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Is God Pro-Life? CDC Data Shows That Miscarriages Are Almost as Frequent as Abortions

  

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Via:  hal-a-lujah  •  10 years ago  •  33 comments

Is God Pro-Life? CDC Data Shows That Miscarriages Are Almost as Frequent as Abortions

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With catchphrases like “life begins at conception,” the anti-abortion crowd has been relentlessly pushing the personhood of fertilized human eggs for some time now. The moment sperm and egg meet is a magical moment, creating a brand new, single celled baby — and the law simply must preference the interests of that fertilized egg over the woman whose body it resides in, because anything less is the destruction of a baby God was knitting together in the woman’s womb (whether she wanted it or not). It’s murder. Or slavery . Or worse than slavery . Dammit, it’s a new Holocaust . Scratch that — worse than the Holocaust !

Of course, since some fifty percent of these egg-babies don’t even make it as far as implantation, but are naturally terminated before pregnancy officially begins , this has curious implications for the train of thought that “life begins at conception.” Not in the “here’s the starting point, from which eventually a person develops” sense, but in the sense pro-lifers mean it: “egg + sperm + magic = teeny tiny egg baby.” Particularly for religious pro-lifers.

 

If life begins at conception, and any interference with that is murder; but God designed the human reproductive process, part of which includes the termination of half of all the fertilized human eggs, then God is either a really lousy engineer to come up with a mass-extermination-of-human-life bug (oops!) or he’s a killer on an epic scale.

In other words, the hated abortionists have nothing on God. The “Holocaust” resulting from legalized abortion pales in comparison to God’s ongoing “Holocaust” of those egg people.

But the numbers of naturally occurring post-implantation (i.e. during actual pregnancy) terminations in this country are worth noting, too, as they nearly match the numbers of abortions occurring here. New data from the CDC reveals that the rate of miscarriage in recognized pregnancies is very nearly as high as the rate of abortions. Keep in mind that this doesn’t, and can’t, account for pregnancies that end naturally before a woman even realizes that she’s pregnant.


Pregnancies in 2010 included 3.999 million (65.0%) live births, 1.103 million (17.9%) induced abortions, and 1.053 million (17.1%) fetal losses.


Unlike the unseen termination of fertilized eggs, there’s no doubt that many of these miscarriages brought sorrow to prospective mothers and fathers. If this was God’s design, it would be a most unfortunate one — because aside from the continued loss of fetal life, we additionally have the suffering of sentient human beings whose hopes rested on the well-being of that fetal life.

The pro-life scorecard often doesn’t account for the suffering of sentient human beings, though. That’s why we see continued opposition, even in the Republican Party’s platform, to exceptions to abortion restrictions for the life and health of the mother, for rape victims, etc. A fertilized egg is just a smaller person , as one anti-abortion website put it, and so its loss is as morally weighty as the loss of you or I.


True, embryos are smaller than newborns and adults, but why is that relevant? Do we really want to say that large people are more human than small ones? Men are generally larger than women, but that doesn’t mean that they deserve more rights. Size doesn’t equal value.


Whether or not one considers the suffering of the prospective parents, there is a substantial disconnect between the idea of a God who lovingly creates and cherishes every fertilized human egg, and a God who designs a system that destroys those eggs en masse and continues to kill all during the developmental stages. Simply put, if a fertilized egg is a human being, and terminating it is murder, God is directly guilty of fetal murder on an almost unimaginable scale.

The reality is that the reproductive process is brutal to zygotes, embryos, and fetuses; so if you think God designed it, it’s going to be very hard to convincingly argue that he truly cherishes those zygotes, embryos and fetuses…


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Hal A. Lujah
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link   seeder  Hal A. Lujah    10 years ago

"The reality is that the reproductive process is brutal to zygotes, embryos, and fetuses; so if you think God designed it, it’s going to be very hard to convincingly argue that he truly cherishes those zygotes, embryos and fetuses…"

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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link   Robert in Ohio    10 years ago

Is God Pro-Life?

Yes, yes he(she) is!

 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Robert in Ohio   10 years ago

Any thoughts on the article then?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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link   Robert in Ohio  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   10 years ago

Hal

See previous comment for my thought on the article, it asked a question and I answered it.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Robert in Ohio   10 years ago

Your comments indicate that you read no further than the title.  

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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link   Robert in Ohio  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   10 years ago

Hal

Your comment indicates that you are unable to read minds

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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link   Sean Treacy    10 years ago

Do you have a hard time distinguishing between cancer and murder? 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy   10 years ago

Good question.  Why does a loving God allow cancers AND miscarriages?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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link   Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   10 years ago

So you realize the point of this article is lazy and simplistic. Good. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy   10 years ago

The point of the article is in the last sentence, which was my first comment.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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link   Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   10 years ago

All humans die. Some very young, some very old.  Or were you not aware of that? 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy   10 years ago

I'm painfully aware of that.  However, a zygote is no more a human than a sperm is.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   JohnRussell    10 years ago

If life begins at conception, and any interference with that is murder; but God designed the human reproductive process, part of which includes the termination of half of all the fertilized human eggs, then God is either a really lousy engineer to come up with a mass-extermination-of-human-life bug (oops!) or he’s a killer on an epic scale.

In other words, the hated abortionists have nothing on God. The “Holocaust” resulting from legalized abortion pales in comparison to God’s ongoing “Holocaust” of those egg people.

 

I would imagine that the religious people would see the difference as the difference between slipping and falling off a subway platform into the path of an oncoming train, and being pushed by someone into the path of an oncoming train. 

Accidents or illnesses are related to the creation of "free will". If there were no accidents or illnesses free will as we know it could not exist. 

There is also the free will to push someone in front of the train , or abort a baby. 

If there is an eternal , all knowing and all powerful God, it is true that this entity must know the future for all of us and all creation. 

But that doesnt mean WE have to know it. The day we are all going to die may be already ordained , but we still have free will because we don't know that day. 

This is a hard concept for a lot of people to grasp. 

 

 

 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell   10 years ago

What's hard to understand is how anyone could believe that there is a creator who gives a rat's ass about anyone in particular.  Billions of people on this planet, and religious types would have you believe that there's a God who is concerned about things like where Jim Smith of 215 East Main Street in Omaha, Nebraska is putting his penis, or if Yi Chou in Peking China is headed to the abortion clinic to be in compliance with Chinese family policies.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   10 years ago

No one really knows. If there is a God, it could have some connection to the essence of individual people. There are countless individuals who claim to have had mystical and spiritual experiences. 

I would agree that God as Santa Claus sitting in heaven with a long scroll with everyone's name on it is a fairy tale. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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link   Bob Nelson    10 years ago

Good article, Hal. It is clear and precise; the numbers are hard to dispute; the logic is rigorous.

But it won't move the pro-life wackos an inch... because their stance is not based on reason. 

Some time ago, I looked into the question of what percentage of zygotes implant. The answer? More than half do not implant!  

If the pro-life people truly wanted to "save the babies", they would be establishing research programs to learn why all those never-implanted-babies are dying, and what could be done to save them. If "personhood begins at conception", then non-implantation is the greatest hecatomb. 

But the pro-lifers never even mention that half of all babies die this way

One need not be particularly skeptical to see the monstrous hypocrisy of the pro-life movement...

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