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I've Got A News Flash For Y'all - RED RULES Have Never Been Successfully Used

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  7 years ago  •  136 comments

I've Got A News Flash For Y'all  - RED RULES Have Never Been Successfully Used

"Red Rules" is a perpetual exercise in frustration, inadequacy , and mis-directed concern, on Newstalkers. The much discussed (some might say obsessively discussed) concept has NEVER been successfully employed as a response controlling  method on the forum. 

One of two things invariably happens. Either there are very few responses to a "red rules" defined article and the article fails for lack of response, OR the discussion turns into a series of contentious responses about the red rules themselves, and the seeder, instead of the subject of the seeded article. 

Red rules is a failed idea and it should either be discontinued entirely or at the least not given so much attention on this forum, because as it stands it is all pretty ridiculous. 

Outsiders must look at all this and think that people here are nuts. 


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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago

There are NO examples of a long and happy article that observed "red rules". 

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
1.1  Rex Block  replied to  JohnRussell @1    7 years ago

Red rules is a failed idea and it should be discontinued entirely.

I totally agree...let the article stand or fall on it's own merits. The seeder is simply trying trying to exert too much control over the direction of the comments.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
1.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Rex Block @1.1    7 years ago

Rex,

I never post RBR articles, but I have participated in them and they have ran fine. If the author doesn't want the topic to stray, that is a good way to do it. I happen to like to stray, but that is me. 

An issue arises when the scope is too narrow or they are used to create an echo chamber. The option is to reseed. 

Really the RBR is no different than the author having the delete button option on the old NV. Since this platform has no option for that, the RBR is given as directive to those participating and for the mods who have to delete. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
2  lennylynx    7 years ago

Seems to that the coc is already too restrictive; I would scrap the red rules option altogether.  If you can't allow others to respond to your seed however they wish, within the coc, you should have no right to post the seed in the first place.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @2    7 years ago

Lenny,

The CoC is no more or less restrictive than the CoH. I am assuming you were a member of NV?. The only difference is that we moderate, and many of those who came from NV got used to the period of non moderation. Btw.. the CoC is updated by the members which will happen in a couple of weeks. They are the groups rules and not mine. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago

I tried to use "Red box rules" three or four times. Every time I did either the article was immediately trolled , or it didnt get any responses. That is also the case for everyone else who uses them. Bob has used it the most often, and he always ends up complaining about many of the comments he gets on those threads. 

The concept is basically a failed experiment. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
3.1  lennylynx  replied to  JohnRussell @3    7 years ago

I wonder how the members would feel about scrapping RBRs; time for another poll JR!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @3    7 years ago
The concept is basically a failed experiment.

trying to control other peoples words will always result in failure.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
3.2.2  lennylynx  replied to  Shepboy @3.2.1    7 years ago

We had that feature at NV but I never used it, not even on the most ignorant, hateful, and stupid people.  Interesting feature was that you could click on the comment of a person you had on ignore, and see the comment.  I often wondered how many times an ignorer did NOT do this.  If I want to ignore someone because all they make are stupid comments, I just ignore them, let their stupid comments stand.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
4  Hal A. Lujah    7 years ago

I usually won’t even read a RBR seed.  Silo discussions are boring.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
5  Dean Moriarty    7 years ago

It is my belief they were created in a shady backroom deal. The members were never allowed to vote on them. They have been problematic since their inception and do far more harm than good. Scrap them call it a failed experiment, learn from our mistakes and move on. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    7 years ago

In theory it is a good idea. In practice, it is either sabotaged or ignored. NT needs to stop spending time and energy on it. Some of the silliest things I have ever seen here have been on discussions about red box rules. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
5.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    7 years ago

Texan,

I am sorry that your experience with them has been bad. We have run many successful RBR's.

Dean,

No backroom deal. They are optional. That is why they are not in the CoC. 

Lenny,

I agree with you about the ignore function. I know people peeked. I never used them either. If someone is going to say something about me, I want to see it. 

Kathleen,

Love your style.

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
5.1.5  Spikegary  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.4    7 years ago

I tried them a time or two to keep a general direction 'What will the Democrat Party do differently on the future?' and used the RBRs to not turn it into a I hate __________ (fill in with your least favorite politician) bash fest.  The problem I saw was people want to turn it into their personal bully pulpit about anything they want to talk about or it gets ignored.  Polarization, blinding polarization seems to have made the RBR's useless.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9  Uncle Bruce    7 years ago

I've used them successfully.  They are an option.  if you don't want to use them, don't.  If you don't want to participate in an RBR article, don't.  If you feel you HAVE to participate in an article that has RBR, but don't want to abide by RBR, re-seed the fucking article.

I seriously do not understand why stupid fucks always want to get rid of OPTIONAL shit they don't like.  It's FUCKING OPTIONAL. 

Anyway, as long as I am here, RBR will stay. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9    7 years ago

Bruce RBR is a total failure. Either they get trolled or they get ignored. That IS the history and everyone knows it. 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9.1.1  Uncle Bruce  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1    7 years ago

None of my RBR articles have ever been trolled.  Because I don't get stupid with the rules. 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9.1.2  Uncle Bruce  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1    7 years ago
Bruce RBR is a total failure.

Damn John.  It looks like you need RBR for this article:

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9.1.1    7 years ago

One of the reasons that RBR is a complete failure is because it is constantly being discussed (argued about) as meta. In itself that indicates the policy is a failure. 

Enoch is an outlier in this situation. 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
9.1.4  sixpick  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9.1.2    7 years ago

Now that is funny.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2  lennylynx  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9    7 years ago

So, if we disagree with RBRs we are stupid fucks.  Gotcha.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9.2.1  Uncle Bruce  replied to  lennylynx @9.2    7 years ago

Comment removed for CoC violation [ph]

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
9.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @9.2    7 years ago

Enoch uses the RBR's for every article he posts. No one minds and everyone follows them. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
9.2.4  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.2    7 years ago

Has he ever really used them? Has be smart ever been effectively used? Who decides what is smart the seeder? 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2.6  lennylynx  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9.2.1    7 years ago

It's pretty sad that a person like you is a mod.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9.2.7  Uncle Bruce  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.3    7 years ago

Exactly.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
9.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  LMM @9.2.8    7 years ago

If he is in black he is not a mod... and can be moderated.. he is posting as a member and can be moderated. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2.12  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.9    7 years ago

I understand that.  I still say it's pretty sad that he's a mod at all.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2.14  lennylynx  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.3    7 years ago

Ok, but it seemed to me that all the seeding and reseeding and re-re-seeding and discussion over the insanity of Bob's RBRs left little for discussion.  The discussion would have been longer and better had the idiotic RBRs not been in place.   

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
9.2.15  sixpick  replied to  lennylynx @9.2.6    7 years ago
It's pretty sad that a person like you is a mod.

I think we should make John a moderator under a probational condition policy of course.

Maybe you'd like to be one Lenny. LOL  Understand it's not up to me.  I don't make the rules, I just follow them, except for the stay on topic one.  I have a little problem with that one, just a little.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
9.2.16  sixpick  replied to  sixpick @9.2.15    7 years ago

Here's an example:

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2.17  lennylynx  replied to  LMM @9.2.13    7 years ago

The 'stupid fucks' comment still stands too.  I guess Perrie's ok with it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.2.18  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9.2.7    7 years ago

People should not be allowed to reseed RBR articles, at least not on the same day. 

It is a form of trolling.

They can seed another similar article about the same topic if they want. Reseeding the same exact article a half hour after it was seeded as RBR is extreme disrespect and should not even be permitted. 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9.2.19  Uncle Bruce  replied to  lennylynx @9.2.14    7 years ago
The discussion would have been longer and better had the idiotic RBRs not been in place.

You are correct.  RBR CAN be abused.  But it seems to me another member re-seeded the article and it got about 40 comments, half of which were on target.  Did you participate in that article?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
9.2.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @9.2.12    7 years ago

Lenny,

Why? Does he not moderate properly? 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2.23  lennylynx  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9.2.19    7 years ago

Yes

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
9.2.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  LMM @9.2.21    7 years ago
The 'stupid fucks' comment still stands too

Yes, because it was a general comment.. and not directed at anyone. I moderated the one where it was directed. 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9.2.25  Uncle Bruce  replied to  lennylynx @9.2.23    7 years ago

Then why don't you re-seed any RBR article that you feel you cannot in good conscience pass up?  It's that simple.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.2.26  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9.2.25    7 years ago

Reseeding RBR articles is not a good solution. It's a horrible solution. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2.27  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.22    7 years ago

I can't say that he's been biased or unfair in his moderating, no.  What I am questioning is why you would retain such a vile, hateful person at all.  If you read the earlier comments you will find that 3 or 4 of us were against RBRs being allowed.  We were all newcomers from NV, and we weren't being insulting about it or demanding rule changes.  I even said to Bfies that we may not understand their desire for RBRs because we haven't been here long enough.  Then Bruce called us all 'stupid fucks.'  Why are you ok with this?

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
9.2.28  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.24    7 years ago

It was directed at anyone who is against RBRs, should be skirting at the very least, but don't worry Perrie, if us 'stupid fucks' from NV don't like the fucking rules here, we can just 'move the fuck along,' right?  Fine people you have moderating here.

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
9.2.30  Spikegary  replied to  LMM @9.2.13    7 years ago

There are and have been several moderators here that have been insulting assholes in black.  Fortunately, they are allowed to express their opinions also.  Once they 'purple pen' they are no longer allowed to participate in the article as a commenter.  It is what it is, if you don't like those comments, skip over or move on.  There's lots of insulting people here, why should one not be allowed to be himself?

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
9.2.31  Uncle Bruce  replied to  lennylynx @9.2.27    7 years ago
What I am questioning is why you would retain such a vile, hateful person at all

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CB
Professor Principal
9.4  CB  replied to  Uncle Bruce @9    7 years ago

I'm with you! Without all the "F-bombs," anyway! Incidentally, I do understand that "salty" dialect!)

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Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
11  Uncle Bruce    7 years ago

Hey John.  This article had RBRs and was pretty successful.  Hell you even posted in it:

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
12  lennylynx    7 years ago

That some RBR articles are successful misses the point.  There is no need to allow members to make their own rules, over and above the coc, at all.  Why should you be able to?  Every article should be subject to the same set of rules, period.  This remains my opinion despite the contention of some of the hierarchy here at NT, that I am a "stupid fuck" for holding this opinion.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
12.1  Uncle Bruce  replied to  lennylynx @12    7 years ago

Hey Lenny, do you know how to seed an article?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
13  Dean Moriarty    7 years ago

Does anyone other than myself see the problem with allowing a red box rule to be as unspecific as “Be Smart”? This opens the door for the seeder to remove any comment he decides is not smart enough to meet his personal requirement. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
13.1  lennylynx  replied to  Dean Moriarty @13    7 years ago

Seems to me that rule would prevent ALL of us from commenting! Happy

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
13.2  Rex Block  replied to  Dean Moriarty @13    7 years ago

This whole thing reminds me of being "blocked" on NV when no COC was being violated. Got suspended for a bogus violation and couldn't get back on, so did my one and only re-reg as "Greg Jones". Thought of using that moniker here, but "Rex" went way back on NV, to the days of "Feisty Redhead" and LBJ with all his multiple personas.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
14  Uncle Bruce    7 years ago

Look, let me lay it out for all of ya'll, so you can understand the issue of RBR.

You as an author have no power other than the mods to delete comments.  That's by design.  If you did, many on this site would begin deleting comments that they didn't like.  And we, the moderators and admins would be flooded with complaints about disappearing comments.  So the only people who have the ability to delete comments are the moderators.

Our CoC has a method for dealing with off topic comments.  It requires a warning.  Then you can have a mod delete off topic.  The problem with this is that sometimes the topics take a tangent with really good debates.  Many authors will allow this.  Some will not.  In some cases, especially in the past month or so, articles have grown to 200-600 comments.  But by and large those were tangent discussions.  It's good and bad.

One of the problems with authors warning about off topics and getting mods to delete them has been the judgment of the mods.  Meaning that a moderator is going to make a judgment call as to whether the comment was off topic.  And in the past, there have been mods who's judgment has left the author fuming, because he/she felt that the comment was on topic enough to let stand.  RBR takes the moderator judgment out of the equation.  Yes, it can be good and bad, as we have seen in the past few days.

Red Box Rules is a tool available to authors.  It has its own set of rules for participants, authors, and mods.  But it is just a tool.  And it is optional.  And your participation is optional. 

Yes, RBR can and in the past HAVE been abused.  But they have also been successfully used.  When properly used, they can focus debate on specific topics.  When I've used them, it has been mostly to prevent certain tangents, such as racism.  Talk about anything you want, but leave racism out of it.  Those articles have been successful. 

Again, this is an option.  Nobody is holding a gun to your head and telling you that you have to use them.  Nobody is holding a gun to your head and telling you that you have to participate in them.

For those of you who don't like them, your opposition is duly noted.  Scroll the fuck on by.

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
14.1  Rex Block  replied to  Uncle Bruce @14    7 years ago

Understand what you are saying....but as Perrie put it previously, who determines what exactly IS the topic?? Is it built into the TITLE somehow? If the seed is yet another negative article about Trump and the Republicans/GOP, the comments are likely to veer at some point toward Obama/Hillary/Liberals....that's simply how forums work. In the end, RBR's will end up as nothing but echo chambers. We had those over on NV, they were called Nations.

BTW, is there any real need for you to use the condescending attitude and profanity?? 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
16  sixpick    7 years ago

Purpose of Red Box Rules Evolving Test

Choose the answer that comes closest to being correct.

A. To keep everyone on topic.

B. To keep everyone on the topic as you interpret it.

C. To keep everyone on the evolving topic.

D. To keep the number of comments to a minimum.

E. To give you something to discuss tomorrow.

F. To satisfy a need for authoritative control over others.

G. Provides material for re-seeding.

G. All or none of the above.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
17  Kavika     7 years ago

Are we going to end up having a meta article on RBR's?  I don't have a problem with them. Some people use them, some people abuse them. Others that use them and are using them in the manner they were intended. 

It's so damn simple, don't like them don't use them or comment on the article that has them. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
17.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @17    7 years ago

Well said.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
17.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @17    7 years ago

Kavika, your comment really doesn't deal with the reality of it. There is someone who often uses red box rules. Those seeds are regularly "trolled" . Be that because people just want to disrupt or because his criteria are too strict is immaterial. They regularly get disrupted. The answer is NOT to have someone immediately post the same exact article without RBR. That solution is extremely insulting to the original RBR seeder and will most likely exacerbate the situation. 

There is a process to have off topic comments removed and I suggest everyone should just use that process. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
17.2.2  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @17.2    7 years ago

Actually it does deal with the reality of it JR. I stated that some people abuse the RBR's and other use them as intended. 

I would rather have the site RA deal with those that abuse the RBR's then get rid of them. 

To me it's that simple.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
17.2.4  Kavika   replied to  Release The Kraken @17.2.3    7 years ago

Of course you have your opinion BF and I have mine. If the RBR's bother you so much perhaps you should spend less time on the net.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
17.2.6  Kavika   replied to  Release The Kraken @17.2.5    7 years ago
My reseeds have done well, on second thought let's keep them.

The perfect example of a ''candle in the wind''....or a ''fish out of water''....LOL

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
Freshman Silent
17.2.7  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  JohnRussell @17.2    7 years ago
because his criteria are too strict is immaterial.

That fucking idiots criteria is nothing more than setting the rules so strict so he can claim his own little echo chamber. Fuck him, and his echo chamber.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
17.3  lennylynx  replied to  Kavika @17    7 years ago

We don't need extra rules.  It's so damn simple, if you don't like a comment, ignore it.

Cuts both ways my friend.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
17.3.1  Kavika   replied to  lennylynx @17.3    7 years ago

Lenny, of course it cuts both ways. I rarely have used RBR's, if the article get's too far from base I simply say get back on target folks. 

I really don't see why this is become such a big deal, it is what it is.

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
17.3.2  Spikegary  replied to  Kavika @17.3.1    7 years ago

Because someone decided to bastardize the rules and spammed the board yesterday

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
18  Nowhere Man    7 years ago

Just one little point here.

Certain topics, because of the behavior of certain members on those certain topics, REQUIRE RBR's.

Period.

Otherwise those certain member come in and trash the topic altogether.....

And said members are famous for it.

Anything about religion, anything about racism, without RBR's, would quickly devolve into a slam fest creating even more work for the mods.....

Most of the new members don't realize it cause they weren't here, but we have lost members cause they could not stop those who troll certain topics pretty much shutting down all serious conversation on this board.

But us old members do.

Most don't use them, but for those that do, they do.

Besides without them certain members can make not just the seeders life miserable, they make the Mod's life miserable also.

Enoch uses them absolutely, every article he posts. Yet you see none of his articles derailed or trashed.

Shouldn't one ask why? Might have something to do with his approach? and recently we have seen a certain members RBR articles trashed beyond belief, why? Might it have something to do with his approach?

RBR's are a tool. A very effective tool mind you. The real issue here is approach of the user when using them.

People who don't like RBR's are those that exclaim that their freedom is being violated, they cann't say whatever they like. Well from some of the long lines of insultive one liners that are the typical situation without RBR's on certain peoples posts tells me they serve a purpose.

Personally I think a posting to the board that is 400 comments of "YOUR THIS, NO YOUR THAT" is nothing to be proud of. And is an insult to the board and the responders to such drivel. Not worth posting on....

There has been a massive increase of such posting dribblings since NV closed down. I find myself scrolling on by most articles now.... (essentially I see who posted the article and know it either is worth posting on or not) And I pass by most when not.

There are certain people that always post to certain people, and it is clear that the behavior they had on brand X is what they have brought with them. It has become habit.

It used to be habit here, but RBR's was one of the tools that changed that behavior here.

I for one will not enjoy this place if it goes back to what it was, or Brand X comes here. Kinda like one should respect everyone in their home, and this is my online home.....

Mine is a vote to keep RBR's I don't use them often simply cause I don't post often, but if I did I would....

Cause there are people who would trash my post cause I am simply me......

That is the most important reason....

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
18.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Nowhere Man @18    7 years ago

"Cause there are people who would trash my post cause I am simply me."

You hit the nail on the head.  There are some on NT who specifically target others simply because their opinions differ or because they use the wrong cologne or deodorant or drive the wrong car.  In a nutshell, they are the trolls whose primary desire is to make someone else's life miserable because they, themselves, have no life - just anger and hate.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @18    7 years ago

EMPHATICALLY! There is the option to "lock" an article. Coming from Newsvine I am comfortable with long and high counting comments, because I believe in people getting everything out in the open. However, I locked an article here because I simply was embarrassed at how the article devolved into a dive. Me, embarrassed. That's saying something! NWM, you are right. I was not proud of myself or the article's 'work.'

I like RBRs and the 4 B's, or some combination of them. It is important to understand this: Sometimes we do not need all the words pouring out of people. Just measured sharing.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
19  Uncle Bruce    7 years ago

You know, this is kinda like Gun Control.  One person abuses the RBR policy, and everyone wants to do away with RBR.  It's not the RBR.  It's the way they were used.  How about we let the site administration deal with the perpetrator, and leave the tool alone?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
19.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Uncle Bruce @19    7 years ago

It's not the RBR.  It's the way they were used

To some extent you are right, but there are also instances of people trolling red box rules articles as a matter of course. By no means is it all the seeders fault. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
19.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @19.1    7 years ago

It is easy to troll, when you set up the RBR's and you don't give a topic. Let's put the blame where the blame belongs. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
19.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @19.1.1    7 years ago

Oh let's not be disingenuous Perrie.  You well know there are people who will post off topic at the drop of a hat. It happens all the time. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
19.1.5  lennylynx  replied to  JohnRussell @19.1.3    7 years ago

I wonder who they could be, John, say, have you seen my hat anywhere? Happy

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
19.1.7  Spikegary  replied to  JohnRussell @19.1.3    7 years ago

So, you did buy that mirror on Black Friday!  Hope you saved a lot on it!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
21  seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago

This article is closing in 10 minutes. 

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
21.1  Spikegary  replied to  JohnRussell @21    7 years ago

That was posted 11 minutes ago.....wonder if you are getting your last words in?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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21.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @21.1.1    7 years ago

lol. 

 
 
 
sixpick
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21.1.4  sixpick  replied to  Release The Kraken @21.1.1    7 years ago

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sp8rKIybjJA/THd26fCcgtI/AAAAAAAAAC8/qmkmb4IAjxE/s1600/surrender.jpg

 
 

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