Adios, Sayonara, Adieu, So Long Newsvine
Well, today I finally did what I never thought I would do: I deleted my Newsvine account. There is no more "bitemore" on Newsvine.
Shortly after I sent it into the vast reaches of Cyberspace, I looked at an article by someone I respect (I refrain from using names here), who had a very good article on what was wrong with the Vine, and who mentioned that now comments were restricted in length (a new feature), as if I didn't need any additional reassurance that deleting my column was the right thing to do.
The arrogance of the entire pro-Newsvine community was so oppressive that every time I logged on it was with a sense of dread, as though someone had hung lead weights around my neck.
So... I have no regrets. The dead should remain buried, and this allows the GOOD memories to stay in the forefront. I made a lot of friends there, many of whom are now here; I enjoyed thecamaraderie, the Vinemeet, the give and take and the parties - but those days are gone, at least on that site.
This is my new home. This is where I am putting down new roots.
Buh-bye, Noozvine. Been real...
wmolaw: you, sir, have always had manners. You were one of the good guys on the Vine (and there were many, to be sure). I considered just leaving my account there, but when I thought of those arrogant so-and-so's getting paid for MY work, I just couldn't stomach it. I can see everything I need to see of that place without joining it or logging on... and when I do go there, I never stay very long. It is, well... a dump. Those who like it...? well, fine. Goody for them. But I do NOT like it, and after 4 years and almost 4 months, enough was enough. I hope the vultures can still find nourishment on that picked-over carcass. [... yeah, I can be a bit of a bitch, when push comes to shove ...]
There is now a limit on comment size???? Holy Schmoley, when did that happen?
Oh my, and I've been having a rather civil discussion with the above not-mentioned. Bitey, you are right... My column is about empty anyway...
((((((((((((((((((((bitey))))))))))))))))))))) I will be forever grateful to have met you there!!!
You think it's about time for a rehash of the original boobs article?
According to the author of the article, there is a new restriction on comment size. As I no longer have a column there, I couldn't put it to the test, but saw no reason to doubt the writer of the article. As for when it began? I don't know, but I do believe that it did happen.
By all means, I believe your original boobs article should be posted here. That is where I first encountered you on that other place, if I recall rightly... wonderful memories, and a terrific article!
Funny thing, but after I deleted my column and got rid of that other place in my browser tabs, my computer has been running MUCH better!
That's what I need to do.
Oh my, I hate to do it! I'd really like to get my web site up and running, so I could announce it to the Gates of Eden group, before I leave permanently. But, I can't stay there.
All of this really bugs me to no end. I need to get away and leave it, walk away.
It's just a website, it's just a website, it's not like when Daddy died-- it's just a website. In the grand scheme of things, it's not important...
Dowsey... it is LESS than a web site, now. But, I'm not going to tell you what you should or should not do. It is something that only you can decide, both whether to do it or not, and when. Before today, I couldn't have done it. Today, something snapped and I just said to hell with it. As you said, it is just a web site... but more than that, it is made up of one hell of a lot of arrogance and condescension. I literally felt unwanted there, and it has always been my policy never to stay where I wasn't wanted. That is what tipped me, finally. But if something is gonna tip you, then only you can determine when that point is reached.
I just want to get this website up and running so that the wonderful people of the Gates of Eden could use it... But then, I could contact someone via email, and ask THEM to announce it for me.
Sadly, I want it to be a help to the wonderful people in that group... And, at the same time, every time I go there, I come away with a heavy heart.
You and I have invested so much in that site. I must be honest, I find tyler's and Sally's attitude to be somewhat puzzling...
But then, they have to work there, and I don't. If they had an emoticon of someone scratching their head, I'd put it here.
Aloha, dear JS!
Yes, someone unmentionable made a POINT to tell me that my articles/news discussions on the site didn't need my moderation. And the NV was a NEWS discussions site.
Wasn't that pleasant?
yes. Same unmentionable person just told me that I was of little interest to the site. And that Older members were of course MUCH more valuable. Older members like him. My response was that I have never thought I was important to the vine. I was never very far up in the leaderboard.
I left the conversation, before I got mad, which was good. I'm going to ask A. Mac, if, when I get my website up, he'll share it with the Gates of Eden Group...
Sigh... it has become such a nightmare to me over there...
Just not worth it. It is beginning to get really nasty.
Yes, being happy is the best revenge.
Dowsey and Jewel: I LOVE this exchange... you are both very solid, caring, feeling folks, not to mention smarter than the average genius... what has me totally befuddled is that you are both the very kinds of individuals most sites would give anything to have as regulars there. You set examples that most people want to emulate, at least if they are decent. That Newsvine's "power elite" even TRY to talk down to either of you is a slap in the face to all of us.
Sigh. I won't be online much today... it is chores-day. So, Happy Valentines Day to all...
the very same to you, dear bitey, and JS!
I went to a site named Alexa, a sort of web site rating agency and left a scathing review! Not that it helped much, but the rating of the site is WAY down!
Yes, Jewel, community DOES mean more than money... thing is, if you cater to the community, the money will generally follow. No one gains when you piss people off, especially in the huge numbers that Newsvine pissed off. They may gain a few walk-ins and fly-by's, but unless they make it more welcoming, people won't stay as they once did. I'm just happy that we have this site, because it is run by smart people who have been there, done that, and know darned well that you will never gain anything in the long run if all you care about is the short run. Loyalty counts. Newsvine never "got" that.
There are too many very experienced and knowledgeable people on this planet and we will find a way to connect with one another. Let the others do their superficial and petty wrestling and leave the respectful dialogues to us.
You are so right! The rich and powerful have only one real fear: that we, the people, will mass together and take back our civilization. There is strength in numbers, and thus the power-elite do have a lot at stake when it comes to trying to splinter us. It is entirely up to us to see that they do not get their way.
I realized at the tender age of three that bullies are cowards and will turn tail the minute they are challenged.
Truer words have never been spoken! Um... written. Bullies are the first to holler "foul" when the battle THEY started is being won by those they picked on!
I actually think the internet is helping to keep ordinary folks connected... as long as we can get together and reach others who are like ourselves, then we all have a voice.
Whew! Lots to catch up on-- this is blocked at work!
Good posts, both of you! A fascinating read!
Thanks, Dowsey! One thing for sure: this site is busy, busy, busy, and that is a good thing! Looks like a lot of folks are just having fun here!
Very good blog, I think it expresses the way most of us feel. Coming from that other site to this one is like leaving a very dark, angry place and blinking in awe at the sunshine. I think I will rather enjoy this, even if I do spend most of my time lurking.
Thanks, Jennilee. Your analogy is apt... and I do think you will enjoy this site. It is very relaxed, that's for sure. And there is no "secret agenda." I think I like that best of all!
So I think that makes this the second time you've deleted your NV account? Am I right about that? Not that I blame you, the site has some real problems the biggest of which is a broken covenant with the membership. It really rubbed people the wrong way when changes were made without any input from the members on what they wanted to keep, etc.
Well I am rambling about stuff that is dead and done with.
Let's start something good for ourselves here and have a little fun, too. See all of you around!
Hi, Minnie! Nope, I never deleted my account before. I think you're thinking of my roomie, Remote Viewer, who did delete her account. Twice. First because she was inundated with stuff she had to do and thus had no time to devote to the Vine and then because they couldn't resurrect her articles, which were the only reason she was willing to re-reg: she'd written some good stuff and hadn't saved it elsewhere. She still has no time for online forums... busiest person I've ever known!
But, I joined the Vine in November of 2008, and stuck with it until yesterday, when I realized I could never go back there. Last year I saved all my original stuff to Word documents; no point in staying when the place kept knocking me off the internet altogether. I'm not making this up: we have four computers on a home network, and Newsvine is such a bandwidth-hog that we kept losing our internet connection. We even called Comcast support, they replaced our modem, and while that improved the situation somewhat, it didn't fix it entirely. When Newsvine went live with the new site, about the longest I could stay on the site was 15 minutes without losing connectivity. Very, very frustrating.
So, I left. Since I left, we haven't lost internet connection at all.
Anyway, I am truly delighted to see you here!
patience wears really thin when the site cannot stay up.
That gets the "Understatement of the Year" award!
I'm just glad my participation there is over. I'm so worn out with it...
Dowsey: if anyone should feel worn out it is you. They really do not appreciate what you did for that site. They should be red-faced with shame!
Jewel: I was not aware that comments didn't migrate with articles! Geez... that is one helluva slap in the face! When I moved my articles into Word, I did save some comments. Not all, but some... and I would have saved all if I'd known they'd be gone with the "new" Vine! Damn them! There were some comments there by Viners who passed... and that was all we had left of them...
But, of course, no one over there gives a damn. Screw them!
to my friends here at NT... Have been bouncing back and forth between the two sites. My problem with them is I don't like the new format and the Nations thing is a farce. I do like the NV Pgotographers format where one can post a number of pictures and see other who do so also. Haven't found that system here yet.
But that is the only thing I like there and sometime this weekend I will probably post one more photo set and then by Mon. will be just a bad memory to those who are still there. I don't spend alot of time on the internet or any particular site. Being solely on NT will force me to take the timeto learn the 'ropes' so to speak if I want to have communication with people outside my own little world. I do not like Facebook or Twitter and have a real problem with being force to use then and places like them to relate or be in touch with people.Given enough time and patience and tolerance on my part and I will get this system down, at least to the point that I feel comfortable.
Maybe I will have to start spending less time in the mtns. with Smokey the beagle and Muggs the new little dog that has become part of the hound and my family. We rescued him form a bad situation and now he is here.
OOps! Guess I am rambling on. Will be here full time soon, to make a long story short.
Deepwater Don: Oh, yes, you'll learn the ropes here. You can post photos in any comment. Look at the toolbar in the comment box. Just to the right of the word, "link," you'll see a teensy-weensy little photo icon. Just click that and follow the instructions. It is very, very easy! And A. Mac has a Photographers' Group here, too. I'm sure he'd be delighted to have you as a member.
This site is actually almost as easy as the old Newsvine was, and it is for sure a LOT friendlier!
Jewel, you raised a very good point: Newsvine's motto was "Get Smarter Here." And many, many did. Yet, apparently they flunked their own Final... Those who "got smarter" came here. Those who didn't...
I'll stop there. I really do not like making such negative remarks, even when it may be warranted. I'm just happy that we have a place (here) where we can continue in the traditions to which we had become accustomed.
Hopefully they will realize the error of their ways.
I'm not holding my breath. They are in such deep denial that by the time they realize how much better it would have been to admit they made a mistake from the get-go, it may be too late. To the last one out: please turn off the lights.
I do understand, Bruce. Believe me. Trauma can do that to someone... never mind that you had a lot of friends "over there" trying to stick up for you, outraged that you'd been so unceremoniously banned. I'm sure it is still a sore point with many. It is for me. When a friend is banned, it becomes personal. The last thing I ever want to see is a friend being banned. I choose my friends carefully. I'm not likely to be friends with a jerk, and only a jerk deserves to be banned. So, yes, I get where you are coming from, and I am so glad you have settled in here. You have always had much to contribute. Their loss, our gain. Actually, looks like they have a LOT of losses, and we have a LOT of gains. Sure am glad that our gains aren't of the "tip-the-scale" kind!
Well, lurking this morning, guess what I found out. One of our LEAST favorite people has been made an administrator on the site over there. Yet another reason to leave.
Not at all surprised. I heard somewhere that this was the person that sold Mike D the bill of goods for this new site. The same person that told me that nothing I posted was of any value because it wasn't news. The same person who drove off so many of our friends, like Augur Well...
Isn't that just DUCKY?
MY mistake, he is the administrator of a group. I usually avoid him like the plague, but, as I was flipping through comments, there he was, listed as administrator.
Yet another example of the confusion over there... I'm sorry!!!
Yeah... I know of whom you squeak. He's been persona non grata in my book for, well... three years, at least. He's so full of himself I'm surprised there's room in there for food.
If all I needed was ONE reason to leave, he would be that reason. There are those who suck up to him... I hope they enjoy the taste of decomp in their mouths.
I left NV years ago, but would go back just to see the NYT Fugees, Jack Gillis, and about 25 or so others. We would converse in the group commenting. Now that's gone. How bizarre.
Not even sure I give enough of a damn to make the effort to delete my account there.
I have been here since the very beginning, and it's weird to see it grow. A tribute to Perrie! Now I have to learn fricking manners all over again, what a pain!