What's up with the unidentified objects that US fighter planes keep taking down?
By: Ellen Ioanes (Vox)
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A third object was taken out Sunday afternoon in Michigan, after transiting over Montana.
An as-yet unidentified object was shot down over Michigan's Lake Huron Sunday afternoon, the third over three consecutive days. A US jet shot down a flying object over Canada Saturday, and on Friday a US fighter brought down another over Alaska.
According to Sen. Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, the objects taken down Friday and Saturday are likely Chinese balloons, "much smaller" than one shot down in US coastal waters off South Carolinalast week. North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) temporarily closed airspace over Montana on Saturday, and Lake Michigan Sunday "during NORAD operations."
Debris from three of the objects is still being recovered as of Sunday. Officials within the Biden administration have been cautious about connecting the most recent objects with the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon, which officials said had been gathering limited intelligence about US military installations.
"We're going to probably be able to piece together this whole surveillance balloon, and know exactly what's going on," Schumer said of the balloon shot down last weekend.
US officials only discovered China's air balloon surveillance program within the past year, though the program dates at least as far back as the administration of former President Donald Trump. "We did not detect those threats and that's a domain awareness gap that we have to figure out," Gen. Glen VanHerck, the head of US Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), a joint operation with Canada, told reporters Monday. The US intelligence community reportedly told NORAD that the balloons were a threat, but VanHerck didn't specify at the time what US intelligence knows about the balloon program, or how it discovered the information.
US President Joe Biden and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ordered Canadian and US fighters — whichever had the better shot — to take down the object Saturday. US F-22 aircraft using Sidewinder missiles shot down the object, and Canadian aircraft joined US jets Friday to track it object as it transited from US airspace to Canadian.
"Canadian Forces will now recover and analyze the wreckage of the object," Trudeau wrote in a Twitter post.
"It is wild that we didn't know" about the Chinese balloon surveillance program until recently, Schumer said Sunday, despite the fact that such devices crossed into US airspace at least three times under former President Donald Trump, and similar devices have been spotted over 40 countries on five different continents, according to Axios.
A US program studying UFOs may have helped detect the Chinese balloon program
It's unclear how extensive the Chinese program is; US systems often encounter "unexplained anomalous phenomena" as the government calls such objects, and the objects that have been identified are mostly foreign intelligence gathering or human-made trash.
The US government does have a program to study UAP under the Department of Defense called the Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group. The Pentagon and the intelligence community coordinate through this group to "detect, identify and attribute objects of interest in Special Use Airspace and to assess and mitigate any associated threats to safety of flight and national security."
US programming to study UAP isn't new; former Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) urged Congress to fund the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, the predecessor of the Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group, starting in 2007. Though the Pentagon claimed to have shut down the effort in 2012 and indeed reportedly eliminated funding for it at the time, the New York Times reported in 2017 that the program continued.
ABC's Luis Martinez reported on Tuesday that information from Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group, as disclosed in reports to Congress, was one of the programs used to help identify China's balloon surveillance program. Many of the most recent incidents of UAPs that the group has tracked have been found to have been balloons or balloon-like objects.
These incidents could cause a bigger rift between the US and China
"All countries spy on each other, and the US and China are no exception," Vox's Jen Kirby wrote last week, "and they have a myriad of techniques and tactics to do so, many of which are less intrusive and more precise than a massive balloon." Given that, the balloon — and potentially the three objects downed over the weekend— might serve another purpose, or tell us more about what China and its President Xi Jinping are trying to accomplish.
There are legitimate security concerns about China's surveillance tactics, and what it is doing with the information gathered — but honestly, the Chinese Communist Party doesn't need a balloon for that, just maybe your cellphone. And it's still not clear why China would let this balloon head to the US on the eve of this meeting with Blinken. Some possible theories include a bureaucratic slip-up or miscommunication, which may reveal disorganization within the Chinese government, and raises questions about Xi's competence. Signs of such dysfunction are equally troubling, as it increases the possibility of a much more serious miscalculation that could spark an even more serious confrontation.
In addition to concerns about national security, the objects the US has recently downed raise questions about the fragile relationship between the US and China. Last week, after news of the first object now determined to be a Chinese surveillance balloon broke, Secretary of State Antony Blinken decided to postpone his trip to China, indicating further rupture in the relationship between the two nations.
"While a 'balloon' sounds insignificant — even laughable — the fact is these are tremendously sophisticated surveillance and collection systems that are designed to linger over highly sensitive military facilities," Danny Russel, Vice President for International Security and Diplomacy at the Asia Society Policy Institute (ASPI), told Vox via email last week. "The idea of the Secretary of State visiting Beijing while this slow-moving platform was still drifting across the United States was undoubtedly a factor in the decision to postpone the trip as was the recognition that the incident would dominate the agenda and crowd out the strategic issues."
China responded to the downing of what they claimed was a civilian weather monitoring balloon, with the Chinese Ministry of Foreign affairs saying in a statement, "For the United States to insist on using armed force is clearly an excessive reaction that seriously violates international convention." Thus far, China has not responded to the downing of the objects on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
By Ellen Ioanes Feb 12, 2023, 4:33pm EST Drew Angerer/Getty Images Ellen Ioanes covers breaking and general assignment news as the weekend reporter at Vox. She previously worked at Business Insider covering the military and global conflicts.
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Seems that we are being attacked by who knows who or there is a lot of spycraft floating around.
That's what I've taken from all this. If we've taken down this many... how many more are there?
Why haven't we taken them down before? Have we only now acquired the means?
More questions than answers.
The powers that be in the USA deemed the one shot down at the coast of the Carolinas to be from China before they even had any proof of it, as compared to the absence of any official speculation about where the more recent ones are from, which makes me suspect that the more recent ones could actually be American, or belong to American allies. Otherwise why wouldn't they announce suspected ownership by China as they did before?
What is your proof for that statement?
Have the Chinese shot down the suspicious unidentified aerial floating object over Quindoa yet?? It's just a weather balloon so why all the fuss...
You draw a long bow at times Buzz..
Evening G..it was actually ours but don't tell anyone...we are planning to flood the States with Vegemite and over take you all..🐨
If they did not, why did Blinken cancel his trip to China well before the balloon was shot down? If you don't believe me you can read the pages of articles about it in a web search.
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No idea I don't follow US politians.. don't even know who he is let alone what he does..
The way China keeps having accidents over other continents it's a bit of a worry though..
Wonder what they spied on down here..the mind boggles..🦘
And on that note i must depart..hope you are over COVID and no lasting effects...
Shona, my comment about Blinken was a reply to Gsquared.
I'm almost entirely back to normal now. It's expected that there are a couple of lingering effects with this variant that take a little longer, like getting breathless now and then when some physical effort is made, but I'm rarely coughing, just having to clear my throat once in a while. I'm pretty lucky, because I've never been vaccinated and I'm at a vulnerable age. I know I have a strong immunity because I almost never get a cold or sick. In fact this variant that I got infected with is the only real sickness I've had in the 16 1/2 years I've lived here.
Ok, so you have none. Just wanted to make sure.
You guys down there had better watch out, shona, or we're going to start dropping cans of Spam on all of your major population centers.
The balloon was shot down February 4th. What more do you want for proof that it was "deemed" to be Chinese before it was shot down? An affidavit? A polygraph test?
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Or were you seeking proof of what I specifically called my SPECULATION?
Re-read my Comment 2.2.1.
I did. Since China is considered by America to continually lie about things, China's admission that it was theirs can't be considered proof. Besides, didn't China lie about it being a weather balloon only, and it's already being identified because of its antennae to be much more than a weather balloon. Lies aren't proof and when someone lies about anything they can never be believed again.
Anyway the REAL point I was making in the comment Gsquared saw fit to challenge me about was that the subsequent balloons were shot down even though NOBODY knew what they were or who sent them, as compared to the situation with the original one. Pick pick pick eh?