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Amtrak train derails in Washington state onto Interstate 5; 'multiple fatalities' reported

  

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Via:  capt-cave-man  •  7 years ago  •  96 comments

Amtrak train derails in Washington state onto Interstate 5; 'multiple fatalities' reported

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It is important to remember, Obama cut all funding to rail transportation.  The blood of these people is on Obama's hands.


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Willjay9
Freshman Silent
1  Willjay9    7 years ago
It is important to remember, Obama cut all funding to rail transportation. 

Umm....you better try that one again!

The Republican-led House Appropriations Committee voted 30-21 to reduce grants to Amtrak by $252 million -- a drop of about 15% from last year's level. The cut would apply only to Amtrak's capital spending and wouldn't touch funding levels for safety and operations. The measure still needs to clear the full House and Senate before it would go into effect in October.
Democrats on the panel fought unsuccessfully to boost Amtrak funding by $1 billion, to $2.4 billion. But Republicans argued that such a spending increase would need to be offset by cuts elsewhere in the budget, and they admonished Democrats for pointing to the derailment in an effort to increase funding for the passenger rail service.
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The blood of these people is on Obama's hands.
Never letting a tragedy go to waste huh? Even if you have to lie to do it!
 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Willjay9 @1    7 years ago
Never letting a tragedy go to waste huh?

that is Obama's former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's line.

 
 
 
Willjay9
Freshman Silent
1.1.1  Willjay9  replied to  Sunshine @1.1    7 years ago

Soo...nothing about the lie the seeder tried to construe regarding this tragedy?

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
1.1.2  Rex Block  replied to  Willjay9 @1.1.1    7 years ago

It had nothing to do with funding...this was a "high speed" train that Democrats want to install everywhere, and was going too fast.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Rex Block @1.1.2    7 years ago

The Chinese were imported to help America build the railway across the country a long time ago. If America wants to upgrade to high speed trains (here they travel at 300 kmh and even faster - I've had the pleasant experience of being a passenger on them) they need to import more Chinese rail technicians to help them do it.

Of course such a network of bullet trains would pose serious competition for domestic airlines. The trains run from inside cities (compared to outlying airports that take longer times to reach) and so save time in addition to their running speed.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
1.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.3    7 years ago

I don't know if I would feel safe in something going that fast running on magnets.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.1.5  charger 383  replied to  Rex Block @1.1.2    7 years ago

NO! this was a regular speed train

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.4    7 years ago

Magnets? They run on rails, and 'you ain't seen nothin' yet' :

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
1.1.7  tomwcraig  replied to  Rex Block @1.1.2    7 years ago

It wasn't a high speed train.  The track only allows trains to go 79 mph and Monday was the first day that track had ever been used, and the first train to use it jumped the track.  Sounds like improperly constructed track to me.

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
1.1.8  Rex Block  replied to  tomwcraig @1.1.7    7 years ago

I believe I heard on the news is that the speed where the wreck occurred was only 30 MPH.

 
 
 
Willjay9
Freshman Silent
1.1.9  Willjay9  replied to  Rex Block @1.1.2    7 years ago
It had nothing to do with funding...

But yet somehow the seed suggests that it was and it was Obama's fault?!

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
1.1.10  tomwcraig  replied to  Rex Block @1.1.8    7 years ago

It could be but the speed on most of that track was 79 mph.  And, high speed trains usually have a max speed near 200 mph.  Most Amtrack trains go less than 100 mph at all times.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
1.1.11  Sunshine  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.6    7 years ago

I guess those are in the future

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
1.1.12  Explorerdog  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.3    7 years ago

Sure that is why the Chinese bought Japanese mag lev.

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
1.1.13  Explorerdog  replied to  Explorerdog @1.1.12    7 years ago

oops German

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Participates
1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Willjay9 @1    7 years ago
Never letting a tragedy go to waste huh? Even if you have to lie to do it!

So who put there final signature on it?

 
 
 
Willjay9
Freshman Silent
1.4.1  Willjay9  replied to  KDMichigan @1.4    7 years ago

The seeder

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
Freshman Silent
1.4.2  seeder  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  Willjay9 @1.4.1    7 years ago
On March 2, Obama signed a bill

Sorry, the seeder is not Obama.

 
 
 
Willjay9
Freshman Silent
1.4.3  Willjay9  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1.4.2    7 years ago

Well seeing as though Obama signed a bill that DIDN'T CUT ANY FUNDING FROM RAILROADS.....I'd say it was you who put the final signature on this seed!..

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Willjay9 @1    7 years ago

Try a reliable source.  

 
 
 
Willjay9
Freshman Silent
1.5.1  Willjay9  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.5    7 years ago
Try a reliable source.

Tell the seeder that.......Just because you all believe Trump's crap about CNN being fake news doesn't negate the fact that Obama nor the Democrats tried to cut ANY funding from Amtrak.......the blood lies squarely on Republican hands and we have the Congressional votes to prove it!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.5.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Willjay9 @1.5.1    7 years ago
Tell the seeder that

I'm telling that to you.  YOU linked a CNN article as well.

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
Freshman Silent
1.5.3  seeder  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  Willjay9 @1.5.1    7 years ago

And let me give you a fucking clue.

congress does not sign the budget into law.

President Obama did.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.5.4  Split Personality  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1.5.3    7 years ago

Funding appears to be relatively constant.  

Congress takes Amtrak's profits into account when hashing out the grants which accounts for some of the flatness and minute decline in 2016.

All in all, the statement under the photo, "It is important to remember, Obama cut all funding to rail transportation."

appears to be completely false.....even "Pants on Fire" false.

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
Freshman Silent
1.5.5  seeder  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  Split Personality @1.5.4    7 years ago

Not when you consider the steep increases that Obama imposed on rail doing business.  Increase the Cost = Decrease the funding.

simple concept really.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.5.6  Split Personality  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1.5.5    7 years ago

BS

Your statement was that Obama "cut all funding" which is easily refuted.

Your statement that Obama raised Amtrak ticket prices is equally disingenuous.

Taxes increase and Oil prices fluctuate. Everyone has to deal with it, it's all factored in to the daily operations.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.5.7  Split Personality  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1.5.5    7 years ago
Not when you consider the steep increases that Obama imposed on rail doing business.

The steep increase is a myth in your own mind.

Amtrak has a 18.6 Billion dollar operating budget and covers 94% by ticket sales. 

CSX continues to grow and profit, running on the same fuel.........

 
 
 
Willjay9
Freshman Silent
1.5.8  Willjay9  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1.5.3    7 years ago

congress does not sign the budget into law.

President Obama did

Yeah a budget that cut absolutely NO FUNDING from rail systems!....but hey you know facts....who needs em right?

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
Freshman Silent
1.6  seeder  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  Willjay9 @1    7 years ago
Never letting a tragedy go to waste huh? Even if you have to lie to do it!

Hey genius, what do you think fuels Amtrak trains??

Not only did Obama raise the ticket price, he lowered the amount of cash available for maintenance, effectively defunding any safety measures that would have been achieved by the railroads.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.6.1  Split Personality  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @1.6    7 years ago
Not only did Obama raise the ticket price, he lowered the amount of cash available for maintenance, effectively defunding any safety measures that would have been achieved by the railroads.

More nonsense.

Congress funds Amtrak by two separate grants, one for daily operations, one for construction.  Safety could fall into either category but that's neither here or there.

                Amtrak covered 94 percent of its costs in 2016 with ticket sales but relies on government funding for capital investment and repairs. It currently operates on an annual budget of                   $18.6 billion.

Currently Trumps 2018 budget cuts Amtraks budget by at least 13% and reportedly removes the construction budget to other projects, effectively a possible 40% cut.

I wonder, to whom will you assign the blame when the ticket prices double?

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
Freshman Silent
1.6.2  seeder  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  Split Personality @1.6.1    7 years ago
I wonder, to whom will you assign the blame when the ticket prices double?

Lets discuss it when it actually, you know, happens?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    7 years ago

It is important to remember, Obama cut all funding to rail transportation.  The blood of these people is on Obama's hands.

The ENTIRE text of the article posted is fake, false 'news'. 

Is Newstalkers vying to be the next Gateway Pundit? laughing dude

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
5  charger 383    7 years ago

From Trainorders (Railfan Paysite) this was first revenue run of a train on new route, all new or rebuilt track.  Speed speed drops from 80 to 30 for curve where train derailed.  This is just before bridge over interstate that train fell off of.  Alignment of curve and bridge were from where older route was used, track was new.

Positive Train Control was not yet in use here    

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
6  Hal A. Lujah    7 years ago

I blame illegal immigrants.

... and gays.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
6.1  Sunshine  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6    7 years ago

don't forget Christians

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
6.2  Rex Block  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6    7 years ago

And don't forget the liberals.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
7  bbl-1    7 years ago

What ever.  More tax cuts to billionaires will fix it.

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
8  Spikegary    7 years ago

I read this morning that the train was doing 80 MPH in a 30 MPH zone.......that is likely the causation.......doesn't really have to do with infrastructure, has to do with physics.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
8.1  Split Personality  replied to  Spikegary @8    7 years ago

Human error.....

 
 

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