Liberty University Hit With Record Fines for Failing to Handle Complaints of Sexual Assault, Other Crimes — ProPublica

but what about religious freedom? because there's nothing quite as biblical as non-consensual xtian wacko sex and forced birth...

A bunch of bible humper 'colleges' - there must be so much date rape and outright rape everywhere on these bible humping campuses

$14 million fine, now that will get the attention of those that keep secrets at the cost of young people's safety.

sheesh, it's the main reason thumper's let a biblically inferior gender into a university in the first place. sounds like somebody didn't read their college submission forms before they signed up. school policy is life at conception and no exceptions for abortions. *poof*, in 20+ years, america will be crawling with enough dipshit bible thumpers to rule their new geezusland. /s

I’ve never understood why universities get away with treating sex crimes as something they handle instead of the city police and DA.

Jerry Falwell's Rapey Raper Rape University...

I really don't understand how enrollment here stays up.  I thought the Jerry Falwell, Jr. scandals would have some effect on how many kids want to attend (or how many parents want their kids to attend), but it seems some folks are happy to support his sexual perversions and improper gifting of college property to his friends.

Maybe the thought of Daddy's little girl being raped and told to shut up about it will convince people to expect more from the colleges where they send their kids.  I hope so, but I won't hold my breath.  Liberty seems to be determined to do whatever the hell it wants, and students and parents are fine with that.

There’s a steady supply of brainwashed drones to draw from.

stupidity at the abundant natural resource level...

I really don't understand how enrollment here stays up.

there's probably a wait list for devoted young xtian males to attend in person now...

there's probably a wait list for devoted young xtian males to attend in person now...

More woman than men attend.  They have a 56% acceptance rate and almost as many grad students as undergrads.  I don’t think that there is a waiting list.

Among undergraduate students, 26.4% of females and 6.8% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation. ² rainn

Campus tribunal attempt to deal with this, not our criminal justice system.  Rules of evidence widely differ, tribunals don’t have procedural safeguards as do even civil cases.  The might be no training standards for investigator or adjudicators and they may even be the same individuals.  Lawyers usually aren’t present.  Expulsion is the most serious punishment a tribunal can levy for rape.

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Women who went to school officials to report being raped recalled being threatened with punishment for breaking the university's strict moral code, known as "The Liberty Way."

Yeah, you hussies! Stop wearing pants and make sure your skirts cover your ankles. While you're at it, start wearing veils.

I don't need to label this as sarcasm do I?

I don't need to label this as sarcasm do I?

not in this group. the fucking thumper morons are over in the groups with patriotic names...

As much as I detest Liberty University and their ilk, I detest protecting rapists far more wherever it happens.  Universities have been protecting rapists for decades.  I remember reading an article in Cosmopolitan magazine in the 1990s at how prevalent it was for the rape victims of college athletes to either be silenced or forced out of their schools.  

RAPE should not be treated as a partisan issue.  Does it actually matter if the rapist is a Conservative, a Liberal, a Christian, a Muslim, an atheist, etc.?  Why are our colleges led by men who protect rapists?  As well as the US police force and judicial system in many instances either discourage rape victims from reporting or turn the rapist free?

I am not going to research and share in-depth stats, but I will share a fairly recent article about how our secular Division I colleges are still happily protecting rapists.

Some highlights.

NCAA athletes more likely to be disciplined for sex assault (usatoday.com)

Like the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts of America and USA Gymnastics, universities have concealed evidence that would help reveal the extent of their sexual abuse problems — even though Congress rewrote federal law two decades ago to ensure the public has access to campus disciplinary records. 

“Information related to crimes of violence should not be protected from disclosure if we truly want our college campuses to be safe environments for all students,” said then-U.S. Rep. Bill Goodling, R-Pennsylvania, during floor debate on the law. “If students do not know about violent offenders in their college community, how will they know how to protect themselves?” 

Over the past year, the USA TODAY Network tried to collect these disciplinary records from 226 Division I public schools across the country. But only 35 complied. The rest either claimed state laws protect the names of students who commit rape and sexual assault, demanded exorbitant sums to provide the information, said they weren’t required to release the records or still haven’t processed the requests. 

That’s 191 schools — 85% of the total — that shielded the identities of alleged abusers at the expense of women’s safety and the public’s right to know. 

The low response rate from universities “is a sad commentary on the culture of secrecy and image obsession that permeates higher education,” said Frank LoMonte, a University of Florida professor and expert in federal student privacy laws. 

“People in higher education have come to regard their institutions as a brand and will do anything to protect the brand,” LoMonte said, “even if that means putting people on campus at risk.” 

From the 35 universities that complied with the requests — except the University of Washington, which is still in the process of providing records after nearly eight months — the USA TODAY Network identified 531 students disciplined for sex offenses since January 2014. One of every 12 names on that list belonged to an NCAA athlete, even though their ratio of enrolled students at those same schools during that time was three times fewer — only one in 36. 

In 1998, Congress amended FERPA to codify that the public should have access to information about violent and sexual offenses committed by students. 

I think you're overlooking the irony. a conservative xtian college subverting due process to protect their male students, while compounding the victimization of their female accusers. face the facts, thumpers don't want women involved in higher education.

subverting due process to protect their male students, while compounding the victimization of their female accusers.

I didn't read anything about due process but as a failure to fully comply with reporting requirements under Title IX.

Due process occurs in our court system, not university tribunals.  

thumpers don't want women involved in higher education.

Student gender distribution there is 44% male students and 56% female students. 

I think you're overlooking the irony. a conservative xtian college subverting due process to protect their male students, while compounding the victimization of their female accusers. face the facts, thumpers don't want women involved in higher education.

I think you are ignoring that Liberal, secular colleges are doing the exact same thing.

If the Liberals refuse to put their own house in order, then how are they in position for criticizing anyone else for doing the same thing?

Either set the example or be called out for hypocrisy.

We can claim that Christians shield rapists because of their religion.  What I want to know is - What is the reason that Liberals shield rapists?

NCAA athletes more likely to be disciplined for sex assault (usatoday.com)

But 21 years later, there are only two U.S. states — New Mexico and Wyoming — where every Division I public university complied with the USA TODAY Network’s requests for that exact information. 

The universities that complied span 14 states. Most schools in Ohio, Washington and Georgia complied, but a few schools — including Washington State University and the University of Georgia — refused or set up major cost barriers.  

In a few cases, state laws specifically prevented the disclosure of the information. In North Dakota, for example, Title IX records are designated as exempt from public records laws. 

Many schools claimed releasing the information would constitute an unwarranted invasion of the privacy rights of those involved, even though federal lawmakers said the opposite. Three schools in the State University of New York (SUNY) system, for example, said releasing the names “could endanger the life or safety of the accused, as well as the reporting individual and witnesses.” 

Indiana University said the law did not require it to “make determinations” as to which of its student conduct offenses would be considered violent or sexual. 

And some schools issued astronomical fee estimates to provide the same records that other schools gave for free. The University of Maryland said preparing the records would take nearly 600 hours of staff time and cost more than $22,000 to provide. The University of Oregon said it would charge more than $12,000 and redact the records almost entirely anyway. 

But by far the most common excuse from schools was that, rather than require them to provide the information, FERPA simply permitted them to release it if they so choose. Most chose not to. 

I think you are ignoring that Liberal, secular colleges are doing the exact same thing.

please provide some recent examples and their federal fines.

I think you're correct.

It's not the liberals/progressives who promote rape like these bible humper colleges seem to.

So we'll go with this evidence from 21 years ago.  

I doubt any more recent examples will be forthcoming

please provide some recent examples and their federal fines.

Again, you are refusing to do your own research.  Why?  

The NCAA system is largely set up to ask the athlete if they were ever accused of rape.  It's called the Honor System.  As if rapists ever possessed any.  

For NCAA, athlete sexual assault vetting is 'Don't ask, Don't tell' (usatoday.com)

At many of the nation’s top sports colleges, vetting athletes for past sexual misconduct and violent acts under a new NCAA policy boils down to one step: asking them.

The policy was the national college sports organization’s answer to a series of scandals in which coaches recruited athletes with histories of violence against women, some of whom were later accused of reoffending. Starting with the 2022-23 school year, the rule was intended to keep campuses safer.

But if an athlete answers “no” to a list of questions about criminal convictions and school disciplinary action, officials at many multi-sport powerhouses – the University of Alabama, Louisiana State University, Ohio State University and more – generally take their word for it.

“They absolutely don’t want to know,” said Brenda Tracy, a gang-rape survivor whose nonprofit, Set The Expectation, works to reduce sexual violence in sports by educating athletes and coaches. “It’s ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell.’”

Adopted three years ago by the NCAA’s highest governing body, the policy requires all 1,100 member schools to take “reasonable steps” to confirm whether new and continuing athletes have records of serious misconduct, including sexual assault, dating violence and assault causing serious bodily harm. Athletes must annually disclose any criminal convictions and school disciplinary actions, and schools must have written procedures for obtaining information from athletes’ previous schools.

The NCAA Board of Governors, however, left the details to each school. It declined to centralize the process, issue uniform standards or define “reasonable steps.” The result is a patchwork of protocols full of loopholes and gaps.

A USA TODAY analysis of vetting practices at 51 schools that compete in the NCAA’s “Power 5” conferences – the top echelon of college sports – found more than half rely on the honor system instead of checking records. While two dozen schools, including Michigan State University and the University of Texas at Austin, require each athlete’s previous institutions to sign a form attesting to their discipline history, 27 other schools verify it only if the athlete answers a question “yes.”

no exceptions for rape or incest in their draconian abortion laws means thumpers condone both...

But 'so called' liberals/democrats/progressives are the problem.

Correction, I know you are

And this is the fault of liberals how????????????

I was correct

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Starting with the 2022-23 school year, the rule was intended to keep campuses safer.

what was the rule before the change? under which administration was the rule change initiated? what influence over the previous rule did the trump administration secretary of the DoE, betsy devos have? what was the rule before her involvement as sec. of DoE? what is her past and present relationships with organized religious groups?

You're refusing to do your own research!

what was the rule before the change? under which administration was the rule change initiated? what influence over the previous rule did the trump administration secretary of the DoE, betsy devos have? what was the rule before her involvement as sec. of DoE? what is her past and present relationships with organized religious groups?

The answer might be in the article I linked.  

It isn't.  Why would it be?

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Liberty U repealed their gun ban several years ago. I think its past time we start teaching our daughters and grand daughters to carry.

100% agee, we also need to teach them that there is no such thing as a fair fight, Do as much damage as you humanly can as fast as you can, and once they are down make sure they stay down.

I gave my daughter a .380 semi-auto and a box of hollow points last summer. she's getting her CCP next month. hopefully she inherited my eye/hand coordination with a handgun too.

Good for you

I have a .380. It's a nice gun. Fires easily

my daughter is only 100 lbs. soaking wet. the gun I gave her I can palm, which I found made me want to carry everywhere. I'm more comfortable carrying my 9mm glock now, a light weight cop version.

... but it has no hard safety, and my hunters safety indoctrination from 57 years ago makes me worry about that.

I really don't want to risk grazing a cheek...

I think its past time we start teaching our daughters and grand daughters to carry.

Then you will need to change laws to protect women from needing video, a hundred witnesses, and the best lawyer that money can buy (and maybe a judge that can be bought) to keep them out of prison.

Also, money for re-location, a name change and lifelong therapy to deal with the fallout in local, national, and international media for killing some woman's baby who was the apple of her eye, harmless, misunderstood and loved by his friends, family, community, church and God.

Then you will need to change laws to protect women from needing video, a hundred witnesses, and the best lawyer that money can buy (and maybe a judge that can be bought) to keep them out of prison.

Recent example.  The male murderer sentenced to 10 years, probably out in 5 years.

I watched the video of this man shooting his wife.  I don't know if the all woman jury did, but they had sympathy for the male murderer instead of his female victim.

Jury sentences Carey Birmingham, Spring, TX man, to 10 years for murder of wife Patricia Birmingham after seeing video of shooting - ABC7 Chicago

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas --   An all-women jury, which is rare but can happen, sentenced a Texas man to 10 years in prison for the murder of his wife after being shown a video of the shooting. Now, the couple's daughter is finding the strength to tell her mother's story.

"Alright, goodbye. You're (going to) meet Jesus," Carey Birmingham told his wife, Patricia Birmingham, before he shot her with his gun outside their home in Spring.

In the video, Carey can be heard firing his gun three times.

"I hope it was worth it," he said.

The shooting happened while the couple's daughter, Olivia, was at school.

"I lost both my parents that day. My dad died that day, too, because the person who did that to my mom and my father aren't the same person," Olivia said.

Patricia and Carey had roughly a 30-minute argument leading up to the shooting.

Carey's defense attorney, Anthony Osso, said they pleaded guilty directly to an all-female jury. He said their strategy was to accept responsibility but convince jurors that Carey shot Patricia in the heat of the moment.

"We never tried to justify the actions of our client, but the defense wasn't about justification. It was about why he did what he did," Osso said.

But Olivia said she finds her father's defense questionable at best.

"I don't know, sudden passion? You have to have something. You have to have made that decision within you for a while; I feel like to do something, to do that to someone you really love," Olivia said.

Carey was given a 10-year sentence with the possibility of parole after five years.

Olivia said she spoke to her father in court and provided ABC13 with a summary of her statement:

"No matter what was said in this trial, you know what type of woman she was, and you know what you did and how he took away my favorite person in this world," she said.

Olivia testified that she had never witnessed her father physically abusing her mom, but she wanted to raise awareness that there are different types of abuse she experienced, including emotional and financial. She said that while she still loves her father, she can never forgive him.

Then you will need to change laws to protect women from needing video, a hundred witnesses, and the best lawyer that money can buy (and maybe a judge that can be bought) to keep them out of prison.

What part of current law needs to be changed? Stand your ground is legal in all states and cops can't get rebuttal statements from dead wannabe rapists.

Also, money for re-location, a name change and lifelong therapy to deal with the fallout in local, national, and international media for killing some woman's baby who was the apple of her eye, harmless, misunderstood and loved by his friends, family, community, church and God.

Interesting take. Are you taking the Liberty U side saying women should shut up and take it or else?

Interesting take. Are you taking the Liberty U side saying women should shut up and take it or else?

No.  I am stating that the entire legal system in the US is by and for men and the so-called "Liberals" need to research what is happening throughout the US legal system and make the necessary changed to protect the entire female population from male violence in our schools, in our homes, in our communities and everywhere else we live and play.

huh?

What the huh?  

I am stating that the entire legal system in the US is by and for men and the so-called "Liberals" need to research what is happening...

I'm pretty sure "Liberals" are aware of how biased people are. The whole "Me Too" movement was the start. It will take more than liberals to correct gender bias in humans. 

I'm pretty sure "Liberals" are aware of how biased people are.

Would that include "Liberals" being biased?

It will take more than liberals to correct gender bias in humans. 

Sure.  It will also take addressing the problem without the prejudice of partisanship and making it a political issue instead of the social one that it is. 

Maybe pretending that "liberal" judges and states are just as guilty of incarcerating women who fought back against their rapists and abusers would put the problem in better perspective.

Some states even have lawyers willing to fight draconian laws/mindsets in court - even in "liberal" states.

My goal is to protect all women from the US legal system that incarcerates them instead of protecting them in all 50 states.  The women are treated the same regardless whether the state (or institution) is being labeled Liberal or Conservative.

Women’s Prisons Are Filled With Domestic Violence Survivors. A New Type of Law Could Help Them Get Out. – Mother Jones

Another hurdle: Under New York’s law, the judge who originally heard a case is the one who decides whether to resentence, with full discretion to say no. “Once somebody is labeled as a murderer, prosecutors and judges have no willingness to look at a person and their history,” says Lenz of the group Survived and Punished. “Some judges have embraced reform, but there have been judges who just turned a blind eye,” adds Rosenthal, the New York attorney. One of his clients was recently denied resentencing, even though she had years of psychotherapy records documenting the abuse she suffered, as well as corroborating records from child protective agencies. “If the judge doesn’t understand the dynamics of domestic violence, then the statute is going to fall on deaf ears,” Rosenthal says.

Even with evidence, adds McCarty, “there is still this larger cultural issue of people just not believing women.” At least 18 incarcerated New Yorkers who sought resentencing under the law were rejected because the judge didn’t agree with their case, according to Mogulescu, the attorney and professor at Brooklyn Law School. The prospect of being doubted again in court is enough to deter some survivors from even applying. “Many survivors had such a horrific experience when they were first prosecuted—not believed, torn apart. There’s a real hesitation to put yourself out there, to go back to that same court and seek relief,” she says.

Still, attorneys say, New York’s law is a step in the right direction. “The [resentencing] numbers aren’t as high as people would like them to be, but there are survivors getting released who would not have been released otherwise,” says Pezzell of the National Clearinghouse for the Defense of Battered Women. Reform advocates in Connecticut, Oregon, Washington, and New Jersey are among those who have reached out to New York attorneys for advice about trying to pass similar laws.

In Oklahoma, the attorneys working with Wilkens, the woman serving time for killing her ex-fiance, have found at least one lawmaker who might help them do the same. State Rep.   Toni Hasenbeck, a Republican, has agreed to carry an interim study on the issue of resentencing for domestic violence survivors in the state. If the study goes well, the goal would be to introduce a bill early next year.

Why don't you run for the Senate?

Would that include "Liberals" being biased?

Perhaps you should ask a liberal?

I think its past time we start teaching our daughters and grand daughters to carry.

This is an example of what happens to women who fight back against their abusers in the US.

Woman Abuse Survivors Sent to Prison for Self-Defense | Prison Legal News

Loaded on  JULY 1, 2021   by   Keith Sanders   published in Prison Legal News   July, 2021 , page 34

Filed under:   Domestic Violence . Location:   United States of America .