Trump was right again about voter fraud, this time from New Hampshire
President Trump was upbraided in the press for stating that illegal out-of-state voters swung the New Hampshire vote to Hillary Clinton in a state he otherwise would have won in the presidential election of 2016.
Mixing news with opinion, the Boston Globe, under the headline, "Trump makes groundless N.H. vote fraud claims," led with:
WASHINGTON — President Trump has revived unproven voter fraud allegations, telling a group of senators in a private meeting Thursday that he lost New Hampshire last November because thousands of Massachusetts residents were bused to the neighboring state to cast ballots against him.
The president offered no evidence to support the claim.
WMUR, an area broadcaster, had the same kind of mixed news-opinion reporting here.
But it turns out Trump was objectively right all along, and not for the first time.
According to Rowan Scarborough of the Washington Times:
More than 6,500 people registered to vote in New Hampshire on Nov. 8 using out-of-state driver’s licenses, and since then the vast majority have neither obtained an in-state license nor registered a motor vehicle.
Conservatives say the state’s same-day registration is an invitation for fraud because of loose proof-of-residence rules.
New Hampshire House Speaker Shawn Jasper, a Republican, issued the numbers Thursday based on inquiries he made to the Department of State, which oversees elections, and the Department of Safety.
Since Election Day, Republicans have charged that a significant number of nonresident Democrats, principally from Massachusetts, flowed into New Hampshire to vote illegally, tilting a close race to their party.
And don't think it didn't matter. According to GatewayPundit, Trump lost the state by the narrowest of margins:
New Hampshire was a close race in the 2016 Presidential election. Hillary won the four electoral votes, however; it took a week to count the votes because it was tight. Hillary received 348,521 votes, while Trump picked up 345,789. Trump lost by 0.4 percent.
That's 2,736 votes. The GOP's Sen. Kelly Ayotte lost her seat by an even narrower margin: 1,017 votes.
So, like colonists taking over a puppet state, hordes of mostly Massachusetts voters, upset at the election returns coming in on their T.V. sets, rolled into the state to take advantage of its same-day registration, plunked down their Massachusetts state drivers licenses, got a voter card, and got in in time to illegally cast ballots for Democrats. Their onslaught canceled out the votes of legitimate New Hampshire voters, a violation of state sovereignty if there ever was one. And they illegally shifted the results.
That news gives Trump a score of 100% on calling voter fraud, because Trump's claims about illegal immigrants voting in California's election to swing the vote Democrat was verified as likely true, too. According to a study from Old Dominion University, illegal immigrant participation in balloting could be seen in the patterns evident in past elections.
According to Investor's Business Daily:
But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.
"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.
More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."
Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.
Thus far, Trump is batting a thousand.
Yet as news rolls out about illegal Democrat voting and illegal Democrat office-stealing, both from out-of-staters and illegal immigrants, coverage is minimal from the mainstream press and non-existent from the television press. But it does matter.
On Sept. 12, New Hampshire is holding a meeting from the Presidential Advisory Commission on Voter Integrity, led by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach. They should be able to use these facts om the stolen elections in the work they do and make some significant recommendations for change, starting with ending New Hampshire's same-day voter registration and acceptance of Massachusetts drivers licenses as ID for voting. And the fact that the commission does have the goods can be seen in the attacks they are under by their partisan opponents from the Beltway smear industry. The David Brock-linked team at CREW is attacking him for baseless 'ethics' violations over a column he occasionally writes for Breitbart News and the mainstream media is calling them an 'ethics watchdog' instead of a a rabid partisan group still staffed with Brock's political cronies. Meanwhile, the Washington Post has just come out with an attack on Kobach, ridiculing the hard facts of the matter in the interest of defending Democrats.
The Beltway smear games are on as more hard facts come out. They will go after Trump and they will go after Trump's men. But the hard fact remains that Trump is right. What remains to be seen is whether Republicans can show the political will to defend the truth as President Trump has found it.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/09/trump_was_right_again_about_voter_fraud_this_time_from_new_hampshire.html#ixzz4s5zmNsCR
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Mixing news with opinion, the Boston Globe, under the headline, "Trump makes groundless N.H. vote fraud claims," led with:
WASHINGTON — President Trump has revived unproven voter fraud allegations, telling a group of senators in a private meeting Thursday that he lost New Hampshire last November because thousands of Massachusetts residents were bused to the neighboring state to cast ballots against him.
The president offered no evidence to support the claim.
WMUR, an area broadcaster, had the same kind of mixed news-opinion reporting here.
But it turns out Trump was objectively right all along, and not for the first time.
According to Rowan Scarborough of the Washington Times:
More than 6,500 people registered to vote in New Hampshire on Nov. 8 using out-of-state driver’s licenses, and since then the vast majority have neither obtained an in-state license nor registered a motor vehicle.
Conservatives say the state’s same-day registration is an invitation for fraud because of loose proof-of-residence rules.
New Hampshire House Speaker Shawn Jasper, a Republican, issued the numbers Thursday based on inquiries he made to the Department of State, which oversees elections, and the Department of Safety.
Since Election Day, Republicans have charged that a significant number of nonresident Democrats, principally from Massachusetts, flowed into New Hampshire to vote illegally, tilting a close race to their party.
And don't think it didn't matter. According to GatewayPundit, Trump lost the state by the narrowest of margins:
New Hampshire was a close race in the 2016 Presidential election. Hillary won the four electoral votes, however; it took a week to count the votes because it was tight. Hillary received 348,521 votes, while Trump picked up 345,789. Trump lost by 0.4 percent.
That's 2,736 votes. The GOP's Sen. Kelly Ayotte lost her seat by an even narrower margin: 1,017 votes.
So, like colonists taking over a puppet state, hordes of mostly Massachusetts voters, upset at the election returns coming in on their T.V. sets, rolled into the state to take advantage of its same-day registration, plunked down their Massachusetts state drivers licenses, got a voter card, and got in in time to illegally cast ballots for Democrats. Their onslaught canceled out the votes of legitimate New Hampshire voters, a violation of state sovereignty if there ever was one. And they illegally shifted the results.
That news gives Trump a score of 100% on calling voter fraud, because Trump's claims about illegal immigrants voting in California's election to swing the vote Democrat was verified as likely true, too. According to a study from Old Dominion University, illegal immigrant participation in balloting could be seen in the patterns evident in past elections.
According to Investor's Business Daily:
But there is evidence to back Trump's claims. A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.
"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.
More specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."
Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.
Thus far, Trump is batting a thousand.
Yet as news rolls out about illegal Democrat voting and illegal Democrat office-stealing, both from out-of-staters and illegal immigrants, coverage is minimal from the mainstream press and non-existent from the television press. But it does matter.
On Sept. 12, New Hampshire is holding a meeting from the Presidential Advisory Commission on Voter Integrity, led by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach. They should be able to use these facts om the stolen elections in the work they do and make some significant recommendations for change, starting with ending New Hampshire's same-day voter registration and acceptance of Massachusetts drivers licenses as ID for voting. And the fact that the commission does have the goods can be seen in the attacks they are under by their partisan opponents from the Beltway smear industry. The David Brock-linked team at CREW is attacking him for baseless 'ethics' violations over a column he occasionally writes for Breitbart News and the mainstream media is calling them an 'ethics watchdog' instead of a a rabid partisan group still staffed with Brock's political cronies. Meanwhile, the Washington Post has just come out with an attack on Kobach, ridiculing the hard facts of the matter in the interest of defending Democrats.
The Beltway smear games are on as more hard facts come out. They will go after Trump and they will go after Trump's men. But the hard fact remains that Trump is right. What remains to be seen is whether Republicans can show the political will to defend the truth as President Trump has found it.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/09/trump_was_right_again_about_voter_fraud_this_time_from_new_hampshire.html#ixzz4s5zmNsCR
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I thought "christians" weren't supposed to lie.
Is New Hampshire public radio a "Christian" source?
Or do you disbelieve anything you find ideologically troubling?
The source for this POS article is the rightwing garbage site, "American Thinker." That means "LIES" until otherwise demonstrated. Every single one of its links is either to another rightwing garbage purveyor or to some rightwing opinion piece with no facts whatsoever.
The NHNPR article is simply reporting what some republican lawmaker is doing and not that there's any substance to the claim.
The source for this POS article
The source of the article is a report by the New Hampshire Secretary of state. That source is reported on in Amerian thinker.
A newly released report from the New Hampshire Secretary of State and Department of Safety says a majority of people who used out-of-state IDs to register in last November’s elections haven’t registered vehicles in New Hampshire or gotten in-state drivers licenses in the months since
That's what happens when you can't even get past the source....incredible how many people make themselves look silly by posting on articles they refuse to read isn't it?
incredible how many people post on articles they refuse to read isn't it?
It truly is.
And there's not a speck of information in either of those letters from the NH SoS's office which supports the lie that there was any voting fraud. So, that adds another layer of lying to this pile of lies by suggesting that the SoS is suspicious of any illegal voting.
So you don't know a whole lot about the law do you?
They have Probable Cause to investigate for voter fraud.
It's only a lie to those who refuse to seek the truth, or see seeking the truth as wrong.
"It's only a lie to those who refuse to seek the truth, or see seeking the truth as wrong."
Some choose to ignore truth they find difficult rather than accept it.
Lol. Another story with no proof whatsoever of voter wrongdoing. If there were evidence of an actual crime, people would be being prosecuted. Expect nothing less from the American Sphincter.
If there were evidence of an actual crime, people would be being prosecuted.
In criminal law, first, there is an allegation of a crime,(we have that) second, there is an investigation to see if a crime has been committed ( we don't have that yet). During the investigation, if "proof" of a crime is found, a trial commences.
You want to skip the investigation, and trial and acquit at a mention of an allegation. That is not how the criminal justice system works in America.
A newly released report from the New Hampshire Secretary of State and Department of Safety says a majority of people who used out-of-state IDs to register in last November’s elections haven’t registered vehicles in New Hampshire or gotten in-state drivers licenses in the months since. While this data alone doesn’t provide proof of voter fraud, as NHPR has noted before , it's quickly become fodder in an ongoing debate about New Hampshire’s voting requirements.
You obviously didn't bother to read it either. Is this a common trait among atheists?
Yes, I did. Nobody has been prosecuted, likely because the "crime" is only that they kept their old drivers license and registration even through they were living in NH. Feel free to prove me wrong.
...a majority of people who used out-of-state IDs to register in last November’s elections haven’t registered vehicles in New Hampshire or gotten in-state drivers licenses in the months since.
Did you miss that part Hal?
it's an indication that they crossed the border of the state registered in NH to vote in their elections but remained living in MA as their permanent place of residence. Not proof of voter fraud in and of itself, but a problem that is worth further investigation.
Lets say they are still living in MA, cause now is long after a resident is required by law to change out their drivers licenses to their new state.
Also a corollery to that one....
EVEN AFTER registering and voting in NH, did they also vote in MA?
Now THAT would prove voter fraud......
I would say that they have probable cause to investigate for voter fraud.
Bullshit. I can't believe you don't get this. I moved from Ohio to Maryland and didn't change my license and registration for over a year. My daughter did the same thing, twice. Yes, that's an offense, but it has nothing to do with voter fraud. There is nothing in this article indicating evidence of anyone not living in NH but voting in NH.
Sure. That is what happened in every case./S
Didn't say there was Hal, all I said it is a viable basis to INVESTIGATE to see if there is.
And explained the clear logical reasoning for such.
You claiming it isn't?
It's the SOS's duty to investigate such.
AND do you have any evidence they didn't?
Don't think so, an investigation is called for and is the job of the NH SOS to do such.
OR are you saying she shouldn't do his/her job?
So go and INVESTIGATE. That's the part that isn't happening! Just lame American Sphincter articles making baseless claims.
American Sphincter
Excellent!! I like American Stinker, too.
Didn't say there was Hal, all I said it is a viable basis to INVESTIGATE to see if there is.
Did it escape your notice that this article is making claims, and your fellow wingers are supporting it blindly, that PROOF has been found of illegal voting occurred when, in fact, nothing whatsoever has been shown.
It appears they were mainly, or maybe even all , students who attended college in N.H. , and thus eligible to vote there, but had not obtained New Hampshire driver's licenses . Not a scandal.
If you renew your registration for 2 years, then move to another state 6 months later, your old state does not issue you a refund for 18 months of unused registration. Applying for a new drivers license also takes money, and involves a trip to the dreaded DMV. People know that the likelihood of being caught going beyond the standard 3 month grace period is low, so they get what they can out of what they paid for. I'm certain there was a bit of that going on.
Again. Some choose to ignore truth they find difficult rather than accept it.
Where's your proof? You have zilch. Zero. Nada.
Again. Some choose to ignore truth they find difficult rather than accept it.
Good for you … self-awareness is the first step on the road to delusion-recovery.
Not for all of us.
You obviously didn't bother to read it either.
You obviously read things that weren't there. For example, the giant assumption that because people who registered with out-of-state DLs voted illegally.
The Allegation is Based on Flawed Data!
Days before they meet in New Hampshire, members of the White House’s Election Integrity Commission have seized on a report about same-day registration to allege that massive fraud might have swung the state’s 2016 vote. Both voters and election experts say the allegation — accusing thousands of voters of criminal activity simply for living in New Hampshire but holding out-of-state driver’s licenses — are baseless.
But Kobach was only the most prominent commission member mangling the data. J. Christian Adams, a commission member who has sometimes accused voters of fraud based on badly flawed data, wrote Thursday that the 5,000-plus voters who had voted in 2016 but had not switched their IDs could “no longer be found in New Hampshire.”
That was false: Even the chair of Dartmouth’s College Democrats, Jennifer West, said Thursday that she held an out-of-state ID while studying and organizing voters in New Hampshire .
Nonetheless, Kobach and the commission will arrive in New Hampshire next week — at Patrick Derenze’s old campus, St. Anselm College — to discuss, among other things, “election integrity issues affecting public confidence.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/09/08/kris-kobachs-leap-of-logic-on-voter-fraud-in-new-hampshire-should-be-disqualifying/?utm_term=.8f4f5bc99010
Nothing is going to ever shake these democracy-hating rightwingers in their quest to basically eliminate people who don't vote their from the voting rolls altogether.
AND BY THE WAY …
The White House Election Commission WAS CREATED BY DONALD TRUMP!
But the name sounds real f'n official doesn't it!!!!!
White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach
The White House, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Donald Trump, annoyed to have lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and compelled by ridiculous conspiracy theories, created an “elections integrity” commission, which was tasked with finding evidence of a voter-fraud problem that exists only in far-right imaginations.
To that end, the president appointed some of the nation’s most notorious voter-suppression pioneers, including Kansas’ Kris Kobach, to oversee the endeavor and request every state’s full voter rolls, including the name, address, date of birth, party affiliation, last four Social Security number digits, and voting history for every voter going back more than a decade.
This hasn’t turned out well. Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Grimes (D) wrote on Twitter, “One question: If @realDonaldTrump asked for your address, SSN, birthdate, political affiliation, & voting history, would you give it to him?” For most of the country, the answer is a resounding no .
Forty-four states have refused to provide certain types of voter information to the Trump administration’s election integrity commission, according to a CNN inquiry to all 50 states. […]
Nineteen openly criticized the commission’s request.
There’s a limit as to what Team Trump can do about this – Kobach has already admitted his commission cannot legally compel states to cooperate – but the president apparently has a back-up plan.
The White House’s strategy, evidently, is to shame states into turning over their voter rolls. “Numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished VOTER FRAUD PANEL,” Trump said on Twitter over the weekend. “What are they trying to hide?”
First, there’s nothing “distinguished” about this charade. Second, Trump has no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Third, in the United States, no one is supposed to face accusations of wrongdoing because they balked at a government fishing expedition that’s operating outside any legitimate legal framework. Fourth, President Secrecy is perhaps the last person in the country to suggest others have something to hide.
But even putting all of that aside, making the White House’s whining look even worse is the scope of the pushback. If it were only a couple of blue states balking at the request, Trump might find it easier to start a political fight. But when 44 states recoil – led by Democrats and Republicans, from coast to coast – Trump World finds itself in yet another fiasco of its own making.
Postscript: One of the members of the White House’s commission, Maryland Deputy Secretary of State Luis Borunda, reportedly resigned from the panel over the weekend.
If Kris Koback cannot be put in jail for something he should at least be made to walk around with a "kick me" sign on his back side.
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Wash . Post ’s Philip Bump: Kobach’s baseless claim of voter fraud makes clear it’s inappropriate for him to serve on voter integrity commission. In a September 8 article, Washington Post national correspondent Philip Bump poked holes in Kobach’s effort to claim voter fraud in New Hampshire and concluded that he’s not qualified to serve in any capacity on a national commission on voting:
None of these people broke any laws or state voting requirements. What is the possible basis for saying they were illegal votes?
When the investigation runs it's course we will know how much fraud there was.
There is no reason for same day registration. That IS an opening for fraud!