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American Immigration

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  last year  •  22 comments


American Immigration
“The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society,”

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America traditionally takes in more immigrants than any other place in the world. Many times, taking in more immigrants than the rest of the world took in combined. The US had certain rules that many other countries emulated. 

Immigration works best under the old US conditions which were:

1) That it be diverse and legal. People would come from various places such as various parts of Europe as well as various parts of Asia etc. Those people would go to consulates and fill out applications to be able to enter the US, and it was the US that made the decision on who was eligible to enter.

2) Those coming have certain skills and are willing to learn to speak English. For instance, in 1950 you wouldn't pick up a phone and hear Spanish spoken first or Chinese spoken second. There was only one language, and it was accepted as the norm.

3) There was a background check. You didn't let people in with Tuberculosis of criminal records. Not like what just happened over the past 4 years where people walked into the country and we all woke up one day after Joe Biden left to the reality of another 10 - 20 million people in the country who went completely unvetted.

4) The melting pot: The newcomers understood that they would be integrated into American society and culture. They could bring with them their past traditions etc, but they were not going to be hyphenated Americans, who would be loyal to two countries. Within 3 generations all would be Americanized.

It worked extremely well until 1965 and along came Ted Kennedy, who thought it unfair. His thought was to cease immigration from Europe and extend it to other places. Changing immigration law would be a hard sell, since it was based on those who had come and where they came from. The newcomers wouldn't have to be diverse. All could come over the southern border. They wouldn't need to learn English because the government would supply interpreters. Skills or basic education was unnecessary. Kennedy didn't tell us that right away, his successors took care of it. Kennedy's contribution was simply to get immigration law changed.

The   Immigration  and  Nationality  Act  of  1965 was signed into law was signed into law in October of 1965 by LBJ. It was a significant change in US immigration law. To get it passed Ted Kennedy went before the Senate and promised that the new law wouldn't change the demographics of the US:

“The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society,” Sen. Ted Kennedy stated succinctly. His brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, made the same prediction: “[The bill] would increase the amount of authorized immigration by only a fraction.”

The 1965 Immigration Act: A Little Humility, Please! by Jason Richwine | NAS


In the end Joe Biden would even outdo Kennedy, by simply allowing for massive illegal migration.

Now President Trump is trying to restore legal immigration and remove those who entered illegally. The left through democrat governors, activist judges and a far-left media is trying to obstruct him. One year in and the President has done a reasonably good job. The border is now secure, and criminal aliens are being rounded up but the battle continues.  How did we allow such insanity in the first place?


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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    last year

The illegal migrants get subsidized housing, medical benefits and sanctuary protections.

And anyone who doesn't like it must be "racist." / S

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year
And anyone who doesn't like it must be "racist."

And anyone who believes that about medical benefits is either ignorant or racist.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    last year
And anyone who believes that about medical benefits is either ignorant or racist.

The ones using race are worse than racists.

Here are the facts from our beloved copilot:

"California has become a leader in providing healthcare access to undocumented immigrants through its Medi-Cal program, expanding eligibility to include all undocumented residents regardless of age starting January 1, 2024.

Overview  of  Medi-Cal  for  Undocumented  Immigrants

California's Medi-Cal program, which is the state's version of Medicaid, has undergone significant expansions to include undocumented immigrants. This initiative reflects California's commitment to healthcare as a human right, ensuring that low-income residents, regardless of their immigration status, have access to necessary medical services.

Key  Legislative  Changes

  1. Expansion of Coverage:
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Implications  for  Healthcare  Access

Conclusion

California's  approach  to  healthcare  for  undocumented  immigrants  through  Medi-Cal  represents  a  significant  shift  in  policy  aimed  at  increasing  access  to  essential  health  services.  This  expansion  not  only  addresses  immediate  healthcare  needs  but  also  promotes  overall  community  health  and  well-being,  reflecting  a  broader  commitment  to  inclusivity  and  support  for  all  residents."
 
 
 
Gazoo
Masters Silent
1.1.2  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    last year

Maybe that’s why medi-cal has a budget shortfall of 6.2 BILLION.?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.2    11 months ago

Is that all?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago
And anyone who doesn't like it must be "racist."

Ah the mantra of the left.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2    11 months ago

People no longer care what the lefties call them

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
1.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    11 months ago

Some never cared and saw it for what it was - childish tantrums.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.2    11 months ago

The word racist was once one of the worst things anyone could be called. Now the word has all but lost its meaning.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
1.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    11 months ago

Racist, Misogynist, xenophobic, fascist...there is a long list of idiotic things they call people who don't agree with them.  Most of the time they don't even know the basic definition of the words they are using or they try to change the definition to fit what ever narrative they are trying to push.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.4    11 months ago

We know why they do it. The American people simply will not vote for their agenda.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
1.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.5    11 months ago
their agenda.

The agenda they are CONSTANTLY changing because everything they try fails?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    last year

Mass immigration is incredibly risky in the best situations.  We needed a forty year pause to digest that last wave and that was in a confident society that pushed assimilation. That's the only way it can work. Bringing millions of people into a country into a country that half the natives despise and who control an education system that is premised on dividing people into winners and losers by identity groups and pushes kids into nursing racial grievances and adopting perpetual victimhood is a recipe for disaster. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year

A forty-year pause on all immigration is a must at this point.

Bringing millions of people into a country into a country that half the natives despise and who control an education system that is premised on dividing people into winners and losers by identity groups and pushes kids into nursing racial grievances and adopting perpetual victimhood is a recipe for disaster. 

That has kind of been the prerequisite. Step inside the country and the dems tell them it is a "racist" country, provide them benefits and thus they'll vote for democrats forever more!

 
 
 
Gazoo
Masters Silent
2.1.1  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    last year

Not to mention their effect of the census. More people, more seats at the table. More seats, more control. That’s all dems care about, while the utterly stupid cheer it on.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gazoo @2.1.1    last year

You are absolutely right. Non-citizens should be counted, but they should not be counted in representation.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3  Nerm_L    last year

Teddy and Bobby Kennedy were correct.  The problem is not and never has been the law.  All our problems with immigration can be traced back to inconsistent and inadequate enforcement.  Strengthening laws won't accomplish much if enforcement depends upon the whims of a President. 

If our Presidents refuse to do their jobs in a just and fair manner then maybe it is time to take that authority away.  But that would require fixing a Congress that deliberately refuses to govern for the country.

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
4  freepress    last year

Where was Texas and other border states leading on this issue?

Border state governors didn't care for over 50 years as long as big oil companies, big cattle ranches, and big agriculture could exploit the cheap labor. 

Most of these states vote Republican and you can absolutely rest assured that the governors and state and federal politicians took massive amounts of campaign donations with a wink and a handshake to keep the cheap labor in place.

They knew all along that if it got out of control they could play dumb and use migrant labor as a political football without ever admitting their own culpability in allowing illegal immigrants to flood their states for corporate or private big business interests.

Funny how Republicans fully accepted Ronald Reagan and George Bush embracing immigrants and pathways for illegals.

Nobody seems to care how many immigrants worked for Trump building his construction of hotels, condo towers, golf courses and resorts. 

Trump and crew are NOT going after big business in Texas. While they briefly went after a few minor businesses early on they swiftly let it go and went to LEGAL COURT proceedings for good people trying to immigrate the right way.

Forget all the businesses who daily exploit cheap labor, notice this administration is NOT proposing harsh penalties on businesses or business owners. Try shutting some of them down if you really want to eliminate illegals.

What is actually illegal is the businesses who exploit these workers and get by without challenge or suffering any consequences.

I believe there is a cap on the number of legal immigrants applying each year, go back over the last 50 years and look at those numbers.

It adds up each year, so the hundreds of news stories of innocent decent immigrants who had faulty paperwork living here for 30, 40 years or more being deported is a travesty of justice beyond comprehension.

Why didn't Reagan fix it? Why didn't Bush fix it? Why didn't any border states push to fix it statewide or Nationally?

The Dem bashing won't work on this issue because border states rarely if ever elect a Democrat majority or governor. Ask Republicans why have they not worked on bipartisan solutions in earnest the last 50 years.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  freepress @4    last year

Immigration law is a federal issue. States  have zero power to limit immigration on their own, When border states tried to do anything they got shot down by the Supreme Court.

The Dem bashing won'

why do progressives disown their own  policies? Who believes these absurd denials? Democrats want mass immigration and no enforcement.  Why deny the obvious?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.2  Nerm_L  replied to  freepress @4    last year
The Dem bashing won't work on this issue because border states rarely if ever elect a Democrat majority or governor. Ask Republicans why have they not worked on bipartisan solutions in earnest the last 50 years.

Facts don't fit.  Please, rectify.

800

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
4.3  1stwarrior  replied to  freepress @4    11 months ago

Try again -

https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/form-i-9-resources/handbook-for-employers-m-274/110-unlawful-discrimination-and-penalties-for-prohibited-practices/118-penalties-for-prohibited-practices#:~:text=If%20DHS%20or%20an%20administrative,located%2C%20to%20the%20U.S.%20Treasury.

8 U.S. Code § 1324 addresses the criminal offense of bringing, transporting, or harboring certain unauthorized aliens in the United States.  It prohibits a range of activities, including illegally transporting aliens within the U.S., concealing them, or encouraging their illegal entry or residence.  Penalties include significant fines and imprisonment, which can be up to 10 years for offenses involving commercial advantage or private financial gain, as noted on the  House.gov website .  
Prohibited activities
  • Bringing/Attempting to bring aliens into the U.S.:  
This includes bringing an alien to any place other than a designated port of entry.  
  • Transporting, concealing, or harboring aliens:  
This covers moving, concealing, or shielding an alien from detection within the United States if you know or are in reckless disregard that they have violated immigration laws.
  • Encouraging or inducing illegal entry:  
This makes it a crime to encourage or induce an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States in violation of the law.  
  • Conspiracy:  
This also includes conspiring to commit any of the above acts.  
Penalties
  • Fines and imprisonment:  
    The penalties vary based on the severity of the crime, but can include significant fines and imprisonment.  
  • Aggravating factors:  
    The sentence can be increased by up to 10 years if the offense was part of an ongoing commercial organization or enterprise.  
  • Forfeiture:
  • This can include the forfeiture of gross proceeds, conveyances, and other property involved in the violation.
Hiring individuals who are not authorized to work in the U.S. (often referred to as illegal or unauthorized aliens) is   unlawful   under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) and carries significant  civil and criminal penalties  for employers. 
  • Employer Responsibilities

Under federal law, all U.S. employers are required to:

     Verify the identity and employment authorization of every new non-exempt employee using the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification .

     Examine the required documents provided by the employee and attest that they appear genuine.

     Retain the completed I-9 forms for a specified period.

A n employer has a "good faith" defense against a charge of knowingly hiring an unauthorized alien if they have complied with the I-9 requirements in good faith, unless the government can prove actual knowledge of the employee's unauthorized status.

  • Penalties for Violation s

Employers who violate these laws, such as knowingly hiring unauthorized workers or failing to comply with Form I-9 requirements, may face civil and criminal penalties .

The penalties for knowingly hiring or continuing to employ unauthorized aliens can include civil fines up to $16,000 per worker and criminal penalties, including fines and imprisonment for "pattern or practice" violations. Form I-9 paperwork violations can result in civil fines per employee. Additionally, requiring an employee to pay an indemnity bond also carries civil fines and ordered repayment.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is responsible for enforcing these laws. Programs like ICE's IMAGE program offer resources to help employers comply. Additional details on penalties for violations can be found on the   USCIS website .

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
5  charger 383    11 months ago

We have too many people and too many problems now,  letting more in just makes things worse

 
 

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