Donald Trump Jr., Born With a Silver Spoon in His Ass, Doesn't Like Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness Plan | Vanity Fair

  
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By:   BY BESS LEVIN AUGUST 25, 2022 (Vanity Fair)

Donald Trump Jr., Born With a Silver Spoon in His Ass, Doesn't Like Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness Plan | Vanity Fair
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I paid off my college loans years ago.

I do NOT think of Biden's loan forgiveness is a slap in my face.

I know that Donald Trump Jr., like his father is a stinking piece of fecal matter.

The turd doesn't fall far from the asshole. 


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DONALD TRUMP JR., BORN WITH A SILVER SPOON IN HIS ASS, DOESN’T LIKE BIDEN’S STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS PLAN



Junior more than likely had his tuition to the University of Pennsylvania paid in full by his billionaire dad, allowing him to focus on more pressing issues like earning the nickname "Diaper Don."

By Bess Levin

August 25, 2022 ORLANDO, FLORIDA, UNITED STATES - 2020/10/11: Donald Trump Jr speaks during a rain shower to an audience wearing ponchos at a Fighters Against Socialism campaign rally in support of his father, U.S. President Donald Trump. UFC fighter Jorge Masvidal also spoke at the event. (Photo by Paul Hennessy/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images)SOPA Images/Getty Images

As you've no doubt heard by now, on Wednesday, Joe Bidenannounced that the government will forgive up to $20,000 in federal student loans for Americans making under $125,000 a year individually, or $250,000 a year as a married couple. While the move is projected to overwhelmingly benefit the middle class—the White House estimates that almost 90% of the relief will go toward people earning less than $75,000 annually—Republican lawmakers reacted to the news as though Biden had declared that starting Friday, members of his Secret Service detail will be going house-to-house to shoot blue-collar workers in the face. Also having a meltdown about the whole thing? Donald Trump Jr., who we're guessing has never had to live under the weight of crushing educational debt on account of the whole born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-ass business.

"Canceling student debt is a tax on the most responsible people in the country," Junior, whose tuition to the University of Pennsylvania was presumably footed in full by his father, tweeted on Wednesday. (At Penn, my colleague Emily Jane Foxreported in her book, Born Trump, the ex-president's namesake was nicknamed "Diaper Don," on account of the frequency with which he would get drunk and wake up in strangers' beds "covered in piss.") He similarly suggested that the loan forgiveness plan is "nurturing incompetence and irresponsible behavior while penalizing hard work and fiscal responsibility," asking, "How long can this continue before we collapse as a society and a nation?" (As Don is presumably unaware, many countries actually allow their citizens to go to college for free and are somehow doing just fine.) Responding to Congresswoman Cori Bush's statement about the startling disparity between the debt held by Black borrowers versus white ones, the ex-president's eldest son sneered that Biden's loan program "discriminate[s]" against "Those that saved their money, skipped cool toys/trips and already paid their debts" and "those that went to work rather than getting a $300K gender studies degree." (For those of you keeping up at home, the "gender studies" line is a popular one among the MAGA crowd.)

Of course, Junior himself did not have to worry about the cost of college because he was born into generational wealth, at least some of which was allegedly accrued through outright fraud. Nor has he ever had to worry about money in general, given that he's worked for the company owned by his father since he was in his early 20s and, as of 2019, was reportedly worth an estimated $25 million.

Speaking of Donny's dad, before he became president, Trump the elder was probably best known for basically never paying his debts, with his businesses filing for bankruptcy a whopping six times. And not only did he habitually not pay back his loans, he was deeply proud of it. After TheNew York Times revealed that the real estate developer had $287 million in debt forgiven by lenders—after he went into default—Trump tweeted that getting out of paying what he owed made him a "smart guy." Which begs the question, is Trump, in little Donny's mind, an irresponsible deadbeat? Or is it simply that it's okay for the very wealthy catch a break, but the middle class, not so much?

Welcome to the GOP in 2022, where it's considered normal for a candidate to refuse to concede and then write, of the guy who beat her, "His health is drastically failing, he is demented, looks ill, he can barely speak, he wears a life alert, and I am willing to bet he doesn't survive before his current term is over"

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al Jizzerror
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1  seeder  al Jizzerror    5 months ago

512

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @1    5 months ago

junior will be the first of trump's defective spawn to spiral into the ground after his daddy takes a powder.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.1    5 months ago
after his daddy takes a powder.

How old are you?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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1.1.2  cobaltblue  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.1    5 months ago
How old are you?

Jesus. And how long have you been a member? You could be an NT member for a fuckin' hour and see that dev is a brilliant master of observation with a sarcastic bent. A genius. Leave him alone. He's mine.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cobaltblue @1.1.2    5 months ago
And how long have you been a member?

Around a year Blue.

You could be an NT member for a fuckin' hour and see that dev is a brilliant master of observation with a sarcastic bent

No one can miss his brilliance.  

Leave him alone. 

Leave him alone, I was going to congratulate him for living as long as my dad as that expression dates back to the 20"s.

He's mine.

He lucky to have you in his May - December relationship. 

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
2  Revillug    5 months ago

There are quite a few Democrats who don't like the loan forgiveness plan either.

They really need to look into is the way student debt is one of the only forms of debt that can't be discharged in bankruptcy.

That fact coupled with the high interest rates these loans charge and the way the interest is capitalized back into the loan principle resulting in people with debt balances that grow over time makes the whole thing an outrage. NPR had people calling in who owed 10k on graduation and many years after that owe tens of thousands of dollars even while never missing a payment.

Throwing money at the problem while retaining the problem is a bad idea.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3  Split Personality    5 months ago

Sorry we missed this one AJ.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4  cobaltblue    5 months ago

How'd I miss this?? The outrage over student loan forgiveness bores the fuck outta me given the hypocrisy of it all.

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However ...  coked up Donnie never ceases to amuse me! Wonder if he was high while giving his mother that lovely eulogy about her emasculation expertise and a great backhand with a spoon. It was a lovely day for a stroll to her gravesite at the first hole. 

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al Jizzerror
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4.1  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @4    5 months ago

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pat wilson
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4.2  pat wilson  replied to  cobaltblue @4    5 months ago

There's no depths to which this family won't dive. Burying Ivana on the golf course (near the first hole) to avoid various municipal taxes, unbelievable.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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4.2.1  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  pat wilson @4.2    5 months ago

Hmmm...  If Ivana is the first hole, maybe when The Donald croaks, they will bury him near the 18th hole.  They can call it "the asshole".   

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.2.2  pat wilson  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.1    5 months ago

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Tessylo
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4.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  pat wilson @4.2    5 months ago

I wonder what documents might be there with Ivana also?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  pat wilson @4.2    5 months ago

They really buried her on a golf course????

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4.2.5  cobaltblue  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    5 months ago
They really buried her on a golf course????

Yessirree!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @4.2.5    5 months ago

DID she even play golf?

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     5 months ago

Perhaps Kimberly gave out lap dances to pay off Jr's loans.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2  cobaltblue  replied to  Kavika @5    5 months ago
Kimberly gave out lap dances to pay off Jr's loans.

I think the game plan is to have his daddy grift all his supporters to pay his debts. Kimb the Bimb pays donnie's drug dealers.

Btw, love the avatar! Gave me my first hard laugh of the day!

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.2.1  Kavika   replied to  cobaltblue @5.2    5 months ago

Fluffy cows are dangerous.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.2.2  devangelical  replied to  cobaltblue @5.2    5 months ago
Kimb the Bimb pays donnie's drug dealers.

...ewww...

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Kavika @5.2.1    5 months ago
Fluffy cows are dangerous.

Cliff Clavin on Beer  and  Buffalo:

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Kavika
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5.2.4  Kavika   replied to  cobaltblue @5.2.3    5 months ago

This is the reason you don't pet or harass the Fluffy Cows.

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Kavika
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5.2.5  Kavika   replied to  cobaltblue @5.2.3    5 months ago

Classic Cliff.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.6  cobaltblue  replied to  Kavika @5.2.4    5 months ago
This is the reason you don't pet or harass the Fluffy Cows.

Whoa! That's as bad as waking up my big sister when I was a kid. My brother and I would fight over who would wake her. My brother's infinite wisdom was used to fashion tying long thin branches together to poke her with from a safe distance away. 

I miss you when I get busy with real life, Kavika. I forget how much until we interact. jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.2.7  Kavika   replied to  cobaltblue @5.2.6    5 months ago

Big sister must have been a bear to wake up. 

I miss you when I get busy with real life, Kavika. I forget how much until we interact,

Likewise, sister. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.3  MrFrost  replied to  Kavika @5    5 months ago

Perhaps Kimberly gave out lap dances to pay off Jr's loans.

Gross... 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.3.1  cobaltblue  replied to  MrFrost @5.3    5 months ago
Gross...

I know dev said ewww, but your "gross" made me laugh hard for some reason, Mr. Frost! 

You know, my Daddy used to say that money can't buy couth or class. Kim and don jr. epitomizes that for me. They're both disgusting.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6  Trout Giggles    5 months ago

This is irony:

the ex-president's eldest son sneered that Biden's loan program "discriminate[s]" against "Those that saved their money, skipped cool toys/trips and already paid their debts" and "those that went to work rather than getting a $300K gender studies degree."

How many cool toys and trips did he have when he was in school? Some of us paid back our loans and didn't have cool toys or get to take great trips until that loan was paid off.

Kiss my ass, Diaper Donny

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Trout Giggles @6    5 months ago
Kiss my ass, Diaper Donny

Such a fuckin' weird family. Daddy lusts publicly (several times) for his daughter, then his coked up oldest tweets a embarrassingly ridiculous pic of his old man's "redacted" dick. Wonder if the NV Old Biddies' Committee were as outraged at that family's innuendo as they were with ours. Hell, our innuendo even warranted an entire article about it. Damn, that ended up being such a fun article and we had contributed the most comments that particular author ever received.

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devangelical
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6.1.1  devangelical  replied to  cobaltblue @6.1    5 months ago
that ended up being such a fun article and we had contributed the most comments that particular author ever received

did you make a copy of that article? TG and I were trying to remember how many comments it ended up with. my guess was over 1200. we both agreed that you would know...

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.1.2  cobaltblue  replied to  devangelical @6.1.1    5 months ago
that article?

No dammit. TG figured out how to get it back after the biddies locked it, and we rolled with it for quite a long time til we began insinuating about their shortcummings (wink wink nudge nudge). I believe your guess is right regarding comment numbers. Some of the funniest, most clever, most ingenious and witty comments came out of that article. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.3  devangelical  replied to  cobaltblue @6.1.2    5 months ago

I totally wore out the "does your dog like peanut butter" joke on the dumb ass seeder.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @6.1    5 months ago

Wait a minute...is somebody suggesting that trmp has a schlong that long?

Excuse me for a second....I'm at work and they don't like people laughing too loud

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.5  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.4    5 months ago

Well, he is a big dick...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @6.1.5    5 months ago

that doesn't mean he actually has one

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8  cobaltblue    5 months ago
Donald Trump Jr., like his father is a stinking piece of fecal matter.

His father should be charged with at least five counts of involuntary manslaughter because of his election lie. At least. He falls within the parameters.

"[I]nvoluntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant recklessly or negligently commits an act that results in the death of another person. Recklessness usually means that the defendant was aware of the risk that they were creating, while negligence usually means that the defendant was not aware of the risk but reasonably should have been aware of it. The level of negligence required for involuntary manslaughter is higher than normal civil negligence and requires that the defendant have acted in a very unreasonable manner. The exact language used to describe this negligence standard varies by state, but many refer to it as “criminal negligence” or “gross negligence.”

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I can only hope trump's fecal matter is at the end of several other convicts' dicks when he's convicted. He's been feeding his supporters a ration of shit for forever. Lives of his supporters have been ruined by his stolen election lie. Trump is now aligning himself publicly with QAnon. And I'm curious as to which January 6 insurrectionists he's financially supporting. Yet the morally bankrupt POS hasn't reached out to those who lost their lives during and because of the insurrection. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8    5 months ago
r should be charged with at least five counts of involuntary manslaughter because of his election lie. At leas

The only homicide the occurred on Jan 6th was the unarmed woman shot by police.  So Biden's DOJ needs to indict the cop first and we can go from there. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1    5 months ago
Jan 6th was the unarmed woman shot by police

She wouldn't have been there but for his lie. If you watched the footage, she was no innocent. No one should have died because of his lie. No one should be in jail because of his lie. He's abused the patriotism of his supporters because of his lie. He realizes their low intellect and abused their misplaced loyalty. He's taken their money based on a lie. 

I loved Obama. I loved Bill Clinton. But if they would have done one one-thousandth of the criminal shit that trump has done, I would have been appalled. i would want them out of office. trump could have walked away gracefully and had some legacy left. His ego wouldn't allow it. He's a traitor and you know it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.1    5 months ago

So that's some theory. Though the shooting was justified, she was murdered by Donald Trump because he lied.

So you would agree Biden and others should be charged with murder for the people Rittenhouse shot. And everyone who parroted the "hands up don't shoot" lie should be charged because that lie was used to justify violent crimes as well.  Lots of media and democrats  going to  jail. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1    5 months ago
The only homicide the occurred on Jan 6th was the unarmed woman shot by police.

So if someone breaks into your house, don't shoot them. Got it, good talk. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.4  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.2    5 months ago
Donald Trump because he lied

Rittenhouse is a loser that has nothing to do with trump's stolen election lie. The events of January 6 prompted deaths and arrests over several months. Some deaths by suicide. The QAnon nut that killed his wife, his daughter and his dog believed in trump's lie. A second daughter lived. 

“[N]obody could talk him out of them,” Rebecca said, adding, “It’s really so shocking, but it really can happen to anybody. Right-wing extremism is not funny, and people need to watch their relatives, and if they have guns, they need to hide them or report them or something because this is out of control.”

Rebecca also shared her story on the   QAnon Casualties subreddit . She said that, as her father became more engrossed by these conspiracies, he told his family he wanted to keep them “safe and healthy.” Though Rebecca said her father “verbally snapped” at the family a few times, it didn’t become physically violent until an early morning fight with Tina that preceded the shooting. 

“I’m shocked and I don’t even know what to say,” Rebecca wrote. “Fuck you, Qanon. I hope the FBI tightens its grip on you and that your lackies rot in prison (and hell) for poisoning so many people.”

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And this from the Guy Reffitt daughter:

One of the daughters of a   Capitol Hill   rioter sentenced to more than seven years by a federal judge on Monday has said the sentencing was “unfair” and that it is   Donald Trump   who “deserves life in prison”. Guy Reffitt, who brought a gun to the Capitol riot on 6 January last year and threatened Nancy Pelosi, was handed   one of the longest sentences   that any of the insurrectionists have received so far.

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There are tons of stories like these. Your ex-president has ruined lives. For a LIE. He knows his supporters are stupid. He counts on  it. Those idiots on January 6 fashioned a gallows with noose screaming for Pence. They shit on the floor of the Capitol. Because trump lied. If not for the lie, none of these misguided morons would have been at the Capitol.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.5  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.2    5 months ago
And everyone who parroted the "hands up don't shoot" lie should be charged because that lie was used to justify violent crimes as well.  Lots of media and democrats  going to  jail. 

Are you pretending not to realize the distinction? trump incited an insurrection. Nice try at deflection that might have worked on a elementary school playground.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.3    5 months ago
reaks into your house, don't shoot them. Got it, good talk.

Get that strawman!

Or do you not know what homicide means?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.7  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.6    5 months ago
that strawman!

Oh okay, smoke and mirrors. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
8.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.4    5 months ago
Rittenhouse is a loser that has nothing to do with trump's stolen election lie

Good thing I didn't claim he did! But the people who he shot believed lies about what happened in Kenosha.  Arrest everyone who claimed the police shot an unarmed man. 

ome deaths by suicide.

I don't think you understand our criminal law system. 

nd this from the Guy Reffitt daughter:

So what? Do you think the family  of a criminals get to decide who's a criminal? You want the family's of all the 1/6 defendants to have the right to punish those they blame for the riot?  What a disaster that would be. 

Your ex-president has ruined lives. For a LIE

But it's okay when peoples lives are ruined or ended over "hands up don't shoot" and other lies, though?  That's some standard. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.7    5 months ago
Oh okay, smoke and mirrors. 

Yes, it's sad he had to resort to that. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.10  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.8    5 months ago
"hands up don't shoot" and other lies, though?

The January 6 insurrection ruined lives based on a stolen election lie. Have you been authoring trump's motions and pleadings? He can't seem to find competent lawyers, and the ones he's been using are far below par. Sanctions may be imposed because the legal arguments are disjointed, convoluted and illogical. Kinda like your weak attempt here. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.11  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.9    5 months ago
Yes, it's sad he had to resort to that. 

See? You have trouble connecting. You're nothing but smoke and mirrors and your inability to grasp that only solidifies my opinion.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
8.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.10    5 months ago

The January 6 insurrection ruined lives based on a stolen election lie

So what? Lies are lies. If you think people should be charged with murder if someone believes their lie, then that standard should apply to everyone. 

Democrats have lied about elections being stolen for decades.  We should probably arrest them too, since their lies about stolen elections contributed to the atmosphere that made people believe Trump's lies. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.11    5 months ago

You're nothing but smoke and mirrors and your inability to grasp that only solidifies my opinion.

Lol. I can't help if if someone doesn't know what homicide means and makes an ass of themselves over it.  It ain't me with the "inability to grasp", believe me. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.14  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.13    5 months ago
doesn't know what homicide means and makes an ass of themselves over it.

Oh jeez. How will I go on? Someone who serves scrambled eggs as opinion, gibberish as perceived facts thinks I'm making an ass out of myself. You're not an intellectual, you're a poser. There's not a person here who gives an iota of a shit what you think. Nice try though. Either you cannot make the correlation or you need to add to your smoke machine. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.2    5 months ago
So you would agree Biden and others should be charged with murder for the people Rittenhouse shot.

Why? Biden was a candidate who said something AFTER the Kenosha shootings by Rittenhouse, Trump was the POTUS.

Lots of media and democrats  going to  jail. 

Only in your dreams.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.8    5 months ago

Did Rittenhouse commit murder ? Probably not.  Was he so irresponsible that he put other people in danger?  Absolutely. There is no way a 17 year old should have been parading around those streets strapped to an AR-15 rifle, looking for trouble. He's not law enforcement and the cops didnt ask for his help. 

 
 
 
Revillug
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8.1.17  Revillug  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.10    5 months ago
The January 6 insurrection ruined lives based on a stolen election lie.

The grain of truth right wingers could be grumpy about is how during the pandemic some rules regarding absentee voting and early voting were changed. The courts weighed in and said this or that specific was ok or not ok. Reasonable parties can disagree on details but we are a nation of laws and the courts are our referees.

The crazies, however,  are convinced fake ballots were printed in bulk in China on bamboo papyrus  and robosigned by Antifa. FFS.

I'm still kind of sore about the Florida recount in 2000 and Nixon had a point about Chicago in 1960. We win some and we lose some but we get on with the messy process of being a democratic republic.

Or we don't.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.15    5 months ago
Biden was a candidate who said something AFTER the Kenosha shootings by Rittenhouse, Trump was the POTUS.

that's gonna leave a mark....

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.15    5 months ago
candidate who said something AFTER the Kenosha shootings

Wrong. Get your facts correct first. 

ump was the POTUS.

so what? Why would that matter? 

Only in your dreams.

Lol. Are you not following what's happening here? We have a proposal to turn our entire legal system upside down and charge people with murder for telling a lie and I've pointed out the repercussions of such an insane policy, if it was actually enforced. I would hope even the most partisan of democrats hasn't drank enough kool aid to believe the Democrats have never told lies relating to the violence of the last few years.  Try and keep up.

But of course, this is  really just about "orange man bad" so he must be guilty of murder. That's the level of thought behind believing Trump's guilty of murder because people committed suicide at some point. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.16    5 months ago

I think he did commit murder.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.21  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.19    5 months ago
We have a proposal to turn our entire legal system upside down and charge people with murder for telling a lie

If a bungee jumping company continued to do business and told their customers it was safe after they had been warned by an inspection of their gear that some of the kits were frayed and not safe for use, and a customer dies, shouldn't they be held responsible for that death?

If some angry father tells all his friends and neighbors that a certain man in the neighborhood had abducted and raped his daughter and the friends and neighbors gathered at the accused's house, dragged him out in the street and beat him to death, then later found out that the father had lied because he had some bitter conflict with the man, do you think the law should hold him accountable as well as those who beat the man to death?

If a city or government inspector responsible for the water systems in a city lied about the high level of lead they had found and continued to claim the water was safe to drink and then later there are birth defects and deaths linked to the high levels of lead, should that official be held responsible in court for his lies?

§1112. Manslaughter

(a) Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. It is of two kinds:

1. Voluntary-Upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion.

2. Involuntary-In the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to a felony, or in the commission in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection, of a lawful act which might produce death .

18 USC 1112: Manslaughter (house.gov)

It may be "lawful" to lie, but if the lie "produces death" then they could be charged with manslaughter.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.21    5 months ago

I suppose a more apropos example would be:

If some angry father tells all his friends and neighbors that a certain man in the neighborhood had abducted and raped his underage daughter and the friends and neighbors gathered at the accused's house, broke down his door in an effort to drag him out in the street, and the man shoots and kills one of the mob breaking into his house, and then later it's found out that the father had lied because he had some bitter conflict with the man, do you think the law should hold the liar accountable for the death? Or should the innocent man defending himself and his home be held responsible?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.19    5 months ago
Lol. Are you not following what's happening here?

Yes I thought she was pretty clear.  Maybe its just my CB translator ring?

We have a proposal to turn our entire legal system upside down and charge people with murder for telling a lie and I've pointed out the repercussions of such an insane policy, if it was actually enforced.

Don't be ridiculous again.  She is clearly espousing a case of negligent homicide,

like shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre resulting in trampling deaths.  Try to keep up.

I would hope even the most partisan of democrats hasn't drank enough kool aid to believe the Democrats have never told lies relating to the violence of the last few years. 

I would hope you used a good enough computer to correct your grammar, but I can see you have bigger issues to tackle.

Ciao

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.23    5 months ago

Cobalt uses too many big words

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.25  Split Personality  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.24    5 months ago

Too many decades at law firms will do that to you.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.26  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.19    5 months ago
We have a proposal to turn our entire legal system

Bullshit.

Under District of Columbia law, manslaughter occurs when a person recklessly causes an unintentional death. Under the federal Assimilative Crimes Act, state (or D.C.) law can be charged federally when it occurs on federal property.

For manslaughter, it's not necessary to show that the defendant intended the deaths to occur. That’s what makes it different from murder.

As president, Trump has a duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. His failure to call up the National Guard or even to call off the mob could be described as "causing" the five unintentional deaths at the Capitol.

The Ann Arbor resident gives unsolicited advice, in effect, for Atty. Gen. Merrick Garland's staff:

To prove Trump acted recklessly, prosecutors would need to show he was aware of a risk and chose to ignore it. Here, he knew the crowd was armed and angry. And he could see on TV that they were engaging in violence. The death of an officer or member of the mob was a very real risk.

Of course, he himself was the one who set this risk in motion by summoning the mob and then lighting the fuse with his Ellipse speech urging them to march to the Capitol, but that conduct raises some sticky First Amendment concerns. His inaction in stopping the violence does not.

Former White House counsel Pat Cipollone said they would have blood on their hands if they didn’t act to call off the mob. And yet Trump watched the violence for three hours.

While maintaining that "a strong case can be made that Trump committed five counts of manslaughter ... by recklessly causing the unintended deaths of others," McQuade adds that he still should face "wider charges of attacking our democracy by engaging in a conspiracy to defraud the United States, obstruct an official proceeding or commit sedition."

Cite

Educate yourself instead of fawning over a traitor. You're willing to undermine your own credibility by trying to pass off your unconnected and far removed comments as tenable. Ooops. Your ignorance is showing.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.27  cobaltblue  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.26    5 months ago

Educate yourself, Sean. Three fucking hours is a long time watch chaos and fear [I'm looking at you, Josh Hawley] without taking action.

But First Amendment concerns about political speech could create sticky legal issues. So instead, prosecutors could focus   on acts of criminal omission.

Unlike most members of the public who have no duty to take action to prevent a crime, a president has a constitutional duty to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” The president also serves as commander in chief of the armed forces. On Jan. 6, when Trump was alerted that the situation at the Capitol was getting “out of control,” he had a duty to call in the National Guard to quell the violence. According to Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, Trump did not do so. Nor did he call any other government agency to intervene.  [Emphasis added.]

On Tuesday, we heard testimony from Cipollone that Trump could have gone to the press briefing room and made a statement on camera asking the mob to disperse, and that Trump refused. Trump also had a direct communication channel in the form of Twitter, but instead of posting a tweet asking the crowd to go home, Trump rekindled the flames by tweeting that Pence lacked the “courage” to toss out the election results. It was not until the 187th minute of the riot that Trump put out a video-recorded statement asking the mob to go home. I believe his three hours of inaction could amount to an omission necessary to prove that first element of manslaughter.

Cite

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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8.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.26    5 months ago
Ooops. Your ignorance is showing.

for some, it has been and continues to be, the rule.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.27    5 months ago

LOl.,,Now you've conceded I'm correct and  your own hand picked link admits that he can't be guilty of , and I  quote " involuntary manslaughter because of his election lie"  and have shifted your claim to now argue that he's guilty because of a failure to act.

Educate yourself, Sean.

I was correct. You've admitted it.  The proper thing to say is thank you. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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8.1.30  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.24    5 months ago
Cobalt uses too many big words

Cat-O-Nine-Tails is not a big word for a dominatrix.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.31  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.26    5 months ago
ullshit.

Okay. Cite one case where someone speaking a lie in public was charged with involuntary manslaughter because someone killed themselves at some point in the future. Or, better yet cite a case that someone not present could be charged with involuntary manslaughter in a justifiable homicide because of a lie.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.32  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.29    5 months ago

Apples/oranges. The premise remains the same. People died because he perpetuated a lie. Died. Dead. Because of a lie. 

You're welcome. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.33  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.31    5 months ago
with involuntary manslaughter in a justifiable homicide

Oxymoron.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.34  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.31    5 months ago
Okay

Didn't think I'd need to reiterate, but I will because you're "special":

Unlike most members of the public who have no duty to take action to prevent a crime, a president has a constitutional duty to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” The president also serves as commander in chief of the armed forces. On Jan. 6, when Trump was alerted that the situation at the Capitol was getting “out of control,” he had a duty to call in the National Guard to quell the violence. According to Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, Trump did not do so. Nor did he call any other government agency to intervene.  [Emphasis added.] On Tuesday, we heard testimony from Cipollone that Trump could have gone to the press briefing room and made a statement on camera asking the mob to disperse, and that Trump refused. Trump also had a direct communication channel in the form of Twitter, but instead of posting a tweet asking the crowd to go home, Trump rekindled the flames by tweeting that Pence lacked the “courage” to toss out the election results. It was not until the 187th minute of the riot that Trump put out a video-recorded statement asking the mob to go home. I believe his three hours of inaction could amount to an omission necessary to prove that first element of manslaughter.

I'm speaking about no one other than trump. Are you sure you've not been authoring the recent gibberish filled motions filed on behalf of trump?? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.35  cobaltblue  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.33    5 months ago
moron

being the operative word.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.36  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.31    5 months ago
Cite one case where someone speaking a lie in public was charged with involuntary manslaughter because someone killed themselves at some point in the future

Still moving the goalposts?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.37  cobaltblue  replied to  Hallux @8.1.30    5 months ago
not a big word for a dominatrix.

Is that a ball gag?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.38  cobaltblue  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.36    5 months ago
Still moving the goalposts?

It's fuckin' hilarious! 

Let's go back to my original statement that people's lives have been irreparably harmed (by jail time, injury [physical and psychological] and even death) because trump has and continues to perpetuate a stolen election lie. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.39  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.36    5 months ago

Still moving the goalposts?

Buddy, if you are going to jump in, you've got to pay attention. I shouldn'nt have to keep going back and explain this.

She made the claim Trump was guilty of manslaughter because people committed suicides. Asking hers to support it is not "moving the goalposts".

Me mess up the grammar enough for you? Give you some work to smart feel? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.40  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.34    5 months ago
't think I'd need to reiterate, but I will because you're "special":

Lol. You switched your theory from he's guilty because he lied to he's guilty because he didn't act and you think "the premise remains the same."  

Are you familiar with how our criminal system works at all?

Your own expert already admitted I was correct. How long do you want to drag this out? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.41  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.33    5 months ago
Oxymoron.

Pay attention. She claimed Trump could charged with involuntary manslaughter for what was ruled a justifiable homicide (the killing of the unarmed girl).

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.42  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.23    5 months ago
es I thought she was pretty cle

Good lord. You are blundering along on so many different levels. 

First, pay attention. You are responding to my rebuttal of your ignorant claim that I want democrats in jail. Basic comprehension skill should inform you that I'm the one arguing against anyone going to jail for lying.

uting "Fire" in a crowded theatre resulting in trampling deaths.  Try to keep up

Here's a helpful hint. There is whole subculture of people on the internet who mock people who ignorantly cite the" fire in a crowded theater" line  as if it's some binding legal  maxim. It's dicta from one of the worst first amendment cases in our history that was overruled. You look like an ass when you cite it. 

omputer to correct your grammar, but I can see you have bigger issues to tackl

good idea. Stick to complaining about grammar. That's a good speed for you. 

Ciao

Do you not know what that means? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.43  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.40    5 months ago
How long do you want to drag this out?

Sorry bud. You're ridiculously hanging on to the caboose of the bullshit train. You're playing by yourself and judging by the number and rapidity of your ill-inforrmed  replies, you're terribly insecure. You're willing to let us all know you hate admitting you're wrong or don't understand the subject. Smoke and mirrors, buddy. Smoke and mirrors. No one cares what you think. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.44  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.43    5 months ago
wrong or don't understand the subject.

You claim there's no difference between being criminally  liable for a failure to act and for supposed illegal speech and you think I don't understand the subject? Lol.

I'm trying to dumb it down enough for you to understand. I guess I failed. 

Although I'm fascinated by the posters who will hand pick an expert that contradicts them and yet still persist in claiming they were correct. It's a special breed of person who does that. Maybe you should try and diagnose that personality type rather worry about mine. 

and rapidity of your ill-inforrmed  replies

Its easy enough to respond rapidly when someone is arguing 2+2=5.  

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.45  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.44    5 months ago

LOL! 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.46  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.42    5 months ago
Do you not know what that means?

"Fuck off little boy internet attorney wannabe" in Italian?

Entertaining to read your little meltdown... good grief.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.47  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.46    5 months ago

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cobaltblue
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8.1.48  cobaltblue  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.46    5 months ago
internet attorney wannabe

He could represent trump. Has all necessary shortcomings as the rest of trump's current subpar (and that's being kind) legal representatives. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.49  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.47    5 months ago
  feel powerful somehow, right?

LOL!!!! Project much?? Go home, kid. You're bothering me. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.50  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.47    5 months ago

Dude, step away from the car and stop trying to clean my windshield,

I am fresh out of change...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.51  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.50    5 months ago

I get it. The two of you got embarrassed and now need to make it about me. 

Post after post seems a little desperate, but if that's what you need....

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.52  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.51    5 months ago
Post after post seems a little desperate, but if that's what you need..

Dude, you seriously have projection problems. I've had to put a Glade plug-in in here because you fuckin' REEK of abject desperation. You're envious of SP and it shows.

Can you pull the door closed when you let yourself out? Thanks, buddy.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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8.1.53  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.46    5 months ago

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al Jizzerror
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8.1.54  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.48    5 months ago

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al Jizzerror
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8.1.55  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.51    5 months ago
now need to make it about me. 

This seed is NOT about you.

This is seed is about forgiving student loans and Don Jr.'s reaction to it.

Butt, you just want to attack those who post their anti-Trump sentiments.

You must be a "TDS" (Trump Dick Sucker).

I recommend that you brush your teeth and use some powerful mouthwash.

Maybe you can get that rancid mushroom flavor out of your mouth.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.56  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @8.1.52    5 months ago

I get why you need to resort to personal attacks,  but the ongoing  obsession with me is a little overboard.  How many posts is that now? 

But if that's what it take to distract from  embarrassing yourself, feel free.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.57  Sean Treacy  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.1.55    5 months ago

his seed is NOT about you

Yet you are making it about me even though I've never responded to you before this.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.58  cobaltblue  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.56    5 months ago
embarrassing yourself,

yawwwwwwwn ...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.1.59  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.6    5 months ago

Or do you not know what homicide means?

She was breaking into a federal building, Sean. Asking her and her ilk was clearly not working. She fucked around and she found out. She was a criminal, there is no way around that, call it what you will but she got what she deserved. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.1.60  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.41    5 months ago
She claimed Trump could charged with involuntary manslaughter for what was ruled a justifiable homicide (the killing of the unarmed girl).

She's right, too. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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8.1.61  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.57    5 months ago
I've never responded to you before this.

I posted this seed.

This is seed is about forgiving student loans and Don Jr.'s reaction to it.

It is NOT about you.

You seem to be a narcissist like your fearful leader.

Maybe you should ask the wizard for a brain.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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9  Gsquared    5 months ago

Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about what Uday Trump thinks?  Or is he Qusay?  It's hard to remember which is which.

800

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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9.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Gsquared @9    5 months ago
  It's hard to remember which is which

If blindfolded, I would be able to tell the difference because of donnie's coke fueled loud rhetoric. But if I just read their comments, I'd be stumped because they're equally ridiculously ignorant and out-of-touch.

 
 
 
Kavika
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9.2  Kavika   replied to  Gsquared @9    5 months ago

Dumb and Dumber

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Kavika @9.2    5 months ago

Dumb and Dumber

You're the optimist of the group.. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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10  seeder  al Jizzerror    5 months ago

The activity on this seed is strange.  I posted this a few days before I went on vacation.  At that point there were only two comments (and one of them was mine).

When I got back, I was surprised to see a bunch of new comments.

 
 

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