Ron DeSantis Declared War on Mexico at Debate
DeSantis said he would send US armed forces into Mexico on “DAY ONE” of his administration
Ron DeSantis Declared War on Mexico at Debate
After pretending to be a Navy SEAL in Iraq early in the debate, Ron “Combat” DeSantis said he would send US armed forces into Mexico on “DAY ONE” of his administration to deal with the Mexican cartels.
It is illegal to use the US military as law enforcement personnel and, of course, the US has no jurisdiction to make arrests in Mexico.
Some of the other Republicans on the stage advocated using diplomacy (with both China and Mexico) to deal with the fentanyl problem. DeSantis was the only one who advocated an invasion of Mexico. He also said anyone who crosses our border would end up “stone cold dead.” Is it me, or does that seem to be a slightly aggressive immigration policy?
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In 2004, during his second year at Harvard Law, DeSantis was commissioned as an officer in the U.S. Navy and assigned to the Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps (JAG). He completed Naval Justice School in 2005. Later that year, he reported to the JAG Trial Service Office Command South East at Naval Station Mayport , Florida, as a prosecutor . He was promoted from lieutenant, junior grade to lieutenant in 2006.
In the spring of 2006, DeSantis arrived at Joint Task Force Guantanamo (JTF-GTMO), working directly with detainees at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp . [32] [33] [34] [35] The records of his service in the Navy were often redacted upon release to the public, to protect personal privacy, according to the Navy. [36] Mansur Ahmad Saad al-Dayfi , who was held at Guantanamo, alleged in 2022 that DeSantis oversaw force-feeding detainees. [37] [38] [39] [40] [35]
In 2007, DeSantis reported to the Naval Special Warfare Command Group in Coronado, California , where he was assigned as a legal adviser to SEAL Team One ; he deployed to Iraq in the fall of 2007 as part of the 2007 troop surge . [41] [42] He served as legal adviser to Dane Thorleifson, the SEAL Commander of the Special Operations Task Force-West in Fallujah . [32] [33] [34]
DeSantis returned to the U.S. in April 2008, reassigned to the Naval Region Southeast Legal Service. The U.S. attorney general appointed him to serve as a special assistant U.S. attorney at the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Middle District of Florida . [41] DeSantis was assigned as a trial defense counsel until his honorable discharge from active duty in February 2010. He concurrently accepted a reserve commission as a lieutenant in the Judge Advocate General's Corps of the U.S. Navy Reserve . [43]
During his military career, DeSantis was awarded the Bronze Star Medal , the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal , the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal , and the Iraq Campaign Medal . [32] [33] [34] He was still serving in the U.S. Navy Reserve as of his transition to the governorship. [1] His U.S. Navy service ended on February 12, 2019, a month after his gubernatorial inauguration, with the rank of lieutenant commander . [1] [2]
Thanx for your service, Ron, butt you were NOT a fucking Seal.
Please show where he claimed to be a Navy Seal?
There is a huge difference in saying that he "assisted" Navy Seals (which he did) and being one.
As for using the US Military in Mexico- what do you call extra judicial killings by the US military in Pakistan, Libya, and throughout the ME? The US has forces across the world- many serving in countries that don't even want them such as Iraq and Syria. Some on this site were even calling for the US to invade Saudi Arabia to take control of their oil when the Saudi Royal Family wouldn't kiss Brandon's ring and increase oil production.
Negotiate with China/Mexico to stop sending illegal drugs to the US that are killing people. China doesn't give a fuck about us- they just want our money. The Cartels run Mexico- they care even less about us. We are just the cash cow for their drug, gun, coyote, and sex slave trade. Negotiate- what a fucking joke.
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What did he get a Bronze Star for?
For meritorious service. There are two Bronze Star awards one for meritorious service (I did a good job) and the Bronze Star for Valor in combat which is different in that it has a V for Valor on the award.
I didn't think one got a Bronze Star just for meritorious service. There is a medal for that one already. Unless the Navy is different from the Air Force
didn't tom cotton also get a bronze star for doing paperwork?
Probably
All I ever got was an achievement medal with one device
I hope that device was a rifle or pistol...
No...I wasn't a combat troop. It was an oak leaf cluster (?) because I had 2 of them
you should've been...
Cotton was deployed to Baghdad in 2006 as a infantry platoon leader with the 101st Air Mobile Division. There he led an infantry platoon on daily combat patrols. Two year later, he deployed to Afghanistan. He served with the Train Advise Assist Command – East at its Gamberi forward operating base as an operations officer planning counter-insurgency and reconstruction operations.
maybe he suffered a life threatening paper cut defending army desks and filing cabinets...
I don't think that he ever received a Purple Heart.
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he was probably awarded a purple helmet from a dadt private in the latrine...
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as probably awarded a purple helmet from a dadt private in the latrine.
Not like Joe Biden, who will tell a group of purple heart veterans he understands their sacrifice because he was awarded 5 purple hearts and a Medal of Honor while personally capturing Hitler to defeat the Russians in WWII.
but, but, but whatabout..
All I ever got was an achievement medal
Thank you for your service, Trout.
I want to thank Tom Cotton for his service.
Not like Joe Biden, who will tell a group of purple heart veterans he understands their sacrifice because he was awarded 5 purple hearts and a Medal of Honor while personally capturing Hitler to defeat the Russians in WWII.
See comment #1.1.1
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Where did you serve?
1.2.9 & 1.2.13
OK.....and?
Didn't answer my question
Where did you serve bugsy?
Very easy to answer.
20 years active Navy. Retired E7.
Ships included USS Midway, USS Independence, USS John F Kennedy, battleship New Jersey and Destroyer Connelly. Also 2 shore duty units in Long Beach and Jacksonville.
Any other questions?
I don't see Bugsy disparaging veterans, do you?
It is an expectation for leftists to disparage veterans.
Most still believe they are baby killers, dontcha know?
because of the oath taken to defend the constitution, veterans that continued to support trump based upon his actions after the 2020 election and on 1/6/21 have voluntarily disassociated themselves from their branches of service, their past service records, and any honor or respect deservedly given to those that stayed true to that oath. the established boundary is crystal clear.
So you never served, you could have just said that.
my recruiter tried to pull a fast one. I caught him and walked out without inking the deal. I figure that probably turned out better than ending up at leavenworth for fragging any 90 day nixonites.
I don't disparage vets nor do I think that they are baby killers and have been called a progressive/liberal/democrat many times on NT so both your assumptions are wrong.
20 years of Naval service with 5 rows of ribbons/medals and a Navy Achievement medal. That included operational WESTPAC deployments on two ships , one A-6E Intruder squadron at Whidbey Island, WA, a four year tour with "Operation Deep Freeze" going to Antarctica six months out of the year, Fleet Marine Force qualified Corpsman with MCCRTG-10 at MCAS Yuma, and four years at the US Naval Hospital at MCB Camp Pendleton, CA. I am also a member in good standing of the Royal Order of Shellbacks for crossing the equator on board ship. I can hohestly say I've been around the block a time or two.
20 years active Navy. Retired E7.
Thank you for your service, bugsy.
I served on the USS Independence, too (VF-102).
I don't see Bugsy disparaging veterans, do you?
I didn't say bugsy disparaged anyone.
Where did you serve, George?
Nobody said you did. Sorry Army. Beyond that it isn’t any bodies business.
As determined by who? You?...
the US constitution. 14th amendment section 3.
OK......and?
Still did not answer my question.
Yea.....right....
Well, I did say most, so, unless you are part of most................
Such good times cross in the equator.
Probably still have a few permanent marks I can't see.
Thank you, al...right back atcha.
I can't remember the squadrons that deployed with us since I was ship's company, however, I was on her from 93-96 in Yokosuka.
Second best duty station only behind the Midway when she was also in Yokosuka.
If I could afford Japan, I would probably still be there.
try telling that to someone who ACTUALLY served.
Your comment:
That states that it is expected for leftists to disparage veterans...
Most mean the majority and that is pure speculation on your part.
Your comment 1.2.42
Since I did two combat tours in Nam, do you think I'm a baby killer, bugsy?
"enemies both foreign and domestic"
During Nam the enemies of the troops were domestic arms billionaires.
Joined the SDS to help shine a light on those anti-American traitors.
A news crew filmed me on campus once burning my draft card.
(It was actually an expired Philadelphia drivers license)
Still have my draft card from way back in the day. It says 1H.
The "police action" was winding down at that point. they ran out of body-bags.
Do you have names?
Honesty in protest or civil disobedience is so over rated.
Thank you for your service, Kavika.
So all these years later do you know what you were fighting for?
Except, of course, for the guy fighting next to you?
Kavika was in 'Nam.
I was on the USS Independence (and at Naval Air Stations in the US).
The only fighting I did was in the ring or on a mat.
When I came back to the world from Southeast Asia in the early 70's, I remember going through LAX wearing my cracker jack dress blues and having some long haired punk trying to kick me and spit on me and calling me a warmongering baby killer. It made no difference that I had a Navy Hospital Corps cadeus on my uniform sleeve. Heck of a welcome home.
Too many people operate on emotion and trust in talking heads rather than critical thinking. Your long haired punk asshole was one of those.
nicely done.
That kind of shit pisses me off.
I understand being "anti-war" butt when people attacked the returning soldiers, it illustrated how ignorant they were.
The soldiers were victims of the war.
The policy makers in Washington were responsible.
Politicians (from both parties) used propaganda to coerce people to support the war.
They also drafted soldiers and forced them to fight.
I guess I'm younger than you guys. Like I said, my draft card said 1H.
Earned my first black belt at 16 and my fighting was also in the ring.
Worked as a bouncer for years and now have PTSD.
I had nobody to back me up and couldn't back down.
Took some beatings and had to pull the pistol a time or two.
Here I am at 68 and still alive. Whood a thunk it?
Spent most of my life as a bassist in rock and roll bands.
Don't even get me started about my 10 years as a paramedic.
And then there were those fruitless years as an EPA investigator.
All I do these days is lay on the sofa and borrow DVDs from the library.
A highly modified AR-15 is my best friend (next to a few online friends).
Have been suffering from long covid for the last 3 years with no end in sight.
"Smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo, don't tell me I've nothing to do".
But I at least have Mahomes and the Chiefs to look forward to tomorrow.
Thankfully nobody will ever read this pathetic rant.
On my first return to ''The World'' there wasn't much protesting the second time was different, Nam was front page news and full swing no one spit at me but there were plenty of protestors. Unless you were in Nam and experienced that hell hole and lived through it and the turmoil in the US caused by it you are simply reading history, experiencing it live is a whole different animal, and that animal lives with you for the rest of your life and can devourer you in a heartbeat.
Currently, my neighbor and friend who was in the same unit that I was in, 2/327th GIR 101st Airborne (No Slack) was released from Moffett Cancer Center in Tampa, the result of Agent Orange. He has undergone surgery, chemo, and now proton radiation. Part of his jaw has been replaced because of Nam. That is what some of us have to live with and of course the dreams or a sound/smell/sight that will trigger a memory.
There are a few NT members that I'm aware of that know exactly what I'm talking about. Doc and 1stwarrior. There may be others and I apologize if I missed you in my rant.
Last week we lost an NT member to Agent Orange, Marine24. Semper Fi, Marine.
So all the political BS re who served, who didn't and the accusations regarding such is nothing but BS and my comment to that and them is ''FUCK YOU''.
WILCO. Assumed that it was common knowledge among the informed commenters here.
Why would I think that?
I myself was still a baby at the beginning of Nam.
So you were a baby at the beginning of Nam, yet you made this comment that is directly related to Vietnam.
So either you were a child prodigy or you were blowing smoke.
Either way my question only required a yes or no response, which seems to have escaped you.
And thank you for yours
Impressive record, Ed. Thank you for your service
And he has never claimed to be one.
It sounds like you support the cartels and their continuing quest to kill Americans with fentanyl and other drugs, in addition to all their other crimes. What has Biden ever done to stop it?
goodbye junkies and rich white kids with more money than sense...
Exactly, in 2020 only 17% of the fentanyl deaths were Black and only 12% were Hispanic.
If the US were not the major buyers of drugs we would not be experiencing the deaths resulting from using illegal drugs. Simple process of supply and demand, time we looked at ourselves and tried to figure out why in the hell we are so determined to kill ourselves with illegal drugs.
What has Biden ever done to stop it?
What did Trump do to stop it?
I guess that makes it Ok to smuggle in highly deadly drugs into the country./s For you it is obviously our problem.
don jr and kim try to help out as much as they can...
In reality it is our problem, we are the users and if we didn't have such an appitate for drugs the problem we have today would not exist.
I never said in any form that it was OK to smuggle in highly deadly drugs, that is you making shit up. If you want to discuss the problem then get reality based before calliing for a war with Mexico.
And as long as we have the problem if it isn't gangs from Mexico it will be gangs from somewhere else. If the demand remains the supply will just come from a different location.
I am looking at reality. Right now the majority of drugs are being smuggled in from the cartels in Mexico. The Mexican government is doing squat to stop it and may even be complicit. If they won't do anything about it we need to. When it starts coming in thru another source we need to do what it takes to stop that also. As far as I am concerned the amount of illegal immigration allowed by Mexico may also be justification to invade.
First off the Cartels operate in almost every country in North/Central/South America with the exception of Panama and Nicaragua. If you blow up their operation in Mexico then you have to go to El Salvador, and Guatemala, Peru, and Ecuador are both controlled by the cartels and Argentina is another haven for them.
Good luck with that.
Which one of the countries you named have a border with the US and is much easier to smuggle drugs into the country.
Actually, the cartels being multi-national have drugs coming into the US from most of Central and south America, Hondarus and Ecuador are huge suppliers of drugs to the US and neither borders the US. Do not be under the mistaken view that most drugs originate in Mexico and come into the US over the southern border. Some research will tell you that it can be shipped from South America to Africa then to Europe and on a container ship to the US. The routes are many so striking the cartels in Mexico will not stop the flow of drugs into the US.
Many of the Caribbean countries are a haven for drugs coming into the US via the maritime route.
I've always been happy with a little ganga. See no need for more.
Could it be that the CIA made it so attractive back in the day?
The hawks were playing dominoes instead of chess.
He never claimed to be a SEAL, but you and I both know it is possible to be assigned to the special warfare community in a ancillary support capacity and not be a special warfare fighter. As a JAG officer that is what he did.
looks like he's still a jag off-icer...
But he actually stepped up and served, when was the last democrat that had the stones to do that? Carter?
Like Beau Biden?
when was the last democrat that had the stones to do that? Carter?
Joe Biden saved his community from Corn Pop.
I'm sure that you've served your country in a meaningful way.
What value do you think you have added?
Where did you serve Sean?
Thank you for your service, drinker (and thanx for drinking).
What business is it of yours where or if Sean served? Is he disparaging veterans while not having the courage to step up?
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Spot on but the triggered must attack him with lies and disinformation.
It’s all they got.
I didn't. I also don't spend my time on this site fantasizing about murdering American troops or mocking people for serving their country honorably. You seem okay with that though.
I didn't. I also don't spend my time on this site fantasizing about murdering American troops or mocking people for serving their country honorably. You seem okay with that though.
I like to thank vets for their service.
I'm a vet.
You said, "I also don't spend my time on this site fantasizing about murdering American troops or mocking people for serving their country honorably. You seem okay with that though."
I have never, nor would I ever, say shit like that.
Please stop putting YOUR WORDS in my mouth. They taste like shit.
What business is it of yours where or if Sean served?
Bugsy said it by his question #1.2.23
I notice you didn't say shit when bugsy asked the same fuckin question.
Look back through this thread. I was thanking vets for their service without disparaging their political leanings.
Those who didn't serve (like Donald Trump) missed out on a valuable life experience.
Some folks pretend no one but service members should have opinions.
Everyone has (and is entitled to) opinions.
have never, nor would I ever, say shit like that.
Yet when people on your seed did, you didn't say anything. You just get pissy when people who didn't serve (Joe Biden) were mocked.
Given the stock you put in people serving, why don't you challenge those mocking and denigrating people's service records not to posting fantasies of killing American troops?
you should hear what I have to say about devout catholics...
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Back in the 60s many of my friends were indoctrinated, recruited and died in Nam. For no reason other than more money for the military industrial complex.
The bay of pigs never happened. It was just a recruitment poster.
Is that why JFK and LBJ sent us there?
The Bay of Pigs was a CIA inspired action in Cuba. It had nothing to do with Vietnam.
I suspect you were thinking of the Gulf of Tonkin incident that was used to justify escalating the War in Vietnam
This is what Google says:
... and real texans were born there.
But are they still Texans if they run away from Texas clutching at their pearls?....
Interesting take.... no doubt you also believe that real women were born female and real men were born male right?...
Do you think that naturalized migrants aren’t “real Americans”.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there, Greg.
Me thinks you are going a little too far with that one.
Interesting question...
During and as a result of that debate, DeSantis ended up looking like Vivek Ramaswamys little brother or sidekick. Ramaswamy completely over shadowed DeSantis and undoubtedly won hearts and "minds" among the ultra MAGA crowd. As long as Republican fanatics forget to remember that they despise Hindus and "towel heads" Ramaswamy should enjoy a brief moment in the MAGA sun (until Trump decides to bigfoot him).
Finally! A policy from him!
It's a bad one but it's a policy besides "Kill Woke!"
Ah yes, let's invade a neighboring country against their will and all the world will be right. How fucking stupid can one get, Does he think that American servicemen and women are not going to die? That we will be welcomed with open arms.
How have our invasions turned out in the last couple of wars...Not so good would be an understatement of epic proportions.
A Mouse is kicking his ass and Mickey doesn't have a weapon.
well to be fair, mickey mouse is taller than ronda santis...
well to be fair, mickey mouse is taller than ronda santis...
Have to think that Grenada worked out fairly well.
it's helpful to know what size country republicans were able to invade and defeat quickly, for the future.
There is precedent for invading Mexico. We invaded in 1846 to stop raids from Mexico into Texas and in 1914 to stop Poncho Villa from raiding across the border. Send troops across the border to stop the drug cartels from smuggling across the border if the Mexican government does not do anything about it doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.
That's what you do to invaders. You kill them
It's you. I think that is a sound policy.
It's you. I think that is a sound policy.
I take it you disagree. Why,? What is your solution? Let them in willy- nilly?
I take it you disagree.
Do you actually advocate war with Mexico?
You think it would be actually a war?
The Mexican Army wouldn't last a day against the US military. The Cartels would last longer if they dug in really hard; and then turned to Guerilla tactics. They would still lose badly in a few weeks- and be driven out of Mexico.
The real problem would be rebuilding Mexico afterwards- we suck at nation building. It has been proven time and time again.
Once we leave Mexico would go back to being a shithole; maybe even a worse one that it is now- as the cartels would only have a weak, unpopular, government installed by the US to deal with. The people might even look at them as liberators for a short period of time.
What I love is everyone thinks there are only two options- all out war- or doing nothing. The US government has conducted extrajudicial drone killings all over the planet (many in countries hostile to the US); we also have special forces operating in countries that do not want us there. How long would the cartels last if their leaders were too afraid to show their faces in public? Their supply lines can be constantly destroyed; their people killed; and families forced into hiding.
Simply make it too expense for them to continue to do business.
So do YOU advocate invading Mexico?
We invaded in 1846 to stop raids from Mexico into Texas
That's what President Polk and his love affair with Manifest Destiny would have you believe. Lincoln never bought into it.
Don't care what some think his reasoning was it happened. As far as Lincoln is concerned it happened well before his presidency and his opinion of the matter does not matter.
Lincoln became President less than a generation after Polk making them contemporaries and yet one should care what you think coming 8 or so generations later. Such hubris!
stop making sense
Abraham Lincoln lost his reelection bid for the House of Representatives mainly because he opposed the war with Mexico. Obviously he had a well known opinion about it based on the facts at the time.
We also invaded Canada and took a whipping. We should have learned a long time ago that when you invade another country for whatever reason you will have united the population against you for as long as it takes for us to be forced out. Look at Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan or what is happening right now in Ukraine with Russia invading. Never underestimate those defending their country. One hell of a lot of American servicemen and women would die if we invaded Mexico on whatever pretext DeSantis would use.
A good place to start is getting the American public off drugs, no one from Mexico is forcing us to be a drug-induced nation, that is on us. The demand is here and if it isn't drug gangs in Mexico supplying the drugs then it will be gangs from somewhere else.
We also invaded Canada and took a whipping.
Let's call it a draw else certain mavens of history will have fits of histrionics.
I'm sure that they would, but that is their problem. LOL
maybe they'll all leave and go edit the wikipedia data on the story...
I thought they were all busy cribbing notes over at Conservapedia.
no troublesome citations needed there...
So killing immigrants "stone cold dead" is the policy of a psychopath.
They are not immigrants they are invaders. That's what you do when someone invaded your country. You kill them stone cold dead.
please go find the closest native american pow wow and tell them that, word for word...
I suspect DeSantis is thinking of Special and Co-Ops missions with the permission and participation of the Mexican government.
Also, it would be helpful if armed regular troops were sent to the border to supplement and assist the overwhelmed border agents.
oh look, another demonstration of US constitution comprehension by the right...
There is nothing in the Constitution that precludes putting troops on the border and the Posse Comitatus act is not part of the Constitution.
As I said, there is nothing in the Constitution that prevent putting as tmed troops on the border especially if they are going there to repel invaders which they would be doing.
And again I said nothing in the Constitution says anything that stops the government from sending armed troops to the border. What part of that confuses you?
No, after the House and Senate Appropriations Committees agree on an Appropriations bill, it heads to the House and Senate floors where it may be further amended and eventually passed. Most times, the bills passed by House and Senate differ in some significant ways and must be reconciled. Once a final bill has been negotiated between the two chambers, it must then pass the House and Senate and be signed by the President.
Not if the country is being invaded which it obviously is.
Wrong again. Crossing ye border illegally is a criminal event. It may be either a misdemeanor or a felony and both can be penalized by civil penalties as well as jail time. Civil crimes such as you are saying do not incur jail time, therefore are not civil crimes, like running a stop sign or speeding but actual criminal offense.
True. Usual politics apply, but since they have not even put forth the effort it shows it's not a priority.
Congress writes laws and can earmark funds for specific purposes. The have earmarked money for increased border agent pay, and additional agents in the past, they can certainly do so again if it really were necessary.
Maybe he watched "Clear And Present Danger" too many times.😏
That is already happening and has been for quite some time. CIA/DEA/FBI is very involved and the cooperation has cooled quite a bit since an FBI agent arrested ex-Mexican Defense Minister Salvador Cienfuegos without the knowledge of Mexican authorities. The US dropped the case against him in 2020 and relations have been stalled every since.
The many covert ops we have been involved in both South and Central America have not been good and have built up a wealth of anti-American feelings.
A book with insight into the ops there would be a book entitled, ''Killing Pablo'' The Medellin Cartel in Columbia. There are many others and anything written about ''Operation Condor'' would be a good insight into a very dark period in our history with Central and South America.
A few traditional farm workers trying to escape narco traffickers and AGW hardly amounts to an invasion. Only far right wing fascists care.
Most everybody else appreciates the extra labor pool.