America Not Ready to Handle China & Russia Threats

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  8 months ago  •  76 comments

By:   Michael Brendan Dougherty (National Review)

America Not Ready to Handle China & Russia Threats
Joe Biden has never met a foreign-policy idea he couldn't screw up. He has a history of trying to write off problems by resorting to the most divisive solution imaginable, the partition of nations. Biden is also shockingly unpopular and widely considered a lame-duck by his own party.

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In Washington, there is a habit of talking about "the liberal world order," as if this is something we protect. The liberal world order isn't NATO or the EU. It's not the WTO, or America's defense relationships with Japan and South Korea. Those are all real things, with relatively legible meanings. The "liberal world order" is said to include all those things but also much more. It apparently includes the integrity of Ukraine's national borders, as Comrade Stalin redrew them in 1954. It includes the relative independence of Taiwan. And occasionally, its defenders say it includes the Paris climate agreement too

Basically, the liberal world order is the geopolitical status quo as a transnational class of political elites would have it. It’s a world where Russia is supposed to stay behind the 700,000 square miles of territory it gave up peacefully after 1991, and it’s supposed to take whatever trading relationships the United States sees fit for it. It’s a world where China is making that international elite much richer than before. Consequently, conflicts with China are minimized by the liberal world order’s institutions, or blamed on foolish “America First” presidents.

The United States under president Joe Biden is expected to defend this liberal world order, to  restore it , or even expand upon it somehow.
I wouldn’t count on it.

The vast Russian military buildup on the border of Ukraine and the provocative military exercises conducted by China near Taiwan show us powers that are at least thinking about testing the boundaries of this liberal world order, at least where the commitments of the United States are ambiguous.

China would prefer that Taiwan come under its control without a major military confrontation. It would prefer the fait accompli it executed on Hong Kong’s relative independence. A hot war over Taiwan would risk one of the island nation’s most important assets, the very reason anyone would want to capture Taiwan: its hammerlock on the semiconductor industry. But just as American policy-makers worry that a failure to stand up for Taiwan could lead to a dramatic domino effect, in which America’s friends in the region would become anxious, lose faith in American support, and as a result align with a Chinese-led Pacific order, so surely do Beijing’s hawks hope that China’s taking Taiwan could deliver them dramatic upsides. These fears and hopes may be illusions, but wars are often stumbled into over dreams and nightmares like these.

Russia’s situation is trickier. It clearly wants to gain greater control over Ukraine without resorting to a dramatic invasion of regular uniformed Russian forces. Military exercises like the ones Russia is now conducting are a long-term feature of Russia’s coercive diplomacy. Already the Ukrainian authorities are begging for more clarity about the commitments of NATO and the United States. They need the clarity if they are to weigh their options. But even if the U.S. commits to more military aid to Ukraine, if it stops short of  Kyiv’s desire for American, British, and Canadian troops on the front lines , Russia may up the stakes by encouraging proxies in the Donbas region to raise some hell and force the issue. Nothing about this is surprising. Russia has always sought to have guaranteed access to the Black Sea, and it prefers some buffer between it and Europe. After decades of watching NATO expand to its borders, Russia could attempt to draw some lines for itself.

Let’s put aside where you ultimately fall on whether America should commit more to Ukraine or to Taiwan’s defense. I tend to view both as ultimately peripheral to our core interests, but dear to heart for our rivals. You may  feel differently .


But what should keep us all up at night is the fact that the United States does not have leaders ready for these challenges. Joe Biden has never met a foreign-policy idea he couldn’t screw up. He has a history of trying to write off problems by resorting to the most divisive solution imaginable, the partition of nations . Biden is also shockingly unpopular and widely considered  a lame-duck by his own party .

Most worrisome of all is that he does not appear to be in great shape; he often looks and sounds every day of his 79 years. He could very well be succeeded by his vice president, Kamala Harris — who is widely believed to be loathed by the staff of the current White House,  as well as by her own staff . She is known for not doing her homework on important questions, for not standing behind her own words, and she could potentially inherit Biden’s staff.

World history is full of satrapies, colonies, and revisionist powers who wait until an abdication crisis, or a leadership vacuum — however temporary — before taking their big gamble. The chance of an epic miscalculation — by us, by our rivals, or by our friends — is growing by the day.



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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    8 months ago

A chance for epic miscalculation?

I'd say the chances of Russia invading the Ukraine and China going after Taiwan in some way before the end of Biden's term are almost 100%.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 months ago
Most worrisome of all is that he does not appear to be in great shape; he often looks and sounds every day of his 79 years. He could very well be succeeded by his vice president, Kamala Harris — who is widely believed to be loathed by the staff of the current White House,  as well as by her own staff . She is known for not doing her homework on important questions, for not standing behind her own words, and she could potentially inherit Biden’s staff.

Or even worse, someone takes Biden out... much like Kennedy was taken out.... and they tried to take Reagan out.... This would leave Ms Harris as the commander in chief....

You think anyone is going to go to war for her?.... Ms Harris in the WH would be the best things that could happen for our enemies...

AS far as Russia and the Ukraine? the leader of the UN has already said if that happens, (and he thinks it is going to happen) the USA (nato) is going to have problems with Germany trying to get nukes into Germany... He doesn't believe Germany will support Nato...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1    8 months ago

Harris is the best possible policy of assassination insurance. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1    8 months ago
Or even worse, someone takes Biden out... much like Kennedy was taken out.... and they tried to take Reagan out.... This would leave Ms Harris as the commander in chief....

That would really change the equation. Biden would become a martyr and democrats wouldn't have to nationalize elections!


You think anyone is going to go to war for her?.... Ms Harris in the WH would be the best things that could happen for our enemies...

No, nor would she defend American interests.   Another win for China!


AS far as Russia and the Ukraine? the leader of the UN has already said if that happens, (and he thinks it is going to happen) the USA (nato) is going to have problems with Germany trying to get nukes into Germany... He doesn't believe Germany will support Nato...

Germany has become the great pacifist nation!

 
 
 
Kathleen
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1.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1    8 months ago
Harris as the commander in chief.

That's a scary thought.....

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @1.1.3    8 months ago

Very scary but what's behind her right now is far, far worse.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 months ago

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Nowhere Man
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1.2.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  devangelical @1.2    8 months ago

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Greg Jones
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1.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  devangelical @1.2    8 months ago

You mean like Biden is doing right now

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.2.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.2    8 months ago

Let me fix this for ya brother... {chuckle}

You mean like Biden is doing right now

You mean like Biden THINKS he is doing now...

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @1.2    8 months ago

You mean BLM and Antifa? Same here.

I am am prepping for the day they darken my doorstep. Seems those domestic terrorists cannot help themselves. They were supposed to quiet down once Biden was in charge./S

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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1.2.6  JaneDoe  replied to  devangelical @1.2    8 months ago
I'm saving my ammo for the domestic terrorists

What type of ammo do you use in your slingshot?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  JaneDoe @1.2.6    8 months ago

He actually owns a gun or two.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.2    8 months ago
try to end run the constitution again.

You mean the one Biden is ignoring?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.5    8 months ago

Hillary promised!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.7    8 months ago

It won't help around here.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.11  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.10    8 months ago

Nerf guns won't help much out there either.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.11    8 months ago

Not in this group!

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.13  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.5    8 months ago
I am am prepping for the day they darken my doorstep

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Hallux
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1.2.14  Hallux  replied to  JaneDoe @1.2.6    8 months ago
What type of ammo do you use in your slingshot?

Likely the same kind that David used to biblical effect.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.15  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1.2.14    8 months ago

wrist rocket with marbles.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2.16  Hallux  replied to  devangelical @1.2.15    8 months ago

A wet paper bag filled with feathers would be just as effective in popping the thin skinned.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.17  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1.2.16    8 months ago

equal in generating noise by those easily offended maybe, but that would never leave a welt.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.18  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @1.2.17    8 months ago

Lol a clear pot/kettle gambit ...... the TDS ridden have skin so thin it's translucent ......

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.19  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.18    8 months ago

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Kathleen
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1.2.20  Kathleen  replied to  JaneDoe @1.2.6    8 months ago

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devangelical
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1.2.21  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.2.17    8 months ago

re: 1.2.19 [& 1.2.20]

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Trout Giggles
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1.2.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.12    8 months ago

You guys act so tough. But I will tell you if I had a choice to follow you or Sparty into battle...I'll choose Sparty any day of the week and twice on Sundays. He really does have actual experience shooting weapons and he has war experience

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.23  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.22    8 months ago

I'd choose Sparty too!  Go Marines!

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.3  Drakkonis  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 months ago
I'd say the chances of Russia invading the Ukraine and China going after Taiwan in some way before the end of Biden's term are almost 100%.

I agree, although I think it will be a lot sooner than later. Like maybe very soon. Russia can only keep those troops there for so long before morale and equipment starts breaking down. I'm surprised we aren't hearing about China massing troops and equipment for Taiwan. If Russia invades there will be no better time for China to go after Taiwan. And I don't think we're prepared. Nor do I think Washington D.C. has the will to do anything effective about it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    8 months ago
I agree, although I think it will be a lot sooner than later. Like maybe very soon. Russia can only keep those troops there for so long before morale and equipment starts breaking down.

US military experts believe that it will be within a few months, when the ground gets nice and hard, the kind of ground that is so good to tanks.


 I'm surprised we aren't hearing about China massing troops and equipment for Taiwan.

I think China will use intimidation and a few carrots first, but obviously they would want it done while Biden is in office.

To take an old line from Winston Churchill  - Biden is sheep in sheep's clothing!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    8 months ago

I just hope that they concentrate on Taiwan primarily. It’s a much more valuable ally and Russia isn’t like to try to take all or even most of Ukraine.  

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.3.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3.2    8 months ago
Russia isn’t like to try to take all or even most of Ukraine.  

Really? They have already taken half the country.... The primary reason for this? Ukraine has applied directly to be a full member of NATO.... To Russia, that puts the enemy at the gates as their excuse.... The Ukraine is probably the most economically developed of all the regions of east Europe...

It's about projecting power.... Without the Ukraine they have a REAL difficult time projecting power over (read intimidating) Europe..

Why do you think that most of Nato has been dragging their feet on Ukranian full entry into Nato, It would be another Turkey as far as the Russians feel...

 
 
 
Kavika
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2  Kavika     8 months ago

Perhaps all you military experts can tell us what the US can/will do in the event that China invades Taiwan and Russia invades Ukraine. A full-out confrontation with either of the countries, would you be willing to go to the front line to defend them, how about sending your kids or grandkids. 

Talk is cheap.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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2.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @2    8 months ago
Talk is cheap.

Yep it certainly is, not too many left from our generation... But then again in this kind of situation there are no military geniuses...

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @2.1    8 months ago
But then again in this kind of situation there are no military geniuses...

 You'll only know of a military genius when there is an actual time for them. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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2.1.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @2.1.1    8 months ago

True as far as conventional war, but the world has never experienced a nuclear war, and in that case what I said is the truth... no level of conventional experience will give one understanding enough to implement that...

If, (and many think it is when not if) Russia moves into the rest of Ukraine the primary response is nuclear, cause simply there is no way to get conventional assets into the area fast enough to prevent it... This is causing the ambivalence in the Ukrainian government, THEY know how far out on a limb they sit...

The hard part of war of any type is identifying the geniuses, it usually take a bit of killing before they come to the fore... You can tell who the good leaders are but the real geniuses don't show up till after there is a great need for them, on that aspect I agree 100%

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.3  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @2.1.2    8 months ago

Who would start a nuclear war, Russia, China, or the US? No matter who starts it, it would be committing instant suicide. 

China does not need to start a nuclear war they will do it economically, one only has to look at the South Pacific, South and Central American, the Eastern Balkans or Africa to see their footprint.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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2.1.4  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @2.1.3    8 months ago

Agreed, MAD is just as valid today as it was in the '60's, the next world war will be a series of small conflicts between small opponents with the domination of the major opponents... It will be a strange conflict, sphere's of influence making for some very strange bedfellows much like Afghanistan and the Syrian civil war... A bunch of little Vietnams all over the world... The idea will be to push a country's economic system to collapse.... We are not the only ones to have had a "Vietnam" experience... Both Russia (as the USSR) and China has as well...

The next WW will be balkanized as far as combat and the major opponents will hammer it out digitally over computers...

There are no geniuses in that type of war...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2.1.3    8 months ago
"the primary response is nuclear"

INSANITY

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2    8 months ago

Ya!  All the bad ass armchair warriors do not impress!

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    8 months ago

meh, the ukraine has nukes. stand back and watch them turn central russia into the planet's biggest glass dance floor while the fallout drifts over china and causes half a billion chinese to glow in the dark.

that or hold war rallies for all the war hawks here, drug them, stuff them into transports, put parachutes on them, drop them into crimea, and let them live out their short merc/militia fantasies somewhere else.

/s

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Kavika @2    8 months ago
Perhaps all you military experts can tell us what the US can/will do in the event that China invades Taiwan and Russia invades Ukraine.

No doubt these Monday morning quarterbacks will pull out their best weapon to fight back against fascism and communism, the conservative meme! Of course most of their weapons will be turned toward our own leadership because they're more interested in undercutting our own government so it fails and their party can regain power than they are in actually solving any global crisis.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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2.3.1  Drakkonis  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.3    8 months ago
Of course most of their weapons will be turned toward our own leadership because they're more interested in undercutting our own government so it fails and their party can regain power than they are in actually solving any global crisis.

Place either Democrats or Republicans for 'their' and the statement is just as true. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
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3  Kathleen    8 months ago

I am not comfortable with a democratic president when it comes to foreign policies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @3    8 months ago

How so dear?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    8 months ago

Because many of them, like Biden, are a clusterfuk

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    8 months ago
How so dear?

Apparently some conservatives feel kneeling to Putin like Trump did is better US foreign policy than to confront him.

" Under President Trump, the United States has abandoned international climate and nuclear arms agreements. It has announced its withdrawal from the World Health Organization, questioned the future of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and antagonized stalwart allies like Germany.

America’s past presidents have long promoted democracy, human rights and the rule of law abroad, yet Trump instead has waged an assault on those values at home, where he has weakened institutions, shredded norms and declared without evidence that the upcoming election will be “rigged.”

These highlights from Trump’s nearly four years in office read like Vladimir Putin’s wish list. Few countries have benefited more geopolitically from Trump’s time in office than Russia."

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.2    8 months ago
Apparently some conservatives feel kneeling to Putin like Trump did is better US foreign policy than to confront him.

C'mon man, you aren't that stupid or TDS ridden are you?   Really?

Do you confront Putin by not asking the tough questions or by supporting his pipeline to Germany?

C'mon man!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.2    8 months ago

nder President Trump, the United States has abandoned international climate and nuclear arms a

Lol.. Who is ignorant enough to fall for this? Do anyone think Putin's foreign policy goal was a climate agreement?  Or his pipeline? 

Stack Trump's record against Putin to " Mr. Reset"

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.4    8 months ago

Not to mention he resisted the Russian pipeline Biden approved

Trump doesn't sound like a very good Russian stooge does he?

Now Biden on the other hand .....

 
 
 
Kathleen
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3.1.6  Kathleen  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.3    8 months ago
C'mon man!

Ha! Funny....

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.3    8 months ago
you aren't that stupid or TDS ridden are you?

I'm neither. I also didn't ignore the clearly obsequious attitude the former President Trump had toward a vile murderous fascist dictator like Putin. Ignoring all the bending over backwards Trump did and praise he had for Putin and focusing solely on a single pipeline to Germany to claim Trump was supposedly "tough" on Russia is truly partisan stupidity. And as for "tough" questions, would that be when he agreed with Russian intelligence over our own US intelligence agencies?

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," - Donald Trump

"As I have always said, long before the Witch Hunt started, getting along with Russia, China, and everyone is a good thing, not a bad thing….” - Donald Trump

“The man (Putin) has very strong control over a country,” "he’s been a leader. Far more than our president has been a leader". - Donald Trump

“Great move on delay (by Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!” - Donald Trump

“But (Putin's) a killer,” Bill O’Reilly 

“There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?” - Donald Trump

“I think our country does plenty of killing also" - Donald Trump

“He’s running his country and at least he’s a leader, unlike what we have in this country,” - Donald Trump

“I do respect Putin." - Donald Trump

I guess you could consider those "tough" comments towards Putin when you consider what he said of Kim Jong Un...

"I believe that chairman Kim has a great and beautiful vision for his country, and only the United States, with me as president, can make that vision come true." - Donald Trump

“(Kim) wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters, We fell in love.” - Donald Trump

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.7    8 months ago
I'm neither.

Debatable, considering your original comment and your following comment that shows only one side of Trump dealings with Putin.

Perhaps you should reconsider .... neither.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.8    8 months ago
Debatable

Only Trumps Deranged Sycophants would ignore his own words and twist reality in order to see him as some sort of hero when it came to foreign policy and believe that he was so tough on Russia that Putin spent millions helping him get elected the first time and continued to support Trump for President in 2020.

" A new report  by the U.S. intelligence community on Tuesday says Russia sought to help former President Donald Trump in last year's presidential election."

Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized "influence operations aimed at denigrating President Biden's candidacy and the Democratic Party, supporting Trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process and exacerbating socio-political divisions in the U.S," says the report by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence."

Yeah, that really sounds like Trump was "tough" on Putin, so tough that Putin was desperate to keep Trump in power. Perhaps he kept the "tough questions" for their pillow talk after Putin removed his ball gag and wanted to spoon...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.9    8 months ago
Only Trumps Deranged Sycophants

How original, can't even make up a new and cogent acronym ....... Trump stops Putins pipeline, Biden gives Putin a hummer and begs him to keep it going.

Nothing more need to be said but that one fact but by all means ......  keep spinning

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.10    8 months ago
Nothing more need to be said but that one fact but by all means ......  keep spinning

"Trump stops Putins pipeline"

Exactly, your one excuse claiming somehow Trump was "tough" on Putin contrary to all other evidence.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.9    8 months ago
nly Trumps Deranged Sycophants would ignore his own words and twist reality

Only broken brained reality deniers would obsess over a few quotes and ignore real world actions.  It's especially insane given their own cheerleading of Putin's catamite who mocked Mitt Romney for even suggesting that Russia was a geopolitical threat.  How quickly the Putin lovers forget.  

It's no surprise Democrats continue to do Putin's work for him,  giving him his most important geo-political goal, the pipeline, while continuing to further his goal of undermining American democracy at home. Merely by spending a pittance on social media and by handing Hillary Clinton  a few preposterous lies, he watched the democrats tear the country apart searching for an imaginary conspiracy

If you ever want to see Putin's greatest success, look in the mirror. . 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1.13  Nowhere Man  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.12    8 months ago
If you ever want to see Putin's greatest success, look in the mirror. . 

The shame of it all is, they won't realize just how much of a tool they have been until their socialist power brokers have complete control and they aren't needed anymore... Then listen to the whining and crying...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.12    8 months ago
If you ever want to see Putin's greatest success, look in the mirror. . 

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Sure, sure. You keep telling yourself whatever lies you need to in order to justify your vote for Trump after four years of Trump sucking Putin's dick. The right wing conservative alternate universe and the fucking fascists tickling your ears must feel awfully nice to earn such blind partisan loyalty.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.11    8 months ago

I could keep going but if that doesn't compute for you, there isn't really any point now is there?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1.13    8 months ago

Useful idiots ....

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.17  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.2    8 months ago

Gee, the Washington Post and CNN. Who would have thunk they would be hard line anti Trump?

So why didn't Russia invade the Ukraine when Trump was in charge then? If no one did more for Russia than Trump? Why the massive troop build up now that Biden is in charge? 

Maybe you can point out what Trump did to aid Russia?

  • Was it increase sanctions against Russia?
  • Was it authorizing Ukraine the sale of US military hardware? Instead of just non killing items like Obama.
  • Was it stopping the Black Sea Pipeline that will allow Russia to pump oil to Europe; and by pass Ukraine, Georgia, and the rest of the former Soviet states so they can't take a cut. The same damn pipeline that Biden lifted all sanctions on.
  • Was if force NATO countries to pay their fair share as far as percentage of income towards maintaining a significant fighting force? Yes Trump pissed NATO off; and they were supposed to be forming their own EU military. Seems that the plans got lost along the way when they found out how damn much it would cost to protect themselves. 
  • Was it putting US ground forces into Syria?
  • When the US withdrew from those nuclear arms agreements it didn't just lift the burden of updating nuclear weapons that were outdated from the Russia; but the US as well. Or do you think our nuclear weapons don't age in terms of technology and shelf life?

Please enlighten us on how Trump aided Russia. If you say it was denying the election results- then you have to blame the Democrats for aiding and abetting Russia for the last 5 and half years and counting for their TDS get Trump at all costs. Democrats still think Russia handed Trump the 2016 election; when not one vote was changed- as per Barack Obama. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1.18  Nowhere Man  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.17    8 months ago

Lets not forget that Stryker expedition from the low countries across Poland to Romania and back... It was Hey! don't forget whom you will be shooting at!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.19  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.14    8 months ago

Is that the Mackenzie brothers?

Take off eh?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
3.1.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.19    8 months ago

Hosers.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.21  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.20    8 months ago

Back bacon and beers

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Expert
3.1.22  Nowhere Man  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.16    8 months ago
Useful idiots ....

Yep with oral sex fetishes as well... they always seem to express themselves as dick sucking and want everyone else to conform...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.23  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.16    8 months ago

That’s exactly what they are!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.24  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.19    8 months ago

As to the front of those shirts, aren’t they the same thing?  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     8 months ago

Germany wants the pipeline from Russia and that is what matters not what the US wants. If Germany objected too the US running a pipeline from Canada to the US we would tell them to piss off.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @6    8 months ago

Many in Germany don’t want it and most all of Western Europe opposes it.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    8 months ago
Many in Germany don’t want it and most all of Western Europe opposes it.  

Many more do want the pipeline. If Western Europe opposes I don't think the Germans give a shit. In fact if they are so opposed to it then they should stop buying oil and natural gas from Russia. Russia supplies over 30% of oil used in WE and over 35% of natural gas.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @6.1.1    8 months ago

Germany stupidly abandoned nuclear power to placate their Greens and then did the same again to phase out coal.  Being dependent upon Russia for gas was their stupid policy.  The left in Germany prefers Russian gas to American LNG because their left prefers Russia to America just like our left does

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1.3  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.2    8 months ago

That's a pretty ignorant comment, XX. 

I see that you have no response to my comment re the WE. Typical of the uninformed.

BTW, Russian natural gas is 30 to 40% cheaper than US LNG. More facts for you.

France produces 70% of its electricity from nuclear power yet they are one of the largest buyers of Russian national gas. More facts for you

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @6.1.3    8 months ago

Germany is stupid for abandoning nuclear power and coal for foreign supplied gas.  Anyone making themselves dependent upon Russia is setting themselves up for being blackmailed by their dictator.  

 
 

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