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A PERFECT SOLUTION

  
By:  Buzz of the Orient  •  one month ago  •  90 comments


A PERFECT SOLUTION
 

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A PERFECT SOLUTION 

Having been put down enough times for supporting Israel at a time when the whole world, including members of NT, have been blaming Israel for a "genocide" that it is carrying on in the Gaza strip and Lebanon, with only sometimes that minimal lip service is paid to the fact that the declared terrorist Hamas militants might also be "somewhat" responsible (if you can find such a statement) notwithstanding my time and again posting the underlying reasons why Hamas started the war on October 7 last year by invading a peaceful music festival and murdering innocent civilians, raping and mutilating young girls, beheading men, roasting live babies, taking hostages, all of which might actually have caused the United Nations to say "tsk,tsk", give latent antisemitism a reason to blossom.   Hamas' technique was brilliant, it KNEW that Israel would not say: "Thank you for only murdering 1,200 innocent civilians and only taking around 250 hostages including those from foreign lands", but knowing that Israel would come down hard on Gaza.  That was what they wanted. They were prepared for it.  They were instructed by Iran to create a perfect psychological propaganda warfare that would cause the world to blame the Jews.  AND IT WORKED, even on NT members who one would think were not so gullible.  They knew that by hiding themselves, their weapons and their control centres in and under hospitals, schools, mosques, UN facilities and refugee centres and by so beautifully using human shields it would mean that to eliminate those fucking terrorist monsters Israel would be bound to have to commit collateral damage.  And OH, how much the gullible world at large eats like the most delicious food they could ever imagine the exaggerated numbers of casualties issued by Hamas ESPECIALLY how many CHILDREN, because, boy, that is really going to get all those bleeding hearts bleeding profusely and create hatred for Israel and Jews generally.

So what to do?  How do we end this war, while at the same time put an end to the antisemitism and bring actual peace to the Middle East.  Well since what is happening is Israel's fault as far as most people are concerned, HERE is THE PERFECT SOLUTION .  Does that sound something like the words THE FINAL SOLUTION ?  Yes, it does, doesn't it.  Well, I bet there are a lot of people out there who won't admit it but think that maybe the Nazis were right.   

HERE IT IS, FOLKS.  All that has to be done is MOVE THE JEWS.  Yep, that's all it takes.  Move all the Israeli Jews, and while we're at it, may as well move all the Jews in the world to where?  Where in the world would it be impossible for them to carry on their favourite passtime - genocide.  There is a continent in the world where it can't happen, cause nobody else lives on the continent except a few scientists temporarily.  ANTARCTICA !!!  Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?  Let's move all the Jewish scientists, inventors, artists, medical professionals, Nobel laureates, entrepreneurs, all who have been so productive and beneficial to the whole world, the common folk, and especially the warmongering Israeli Jews, oh, and don't forget the lawyers, ALL of them to Antarctica and they can give vent to their genocidal tendencies on the polar bears and penguins.  HOW HAPPY the Palestinians would be to have their most precious desire of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" ACTUALLY COME TRUE.  The United Nations will rejoice, and the antisemites around the world can dance in the streets and share candies just like the Muslims did when 9/11 happened and Oct 7 happened.  There it is folks, it should make you all happy, THE FINAL SOLUTION, oh sorry, I meant THE PERFECT SOLUTION.  It will mean what Chamberlain wanted - "Peace in our time."

Here it is folks, a home for the Jews. 

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It sure looks comfy - a land of milk and honey.

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Buzz of the Orient
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1  author  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

Oh, did I forget to put the sarcasm sign on that?  Okay, here it is:

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devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    4 weeks ago

ezpz. invite the 30K most influential and militant leaders of the 3 abrahamic religions in the region to a desert peace conference, and when they have all gathered there, drop a dozen or so 2000 pound US bombs on them, and then send in the trenchers and dozers. /s

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    4 weeks ago

?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @1.1    4 weeks ago

Well, to at least a couple of those Abrahamic religions I don't think such extremism is necessary.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.3  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

I understand your reply.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  author  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

My GREAT EXPECTATIONS as to the comments are such that here is a special additional RED BOX RULE for this article.  I will delete every nasty and critical comment unless they contravene the CoC or ToS in which case I will flag them for the site mods in order to delete and award points towards suspension. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  author  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

By the way, does anyone know - do they have wifi internet up there?

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 weeks ago
By the way, does anyone know - do they have wifi internet up there?

"Up" where? 

If you are referring to Antarctica, it actually the very bottom of the globe! I often why people living in the Southern hemisphere (especially the Australians-- don't fall off!)

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.2    4 weeks ago
especially the Australians-- don't fall off!)

People living on the bottom of the globe are all upside down. I always wondered what makes them stick to the globe. Perhaps some sort of magical powers?

But then I realized-- its probably all that gooey stuff they eat-- The Vegemite!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.2    4 weeks ago
"you are referring to Antarctica, it actually the very bottom of the globe!"

LOL  Well, maybe upside down thinking is part of what this satire is critical about, so it fits.

 
 
 
shona1
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3.2.3  shona1  replied to  Krishna @3.2.1    4 weeks ago

Morning... naturally it's Vegemite..it sticks to everything..

See keep telling you Northerners when you on to a good thing, you stick to it...

You need the Southern Hemisphere to hold you mob up..your welcome..

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Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.4  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.2.1    4 weeks ago
"People living on the bottom of the globe are all upside down."

Well, as you can see, shona1 sticks with us. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.5  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @3.2.3    4 weeks ago

LOL.  That's a good one, shona1.  Atlas saved the whole world from falling. 

 
 
 
shona1
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3.2.6  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.5    4 weeks ago

When only the best will do..

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Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.7  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.2    4 weeks ago
"If you are referring to Antarctica, it actually the very bottom of the globe!"

You know what?  That statement just got me thinking about it.  Why did those who originally visualized the whole solar system including the Earth picture it the way they did?  It was a particular point of view, and they could just as easily have looked at it from a different angle to see the whole thing the other way around, with Antarctica at the top and Australia in the top half rather than the bottom.  Of course, they'd have to produce a lot more vegemite to prevent so many of us from falling off, wouldn't they. 

 
 
 
shona1
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3.2.8  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.7    4 weeks ago

You mean like this...we are on top of the world..🤣

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shona1
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3.2.9  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.7    4 weeks ago

We are pretty picky who we give our Vegemite too..most of you mob would probably fall off..thinning the herd so to speak..bye..😁

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Krishna
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3.2.10  Krishna  replied to  shona1 @3.2.3    4 weeks ago
You need the Southern Hemisphere to hold you mob up..your welcome..

Why thank you-- I never realized the part youse guys play in holding us up! (That guy must've eaten a lot of Vegemite that morning-- he's able to up the entire world!)!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.11  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.2.10    4 weeks ago
Why thank you-- I never realized the part youse guys play in holding us up! (That guy must've eaten a lot of Vegemite that morning-- he's able to up the entire world!)!

Actually Shona1 I've been  reading your comments about Vegemite. As far as I know, not many American eat it--or know about it. But I know it exists in some stores here.You've got me curious-- I will look for it, buy some-- and try it!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.12  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.2.11    4 weeks ago
Actually Shona1 I've been  reading your comments about Vegemite. As far as I know, not many American eat it--or know about it. But I know it exists in some stores here.You've got me curious-- I will look for it, buy some-- and try it!

And if not easy to find here I'm sure Amazon has it-- they have just about evertthing! (recently I saw they sell houses-- pre-fab. IIRC they come flat and you open them up, do a little work on it-- and viola-- you have an actual house!

 
 
 
shona1
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3.2.13  shona1  replied to  Krishna @3.2.12    4 weeks ago

Arvo Krishna..make sure it's Vegemite and not Marmite..🤢

Can't beat it on toast or toasted muffins..and you have to have it with butter..not crappy margarine or any other adulterated food spread..

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shona1
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3.2.14  shona1  replied to  Krishna @3.2.10    4 weeks ago

We breed 'em tough down here..and our shoulders are broad...🦘

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.15  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @3.2.8    4 weeks ago

Someone actually produced that map!!!!  Hilarious!!!.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.16  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @3.2.9    4 weeks ago
"We are pretty picky who we give our Vegemite to"

Who is that guy?  Superman?  

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.17  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.4    4 weeks ago
shona1 sticks with us. 

Pun intended?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.18  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.2.17    4 weeks ago

Mais oui, mon ami.

 
 
 
charger 383
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4  charger 383    one month ago

They would make it a nice place and then be blamed for causing global warming

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  charger 383 @4    one month ago

LOL   You sure got that right.

 
 
 
George
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4.1.1  George  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    one month ago

And get accused of hoarding ice. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  George @4.1.1    one month ago

Maybe, but with enough practice they could win Olympic gold medals for winter sports, as long as the Olympics aren't held in Munich.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.2    4 weeks ago
as long as the Olympics aren't held in Munich.

I would imagine that most people reading that would have idea why you specifically mentioned Olympics in Munich..

But while I'm often a big fan of "of topic comments" in many cases. I'm not going to explain that now. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.4  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

If anyone never knew, maybe they should, and if they knew and didn't care, then I really don't care what happens to them either.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.4    4 weeks ago
If anyone never knew, maybe they should,

They definitely should!

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2  Krishna  replied to  charger 383 @4    4 weeks ago

They would make it a nice place and then be blamed for causing global warming.

There is a saying that the Israelis "made the desert bloom". And there's a lot of truth to that-- when they finally regained their independence, more than half of the country of this tiny country was the Negev desert.

And it wasn't like the Mohave Desert which many Americans know.  Which actually has a lot of plant and animals living there. Rather the Negev was mostly barren-- rock and sand.. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.2    4 weeks ago
And it wasn't like the Mohave Desert which many Americans know.  Which actually has a lot of plant and animals living there. Rather the Negev was mostly barren-- rock and sand.. 

What the Jews did with was amazing! Among other things they created communal settlements called "kibbutzim". They invented a system of irrigation that saves water yet allows plants to grow. ("Drip Irrigation"):

Drip irrigation  or  trickle irrigation  is a type of micro-irrigation system that has the potential to save water and nutrients by allowing water to drip slowly to the roots of plants, either from above the soil surface or buried below the surface. The goal is to place water directly into the root zone and minimize evaporation.

Drip irrigation systems distribute water through a network of valves, pipes, tubing, and emitters. Depending on how well designed, installed, maintained, and operated it is, a drip irrigation system can be more efficient than other types of irrigation systems, such as surface irrigation or sprinkler irrigation.

 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

a drip irrigation system can be more efficient than other types of irrigation systems, such as surface irrigation or sprinkler irrigation.

And I found this to be nteresting: I lived for a while as a volunteer  on Kibbutz Hatzerim!

But I left before the Kibbutz created their system of Drip Irrigation! (So I didn't know they did that until I had been back in the U.S. for a while-- and happened to read a article about it!

The first experimental system of this type was established in 1959 by Blass, who partnered later (1964) with  Kibbutz Hatzerim  to create an irrigation company called  Netafim . Together they developed and patented the first practical surface drip irrigation emitter. [ 4 ] [ 5 ]  Modern drip irrigation was invented in Israel in the 1960s, such irrigation also improved the efficiency of fertilizer use as well as water. [ 1 ]  The introduction of this technology was revolutionary according to the Times of Israel and could save 70% of water usage in the growth of rice. [ 7 ]

 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.2.2    4 weeks ago
The first experimental system of this type was established in 1959 by Blass, who partnered later (1964) with  Kibbutz Hatzerim

This system was then used throughout the world in places with arid climates. It was especially important in Africa and other "third world" countries-- it changed lives on a massive scale.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.2.4  JBB  replied to  Krishna @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

Jewish socialists were already experimenting with communal living in The Bronx one hundred years ago...

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.5  Krishna  replied to  JBB @4.2.4    4 weeks ago
Jewish socialists were already experimenting with communal living in The Bronx one hundred years ago...

Well they were very sucessful--  IIRC, there hasn't been an actual desert in the Bronx in many years!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.6  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2    4 weeks ago
There is a saying that the Israelis "made the desert bloom".

It was a wilderness yet to be ripe for the planting.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.7  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

The "drip Irrigation" system is only one of the innumerable inventios, systems and discoveries that the Israeli people have benefited the rest of the world with. And I might ask, those Palestinians that have been spoon-fed for generation after generation by UNRWA with OUR tax dollars, what have they benefitted the world with?  Am I being cruel?  You're damned right I am, but not even CLOSE to the cruelty those vicious uncivilized declared terrorist Hamas monsters are that the whole fucking world prefers to the Israelis. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.8  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

You lived in Israel for a while, which is why I respect what you say about Israel 1000% more than the bleeding hears around here who've never experienced it have to say about it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.9  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @4.2.4    4 weeks ago

Notice the word "Co-operative" in the headline of that linked article.  That's kind of important, don't you think?  It's certainly better than the word "confrontational", isn't it, and in my opinion better than the word "competition".  What I mean is that it is more conducive to peace than the others, I would think. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.10  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.5    4 weeks ago
"Well they were very sucessful--  IIRC, there hasn't been an actual desert in the Bronx in many years!"

Thank you.  That caused my first laugh out loud of the day.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.11  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.8    4 weeks ago
You lived in Israel for a while, which is why I respect what you say about Israel 1000% more than the bleeding hears around here who've never experienced it have to say about it. 

Also in Morocco for a while-- and spent a short time touring Egypt. 

Marocco was one of my most favorite countries-- Egypt one of my least favorite. (At least the people-- they both have interesting sites.)

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.12  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.8    4 weeks ago
You lived in Israel for a while, which is why I respect what you say about Israel 1000% more than the bleeding hears around here who've never experienced it have to say about it. 

It is a truly unique place! (in a good way). I'm not a big fan of the current Israeli government-- but the people and the culture are wonderful!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.13  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.11    4 weeks ago
"Also in Morocco for a while"

Me too.  I've been to Egypt, Morocco AND Jordan to tour Petra.  And besides Israel, the West Bank, but not Gaza.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.14  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.13    4 weeks ago
but not Gaza.

I almost went to Gaza!

At the time it was actually occupied by Israel-- so it was pretty safe.

And relatively prosperous-- during the Occupation the Jews provided good jobs for the Gazans, so they were better off than they'd been in a long time. So happier-- and much less radical!

(Previous to the Jewish occupation, Gaza was occupied by the Egyptians-- they treated the Gazans horribly!)

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.15  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.2.14    4 weeks ago
I almost went to Gaza!

At the time it was actually occupied by Israel-- so it was pretty safe.

And relatively prosperous

When visitng Egypt I decided to fly there-- a very short trip from Israel.

People had suggested I come back by land instead of flying. By bus, from Cairo North to the Egytian coast, then Eastward until the Egyptian-Gaza border-- then a guided tour of the sites in Gaza! Then from Gaza back to Israel on the bus.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.16  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.2.15    4 weeks ago
People had suggested I come back by land instead of flying. By bus, from Cairo North to the Egytian coast, then Eastward until the Egyptian-Gaza border-- then a guided tour of the sites in Gaza! Then from Gaza back to Israel on the bus.

Of course the trip back by bus was much longer than by plane (especially with stops at tourist sites in Gaza). Also most of it was on desert roads-- aand this was during a very hot summer. So I finally decided to take the trip back by air.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.17  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.2.16    4 weeks ago
By bus, from Cairo North to the Egytian coast, then Eastward until the Egyptian-Gaza border-- then a guided tour of the sites in Gaza!

Now I regret I didn't visit Gaza. And I had some interesting tourist brochures, including one from Cook's. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.18  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.15    4 weeks ago

I walked to Taba from Eilat.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.19  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.16    4 weeks ago

It was winter in Canada during my first trip to Israel, which was when I travelled through most of Israel and visited the neighbouring countries, so it was comfortably cool there. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5  author  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

Going to bed now, and I'm locking this for the night.  I'll unlock it when I'm up in the morning.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  author  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

This satirical article is now open for civil commentary.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    4 weeks ago

I dont think satire is the word for this but good luck with it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.1.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    4 weeks ago

Well, maybe it does make a point or two.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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I believe Israel has been the victims of Palestinian terrorists for a long time and they absolutely have the right to defend themselves. I also think the Palestinian people have been victims of Palestinian terrorism as well as, at times, indiscriminate retaliation as they have been caught in the middle of this war. I do not believe having compassion for innocent civilians on both sides makes one an antisemite. And while I had hoped Netanyahu would have been more selective in his retaliation, I do not blame Israel or believe Israel itself committed "genocide". However, the fact remains that an estimated 42,500 Palestinian civilians have been killed including 16,765 children since October 7th of last year and a total of 1,139 Israeli's have been killed. This is a humanitarian crisis no matter how you look at it and the fact that some choose to be so callous toward one side simply because there are terrorists there using them as human shields is rather shameful in my estimation. I applaud Israel for killing the Hamas leader and hope that they can end this conflict and stop the senseless deaths on both sides as soon as possible.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    4 weeks ago

I appreciate your opinion and agree with SOME (but not all) of it.  I realize that I have just wasted my time attempting to establish why Israel must do what it is doing, repeated my arguments and proffered proof over and over, and sure, it's a shame that so many innocents have been killed but IMO it is the fault of Hamas, not Israel.  As well, I don't put credence in the numbers provided by Hamas.  If a person wants to believe that UNRWA is not complicit in assisting the Hamas militants after Israel has provided proof that they have, and that the hospital in the north of Gaza was bombed by Israel when it was then proven that it was actually a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket, then you may as well also believe the numbers provided by the Hamas health ministry that is OBVIOUSLY following the Iran-taught psychological Propaganda warfare that Hamas has performed so beautifully that the rest of the world now despises Israel, and that is bleeding over to affect every Jew in the world.  You can believe what you choose to believe, but I know what I think, and as I've said elsewhere, I've had personal experience with what the Palestinians and Hezbollah do. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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7.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1    4 weeks ago
it was then proven that it was actually a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket

That is why I did not say Israel has killed 42,500 Palestinians, I simply said that an estimated 42,500 Palestinian civilians have been killed as they are caught in between the two forces and as I said they are victims of the Palestinian terrorists as well.

I've had personal experience with what the Palestinians and Hezbollah do.

I have no problem blaming Hamas and Hezbollah for their terrorist acts, and they should be held accountable and brought to swift justice for their crimes. However, what you just said there was to blame all Palestinians as if they are all terrorists just callously lumping them in with the terrorists and I do not agree with that sort of inaccurate and overly broad accusation as I believe that's exactly what led to this kind of conflict. That is the very definition of racism and is what has led to violence against Jews for centuries, but I don't believe that gives justification to return in kind. Clearly you feel wronged and you're entitled to your opinion, but I doubt very much that "the Palestinians" as a collective group, the women, children and babies, were the ones responsible for what you experienced.

“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind” - Gandhi

racism: noun - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.1    4 weeks ago
I simply said that an estimated 42,500 Palestinian civilians have been killed as they are caught in between the two forces and as I said they are victims of the Palestinian terrorists as well.

Yes, as you said just as Hamas has said "an estimated 42,500 Palestinian civilians have been killed", so you too parrot that ONLY civilians have been killed, and the Hamas militants have not been touched, right?  Oh, how successful Hamas' propaganda war has been.

   "However, what you just said there was to blame all Palestinians..."

Yes I generalized "the Palestinians" because I have as much trouble as the IDF in distinguishing those who would rather live peaceful lives as citizens of the world than those whose great desire is to follow the Quran's directive to kill the Jews, so many of those "civilians" had danced in the streets and shared candies to celebrate Oct 7, AND 9/11 OR IS THAT MEANINGLESS TO YOU?   But that doesn't mean I did not know or be friends with Muslims, even Palestinian Muslims. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1    4 weeks ago
As well, I don't put credence in the numbers provided by Hamas.

Yassir Arafat, a former terrorist leader from Egypt, was asked if he ever lied!

His answer was:

If I could kill for my cause, why would I not lie for it?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1.4  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

That's no surprise.  Arafat was the consummate "Palestinian", an Egyptian, just like so many other "Palestinians" who came from elsewhere, who claim that Israel is the land of their ancestry. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.2  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    4 weeks ago
However, the fact remains that an estimated 42,500 Palestinian civilians have been killed including 16,765 children since October 7th of last year and a total of 1,139 Israeli's have been killed. This is a humanitarian crisis no matter how you look at it

I totally agree. 

And as I'm sure many people are aware-- wars are like that. A YUGE amount of innocent civilians get killed!

By both sides!

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7.2    4 weeks ago

. A YUGE amount of innocent civilians get killed!

By both sides!

Most countries try to present the details in a way that make them look good-- and their opponents look like monsters!.

For example, during WWII. the Allied powers talked a lot about the atrocities of the Axis Powers-- but to varying degrees played down, (or totally didn't even mention) their own horrendous war crimes! 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.2.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @7.2    4 weeks ago
"By both sides!"

Well, you know how it is, Krishna, "balance" is more important.  The bleeding hearts are more concerned with balance, because after all, "All's fair in love and war" is NOT applicable when one side is the Israelis.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.2.3  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @7.2.1    4 weeks ago
"Most countries try to present the details in a way that make them look good-- and their opponents look like monsters!."

Hamas is obviously so successful with that it is no worder they refuse to surrender, even though their defeat is inevitable, and even though it would end the war, stop the bloodshed, facilitate adequate humanitarian aid and medical services, and commence the rebuilding but their refusal to do so, but by doing so it furthers their successful psychological propaganda war that is so successful in winning over the bleeding hearts.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.3  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    4 weeks ago
I also think the Palestinian people have been victims of Palestinian terrorism as well as, at times, indiscriminate retaliation as they have been caught in the middle of this war.

One of things to consider is this: While the Gazans have now total self rule, Gaza had been previously occupied by Israel. But the Israel occupation ended-- totally in 2005. That's almost 20 years ago. And in all that time the people have not been able to kick Hamas out of power....obviously a lot of them supported Hamas.

If this had been most countries, the odds are the populace would have gotten rid of their Hamas rulers. But they choose not to. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.3.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7.3    4 weeks ago
If this had been most countries, the odds are the populace would have gotten rid of their Hamas rulers. But they choose not to. 

There's an olde saying:

Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas!.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.4  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    4 weeks ago
This is a humanitarian crisis no matter how you look at it and the fact that some choose to be so callous toward one side simply because there are terrorists there using them as human shields is rather shameful in my estimation.

It was definitely not "simply because they use human shields. That is entirely false!

For starters, Hamas has been using human shiked for years-- decades! This was different!!

Are you by any chance aware of what happened on October 7th? The uniquely horrific terror attack on Israel (which BTW broke a long standing cease-fire). It wasn't an ordinary military attack. Nor even a typical terror attack!

 
 
 
Krishna
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8  Krishna    4 weeks ago

 the Allied powers talked a lot about the atrocities of the Axis Powers-- but to varying degrees played down, (or totally didn't even mention) their own horrendous war crimes! 

When you a chance, (just to add a little perspective to yout comments) you might want to google things like The Firebombing of Dresden..

And as I'm sure you are aware of: in WWII some of the "Good Guys" (AKA the U.S.) decided to drop two YUGE Atomic bombs on the enemy-- an extremely powerful weapon the like of which had never been used in warfare! (Never-- in all of human history).

And of course they deliberately selected two civilian targets-- targets with very large civilian targets.

(Like I said, and as I'm sure you'll agree-- its useful to put things in context, eh?)

 
 
 
Krishna
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8.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @8    4 weeks ago
And of course they deliberately selected two civilian targets -- targets with very large civilian target

There are numerous examples. Here's another one that comes to mind:

As WWII was ending, the 4 major Allied powers had liberated much of Nazi Germany and were all moving toward the capital-- Berlin. (And Hitler was in Berlin).

The actions of one of the Allied Powers (AKA "The Good Guys") was the Soviet Union. And what their soldiers did-- to ordinary German civilians-- was horrendous-- extremely brutal mass rapes and murders.

And this was widespread! jrSmiley_5_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @8    4 weeks ago
"...you might want to google things like The Firebombing of Dresden..

And as I'm sure you are aware of: in WWII some of the "Good Guys" (AKA the U.S.) decided to drop two YUGE Atomic bombs on the enemy-- an extremely powerful weapon the like of which had never been used in warfare! (Never-- in all of human history).

And of course they deliberately selected two civilian targets-- targets with very large civilian targets."

I've done that SO many times already, Krishna, but it falls on deaf ears around here.  Too many Americans don't want to think of themselves as the kind of persons who had IN FACT committed MUCH WORSE atrocities that they blame others for. 

And, of course, nobody has even come CLOSE to admitting that the IDF does what no other army at war has done, warning the civilians with phone calls, emails, dropped leaflets, to get out of harm's way when their area will be targeted.  What army in all of history has done that?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2    4 weeks ago

The bombing of Dresden has been much criticized over the past 80 years. 

Israel-Palestinians is not comparable to world war two though. Germany had invaded over 20 countries  and virtually enslaved many millions of people, not to mention the many millions they had killed. Germany had a massive war machine that was only reduced through the bombing of cities where the factories were located. There was no other way of putting Germany out of business short of waiting until the Allied armies were physically able to enter those areas. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.2  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    4 weeks ago

And because there is no other way of putting Hamas and Hezbollah "out of business" of attacking Israel over and over again forever but to do what Israel is doing.  Let's not forget that Germany surrendered, Japan surrendered.  Why won't Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthies  surrender when it is so obvious that they are going to be defeated?  Why?  Because they KNOW they have won the hearts of the gullible bleeding hearts of the world, and maybe it's really easy to incite antisemitism.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2    4 weeks ago

By the time the atomic bombs were dropped on Japan tens of millions of people around the world had been killed in the war. The bombs, although understood to be extremely powerful, were regarded as just the latest advance in firepower to be used. The atomic bombings were part of the war at the time, not outside of it.  And the atomic bombs saved both American and Japanese lives in the long run because they ended the prospect of a land invasion of the Japanese mainland. 

And as with Dresden, the atomic bombings have come under criticism by some since they happened. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.4  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.3    4 weeks ago

Thank you, JR, for helping to keep my opinions visible for the world to see.  At this point in time, as indicated at the bottom of this page, 442 non-members of NT who are noted at the very bottom of this page have been reading it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.4    4 weeks ago

good

 
 
 
Krishna
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8.2.6  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    4 weeks ago
There was no other way of putting Germany out of business short of waiting until the Allied armies were physically able to enter those areas. 

Correct.

And of course the same is true of the Middle East-- there's no way of putting Hamas "out of business" short of waiting until the Israeli armies were physically able to enter those areas. 

And of course, initially entering the areas didn't stop the problem-- there were many Nazi "true believers"-- hardcore Nazis did not disappear in a day-- brutal warfore went ot bythe during the occupation (the occupation of Germany by the Allies).

 
 
 
Krishna
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8.2.7  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @8.2.6    4 weeks ago
And of course, initially entering the areas didn't stop the problem-- there were many Nazi "true believers"-- hardcore Nazis did not disappear in a day-- brutal warfore went ot bythe during the occupation (the occupation of Germany by the Allies).

More about The Occupation:

The entirety of Germany was occupied and administered by the Allies of World War II, from the Berlin Declaration on 5 June 1945 to the establishment of West Germany on 23 May 1949.

 Nazi Germany was stripped of its sovereignty and former state: after Germany formally surrendered on 8 May 1945, the four countries representing the Allies (the United States, United Kingdom, Soviet Union, and France) asserted joint authority and sovereignty through the Allied Control Council (ACC).

 
 
 
Krishna
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8.2.8  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.3    4 weeks ago
The atomic bombings were part of the war at the time, not outside of it.

Unlike other bombings of Germany, Imperial Japan, at the time-- which were not "part of the war". No-- those other bombing were all "outside of it".

/sarc

 
 
 
Krishna
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8.2.9  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.3    4 weeks ago
The bombs, although understood to be extremely powerful, were regarded as just the latest advance in firepower to be used.

Yes of course-- how silly of me. The two bombs dropped on Japan were really no big deal. Just a relatively minor advance in technology!

(And people are saying that in fact there were really very few Japaese casualties-- the story is all one big exxageration by the evil "mainstream media"!)

 
 
 
Krishna
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8.2.10  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @8.2.7    4 weeks ago
The entirety of Germany was occupied and administered by the Allies of World War II, from the Berlin Declaration on 5 June 1945 to the establishment of West Germany on 23 May 1949.

IIRC, there were no protests against The Occupation (or tents set up) on college campuses protests the Occupation of Germany. No big marches on American streets waving flags of nazi Germany, or oppostion to the Allied occupation by chanting "Free, Free Germany"...

(Why?)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.11  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @8.2.10    4 weeks ago
(Why?)

Why is Israel being vilified more than any other civilized western nation for defending itself and because of the manner in which its enemy is proceeding forcing it to cause civil casualties of war?  The rest of the world seems to prefer that Israel give up, walk away, and then have to suffer attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah over and over again, because that is the alternative and one would have to be unbelievably naive not to realize that.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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9  Bob Nelson    4 weeks ago

For three-quarters of a century, since Israel‘s creation, double standards have been applied.

Observers shed tears (sometimes of the crocodile variety) for the 700 000 Arabs uprooted during the 1947 war. No one ever even  mentions the 700 000 Jews, all across the Arab world, who suffered the same fate.

Those 700 000 Arab refugees were put in camps, behind barbed wire, and have been kept there ever since. Who has kept them in those camps? Not Israel. Their "brother" Arab nations have weaponized the Palestinian people all this time, constantly stirring hatred against Israel.

What about those 700 000 Jewish refugees? They were welcomed by Israel, integrated. 

In fact, of the roughly 10 million refugees who needed resettling after WWII, the only ones who are still "refugees" are the Palestinians, refused succor by their Arab "brothers ".

But hey! Let's blame Israel...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @9    4 weeks ago

Good to see you, Bob, and thanks for that supportive comment.  What I wonder is whether all those Arab/Muslim/Palestinian "refugees" from more than 3/4 of a century ago and then their "refugee" children, and then their "refugee" grandchildren, and then their "refugee" great-grandchildren still in and outside of those camps (not so sure about the barbed wire in the West Bank or Gaza but maybe elsewhere) who are STILL being baby-sat and spoon-fed by UNRWA (a UN organization specifically set up for them alone that no other refugees anywhere in the world can expect to be replicated for themselves) using OUR TAX DOLLARS ever, and I mean EVER, stand up on their own two feet instead of sucking the tit of the rest of the world.  It won't be in MY lifetime, and I doubt even during my grandchildren's.  It's not the Israelis' fault they're not being forced to start walking on their own 2 feet.  But as you said, they will remain being provoked to hate the Israelis and kill the Jews. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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9.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1    4 weeks ago

The barbed wire camps are in Syria and Lebanon, still run by UNRWA. Remember Sabra and Shatilla, where Ariel Sharon lost the moral high ground?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11  author  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

I would like to know if this article is preventing anyone from voting.

 
 
 
George
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11.1  George  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11    4 weeks ago

Both articles allow me to give your comments up votes.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11.1.1  author  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  George @11.1    4 weeks ago

Thanks, George.   Actually, I have four articles on the Front Page, but I can't expect anyone to agree with all of them. 

 
 

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