm ... depending on the week or month ... no mask, yes paper/cloth mask ... only N95.
What did Fauci say about natural immunity? Until 2022, he wouldn't even entertain the scientific data that supports its existence and strength (but, he did many years ago!).
What did Fauci say about the life-saving efficacy of monoclonal antibodies? NOTHING.
Tony Fauci, the sham "doctor" -- if the mask mandate really was a public health matter, you and Biden would be joined at the hip in closing our southern border to 2+ MILLION unvaccinated illegal aliens from over 150 countries and would acknowledge that over 100,000 Americans (in 2021) died from Chinese/Mexican fentanyl murder because YOU BOTH allowed this lethal drug to enter this country!
The mask mandate is an exercise of power granted to CDC by Congress. The opinion overruling that authority is not a good one.
The CDC’s power to make this regulation derives from a law passed in 1944 called the Public Health Service Act . This law, which has been recently updated, defines all sorts of power and authority for the health officers and agencies of the federal government. The part of this law that was of concern in this case is below. Note the empowerment to make and enforce regulations.
The main word at issue was “sanitation.”
The CDC sees the mask mandate as a sanitation measure to prevent the spread of Covid. Seems straightforward enough. I wouldn’t think that would be particularly controversial, but the judge took it upon herself to define the word according to her own narrow preferences, ignoring what the medical experts had to say about it. She decided “sanitation” could only mean cleaning up something, even though she found a dictionary that said it had broader application. She decided all by herself to toss any definitions related to preventing the spread of disease.
This is deeply stupid. If sanitation couldn’t be meant as useful to “ prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases,” it wouldn’t be in the freakin’ law.
And then there is always the part about “other measures” that “may be necessary” - not in the judgment of a judge, but in the judgement of the Surgeon General.
While this was a tortured, ridiculous reason for disallowing the mandate, I believe it could have easily been overturned by other reasoning. The mandate was ordered by the Biden administration as an emergency. That defies logic because the situation had already existed for a year. Normally, a regulation like this cannot be implemented without public comment. The emergency declaration bypassed that requirement. Holding CDC accountable on the grounds of process would be a far better legal justification than trying to redefine “sanitation.”
I was just reading the ruling and came upon that little gem myself. It sounds like the Monty Python version of determining witches....
It's moronic and for that - masks were deemed optional on public transportation - moronic.
I don't think Fauchi cares what nutters say on Twitter!
Does anyone?
Yes, the author here maintains Fauci was "Crushed".
Shit, Fauci is disturbed! Quick, everyone put on your masks and make sure you watch him as he makes his Sunday TV show rounds. The last thing the world wants is a disturbed Fauci, he might decide to stop gracing us with his gems of wisdom.
Well, at least he didn't suggest shoving lightbulbs up your ass and injecting bleach.
And who did?
Fauci was OK until he started enjoying his 15 minutes of fame too much and his ego made him lose credibility. He is a doctor and should not be dictating policy.
As opposed to the guy you elected who graduated 76th out of 85 in his law school class and lied about it.
Maybe popcorn made him do it ....
Who better? Certainly not ignorant far right-wing fascists who don't even understand elementary school science 101.
Elementary school science 101? How did you confuse a college freshman class with elementary school?
So you didn't attend a grade school or a high school that offered science classes?
How sad.
Thankfully I attended a more enlightened school district.
In grade school our basketball coach also taught us the sciences.
He inspired many of us to 'do the research' (back before computers).
Have earned a few college degrees that I credit to his teaching skills.
He taught us that learning was fun. Thanks coach!
Later learned that advanced knowledge was profitable as well.
It only takes one dedicated teacher to make a huge difference in a life.
The 'coach' called it science 101 back in grade school.
He made every science class after grade school seem easy.
A firm grasp of the basics in grade school was my Sci.101.
Aced all of my college classes due to a solid background in the basics.
P.S. He also taught us how to dribble, pass and shoot with either hand.
I had science classes in both.
Don’t be sad.
Your lucking to have had him help you make it to college.
The great lesson of Dr Fauci is that we should never trust people based solely on credentials.
Some reading material for you.
"Who better? Certainly not ignorant far right-wing fascists who don't even understand elementary school science 101."
Yeah, we need judges and politicians deciding that!
“The great lesson of Dr Fauci is that we should never trust people based solely on credentials.”
While some are content to elect our President with no credentials, no ability, no willingness to address the meaningful issues and no consideration of the inevitable outcome…just build a wall, just contest the outcome, and just drag us down to everyone’s detriment.
Moronic. Why don't you mention the death threats against Dr. Fauci and his family or remark on the moronic comments about locking him up?
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