Father of girl on Afghan robotics team killed in ISIS bombing
This is bigotry I just can not understand on any level. Why are people of faith attacking and killing their own? Why can't they just suffer the loss? And, in the instances of prayers. I just can not relate to this happening.
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(CNN) The father of a member of the Afghan all-girls robotics team that made headlines last month after overcoming US visa obstacles died this week in an ISIS bombing in Herat, Afghanistan.
Afghan authorities confirmed that Mohammad Asif Qaderyan, father of Fatima Qaderyan, was among 36 people killed in Tuesday's attack at a Shiite mosque during evening prayers.
Two suicide bombers blew themselves up after firing on worshippers inside the mosque, a Herat provincial spokesman told CNN.
Sadly, more important than the death of this father and the sorrow of this daughter is the death and destruction internal of this religion. I read, listen, and still can not accept what this picture is telling me.
The only way that I can at least try to understand this, is that some people are born evil. Other than that I simply can't wrap my head around this type of destruction and killing.
Other than that I simply can't wrap my head around this type of destruction and killing.
Mohammad is said to be Al-Insan al-Kamil (the perfect human) or uswa hasana (an excellent model of conduct) (Quran 33:21) Following the path (sharia) of Mohammad is a sure way to heaven.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
If they had yet to leave for prayer, they would still be in the house as it burned.
The prophet deemed a group of his followers' Hypocrites and had them burned alive. There never was a place for those who did not properly submit. See chapter 63 of the Quran, The hypocrites al-Munafiqun. It is rather harsh.
After Mohammad's death, the first rightly guided caliph ( Abu Bakr) started a series of war know as Ridda wars. Also known as the Wars of Apostasy. In his understanding of Islam (submission) They were improperly submitting, so by the use of applied violence (jihad), He gained the submission of fellow human beings unwilling, previously to submit.
Discussion on Ridda wars.
Ridda wars start on page 4
kpr37 with a pagan's perspective.
So, this is about apostasy? Power-plays? Tribalism?
So, this is about apostasy? Power-plays? Tribalism?
How were the men defined by those who killed them? Do you know?
Step one, understand the nature and meaning of the word used, as well as its intent. The word is -"Kafir"- it comes from Surah 109 Al- kafir oon ( the non-believer) Full context, as well and time and place of revelation are explained in the link below.
The Kafir is in point of fact, among things that are taught to be unclean (najis) for theocratic Muslims. As referenced by Quran 9;28
Quranic commentary on verse 9:28
The unbeliever or Kafir is only one step above (or below, depending on point of view) a pig, but is less unclean than urine. This is the reason that is given that non-believers can not enter the "holy" city, Mekka, Saudi Arabia. Explained in the Tafsir linked above.
Direct from the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani's web site. He is a "moderate", he is also America's partner in Iraq. The N.Y. Times thinks he is deserving of the Noble Peace Prize.
Can you name the 14 different classifications of kafir in Islam?
What classifications call for death?
How many classifications call for death?
Are you perturbed at being classified as less than human?
What would you have to do to be classified as deserving death?
kpr37, you are losing my attention. I get the nastiness towards infidels, okay. But this is persistent Muslim on Muslim violence. Blood appearing for the sake of bloodletting. I do not understand the nature of sect against sect.
kpr37, you are losing my attention. I get the nastiness towards infidels,
"Kafir ul-Juhud" is a derogatory term applied to Shias by Sunnis. (not always, but often times) It implies that they know the truth, " Sunnah of Mohammad" but have denied it.
Quran 25:77
(77. Say: "My Lord pays attention to you only because of your invocation to Him. But now you have indeed denied . So the torment will be yours forever.'')
The denial is the Sunnah of Mohammad .The punishment is in this world.
(Say: "My Lord pays attention to you only because of your invocation to Him...'') meaning, He would not care to pay attention to you if you did not worship Him, for He only created mankind to worship Him Alone and to glorify Him morning and evening. His saying:
﴿فَقَدْ كَذَّبْتُمْ﴾
(But now you have indeed denied. ) "O you disbelievers.''
﴿فَسَوْفَ يَكُونُ لِزَاماً﴾
(So the torment will be yours forever.) So your denial will remain with you forever, i.e., it will lead to your punishment, doom and destruction in this world and the Hereafter.
After being told to repent they are killed if they don't submit.
The "O you disbelievers.'' part, is directed at people who were Muslims. But Mohammad just called them kafir oon, plural for kafir.
kpr37, you are losing my attention. I get the nastiness towards infidels, okay.
There is 14 classification of kafir, many apply to fellow Muslims. They are deemed that, by a real or imagined failure to submit in an orthodox manner. Sunni are orthodox 85% Shia are minority 15%
But this is persistent Muslim on Muslim violence.
Muslims are those who submit. Violence has always been the vehicle driving the submission.
Blood appearing for the sake of bloodletting.
The bloodletting is used to gain submission, it is called "jihad fi sabilliallah" struggle in the way of allah. It is an undeniable part of Mohammad's Sunnah.
I do not understand the nature of sect against sect.
I do not understand chemical engineering, could it be because I've never taken the time to study it?
Was I to study it, don't ya think I might get it eventually?
Are the Shia Considered Muslims ? A Balanced Answer
This question–about whether or not the Imami Shia are Muslim–is a very emotional one. The humble author of this article is not qualified to pass verdicts on such matters; however, this article will merely serve as a purview of all the various opinions cited by qualified Sunni scholarship, and to hopefully make sense of it all in a constructive manner.
The truth of the matter is that the answer to this question cannot be a simple “yes” or a “no.” Unfortunately, some “conservative” Sunnis will jump to declare all Shia to be Kufaar (disbelievers) and engage in Takfeer of all Shia they come in contact with
Thank you for your long splattering of an explanation. So. much. empty. space. I am sorry to be critical of that. I realize that copy/paste comes choppy in need of editing.
As to the substance, it appears to me you are saying one sect sees the other as infidels (they should expunge)! How horrible! If there are prayers involved, if not the worshipper, why does the mosque not represent a spirtual 'thing'?
Religion is not inherently evil, but does it seem that Islam has a real problem if prayers can be an opportunity for killing. Not ignoring the fact that violence conflict breaks out between people who say with their lips that they are loving people.
As I write this I am immediately reminded of Dylan Roof who entered a well-established black church and arrogantly murdered people. Though one important difference needs to be made clear, Dylan Roof, was not a religious person of faith.
In the past this nation has suffered mosque and church bombings, so it is not completely innocent of the subject matter. Such acts of hatred are beneath people of faith, in appearances and deeds. It needs to stop now before one more instance is added to history.
I read, listen, and still can not accept what this picture is telling me.
To understand, we need to understand two old philosophies. Realist and Sophisticated. They have always been in conflict. Thucydides was a great opponent of the sophists
source Tufts University .
soph·ist·ry
The Sophists were greatly discredited during the Peloponnesian war.
It exposed the flaws in their philosophy for all to see and many to critique viciously.I have it, if you are interested. It is a good read!!
Many modern progressives advance the same delusional methods of the sophists of old. Today still, despite the obvious faults in their theories of arguments. They change the meaning of common words so the flaws in their way of thinking are not as exposed.
After more than a decade, the war on "terror" ( a tactic) still rages on, with no end visible on the horizon. Three American presidents have now sat in that seat of power, and nothing changed, nor does it look likely to be improving anytime soon. Ask yourself why that is? Can we even hold an intelligent conversation on the subject if we can not define simple words? How much longer do you believe the conflict will continue?
" Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them"
That was because the ideology they saw the world through was flawed, and they could not, or would not admit it.
Some words and their meanings are now still under assault, after more than a decade of conflict. Words that can not mean what they do, otherwise a deeply held, very sophisticated progressive delusion literally falls apart
Jihad:
Using the "logic" of that line of reasoning (sophistry ) what group would Yusuf al-Qaradawi be in, as opposed to say, Mahmoud Mohammed Taha. Who is the radical?
If words do not describe reality, they describe nonsense! open the links and after reading ask yourself who is the "radical" and who is the fundamentalist. In reality, we (secularist) need to support the "radical"
"This is bigotry I just can not understand on any level. Why are people of faith attacking and killing their own? Why can't they just suffer the loss? And, in the instances of prayers. I just can not relate to this happening."
You can't relate to it because Political Correctness has become so extreme that it does not allow anything like it to be published by the mainstream media, or admitted by political leaders, because of fear of retribution and loss of votes. Ignorance is bliss, and savagery rules.
Please elaborate, Buzz. This article by definition is in the news. Moreover, PC is weighed against ignorance of the subject matter, remoteness, and the drastic measures taken (see picture above) by radical adherents. We do not have this problem in the United States and for this I am grateful. It is a horrible problem. Can you shed some light on why it happens in the Middle East?
Look to kpr37's posts and his group for answers why the killing happens, even among different sects of Muslims. My complaint is when European leaders whitewash and hide the terrorist that is happening in their countries they are encouraging the terrorists to continue their violence. Officials are afraid to cite the violence due to fear of being named Islamophobic (example: the police in England who were afraid to do anything about the "grooming" of young girls), and elected officials, by hiding the realities of the violence are eliciting the votes of the terrorists, and those that support them, and the "moderates" as well. Don't forget also that when someone actually does speak up they need security protection because they become targets. Examples: Salmann Rushdie, Anan Ali Hirsi. Merkel will actually put in jail anyone who criticizes Muslims, and when he spoke up about the problem, Geert Wilders was sentenced to a jail term. IMO Obama opened the doors to whitewashing the terrorism by refusing to even use the term "radical Islamic terrorism". Instead it was "workplace violence" and "mental illness". I'm embarrassed to say that my own Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his party are playing into the hands of the creeping caliphate with resolutions about "Islamophobia" instead of relying on general hate crime legislation.
8/7/17
Bloomington Mosque Leader Speaks Out After Blast!
Mohamed Omar, Executive Director of the Dar Al-Farooq Islamic Center in Bloomington, Minn., talks about religious leaders of the community showing support after his house of worship was destroyed by an IED.
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What is quite telling is Dar Al-Farooq details all the religious communities and civic leaders who rushed the same day to offer words and deeds of support for his mosque family. Now, that's "Americanism" at its greatest level! Looking good-US!