War is the end of politics: Why the right's weaponization of immigration is homegrown fascism - Alternet.org

  
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War is the end of politics: Why the right's weaponization of immigration is homegrown fascism - Alternet.org
War is the end of politics: Why the right's weaponization of immigration is homegrown fascism

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Contrary to popular belief, politics isn't bad. Politics is how normal people change the world. The Republicans know this. That's why they simplify all politics - using propaganda and lies - to matters of white racial identity . In this way, politics as problem-solving looks like war.

And war is the end of politics.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis illustrated this last week. He dispatched state agents to Texas to reroute migrants to Martha's Vineyard. Critics said that he politicized the immigration issue.

He did the opposite.

He reduced a complexity like immigration policy to a question of "us" (good white people) against "them" (bad nonwhite people). Debate is impossible within that framing. Debate in always impossible inside a "culture of demagoguery." DeSantis disempowered normal people by making it dangerous to act politically without appearing violent.

I want to add another layer. That layer is geographical.

Florida's DeSantis, a Republican governor, exploited - perhaps even criminally extorted - vulnerable migrants for selfish reasons without moral consideration for the injury he might cause them. That's politics as war by other means. It boxes out democratic politics.

From Texas, the migrants were sent to Martha's Vineyard, an island off the coast of Massachusetts. There, the migrants were met with sympathy and democratic politics. Residents scrambled to provide food, clothing, shelter and medicine - politics as problem-solving.

Politics as war, politics as problem-solving, Florida, Massachusetts - you get the idea. Our discourse presumes the dividing line between Americans is solely partisan. Over here are Republicans. Over there are Democrats. But a focus on partisanship overlooks geographical differences, particularly the south's unique historical role in the US.

Where is the highest concentration of politics as war by other means? The south. Where is the highest concentration of politics as problem-solving? The northeast. "American politics is the South's revenge for the Civil War," wrote Garry Wills. The south dominates the nation. If it can't, it goes to war, putting an end to democratic politics. Yet we act as if sectionalism died two centuries ago.

I suspect that sectionalism is major contributor to why most Americans don't recognize the fascism that's powering "polarization." To be sure, most of us imagine fascists as jack-booted goosestepping thugs. If they don't look like that, we think, they can't be fascists.

But fascism is always homegrown. Ours won't look like Italy's. Italy's won't look like Hungary's. And so on. Fascisms may resemble each other, but they aren't copycats. If it seemed imported, it wouldn't work, wrote Sarah Churchwell: "Fascism's ultra-nationalism means that it works by normalizing itself, drawing on familiar national customs to insist it is merely conducting political business as usual."

Fascism isn't nationalist in the way normal people understand that term. The nationalism of Abraham Lincoln, founder of the Republican Party, asked for the willingness of differing regions of the country to put the national interest above their own. This was the consensus perspective throughout the Second World War and the Cold War.

That's not how the fascists see it.

It's "nationalist" as in "the nation" comprises good white people who are by right of blood worthy of inclusion. In the US, that "nation" has been, since the end of the Civil War, a confederacy of the mind and spirit in which God's chosen rule the unworthy by the grace of God. "In America, Negroes do not have to be told what fascism is," poet Langston Hughes told an audience in the 1930s. "We know."

So when fascists talk about "the nation" or claim to be "nationalists" - or when they invoke the name of "the people" or claim that "it's a republic, not a democracy" - they don't mean what they say. What they mean is the south shall reign supreme, the nation be damned.

Sectionalism is the soil from which grows native-born fascism.

Which brings me to one final reason why most Americans don't recognize the fascism that's powering today's "polarization." That reason is that fascism, American style, has been with us since the beginning. It's so normal as to be invisible. It's in the air we breathe.

That's unsettling, but those believing that democratic politics is "the mediation of our differences," as Joe Biden put it, had better accept it. Unless we concede the problem, we can't properly solve it.

To that end, we'd better understand its source.

Like the Republican Party, it's concentrated in the south, where politics is war by other means for the purpose of ruling over the country's unworthy. From there, it radiates across the country, forging alliances in Nebraska and sympathizers in Staten Island.

And it's been this way for a long time.

Indeed, democratic politics has been radicalizing white people, especially in the southern states, since the end of the Civil War, wrote historian Jeremi Suri in his new book, Civil War By Other Means: America's Long and Unfinished Fight for Democracy .

Democratic politics, free to solve the nation's collective problems, was "precisely what offended the white citizens of privilege, who had lost control of Southern politics. A wider, multiracial democracy diminished their power," he said. "They described the transformation of former slaves into voters as the end of the republic ."


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devangelical
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1  seeder  devangelical    4 months ago

Trolling, taunting, spamming, and off topic comments may be removed at the discretion of group mods. NT members that vote up their own comments, repeat comments, or continue to disrupt the conversation risk having all of their comments deleted. Please remember to quote the person(s) to whom you are replying to preserve continuity of this seed. Any use of the phrase "Trump Derangement Syndrome" or the TDS acronym in a comment will be deleted.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2  Trout Giggles    4 months ago

Democracies attempt to solve problems through diplomacy. Authoritarian states solve problems through violence

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    4 months ago

real americans know how to deal with fascists, foreign or domestic...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @2.1    4 months ago

Yes, we do. We vote.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @2.1    4 months ago

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devangelical
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2.1.3  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    4 months ago
We vote.

yeah, that's it.  too bad 40% of the voters are still too stupid to accept the results of last election ...

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    4 months ago

So do conservatives and we will win in Nov too.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.5  seeder  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.4    4 months ago
So do fascists and we will win in Nov too.

(fixed your typo)

no they won't, but just keep on telling yourself that...

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @2.1.5    4 months ago

Well it was not a typo. I am a conservative and I most definitely going to vote as I gave since I was eighteen.

Conservatives are not fascists. That  word most perfectly about half of the Democrats. The other half are socialists and communists. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.7  seeder  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.6    4 months ago

derp

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.4    4 months ago

Dream on there arkie!

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.9  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.8    4 months ago

I really don't know what's worse, not proof reading your own comments for errors, or reading them before posting and then being too fucking stupid to see the errors.

 
 
 
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2.1.10  seeder  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.4    4 months ago
we will win in Nov too

if you even make it to november, it's a good bet that you can thank democrats for any medical benefits you've ever received. hopefully you live in a fascist state that has discontinued any early voting, any voting by mail, and has also reduced the number of polling places available. fuck off

 
 
 
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2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    4 months ago

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devangelical
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2.3.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3    4 months ago

the FBI and DOJ don't persecute republicans. They arrest and prosecute criminals. I can understand how confusing that is for trumpsters.

 
 
 
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2.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.3.1    4 months ago

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devangelical
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2.3.3  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.2    4 months ago
Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the connection with the actions of the FBI and DOJ and the Democrats.

the director of the FBI was appointed by trump. he is a republican, same as the AG. apparently it's you that hasn't been paying very much attention.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.3.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @2.3.3    4 months ago
is a republican, same as the AG

You think Merrick Garland was appointed by Trump?  Lol. 

parently it's you that hasn't been paying very much attention.

Just let that bask in the sun. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.3.5  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3.4    4 months ago

is that what you got out of it? silly me, I keep forgetting how utterly weak conservatives are when it comes to spelling, grammar, and semantics. I'll edit it for you and the following troglodytes that may also misinterpret the meaning. it's wednesday, lots of free grape juice and crackers available down on the corner for self righteous early birds.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.3.3    4 months ago

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devangelical
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2.3.7  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.6    4 months ago

gee, and how silent you were when trump actually used the FBI and DOJ for that purpose.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.3.7    4 months ago
"He was appointed by Trump.  Give him a cookie and throw him a party.  It still doesn't change the fact the FBI and DOJ have become the Democrats version of the Gestapo going after opponents."
Unreal how some folks live in a constant state of projection, deflection, denial and delusion.  
"gee, and how silent you were when trump actually used the FBI and DOJ for that purpose."

Indeed and he had Barr as his consigliere.

 
 
 
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devangelical
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2.3.11  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.10    4 months ago

not from any source that somebody who reneged on their oath to defend the constitution would believe...

 
 
 
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2.3.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.3.11    4 months ago

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2.3.13  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.9    4 months ago

"Unreal how some folks constantly blather on with out backing up a single comment and spam the same garbage day in and day out."

That would be you.

You live in a state of denial, projection, deflection, denial, and delusion.

I prefer to reside in reality.  

 
 
 
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2.3.14  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.12    4 months ago
That's you - one of our resident lip flappers.  

 
 
 
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2.3.17  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @2.3.7    4 months ago

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3  Ender    4 months ago

They bring this up and hark on it like it is the only problem in the states. Bring it up at election time, froth at the mouth, then nothing gets done.

Rinse and repeat. 

 
 
 
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Both...

 
 
 
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3.2  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Ender @3    4 months ago

they don't want to talk about pro-life much now...

 
 
 
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5  Kavika     4 months ago

All of the problems can be traced back to immigrants, it's been this way for centuries /s. Sadly, today we have learned nothing except to hate cuz some don't look ''like us''.....

I'm always amazed that those that use immigration both legal and illegal as a weapon or wedge issue seem to forget that their ancestors were immigrants both legal and illegal coming from shit countries that didn't respect them as people. Sadly they seem to forget that and now instead of trying to solve the problem they have become part of the problem.

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1  Thomas  replied to  Kavika @5    4 months ago

The more things change,  the more they stay the same 

 
 
 
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Jack_TX
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6.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Ronin2 @6    4 months ago
It is costing these states millions of dollars which they will never be compensated for by the federal government. 

That is a scandalous misrepresentation, and I'm appalled.

It's billions of dollars.

 
 
 
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