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The Tin Can Sailors of Taffy 3 - The Battle of Samar - The Epic Naval Battle of WWII

  

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Via:  kavika  •  7 years ago  •  39 comments

The Tin Can Sailors of Taffy 3 - The Battle of Samar - The Epic Naval Battle of WWII

Naval experts call it the greatest mismatch in U.S. Naval history. The small fleet of Taffy 3 made up of destroyers, destroyer escorts and baby flat tops, did the impossible, they stopped one of the greatest Japanese Armada's in history. Four Battleships, including the super battleship Yamato, eight heavy cruisers and eleven destroyers bore down on this small American fleet the battle in detail follow in the article. 

The bravery of the sailors and airmen of Taffy 3 is something out of a ''Rambo'' movie. Unbelievable, stunning, courageous, without fear hardly begins to describe the epic moment in history. 

Commander Ernest E. Evans, commander of the USS Johnston (destroyer) was awarded the Medal of Honor in this battle and the entire Taffy 3 was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation. 

 This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can. —Lieutenant Commander Robert W. Copeland, commanding officer, USS Samuel B. Roberts. 

The words of Commander Copeland will give you an idea of the odds Taffy 3 faced.

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United States Navy Task Group Taffy-3 was not designed to engage enemy warships in combat. Comprised of just six carrier escorts (basically just ordinary merchant ships, each equipped with a flight deck and a complement of thirty aircraft), three destroyers, and four destroyer escorts, Taffy-3’s primary mission during the American operation to retake the Philippines was to hang around off the coast of Leyte Island and launch ground attack aircraft to support the infantry assault. If a submarine or two came knocking on the door looking for a nice meaty carrier to deep-six, or some stray squadron of Japanese fighter-bombers stuck its nose where it didn’t belong, the destroyers were equipped to handle it.

So, naturally, when Rear Admiral Clifton “Ziggy” Sprague, Taffy-3’s commander, received a frantic radio call from one of his reconnaissance pilots reporting that the largest and most heavily armed assortment of surface-sailing battle cruisers ever assembled was bearing down on a collision course with Taffy-3, he was a little concerned. Unfortunately, there wasn’t a damn thing he could do about it—the Japanese superbattleship  Yamato  was out there, accompanied by three massive battleships, eight cruisers, and eleven destroyers, bearing three-four-zero, range twenty miles, closing fast on his position at thirty knots.

Huh?

 

 

Five minutes later, a trio of armor-piercing shells eighteen inches in diameter threw up a towering wall of water just off the bow of Sprague’s flagship. It had been launched by the  Yamato , the largest battleship ever built in the history of naval warfare—seventy-two thousand tons of steel-plated intimidation equipped with massive cannons that could launch a bullet the size of a Volkswagen over fifteen miles. This heavily armored, virtually indestructible behemoth of imperial justice outweighed the entire Taffy-3 task force  by itself , and those planet-killing guns it was popping off like bottle rockets were more than baller enough to completely vaporize any ship in the American task force with a single round. Meanwhile, the biggest guns in Taffy-3 were the Mark 12 5-inch/38-caliber guns mounted on the decks of the destroyers and destroyer escorts—midsized crew-operated cannons designed for use against aircraft and lightly armored targets like surfaced submarines. A direct hit from one of those things couldn’t have even dented the cooking utensils on the  Yamato .

Of course, it’s not as if that was going to stop the Americans from giving this massive Japanese battleship fleet a hell of a fight.

It should be mentioned here that there was a hell of a lot more at stake here than just those six carrier escorts (although these were to be defended at all costs). Earlier in the day a masterful Japanese feint had succeeded in drawing the entire U.S. Third Fleet away from the Philippines on some wild-goose chase snipe hunt into the middle of nowhere, and with Third Fleet’s unexpected departure the only thing keeping this gigantic Japanese armada from donkey-punching the two hundred thousand American soldiers and marines fighting on Leyte Island in the kidneys with artillery shells the size of refrigerators were the tiny antisubmarine warships of Taffy-3. Defeat here would give Japanese admiral Takeo Kurita’s battleships a free run to annihilate the landing craft and troop transports currently ferrying reinforcements and supplies to the island, massacring an entire division of U.S. Marines in their ships, crippling the operation to retake the Philippines and quite possibly turning the tide of the war in the Pacific back against the Allies.

The men of Taffy-3 weren’t about to let that happen.

 

 

Sprague’s carriers turned east into the wind so they could launch their fighters, then the entire Taffy-3 group turned south and ran toward Leyte as fast as they could go, zigzagging between enemy shells while roughly half of the Japanese navy took potshots at their asses. The destroyers all started pumping black smoke out of their smokestacks in a desperate effort to conceal the carriers from enemy gunners, hanging tight around the ships they’d been ordered to protect as salvos from the unstoppable enemy armada churned up the water around them so hard it looked like they were sailing through a glass of Alka-Seltzer, but it quickly became obvious that running wasn’t going to be enough—the Japanese cruisers could easily haul ass at twice the speed of the carrier escorts, and their guns were more than enough to shred the unarmored carriers as if they were paper targets in a shooting range. And they were closing in fast.

Then, suddenly, out of the black smoke spewed forth by the destroyer screen, burst the bow of the DD-557—the U.S.S.  Johnston . A fifteen-thousand-ton Fletcher-class destroyer on a one-ship suicide run straight into the teeth of the most heavily armed surface fleet ever assembled. It was commanded by Captain Ernest E. Evans, a Creek/Cherokee Indian who had vowed never to take one step back from the Japanese no matter how miserable a situation he found himself in, and now that he was presented with the opportunity to stick it to the enemy this infinitely hardcore warrior brave was launching a freakishly dangerous lone-wolf suicide attack head-on against a twenty-three-ship armada, hoping that his desperate effort to ruin their asses would delay the enemy long enough for his task force to escape.

 

 

Still way out of range for her little five-inch guns or torpedoes,  Johnston determinedly zigzagged at flank speed through a barrage of concentrated fire from twenty-three enemy ships, knowing full damned well that she needed to cross twenty miles of open water to get within range and that a single hit from any enemy ship would rip her hull a new one and send her careening to the ocean floor in minutes. Still, seemingly completely oblivious to any form of danger, Captain Evans raced on.

Six squadrons of American fighter-bomber aircraft screamed through the air over  Johnston , making their way toward the Japanese fleet despite a hail of tracer fire and airburst shrapnel exploding all around them. Undaunted by a sky full of explosions, bullets, and other horrible crap capable of disintegrating the fuselage of even the toughest aircraft like a wet paper towel in a bowl of sulfuric acid, the Avenger attack craft and Hellcat fighters streaked in at two hundred miles an hour, strafing the enemy ships with everything they could bring to bear—which wasn’t all that much, considering that these planes had been kitted out for antipersonnel and antisubmarine warfare and the ground crews hadn’t had time to rearm them with something more useful. But the American pilots didn’t give a crap—with literally five hundred heavy machine guns and antiaircraft cannons ripping up the skies around them, Avenger pilots were dropping depth charges on heavy cruisers and Hellcat fighters were diving out of the clouds to strafe armored battleships with .50-caliber machine guns, just hoping that maybe they could maybe just shoot someone important or knock out some critical piece of exposed equipment.

 

 

Back on the ocean surface,  Johnston  had somehow miraculously made its way through the carnage and closed within range to begin its attack. Desperate for delicious vengeance and single-mindedly intent on doing as much damage as its armament would allow,  Johnston  opened up on the lead Japanese heavy cruiser, blasting all five of her five-inch guns at the  Kumano , a hulking warship that outweighed the little  Johnston  by a factor of seven. Undeterred,  Johnston  ripped off two hundred rounds of five-inch ammunition in just five minutes, hammering the enemy superstructure, destroying a couple of her heavy gun mounts, and then following that flurry of blows up with a ten-torpedo salvo that smashed into  Kumano 's balls, ripped her hull up, and blasted off her bow, splitting the cruiser force’s flagship nearly in half. First blood had been drawn, and it was Little Mac getting the Star Power uppercut on Mike Tyson himself.

Having now expended all of her torpedoes—the only weapons capable of legitimately damaging the enemy heavies— Johnston  cranked the emergency brake, turned about, and started screaming ass back toward Taffy-3, still blasting hundreds of rounds from her five-inch cannons at anything with a rising sun emblazoned on the hull.

Unfortunately,  Johnston ’s luck finally ran out, and, at extreme close range with the enemy she took a direct hit from the ridiculously massive Japanese battleship  Kongo . Heavy sixteen-inch shells punched through  Johnston ’s hull, destroyed a boiler, and cut the American ship’s speed in half. Another round from a heavy cruiser then smashed into the crippled American ship, igniting a magazine of forty-millimeter antiaircraft ammunition that exploded and spewed shrapnel across several decks, and then yet another round from some other enemy ship slammed directly into the ship’s bridge, snapping the mast and destroying her communications and radar capabilities. Captain Evans lost two fingers and took a ridiculous spray of white-hot burning metal shrapnel to his face, chest, and hands, but this tack-eating hardcase just got up, dusted himself off, walked out to the deck like he didn't even notice half his body was burning, and kept shouting orders, commanding his ship even though his shirt had been blown off like when James T. Kirk fought the Gorn lizard man Captain on the surface of that asteroid.

 

 

Overhead, the Avengers and Hellcats continued their strafing attacks, diving down at high speeds on the enemy, releasing their ship-humping bomb loads, then pulling out of their dives and trying not to black out from the ferocious amount of Gs that were trying to crush their skulls. The cruiser  Suzuya  was hit with two air-to-ground bombs and badly damaged, pulling out of formation alongside the similarly crippled  Kumano . Even the pilots whose bomb bay holds had been loaded with propaganda leaflets and other useless objects found a way to contribute to the battle—these guys opened their (empty) torpedo bays and made fake torpedo runs on the enemy cruisers—the Japanese, of course, didn’t know that these pilots weren’t carrying weapons, and were forced to take evasive maneuvers just in case, throwing them off their game and buying the American fleet just a little more time to make their escape.

Inspired by the example of the  Johnston , the rest of Taffy-3’s destroyer screen soon decided, Screw it, these guys aren't going to have all the fun, we’re also going to join the fight and get in on some of this sweet sweet asskicking goodness. The American destroyers  Heerman  and  Hoel  threw themselves through the smoke screen into battle, joined by the destroyer escort  Samuel B. Roberts —a supertiny, superslow, lightly armed, virtually unarmored antisubmarine ship that under any other circumstances would stand up about as well in toe-to-toe surface combat with an imperial battleship as a paddle-operated swan boat crewed by two guys with steel helmets and nine-millimeter handguns. To give you some indication of scale here, the splashes of water thrown up by off-target Japanese battleship rounds were taller than the mast of the  Roberts .

As the second American attack wave closed to torpedo range, they passed the crippled  Johnston , still trying to limp back to the carriers. The bleeding, half-dead Captain Evans was standing at attention on the deck saluting them as they hurtled toward almost-certain death. After the destroyers had passed him, Evans gritted his teeth, got pumped up out of his mind, and ordered the  Johnston  to turn around and go  back into the fray , bringing up the rear of the formation and providing covering fire with whatever ammo was left in her five-inch guns despite the ship basically just being held together by duct tape and bumper stickers at this point.

The American destroyers steamed flank speed through the deadly spray of enemy artillery shells straight into the midst of the Japanese formation, their assortment of antiaircraft and antisubmarine guns blazing for everything they were worth. The  Hoel  launched her torpedoes at the battleship  Kongo  but missed, then started trading point-blank salvos with the gimongous imperial cruiser  Haguro —a losing proposition on the best of days, let alone when you’re outnumbered twenty-three to three. The  Heerman  charged straight into four Japanese battleships, hitting them with a barrage of fifty-four-pound shells from its five-inch guns, and then fired seven torpedoes at the behemoth  Yamato . The imperial flagship, seeing more than a half-dozen torpedoes streaking through the sea toward her, peeled off to evade, a maneuver that sent the ship—and Admiral Kurita—sailing out of the battle in the wrong direction. Kurita, observing the battlefield in his rearview mirror and realizing he wasn’t going to be around to command and control the action, simply ordered a “general attack,” meaning basically every Japanese captain was on his own to figure out what the hell he was supposed to be shooting at.  Heerman  then hit the battleship  Haruma  with another torpedo barrage, damaging her hull with a high-explosive underwater kick to the junk. The little  Samuel B. Roberts  got involved as well, closing with the heavy cruiser  Chokai , hammering it with torpedoes, and trading gunfire with it at point-blank range. The  Roberts  was so small that at such a close range, the  Chokai  couldn’t depress its guns low enough to hit it, allowing  Roberts  to get in some sweet shots at  Chokai ’s soft peanut-buttery underbelly.

 

 

As the swirling ship-to-ship free-for-all melee ensued, with three tiny American destroyers engaging a dozen enemy heavy cruisers and battleships at extreme close range, Captain Evans noticed that a group of five Japanese destroyers—ships comparable in size and weaponry to the  Johnston —had peeled off from the enemy formation and were preparing to make a torpedo attack on the American carriers.  Johnston  was crippled and without electrical power (the engine had to be hand-cranked by two strong men while ocean water seeped into the engine room around them), but Evans knew she was the only ship with any prayer of making it there in time. He ordered his ship to turn and attack, diving straight into the formation, guns blazing, firing madly despite being outnumbered five to one by ships in much better fighting shape than his. In his desperate charge, Evans successfully threw the entire Japanese destroyer column off course as they reacted to the heavy shells pounding into their hulls, distracting their aim and sending their entire torpedo complement sailing well wide of the American carriers.

Back in the gun battle now engulfing the seas off Samar Island, the destroyer escorts  Dennis Raymond , and  John C. Butler  also steamed ahead and joined their sister ship  Samuel B. Roberts , powering straight into the teeth of the epic naval duel that now raged across the ocean. The tiny American ships did everything they could to get in the way of the Japanese heavies and keep them away from the carriers, firing with everything they had as planes were diving in and out all over the place blasting away with their guns and bombs. The  Heerman  was trading fire with two heavy cruisers at point-blank range,  Hoel  was fighting for her life against impossible odds as three warships hammered her from different sides, and the little  Samuel B. Roberts  was firing at a rate that would see her expend six hundred rounds from her two guns in the span of just an hour, most of them hammering the heavy cruiser  Chokai  so hard it actually somehow knocked her out of the battle.

For the next hour the fighting was fast and furious, but the situation was getting darker and darker by the minute. The  Heerman  and the destroyer escorts damaged the cruiser  Chikuma , which turned to escape and was promptly torpedoed into a coral reef by Avenger aircraft, but aside from that, things were slowly starting to turn against the American fleet.  Heerman  then took a round to the bridge, but continued to fight despite being totally on fire and boxed in by a trio of Japanese destroyers.

 

 

Swarmed by battleships and cruisers, the  Hoel  was hit by the battleship  Kongo , a trio of heavy fourteen-inch shells smashing her aft engine and guns and rendering her navigation system inoperable.  Hoel , virtually dead in the water, still continued on and opened fire with her final torpedoes—aimed manually because the electronics were all toast—the torps striking the cruiser  Haguro , detonating some of her lower decks, and forcing her to peel out of formation. But  Hoel  was in deep trouble. Unable to evade her attackers and with most of her weapons either depleted of ammunition or broken beyond repair,  Hoel  was struck forty times during the one-hour battle and smashed to bits. The captain finally ordered the crew to abandon ship, but the  Hoel ’s gun crews refused, still firing as the ship sank beneath them, reloading the guns manually because the ammo lifting machines were offline.  They were finally silenced only when an enemy round went into the magazine and blew up the ammunition stores. The little  Roberts  was hit as well, a three-round salvo of massive armor-piercing shells forcing her to call to abandon ship, putting an abrupt end to her heroic struggle.

Back in the carrier fleet the American carrier  Gambier  Bay  became the only U.S. carrier ever sunk by surface fire after taking a stray round from a Japanese battleship. Though the  Kalinin Bay  was struck fifteen times by enemy shells, she kept floating, which is impressive considering that it only takes five hits to kill a carrier in a game of Battleship, but aside from those two setbacks the rest of the escort carriers continued their desperate sprint to safety, taking full advantage of the brave destroyer escorts now sacrificing themselves to save the day. A second torpedo run by Japanese destroyers was thwarted by quick maneuvering on the part of the escort carriers and by some heroic sharpshooting pilots shooting the torpedoes out of the water with machine gun fire while hauling ass at two hundred miles an hour.

Elsewhere on the battlefield,  Johnston  was valiantly fighting her last stand, firing wildly in every direction, surrounded by four destroyers hammering the superstructure without mercy. Finally, with all of her guns knocked out and her engines flooded, Evans gave the abandon ship order, then subsequently vanished from history, never to be seen again. As the Japanese destroyers sailed off to rejoin the rest of the battle, their men came on deck and saluted the American sailors as they floated in the water.

 

 

In a two-and-a-half hour melee off the coast of Samar Island, the Americans lost four ships—the destroyers  Johnston  and  Hoel , the destroyer escort  Samuel B. Roberts , and the escort carrier  Gambier  Bay . The Japanese, who had gone into the battle with an unimaginably more powerful force, suffered similar losses—two heavy cruisers were dead ( Chokai  and  Chikuma ) two more were badly damaged ( Kumano  and  Suzuya ), and the battleship  Haruma  sustained severe damage to her superstructure and hull. Deciding that his attack wasn’t worth the losses he was taking—and realizing that reinforcements were rapidly approaching in the form of fresh American fighter aircraft and warships—Admiral Kurita called off the attack. Taffy-3 had somehow held off the largest gunship fleet ever assembled, and they’d done it with just six escort carriers and seven destroyers.

Taffy-3 suffered 792 men dead and 768 wounded, and those men who had abandoned ship were stuck spending seventy hours in shark-infested waters before being rescued. But, against all odds, they had accomplished their mission—the carriers and the Leyte landing craft were safe, and the Japanese Center Force had been turned back in one of the most heroic naval battles ever fought. The entire unit received the Presidential Unit Citation, and Captain Ernest E. Evans of the USS  Johnston  was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

Throughout the Battle off Samar, Admiral Kurita had thought he’d been fighting fleet carriers escorted by American heavy cruisers. He had no idea he was actually fighting units half that size.

 

 

 


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Commander ERNEST EDWIN EVANS U.S. Navy 
Commanding Officer USS JOHNSTON (DD 557)



MEDAL OF HONOR
posthumously

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Commander Ernest Edwin Evans, U.S. Navy, 
was posthumously awarded 
our nations highest military honor....
At left, wearing her late-husband's MOH, his wife, 
Margaret Bell Evans and her two sons, 
view the citation signed by President Harry S. Truman.

The Medal of Honor....

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"I intend to go in harm's way.... 
I have a fighting ship and I will never retreat from an enemy force..."

Quote, CDR E.E. Evans, USN, October 27, 1943 at 
USS JOHNSTON's commissioning

Born: 13 August 1908, Pawnee, Oklahoma.
Other Navy awards: Navy Cross, Bronze Star Medal.

 

The President of the United States in the name of the Congress
takes pleasure in presenting the

MEDAL OF HONOR to

Commander
ERNEST EDWIN EVANS
United States Navy

for service as set forth in the following

CITATION

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as commanding officer of the U.S.S. JOHNSTON in action against major units of the enemy Japanese fleet during the Battle off Samar on 25 October 1944. The first to lay a smokescreen and to open fire as an enemy task force, vastly superior in number, firepower and armor, rapidly approached. Commander Evans gallantly diverted the powerful blasts of hostile guns from the lightly armed and armored carriers under his protection, launching the first torpedo attack when the JOHNSTON came under straddling Japanese shellfire. Undaunted by damage sustained under the terrific volume of fire, he unhesitatingly joined others of his group to provide fire support during subsequent torpedo attacks against the Japanese and, outshooting and outmaneuvering the enemy as he consistently interposed his vessel between the hostile fleet units and our carriers despite the crippling loss of engine power and communications with steering aft, shifted command to the fantail, shouted steering orders through an open hatch to men turning the rudder by hand and battled furiously until the JOHNSTON, burning and shuddering from a mortal blow, lay dead in the water after 3 hours of fierce combat. Seriously wounded early in the engagement, Commander Evans, by his indomitable courage and brilliant professional skill, aided materially in turning back the enemy during a critical phase of the action. His valiant fighting spirit throughout this historic battle will venture as an inspiration to all who served with him."

/signed/
HARRY S. TRUMAN, President


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Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika     7 years ago

Midway and the Coral Sea come to most people's mind when great naval battles of WWII are mentioned. Samar was a battle within a battle. 

The battle of Leyte Gulf was major, but inside of that the Battle of Samar is a epic moment in American and Naval history. 

 

 
 
 
Enoch
Masters Quiet
link   Enoch  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Dear Friend and Blood Brother Kavika: TY for the head up.

This is indeed a must read.

I could not and never can be prouder to be an American than when I read of the valor, sense of duty, and willingness to sacrifice for the greater good from soldiers, sailors, marines, cost guard, air men etc. 

Where ever they are on the political spectrum, they are and remain the best of us.

Great seed, my good and close friend.

Peace, Abundant Blessings, and Good Summer Fishing on the Lake.

Enoch.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Enoch   7 years ago

Thanks niijii, it does make one proud when you read of the courage in the face of all odds...

They truly are the best of us.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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link   Raven Wing     7 years ago

It was indeed one of the most impressive and unbelievable US Naval battles in US history. My Mother's Cousin was in the Navy during WWII and was stationed aboard a Destroyer Escort. Those are not exactly large ships, as my Brother was also stationed aboard one prior to the Vietnam war when he was transferred to a PT Boat during his two tours of duty there. So I know they are not all that large. But, what they lack in size they make up for in maneuverability.

My Cousin had served with some of the men who were aboard the ships during that attack and it was considered a suicide mission by all. But, one that would help save many lives in the long run. The fact that the men and ships were able to do what they did and survive was truly a testament to their love of country and determination to survive. I can't begin to imagine the fear that those men felt knowing what they were up against, and the odds that were against them succeeding.

But.......as the saying goes.."Where there is a will.....there is a way. And all those brave men proved it in the most amazing way.

It may not have been one of the biggest battles in history, but, it is one of the most impressive and amazing ones. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Raven Wing   7 years ago

The Battle of Leyte Gulf is consider the largest Naval engagement in WWII and by some criteria the largest Naval battle in history. 

There were four major battles within the Battle of Leyte Gulf with Battle of Samar being one of the four. 

Taffy 3 has gone down in history as the Navy finest hour, amid many others it stands out for the sheer overwhelming odds that it faced, and amazing fight that Taffy 3 put up...

Thanks for taking the time to read and enjoy the article RW.

 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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link   Raven Wing   replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

You're very welcome, Kavika. Members of my family have been part of American military as far back as my Great-Great Grandfather and beyond, serving in all various branches of the military. I find that the history of many of the battles that have been fought, both at home and abroad, large and small, have been won against odds that would surely mean defeat. But, the sheer determination and bravery of those who fought made the difference in the outcome of those battles. 

Taffy 3 is just one such outstanding historical event that demonstrates that fact. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Raven Wing   7 years ago

''Taffy 3 is just one such outstanding historical event that demonstrates that fact.''

Indeed it is RW. 

 

 
 
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
link   Buzz of the Orient    7 years ago

Having now read that story, glued to it to the end, I have to ask: Why hasn't it been made into a movie?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika     7 years ago

It my understanding that talks are taking place currently to see what can be done into making it a movie Buzz.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Buzz, I did a search and found this about making a movie of this battle.

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser    7 years ago

I first read about the battle of Leyte Gulf in Herman Wouk's book War and Remembrance.  What a fantastic job they did!  

Thanks for this!

 
 
 
Kavika
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link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Dowser   7 years ago

Your welcome dowser.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 years ago

Kavika,

I never even heard of this battle much less know anything about it. And to think that this was the largest naval battle is something else. I thought it was Midway. 

 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

It was the Navies finest hour Perrie. Undaunted courage in the face of overwhelming odds. 

The words of Captain Copeland are words to remember.

 This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can. —Lieutenant Commander Robert W. Copeland, commanding officer, USS Samuel B. Roberts. 

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

They did plenty of damage!  They made Kurita  turn back!  Bravo to them!!!

I wish Evans had lived, but I remember seeing his name on MOH roster at the USS Enterprise, or whatever the name of the ship, in Charleston, SC.  So many names I recognized!  I wanted to salute, but as a civilian, I was afraid I'd piss someone off, so I put my hand over my heart and said a prayer for them...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Dowser   7 years ago

That would be the USS Yorktown, Dowser.

I visited there two years ago and saw the MoH hall of fame..Inspiring 

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Thanks, Kavika!  I would have never remembered that!  

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
link   Spikegary    7 years ago

Epic story of bravery and patriotism in front of vastly overwhelming odds.  There's a reason they were called our greatest generation.  I can't imagine that kind of dedication in today's world, at least not here.  Let's hope it never needs to be awoken again.

BTW, soft peanut butter underbelly?  Very nice turn of phrase!  Always a pleasure to read your words.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Spikegary   7 years ago

I tried to put myself in Taffy 3 position at their moment of decision. 

Commander Evans suicide run at the largest armada in WWII set off a chain of events that may never be equaled. 

A destroyer against four battleships, heavy cruisers and destroyers is the stuff of legend. 

And the fly boys attacking with the wrong type of bombs and some with no bombs at all..Amazing. 

Hard to imagine that type of courage. 

I thought that when the USS Johnston was dead in the water and sinking the Japanese destroyer sailing by and the Captain saluting her was the highest from of honor between warriors.

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Similar to the salute that the North gave to the south, at Appomattox.  Things like that make me tear up, for sure!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
link   Raven Wing   replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

There is no shame in honoring the bravery and courage of an opponent in a battle well fought. There are truly no winners or losers in war, there is a price to pay on both sides. The sincere honor the Japanese Captain showed in saluting the brave men on the USS Johnston as it was slowly sinking spoke volumes of the high esteem he felt for those aboard her faced the great odds against them with such true courage.  

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser  replied to  Raven Wing   7 years ago

I think the Japanese, as a culture, understand this, and saluted the brave men who did their best to defeat them...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
link   Raven Wing   replied to  Dowser   7 years ago

I totally agree, Dowser. There are many cultures as well as the Japanese where honor is considered above all else, even in the defeat of a courageous opponent.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Spikegary   7 years ago

That wasn't my phrase Spike. I only wrote bits and pieces of the article. The author is a ex military guy that has a blog entitled ''bad ass of the week''...

 
 
 
jhboulton
Freshman Silent
link   jhboulton    7 years ago

My dad was CGM and gun captain for #2 Gun Turret aboard the Heermann DD-532 at Samar. He got a commendation for repairing the gun while wounded. He was also onboard the USS John D Ford DD-228 in The Asiatic Fleet. He was GM2 when the war started and The USS Ford led a group of four WWI destroyers into the battle of Balikpapan on Jan 23-24 1942 It was the first US Naval Surface Action (since Dewey sunk the Spanish Fleet in 1898), and after sinking five ships they escaped with only the Ford slightly damaged . He was in most of the battles of The Asiatic Fleet and one of the few survivors. He was fast tracked to Chief Gunners Mate, and fought in most of the battles to retake what The Asiatic Fleet lost to the Japanese at the beginning of WWII. His Name Was James Hiram Boulton JR and he was killed while riding his bicycle in 1994.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  jhboulton   7 years ago

A salute to your father, CGM James Hiram Boulton JR. Part of America's Greatest Generation.

Welcome to NT jhboulton.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Is your avatar a photo of your father?

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser  replied to  jhboulton   7 years ago

I know you miss your father very much-- and that nothing I can say will help.  But, he was a brave man, and a good man.  Welcome to NT!

 
 
 
jhboulton
Freshman Silent
link   jhboulton    7 years ago

Yes, that's my dad after Samar. I am very proud of him and wish I had been able to tell him. Unfortunately, he never once mentioned the horror he went through during the opening weeks of WWII in The Asiatic Fleet aboard the Ford and only told humorous story's about Leyte. I only got some of the truth from him the night before I was to enlist into the Marines back in 1966. He begged me not to join and recounted what he saw at Tarawa, Iwo Jima, and Guam. I enlisted in the Navy and figured he probably saved my dumb ass.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  jhboulton   7 years ago

My father was in the Marines and hit the beach at Tarawa. Like you, I am very proud of him. 

There is a good chance that he did save your dumb ass.  

Thanks for the information and again welcome to NT.

 
 
 
jhboulton
Freshman Silent
link   jhboulton    7 years ago

The Heermann was close off shore at Tarawa giving fire support to marines speaking to them  by radio. They lost all contact with the marines, early on. That evening, with bullets pinging off the side of the ship, The captain called for a volunteer to take a radio in a raft to the Marines. A man did volunteer but he never returned and the radio was lost. I salute your dad, I have read all the stories I could get my hands on about the marines job on those beaches. To incredible for the human mind to contemplate and make any sense of it. I am in the research part of writing the story of dad's incredible journey through World War II. It is similar to Forrest Gump as he was present at most of the historic moments of the war. I am telling the Enlisted mans story as the officers got most of the awards and he was mostly in it just for the ride. It encompasses two David Versus Goliath WWII battles The raid on Balikpapan and The Battle off Samar. It also mentions the last Kamakazi shot down by the Heermann unfortunately a couple of hours after hostilities were ended.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  jhboulton   7 years ago

In doing your research you might want to read the book, ''Always Faithful'' the first War Dogs of the Marines by Wm. Putney...It is about the battle for Guam and the heroics of the War Dogs and they Marine handlers. 

There probably isn't anything in the book that will help your research, but it's an amazing piece of Marine history that little was known about. 

 
 
 
deepwaterdon
Freshman Silent
link   deepwaterdon    7 years ago

Little late getting to this read, K. Thanks. My father was Chief Engineer on an LST, from Pearl Harbor until the end of the war. He was at most of the major engagements throughout the Pacific theatre. Asked him a few times what it was like. Only response was he did his job.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  deepwaterdon   7 years ago

A salute to your dad, dd. 

 
 

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