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U.S. Diabetes Rates Soaring: CDC

I wonder why???

'Tis truly a mystery

I wonder what the picture and video would be for "Purple Polka Dot Bikini"?

Also, which company lobby would it represent?

U.S. Diabetes Rates Soaring: CDC

I've thought about that too, Krish. I think it is a combination of things.

I've thought about that too, Krish. I think it is a combination of things.

Definitely.

Several very different things.

I could be wrong, but IMO they can all be grouped under two headings:

1. The incredible amount of very clever propaganda we are inundated with by lobbies of greedy corporate interest groups who have absolutely no conscience.

And if that's not bad enough:

2. It interplays with an increasing cultural trend-- the fact that its becoming more & more acceptable for people to not take responsibility for their own lives.

Kids today are influenced to a horrendous degree by both...

they can all be grouped under two headings:

I agree with all of those implications in one and two. It appears to be a very intricate and complex issue.

They say business/corporations, as you imply, started the deception for money for themselves, but look what it is doing for the medical industry, too. I'm not just implying weight; there are skinny young people that are diabetic, born with it and have high blood pressure (that, imo, can be caused by things that people wouldn't suspect) -- but gene mutation might have caused it in the parents - and what caused the mutation in the first place...my guess would be environmental causes - to include viruses and fungus, not just chemicals.

As an aside, I just hope that the Admins. don't approach this issue as a way to make more money for the government, as they are with Ocare...telling what we have to eat and rationing foods to us using some type of card system, then fining us if we're caught growing a food we're not 'supposed to have' or some silly thing.

Actually, I once read someone else suggest that a long time ago..lol..years before Obamacare was enacted. I took it as a joke back then, but it doesn't sound so far-fetched now. ..It's always about the money for 'them.'

I agree with all of those implications in one and two. It appears to be a very intricate and complex issue.

They say business/corporations, as you imply, started the deception for money for themselves,

It started long ago-- ever see this? (Doctors' endorse..):

but look what it is doing for the medical industry, too. I'm not just implying weight; there are skinny young people that are diabetic, born with it and have high blood pressure (that, imo, can be caused by things that people wouldn't suspect)

True. But I was not thinking of that. The big problem is the rapid increase in "Type 2 Diabetes". That's the type that used to be called "Adult Onset Diabetes" (but is now no longer called that as the average age of onset keeps getting younger and younger. Due to ... ehem.. the diabeetic elephant in the room. The bane of the medical lobbies' & food lobbies' existence. The "lifestyle factors")

Type 2 diabetes, once known as adult-onset or noninsulin-dependent diabetes, is a chronic condition that affects the way your body metabolizes sugar (glucose), your body's main source of fuel.

With type 2 diabetes, your body either resists the effects of insulin a hormone that regulates the movement of sugar into your cells or doesn't produce enough insulin to maintain a normal glucose level. Untreated, type 2 diabetes can be life-threatening.

More common in adults, type 2 diabetes increasingly affects children as childhood obesity increases.

Mayo Clinic

This bears repeating: "type 2 diabetes increasingly affects children as childhood obesity increases. "

Krishna, Yes, I knew that type 2 was your focus, and I saw your tag including HFC. I was just suggesting that in both types of diabetes, there could very well be more to it than what we are led to believe. They've been telling us "lifestyle & diet" as the primary causes for years, yet, why do we see so many 'perfect' (./s) [in lifestyle and diet] people getting this disease and other diseases - I think 'the bad stuff' that we eat, do or are contaminated by, may or may not affect us - but probably will our progeny, if there are any.

So, the issue might be less what 'we' do, but what someone else did; and depending on the level of exposure, we could see effects as well. Just my thoughts. (I know doctors bring up genetics, too, but what caused the symptoms seems to be less of a concern - they just want to treat them.) I'm not suggesting people should not be concerned and do whatever they want, either (not that you thought that). I just don't like how the Admin. seems to not want to give consideration to other factors besides lifestyle - to control people's choices.

They've been telling us "lifestyle & diet" as the primary causes for years, yet, why do we see so many 'perfect' (./s) [in lifestyle and diet] people getting this disease and other diseases

So many?

If that is the case, I'm sure you would have no trouble coming up with many links from reliable sources to back them up. (But even one or two would suffice )

Type 2 is a real killer among American Indian people. It is epidemic in scope. Most attribute it to the change in our diets to the processed foods. It is also a huge problem to the indigenous people of the South Pacific. In some area's Indians and Alaska Natives that use IHS (Indian Health Services) report the up to 30% of Indians over the age of 20 have it.

People I've known, mostly from work and social; these weren't case studies I've read. Conscientious people that developed tendencies for allergies, circulatory issues, and diagnosis of diabetes and blood vessel issues, and died in their 40s and early 50s -- why? They were doing everything 'right' as their doctors told them to do. Maybe their heirs died young, or maybe they were exposed to high levels of allergens, or maybe their heirs were...and it's possible that poor lifestyle habits from heirs set them up to be predisposed later in life. I can think of several I've known that died fairly young that were active, skinny and ate what would be considered a healthy diet.

30% over the age of 20 is high. I blame processed foods, too, for the most part.

With the indigenous people of the SP, are you implying chemical exposure from the corps pollution., or processed foods for them as well? Are they eating processed foods?

I don't know much about them, but I believe I've read that that one of the groups with the biggest increase of Diabetes Type II as well as some of the biggest changes of lifestyle are the Pima Indians.

One contributing factor in Diabetes in general s processed food-- they have a much higher glycemic index (causes spike in blood sugar). In addition, they are lower in protective nutrients.

There are claims that a major cause is high glycemic carbs, but apparently high fat intake (regardless of bodyweight) is also major factor.

And exercise (again, even when controlling for bodyweight) seems to be more important than previously realized.

Overweight is also a factor.

So, consider lifestyle changes amongst native groups-- worldwide: considerable increase in junk food and processed food (yielding much less fiber and higher glycemic carbs-- Also less nutrients). Much more fat (ex: McDonalds-- the grams of fat in some products are huge.). And great changes in exercise compared to traditional lifestyle.

Of course not all peoples ate Buffalo. But wild game in general has less fat than domesticated-- especially industrial farm raised. Also wild animals are "grass fed"-- means healthier fat. Plus none of the toxic additives of processed foods.

In addition to healthier meat, their plant food not processed. In fact, lots of plants were also "superfoods": nuts & seeds. berries. green leafies. beans. whole grains.

When you go to the grocery store it's amazing how many wheat products are there. Every single one of them is processed.

True.

However, I think thats true for other grains as well.

BF.. No legumes? Are there any vegetables and/or fruits you eliminate - well, meats too?

By processed foods, I meant things that come in packaging - boxes or plastics, but that's true, nearly everything has been processed in some way - even fruit that's been irradiated.

Actually Krish, it's a problem will all American Indian tribes and Alaska Natives.

Growing up, we lived on wild game, fish and fresh fruit. Various berries etc.

I have escaped the curse of it. I rarely eat fried foods, or processed foods. My diet still consists of wild game, fish and fresh fruits and veggies.

For the Samoans, which I am the most familiar it is processed foods Chloe. The studies that I've read on the problem mostly point their finger at changes in diet for Indigenous people in the U.S. and the South Pacific.

By processed foods, I meant things that come in packaging - boxes or plastics, but that's true, nearly everything has been processed in some way - even fruit that's been irradiated.

It is important to note that there are many degrees of processing. For example, organic rolled oats have been steamed and rolled-- neither of which IMO has any significant effect on health.

Organic whole wheat pasta is also minimally processed. Its not in the original phyical form of the wheat berry but has been shaped into pasta. Again-- processed, but minimally.

If you juice an organic fruit, technically its processed. But that's quite minimal processing. (And if you eat the extracted pulp the nutitional value is the same as the original fruit).

I eat close to 100% organic food, that is not processed (or minimally so)-- so I don't have to worry about added chemicals. irradiation, or GMO (genetically modified). I eat only wild caught Salmon.

Grains are responsible for obesity and the diabetic epidemic and nutritionists still recommend them.

I have heard that opinion.Its very controversial. IMO its false.

Refined/processed grains? Yes. But not whole grains. (In fact, whole grains should form a major staple of a healthy diet).

That was a nice comment, Krishna. I agree that natural foods seem best than anything processed by mixing ingredients together and packaging them. Meat is still a concern to me, but I missed it too much to eliminate it. I'm still on the fence with certain greens - they make me sick; don't know why. But, I love salads, so still eat them sometimes (it's the various lettuces, not the oils - I already know those aren't right for me).

I rarely discuss my opinions on diet because everyone has their own thoughts on what is right to do, and then we might be allergic or have a natural aversion to things -- which I used to think - oh, we just need to get used to it, but now I believe it is real. If it isn't right for us, we'll get sick or have some type of discomfort.

Kavika, Thank you. I was originally thinking they weren't eating the same as we do for some reason, but if they are, then yes - all of those words (e.g. maltodextrin, sucrose, lactose, fructose, maltose and a bunch of others) are in those mixes and other packaged goods they might be buying.

Then there is msg and all of the chemical preservatives that have known side-effects, though, might not be associated with diabetes, but still a concern.

It is important to note that there are many degrees of processing.

Very true - and you also show how word(s) can mean different things to us in general conversation.

It sounds like you are very careful with your diet. I think that is very smart. (I used to be, but am not so much, anymore. I got tired of stressing with every trip to the store, and there aren't any specialty stores here, like WF or TJs, just the major chains. But, this discussion has me thinking about it again. Thank you!)

I'll have to disagree with some of that BF. We eat true ''wild rice'', taken from the rivers and lakes and prepared in the old ways. It is expensive, around $7 to $9 a pound. But I purchase it from northern MN. Fromthe White Earth band of Ojibwe. There are others called wild rice, but it's really ''patty rice''. Although wild, it is not from the natural source.

Actually wild rice, isn't a rice at all, it's a grain.

You sound like you've done your homework and have a very healthy diet BF. I also try to stick to our traditional foods. Red meat, is buffalo, venison and a few others, a lot of wild fruit, berries which we can pick here in the summer time. Pushing 73 years of age and still no type2 or other major aliments.

BF.... Ok, I'm getting it. How about fats? Are you eliminating all *added* oils and animal fats?

No chicken or fish, Kav ?

The wild rice you eat from Mn. isn't a grain, then...is it a plant?

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In the 80s, BF's paleo diet was popular here, and I did something very similar with a lot of eliminations - nothing packaged, but I still ate many of the traditional American meats, fish & poultry. Then I tried a vegetarian diet. Now, I'm back to listening to what my body says instead of my 'learned' brain.