Someone send out a search party. There are thousands of missing examples of antifa violence
Another newstalkers seed is locked . I was going to post this as a response there but that option is foreclosed.
We are led to believe that antifa violence is ubiquitous. More or less everywhere, a constant threat to the life and limb of decent Americans.
There are 20,000 cities and towns in America. Trump has been president (the triggering of antifa) for 230 days. So there have been 4,600,000 opportunities for antifa to cause mayhem on the streets of America (the dirty bastards).
How many such violent occasions have there been? 6. Clearly antifa is laying down on the job.
Let's recalculate. Let's say that antifa might be moved to violence in only 1 out of every 100 cities or towns, and they decide to only rampage on the weekends. (28% of the days of the week) That leaves us with 12,880 days and places where there could have been antifa violence . Instead there were 6.
We can reduce the opportunities by another 99%. That leaves us 128 times that surely a maniacal outfit like antifa would have fomented mindless anarchic violence just for the pure fuck of it.
Instead of the measly 128 though there have been.....6. Where is the anarchy in that?
And the SIX instances have been in response to something else that they perceive from what they call "fascists".
This faux right wing media and social media fueled outrage about antifa may have its brief day in the late summer sun, but it will soon wane , and we will still have Trump. The far worse problem for the psychological health and morale of our nation.
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I find it interesting that the folks in that article that is locked down - are claiming that anti-fa are terrorists. How ridiculous!
Perrie herself said that both sides were evil. I heartily disagree!
Ah, I love being called out.
I stand by what I said. Terrorism is the act of disturbing the course of daily actions. Antifa has done that, but destroying property. But my comment is being used as a faulty if/ then statement.
I am not saying that antifa is the same as the white supremacists. They can't be. Their goals are different.
And for the record, I despise white supremacists. But I don't advocate the methods used by Antifa.
Dr. King had the right idea.
Also, not everyone who protests against white supremacists are antifa. They are just people who are taking a stand. And being there doesn't mean that they deserve to die.
I hope that clarifies my position.
I hope that clarifies my position.
"Both sides do it."
You are not worth the time to talk to. I won't make that mistake anymore.
I disagree with you because I don't believe anti-fa are terrorists and I don't believe they're evil.
They destroy public and private property. That is not good by any standard.
That doesn't make them terrorists or evil though.
That doesn't make them terrorists or evil though. Also, which public and private property have they destroyed?
Here watch this video:
What does destroying Starbucks, and banks have to do with the alt right?
I hesitate to look at your link. Who originally posted it?
The footage speaks for itself. I don't know the group, but it seems to be in favor of this video, since the video that followed talked about getting even with fascists.
In any event, it clearly shows that they were destroying property.
I don't have the time to watch a 19:00 minute video but thanks anyway.
WHY?
Cause it destroys your logical position?
And it was posted by an Antifa supporter?
(that is such a common position that it only rates four laughers)
No because I don't have time to watch a 19 minute video.
It happens within the first 5 min with a pile of other reporters catching the same footage.
Perrie, I need to apologize to you for dismissing your video and disputing the source. I just watched it and these anti-fa activists were quite stupid in these seemingly random acts of destruction of public and private property. They are not making any sense or any points for their 'cause' this way. This is giving the true extremists, for lack of a better word, fuel for the fire. And these extremists are having everyone think that these anti-fa morons are wreaking world wide destruction. They don't strike fear in me and I doubt they strike fear in anyone. I don't think they're evil and in my humble opinion calling them terrorists might be stretching it a bit so I respectfully agree to disagree with you on that part of it. I hope you'll accept my apology.
Thank you Tessylo for that apology. I know you don't know me yet, but I have no agenda here.
I agree that their actions bring excuses for their counterparts. It also makes it easy to dismiss concerns about them. You know, the old two wrongs make a right argument.
Anyway, glad we got past that.
Well I'll tell ya how it looks to everyone out here.
First, the source was an issue, clearly implying that if it wasn't from an "approved" source you wouldn't watch it.
An antifa supporter is an "approved source"
Second, it is clear even seeing the face still of the video shows the destruction wrought by Antifa, it plays like a recruitment video.
Extrapolation of those two facts?
It destroys your logical argument.
Further extrapolation?
There is no need to watch the video cause you already know this, hence the refusal/claim that you cannot watch a 19 minute video.
Conclusion?
Taking on the site owner? and refusing to take your medicine when she hands you your ass?
Priceless.
Have a nice day.
Whatever dude. How did Perrie hand me my ass? Because I didn't want to look at the video? Allrightythen.
Whatever dude. How did Perrie hand me my ass? Because I didn't want to look at the video? Allrightythen. You also like to put words in my mouth and make lots of assumptions - you know what they say about assumptions, right?
Whatever dude. How did Perrie hand me my ass? Because I didn't want to look at the video? Allrightythen. You also like to put words in my mouth and make lots of assumptions - you know what they say about assumptions, right?
Someone's been reading the dictionary - I'm so impressed with your extrapolations and conclusions. Again, whatever!
Look, I am not here to hand anyone their ass. I am here to have a discussion with open minded people. I don't know why that is so hard to do.
I'm bowing out.
Maybe you should ask nowhere man to stop speaking for you. I'm not here to argue either.
Maybe you should ask nowhere man to stop speaking for you.
Stick around a while and you will learn that NO ONE speaks for Perrie. If I was, she would have handed me my ass.
And I didn't put words in your mouth either, I just analyzed your logic for refusing.
Quite simple really.
Quit while you are behind NM, no one is required to watch a 19 minute long video.
I'm behind?
Thank you for letting me know, need to hit the accelerator and get back in the lead....
But do me a favor John, tell me where the race is?
I agree with one thing you said, Perrie doesn't need your help.
Didn't say you were girl, and pretty much everyone knows this. I was speaking from the point of view of an observer watching the exchange.
So pretty much everyone knows this - according to you?
Yeah pretty much, anyone who has been here longer than a few weeks should have deduced it by now.
"Yeah pretty much, anyone who has been here longer than a few weeks should have deduced it by now."
I'm so impressed. Comment removed for CoC violation [ph] Good for you!
And a typical liberal resorts to insults when they cannot carry a conversation.
My job is done....
OMG.. this is such a stupid discussion. I feel like I am back in the classroom, and I have to tell the kids to knock it off. I said I was bowing out .. I wasn't taking a shot at anyone. I don't do that. Can we just leave it as that?
I know you weren't taking shots at anyone!
Alas! This 19 minute video is disturbing to me, but only in the first "segment" outside breaking and trashing materials. The indoor struggles and confrontations are expression par for the course.
Outside on the street, Antifa and "Peaceful Streets" violated an unofficial rule of progressivism, that is: Keep one's hands to one's self. Do no harm.
This is an appalling video compilation. Antifa makes the Klan and Neo-Nazi's appear almost dignified fornot showing their faces. That said, Antifa can not lessen the racists backgrounds and scourge that are the Klan and Neo-Nazis who are known to carry guns and sufficient ammunition on-site.
Anyone that tries to change other peoples actions/minds through tactics made to terrorize people are by definition Terrorists.
Regardless of the author's predilection with the 'Right', these people, masked, attack others, destroy property, etc., in hopes of achieving their goals. They are Terrorists.
The fact they do it to suppress speech makes them terrorists.
The fact they do it to suppress speech makes them terrorists.
No. It makes them ignorant to our constitutional rights. Let's not confuse why I call them terrorists. And btw.. I never called them evil to my recollection.
To my recollection you did call them evil but I think that post has been closed now.
They are easily found in the forum under news and politics.
Terrorism is the act of disturbing the course of daily actions
Except that it's not.
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
terrorist
play \-ər-ist\ adjective or nounterroristic
play \ˌter-ər-ˈis-tik\ adjectiveObama's Homeland Security team noticed their activities, and called it. “ domestic terrorist violence,”
When you engage in domestic terrorist violence, you are a domestic terrorist.
Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.
Since well before the Aug. 12 rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, turned deadly, DHS has been issuing warnings about the growing likelihood of lethal violence between the left-wing anarchists and right-wing white supremacist and nationalist groups.
Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016 , authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system, ” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI.
"The Daily Show" host Trevor Noah spoke out against the left-wing "antifa" movement on Thursday, calling its adherents “vegan ISIS.
Wheel,
I used the word terrorism, not terrorist or terrorist.
Terrorism , in its broadest sense, describes the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear , in order to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim. [1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants . [2] The terms "terrorist" and "terrorism" originated during the French Revolution of the late 18th century [3] but gained mainstream popularity during the U.S. Presidency of Ronald Reagan (1981–89) after the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings [4] and again after the attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C. in September 2001 [5] [4] [6] and on Bali in October 2002 . [4]
There are a few key aspects of terrorism:
BTW, that would apply to white supremacist groups, too.
Based Stickman has taught them a lesson the hard way. They now know if they go looking for trouble they are going to find it and come out on the losing end. The Patriots are winning.
That may be one of the six. In truth , you could post videos of all the antifa violence in America and it wouldn't take as long as it would take you to brush your teeth.
You are right, of course, Dean.
Antifa are terrible thugs! They have been putting the entire nation to the sword... or trying to, according to our alt-right members... and they haven't managed to kill a single opponent.
Keep up the good work, Dean.
Who is Based Stickman? An alt-right person who doesn't use their own name?
His name is Kyle Chapman the alt knight. He is the reason the Antifa thugs will think twice before attempting another violent uprising.
Dean is doing his best to distract from the point of the article. His flailing is kind of cute.
I agree with you the Antifa is not much of a threat. They failed miserably and ended up on the losing end of the stick.
Moldylocks won't be so eager to throw bottles in the future after getting the smackdown she deserved.
Dean looks like he is having fun amusing himself on You Tube today. We should all be happy for him.
"the alt knight." How cute and noble, NOT
P.S. Dean - who do you consider patriots?
Are there any rules about locking?
Is the seeder allowed to ask questions / issue challenges / make stuff up... and then lock before any reply can be made?
Bob,
The owner of an article is allowed to lock an article at any time, or delete it. You are allowed to open an article if you like, and continue the discussion.
"We have had more articles about antifa in the past two weeks than we have had about white supremacists in the past two years.
It's all bullshit too. There is no widespread antifa threat to America. There are tens of millions of white racists."
For being such a threat, I don't know why we haven't heard of them before?
"Beyond the pragmatic invalidity of violence is its inability to appeal to conscience. . . . Nonviolence is power, but it is the right and good use of power. . . . One of the main questions that the Negro [civil rights defender] must confront in his pursuit of freedom is that of effectiveness. . . . If a method is not effective, no matter how much steam in releases, it is an expression of weakness, not of strength. . . . Only through our adherence to nonviolence—which also means love in its strong and commanding sense—will the fear in the white community be mitigated."
— Dr. Martin Luther King, "Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? (Harper & Row)
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A civil rights defender must be mindful not to generate as much negative press and emotional power which serves to cancel out the proper use of good press and emotional power, thus bringing the scale total to "0."
Straight out of Alinsky's rules. Deny it ever happened. I can always count on you John to tote the Liberal dogma.
No one is denying it ever happened. But they are not as prolific or anywhere near the threat as the alt-right is saying, no way, no how. That's just to throw the attention off their own racist asses.
Straight out of Alinsky's rules. Deny it ever happened.
JUST LIKE TRUMP who denies The Russian Collusion ever happened, even though Donny Junior keeps providing EVIDENCE and PROOF that it really did happen. Trump will Lie and Trump will Deny. Does that make Trump a devotee of Alinsky too?
Sixpick, you posted a video from someone who is openly anti-semitic. She is in this video when she talks about Jews controlling things. She also is in another video (start at 7:20 mark) .
She also says she doesn't give a shit about slaves who died, chained to the bottom of the slave ships , because she didn't know them personally. She sounds like a sociopath.
Do you consider yourself superior to this woman John?
Are you a nut case? This woman created a You Tube channel to try and financially profit off her anti-semitism and her opposing "liberal" views about race issues.
I am surprised you didnt pay attention to the video you seeded and also look a little bit into her. The only other video of hers I looked at also has anti-semitic slurs. Who knows what the rest of her videos contain along those lines?
I was wondering what these random ranting woman videos were all about.
I find this woman's views sick and twisted. I don't get your question to John. It's not a matter of feeling superior to her. It's a matter of her own ideology, which perverts the truth.
In fact, why did you post it? What was your point? What am I missing here?
Oh I know why he posted it, she spends a lot of time saying there is no white privilege, and that appeals to Sixpick. What he didnt do was pay attention to the whole video and her other videos.
Also, she is trying to make money. She ends her videos asking people to send her money through pay pal and patreon.
Do you find all of her views sick and twisted? Do you find anything she says has any validity? If a black person steps out of line of the collective mindset of what blacks should believe about the world around them, do you have a problem with that?
Of course even though I don't agree with everything she said and stated in one of my comments I may agree or disagree with an opinion, I'm wondering why the Left seems to believe blacks are incapable of having an individual opinion.
You can leave this lady out of it in this case, but if I had put a video of another black person having an opinion that differed than what the Left wants them to believe collectively, I would have received the same sort of response as proven by Tessylo's comments before John put his video up, especially the token negro one and traitor to her race. And if I had said the same thing about that woman in the video, the Lefties would have jumped on me as a racist like ants on a sugar cube.
Race seems to occupy about 90% of the left's brain and how they can use it to keep the fight on while they profess to be trying to bring people together. Very deceptive, but very effective in accomplishing their agenda.
Now I have to go. I wonder how many blacks and foreigners, quite a few from Africa, you white Lefties will interact with today? Can't be too many as you spend your life on here, unless you talk to them on the phone. On the other hand, I will be interacting with dozens of them today as I do all year long.
Try it sometime. You'll find that not all blacks accept the Left's collective mentality.
"Now I have to go. I wonder how many blacks and foreigners, quite a few from Africa, you white Lefties will interact with today? Can't be too many as you spend your life on here, unless you talk to them on the phone. On the other hand, I will be interacting with dozens of them today as I do all year long."
Poor, poor misunderstood sixpick? I work with doctors and residents and medical students everyday so yes, I see lots of 'blacks' and 'foreigners', quite a few from Africa, and interact with them 5 days a week. So I do not spend my life on here.
09/08/17 11:31:26AM @ sixpick
I want to make an oblique reference to white women and their indefinite trials with The Good-Ole Boy Network. My intention is purely rhetorical for mentioning this. I simply want you to reflect on it as you consider if Mr. Sowell would tell women, all women, they have a 'victim mentality.'
How exactly did this shyster destroy the white male privelege 'myth'?
Sandra Bland Arrest Video (Both Angles)
1. Compare the "cordial" opening during which the first female arrest, er no,scratch that: The first traffic stop that clearly does NOT involve Sandra Bland.
2. Then, observe the tenor of Sandra Bland's traffic stop and arrest.
3. No white privilege? The video evidence says something quite different.
What took so long while the cop was in his car? That racist pig son of a bitch. When she wouldn't put out her cigarette because she was in her car - that's when he told her to get out of the car. Bastard pointed his gun in her face Fucking bastard. Makes me sick.
I cannot believe all those people driving by didn't stop or say a damn thing either.
09/08/17 12:20:14PM @ tessylo
I do not blame 'Joe Public' for not getting involved in a police matter. These stops can be as complex as they appear simple. It could be called interfering with an officer in the performance of his/her duties. But this.
Ms. Bland told the "good" officer she was an out-of-towner (Chicago) traveling through his fair city. Now my question:
In the opening 'stop,' the good officer demonstrated cordiality to a fellow citizen, where was this "good" officer's display of renowned southern charm for Ms. Bland?
no such thing as white privilege eh? Are you black sixpick?
The woman in the video is.
She's just rambling on about how she's not had any problems. Rambling on about black folks being incarcerated for good reason? How many black folks are in jail for committing the same crime as a white person while that white person isn't jailed? That's a weird roadside interview. Whatever.
no such thing as white privilege eh?
White privilege is a philosophical concept derived from the ideology of postmodernism ( nonsense) and cultural Marxism's critical theory. This critical theory is directed exclusively at the freest societies that grant full and equal rights to women and minorities. It's never directed at oppressive societies, as that would be of course... "racist"
Link to paper, know the origins of the ideas you embrace.
Marxism and third wave feminism. like two brothers who share a "shameful" bed.
Critical theory is a subsection of cultural Marxism incorporating postmodern thought.
This critical theory is directed exclusively at the freest societies that grant full and equal rights to women and minorities. It's never directed at oppressive societies.
Nothing to be critical about?
Those claiming to be interested in equality for all, are eerily silent on the subject of modern slavery.
Nothing to be critical about?
Those claiming to be interested in women's rights are eerily silent on the subject of a 1400 percentage rise in the murder of women.
That wasn't my question.
So she's a traitor to her own race. got it sixpick.
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So busy seeing racism in people you hate, that you miss it in yourself.
So sad.
Comment removed for context/no violation [ph] Right. Who are these people that I hate? These shysters that you've provided videos for? Whatever, dude.
Are you speaking for sixpick? I wasn't talking to you dear.
Comment removed for context/no violation [ph] Right. Who are these people that I hate? These shysters that you've provided videos for? Whatever, dude.
Are you speaking for sixpick? I wasn't talking to you dear.
Whoops I thought I was dealing with sixpix - so that remark about the videos is incorrect. Why are you speaking for sixpix NM?
Who are these people that I hate?
White people in general, and anyone that disagrees with your views on racism, hence the "Token" comment.
So you reveal it yourself.
And those statements came right out of your twisted view of humanity.
And I don't speak for Six, he is quite capable of such hi9mself as he has readily demonstrated.
But if you want a private conversation with him on the subject of your racism, you can set up a private group just for that purpose.
When you post such racist drivel in public, you can expect responses from everyone.
People who hold to your apparent belief are people without belief, just hate. Expressions of hate come in many disguises, some can appear quite rational.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I'll say to you what I said to 'it is me' - are you a poor, poor, picked on white christian boy? A small c-christian boy? Speaking from your white privilege? You may piss off now.
It is very difficult to call out a racist on this board. the reason for that is we have a few members that just love to call everyone who disagrees with them racists.
There are three things that happen when this takes place.
#1 they reveal their hate.
#2 they reveal their biases
#3 the reveal their lack of intelligence
The reason the ability to call someone a racist directly was removed is because it was being used as a cudgel to beat down an opponent in a debate and to avoid actually having to make a case in support of their hate based upon logical reasoning.
The last part of the model is the racist usually devolves into insulting the opposition when they can't make their accusation stick. One of those "You need to understand it before I can explain it to you" type of arguments.
There is no logical basis for your position, many others have tried to make the same arguments over and over and they have devolved EVERY SINGLE TIME to insulting their opposition with the same exact insults you are using here.
Basically when it gets to the insult point, the racist has been exposed and it is clear who it is.
That's kinda why the blind accusing people of being racist is against policy here.
Discussing racism is allowable, and with the members here you have better be wearing your big girl panties, we are.
This is why you don't see much racist accusing going on here. it was being used to destroy discussion instead of build discussion.
Have a nice day.
Why the fuck would I hate white people. I'm white. You make no sense.
@tessylo
Your vocabulary is very domesticated i.e. preferring foul language to get your message across.
Who asked you?
Why the fuck would I hate white people. I'm white.
Racism knows no skin color, from either side.
In theory, one could expect that any skin color might invent skin colored prejudice against a different "race".
In historical practice in the United States, it has been almost entirely "whites" being racist against "coloreds".
Let's not invent false equivalencies.
And there has never been any racism in the opposite direction.
Black against White?
And there has never been any racism in the opposite direction.
That is just crazy talk!!! I mean it's not like they are talking about eliminating the white race in a semi-academic setting like Harvard Magazine or something. Get a grip dude, please. There is no "black KKK"
The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists . Of course we expected bewilderment from people who still think of race as biology. We frequently get letters accusing us of being "racists," just like the KKK, and have even been called a "hate group." ...
@nowhere-man
Of course there has and I am living proof of it,
I know there has sweets, just trying to get John to admit it.
It's one of the eternal questions of NT.
When one agrees to enter into discussion on a public forum anyone can respond....hence, my response to your rude vocabulary.