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The Very Strong Case for Joe Biden's Economic Plan

  
Via:  Bob Nelson  •  5 years ago  •  24 comments

By:   Paul Krugman - The New York Times

The Very Strong Case for Joe Biden's Economic Plan
The former vice president's tax and spending claims are credible; Trump's aren't.

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512 Thanks to Donald Trump's shouting and nonstop lying, there wasn't much of a substantive policy discussion at the debate on Tuesday.

Joe Biden's economic plan would replace
President Trump's corporate tax cut with
spending programs for infrastructure and
education that analysts say are likely to
yield much more bang for the buck.
Gabriela Bhaskar for The New York Times

But there were some broad — and unsurprisingly, false — assertions about economic policy. Joe Biden claimed that his tax and spending plans would create millions of jobs and promote economic growth. Trump claimed that they would destroy the economy.

Well, everything we know suggests that Biden was right and Trump wrong. And I'm not the only one saying this. Nonpartisan analysts like Moody's Analytics and the not-exactly-socialist economists at Goldman Sachs are remarkably high on Biden's proposals.

Before I get there, some history.

There's a widespread perception that Republicans are better than Democrats at managing the economy. But that's not at all what the record says.

Yes, Ronald Reagan presided over a long economic expansion; but so did Bill Clinton, and the Clinton boom was both longer and bigger. The economy did in fact add many jobs under Trump before the coronavirus struck, but this simply represented the continuation of an expansion that began under Barack Obama.

And those were the good stretches. Both Bushes presided over really poor economic performance.

Republicans also have a long history of claiming that progressive policies would lead to economic disaster. They've been wrong every time.

They've been wrong about tax hikes: When Clinton raised taxes in 1993, Republicans confidently predicted recession, but what actually happened was a huge boom. When California raised taxes under Jerry Brown, the right called it "economic suicide"; again, the economy boomed.

They've also been wrong about social programs. Obamacare, the G.O.P. insisted, would destroy millions of jobs. One of the dozens of attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act was actually called the "Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act." Yet in the six years after January 2014, when the act went into full effect, the economy added almost 15 million jobs.

And let's not forget the flip side, the many, many times Republicans promised that cutting taxes on the rich would produce an economic miracle, promises that never came true. There's a reason conservatives still go on and on about the Reagan boom, all those years ago; it's the only example they have that even seems to support their economic ideology. (It doesn't, but that's another topic.)

But there's a difference between saying that progressive policies are not the disaster conservatives claim and saying that Biden's plan would actually promote growth. Why are Moody's and Goldman Sachs so high on his proposals? Why do I share that optimism?

First, the background. Even before the coronavirus, good employment numbers could hide underlying economic weakness. For at least the past decade, we've been living in a world of excess savings: the amount the private sector saves persistently exceeds the amount it spends on real investments. This savings glut is reflected in low interest rates, even when the economy is strong.

Low interest rates, in turn, limit the ability of the Federal Reserve to fight downturns, which is why Jerome Powell, the Fed's chairman, has been pleading for more fiscal stimulus.

In today's world, then, we actually want the government to run budget deficits, because they put excess savings to use. But we also want those deficits to be productive — to boost investment, and strengthen the economy in the long run.

The 2017 Trump tax cut flunked that test. It increased the budget deficit, but the main driver of that red ink — a huge cut in corporate taxes — utterly failed to yield the promised surge in business investment.

Biden's plan would roll back that corporate tax cut, replacing it with spending programs likely to yield much more bang for the buck. In particular, much of the spending would be on infrastructure and education — that is, outlays aimed at strengthening the economy in the long run, as well as boosting it over the next few years.

When Moody's ran this program through their model, it concluded that by the end of 2024, real gross domestic product would be 4.5 percent higher than under a continuation of Trump's policies, translating into an additional 7 million jobs. Goldman Sach's estimates are similar: a 3.7 percent gain in G.D.P.

Now, a model is only a model, and economists' predictions are often wrong (although some of us are willing to acknowledge error and learn from our mistakes).

But if you're trying to assess the candidates' economic claims, you should know that Trump's predictions of a Biden bust lack credibility, not just because Trump lies about everything, but because Republicans always predict disaster from progressive policy, and have never yet been right.

And you should also know that Biden's assertions that his plan would give the economy a significant boost are well grounded in mainstream economics and supported by independent, nonpartisan analyses.

So Biden's economic claims are, in fact, credible; Trump's aren't.



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Bob Nelson
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1  seeder  Bob Nelson    5 years ago
...if you're trying to assess the candidates' economic claims, you should know that Trump's predictions of a Biden bust lack credibility, not just because Trump lies about everything, but because Republicans always predict disaster from progressive policy, and have never yet been right.
 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    5 years ago

What are the details of Biden's economic plan?

Gotta link? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @2    5 years ago

You'll probably find something on the Democratic Party's website.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2.1  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2    5 years ago
You'll probably

So you don't know if one exists.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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2.3  Gazoo  replied to  Greg Jones @2    5 years ago

The green new deal is part of it, although he denied it at the debate, it’s on his website. Anyhow, no way he can top trump’s economy, no way.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.3.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Gazoo @2.3    5 years ago

original This economy???

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.3.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.1    5 years ago

Would you please state the source of the above graph? It does not say.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.3.3  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.3.2    5 years ago

I just pulled it from the Internet. If you Google "economics graphic" or something similar, you'll find all you want. 

This is "unemployment", because I think that's significant. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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2.3.4  Gazoo  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.1    5 years ago

Oh come on Bob, you’re not stupid so don’t play stupid. You know exactly what i’m talking about.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.3.5  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Gazoo @2.3.4    5 years ago

No, actually. 

I know of no indicators that show the Trump economy to be a good one.

Trump himself says the economy is good... but he's not exactly a reliable source. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.3.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.6    5 years ago

I should not have to research something he brought up. It is up to him to be able to back himself and state a source, not me.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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2.3.9  Gazoo  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.5    5 years ago

I’m talking pre-pandemic. Of course any economy is going to take a downturn when something like this takes place. And despite covid the economy is coming back strong. The stock market is back up to pp levels, jobs are coming back. It’s happening much faster than some would like. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.3.10  Ronin2  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.1    5 years ago

Try something more accurate/current and less TDS driven.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.3.11  Kavika   replied to  Gazoo @2.3.9    5 years ago
The stock market is back up to pp levels, jobs are coming back. It’s happening much faster than some would like.

I don't know who the ''some'' are but this is what the feds have to to keep the economy from a total meltdown, which of course would include the stockmarket. It's always good to remember that Wall Street isn't Main St.

I believe at last count the feds have pumped in around $4 trillion. 

Of course, you can research it if you have any doubts. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3  Ronin2    5 years ago

The man who helped oversee the slowest economic recovery ever from a recession is going to save the economy now?

I am sure if Joe just throws enough money at it the problem will go away; or not.

Joe is exactly who we don't need in charge of the economy.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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3.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Ronin2 @3    5 years ago
Joe is exactly who we don't need in charge of the economy.

joe is 47yrs worth of bad policy summed up in one person.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4  bugsy    5 years ago

So Joe has been in public office for 47 years and NOW he says he has the answers?

Can a liberal explain why he did not have "his" "ideas" in place decades ago, especially if his plan is so good?

Honestly I don't think there will be an answer, or at least a coherent one.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     5 years ago

All anyone has to do is goggle his economic plan. Here is what the Wharton School of Business has to say about it. I think that Trump said he attended.

Trump alma mater says Biden plan would lead to more economic growth

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @5    5 years ago

Those that can do, those that can't teach. Those that can neither do nor teach become socialists/communists.

Enough said.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    5 years ago
Enough said.

Enough said, really? Perhaps you should review the graduates of Wharton. It's considered the top business school in the world. 

Wharton is widely regarded as one of the world's top institutions for business education. In 2014–2015, as well as 2017–2018, U.S. News & World Report ranked Wharton's undergraduate program first in the U.S., MBA program tied for first in the U.S., and executive MBA program also first.

Trump as bragged about attending and graduating from Wharton, so I guess that he full of shit. 

P.S. You may want to research graduates from Wharton. I'm sure that they'll be surprised to know that the instructors were commies and socialists.

 
 
 
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5.1.2  Account Deleted  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    5 years ago

I could probably find you a couple of communists grad assistants who worked on the project but the Director of Special Projects previously of CATO and American Enterprise Institute would probably take issue with being classed as even a socialist, let alone a communist.

 
 

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