The Silent Minority?

  
Via:  colour-me-free  •  last year  •  51 comments

The Silent Minority?

Last night my youngest son was having a discussion regarding guns with a gaming buddy in Florida - Ta Da, there is at least one student with a different point of view when it comes to gun control and school safety...  Sadly most everything that he has to say is being picked up by FOX news (just not a source that I rely on/turn to) yet they are the ones that are listening to the other side of the aisle when it comes to the 'Never Again' movement.

I spent the morning watching interview after interview of Parkland students/survivors .. I was looking for a different message than ban guns .. difficult to find for sure - David Hogg certainly gets plenty of air time  ... 

Here is what I found, that involves a different student point of view without coming from FOX!....

Kyle Kashuv, a junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, joins Margaret Brennan to discuss gun rights and school safety reforms.

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Colour Me Free
1  seeder  Colour Me Free    last year

Definitely not interesting in an argument, but this young person represents the voices that I am hearing in my lil piece of the world .. there are other avenues for safety besides banning.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @1    last year
'there are other avenues for safety besides banning.'

Yes indeed there are and it appears that you are the only one saying that people are saying to ban all weapons - ban all guns

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
1.1.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    last year

Please show me where I stated ban all weapons / ban all guns .. take the drama elsewhere, your dishonesty is not welcome here..

Thanks

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.1    last year
'Please show me where I stated ban all weapons / ban all guns .. take the drama elsewhere, your dishonesty is not welcome here..'

Your omissions are glaringly obvious.  

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
1.1.3  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    last year

I omitted nothing... there are NO assault weapons available to the general public, so calling for the ban of said weapon is disingenuous at best.  A weapons ban is being called for.. end of story. 

I have not once said that the weapons ban encompassed all weapons - that is what those that lack knowledge seem to like to contribute to the conversation, as if to call gun owners paranoid, clinging to their guns and bibles is factual .. quite dishonest, but it fits a narrative, so run with it?  correct? 

I have nothing further for you Tessylo, as I stated yesterday "your dishonesty is not welcome here"....

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.3    last year
'I omitted nothing..'
Yeah, you did
'as if to call gun owners paranoid, clinging to their guns and bibles is factual ..'

You left out a part dear - they cling to their guns, bibles and ignorance - THAT IS FACTUAL.  

I'm not dishonest.  The dishonest part is your omission.  

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
1.1.5  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.4    last year

Please make no further comments to me .. thanks!

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.5    last year

No value {SP}

 
 
 
sixpick
1.1.7  sixpick  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.3    last year
I have not once said that the weapons ban encompassed all weapons

But that is the objective.  Just because some don't get it, doesn't mean it isn't so.  

I was switching the channels last night and I think it was MSNBC, but it could have been CNN, was having a discussion about guns with some teenagers.  One of the teenagers didn't want the armed guards in the school because she said it was a gateway to prison for black students.  You know, when will we accept the fact that if you don't commit the crime, you won't have to be looking over your shoulder or wondering if someone is looking at you with suspicion?  You may be completely innocent, but some of your classmates aren't and they bring this suspicion on you for their actions.

I know this is off topic and you can remove it if you want.

I was at a store yesterday and the store was closing for good at 6pm.  We had some equipment in the store and were going to remove it before the store closed.  I had to wait there until my friend with his SUV arrived.  I've never seen so many people shopping at that store.  The owner is in another town and left the employee there for the closing.  I saw people coming in and walking out with a case of beer in each hand.  Then a few minutes later, I would see the same people coming back in as though it was the first time and walking out with another couple of cases of beer and some cigarettes.  The parking lot was full of cars and they were there to get in on the giveaway.

The employee asked one little girl who was with what he called his mother if she wanted some candy and told her 'have at it'.  The mother went back to the cooler, picked up a couple more cases of beer while the little girl 'had at it'  My point is I see crap like this every day, not a store closing, but a mentality of dishonesty and thievery.  Also think of the influence this has on the little girl.  It's a never ending story of setting the stage for a lifestyle of crime on the future generations.  It reminded me of 'Idiocracy', the movie.

It's time these parents started setting good examples of how to live your life, instead of the examples they are setting and stop blaming others for the suspicions they have against them, which are justified.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
1.1.8  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  sixpick @1.1.7    last year

Morning sixpick..

Ultimately, yes I agree that if all guns could be regulated/controlled it would be a wet dream come true for many - already we see discussion over Switzerland gun laws and how they work - Canada has similar laws, just not as many guns .. even how Australia has done things is a topic of conversation...

Interestingly enough, I had a conversation with my youngest and one of his buddies last night (the 2 of them hung cupboards in my laundry room) we spoke on guns and school safety ... neither of them seemed to think that banning of 'specific' weapons was an answer .. having guards in the school they both seemed to think was like having a big brother watch your back.

2 weeks ago a student brought a gun to my son's high school (as well as drugs) the resource officer listened to the students and stopped the young man in the parking lot before he could enter the building - the student fled after trying to run the officer over, shots were exchanged and a high speed pursuit took place .. catching the perp about a mile from the high school - he tossed his gun into the lawn of an assisted living/nursing home. (NO clue what happened to the drugs).  Now the student is claiming racial bias by the officer ... dishonesty is a part of life ... Change through Blame .. what a concept huh?

I do not care about off topic as long as a discussion is taking place - and not the tossing back and forth of inane comments of whataboutism and I know what you are but what am I ... 

Peace

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.1.9  1stwarrior  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.8    last year

Colour - remember, the Swiss have a MANDATORY two year military obligation (minimum) for all males - females can voluntarily serve - and they are ALL issued rifles at their enlistment.

So, in effect, you're comparing apples to oranges since the U. S. did away with their draft after the 'Nam war, 45 years ago.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
1.1.10  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.9    last year

I am comparing nothing .. others speak of the lack of gun violence in Switzerland, and the per capita gun ownership .. always failing to mention that many gun owners cannot actually bring their weapons home and that ammunition must be accounted for...

already we see discussion over Switzerland gun laws and how they work - Canada has similar laws, just not as many guns .. even how Australia has done things is a topic of conversation...

My statement in NO way compared US gun laws to any other country - none of the countries whose gun laws have been discussed in other seeds have a Constitutional right to bear arms.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Colour Me Free @1    last year

Thanks for posting this. I've seen Kyle in a couple of interviews. He's a very well-spoken young man. Here's another interview if you're interested:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/26/march-our-lives-kyle-kashuv-says-rubio-not-blame-gun-control-wont-work

I found it sad that one of Kyle's outspoken fellow classmates, Cameron Kasky, backed out of a debate with him because his feelings got hurt:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/03/28/cameron-kasky-withdraws-from-debate-with-fellow-student-kyle-kashuv-and-the-reaso-n2465160

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
1.2.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2    last year

Thanks for the links Jasper....

I watched a couple interviews Kasky this morning .. had NO idea there had been a possible debate scheduled - would have been good programming, both are well spoken young people...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.2.1    last year
had NO idea there had been a possible debate scheduled - would have been good programming,

I didn't know until I ran across that article. I definitely would have watched it. 

both are well spoken young people...

I agree, although I still don't understand why Cameron got so upset.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
1.2.3  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.2    last year
I still don't understand why Cameron got so upset.

NO clue ... other than emotions are running high .. 

I admit, when I saw a report on clear backpacks, I cringed - it solves nothing, def does not ensure school safety .. yet neither will the ban of weapons.  Between 2009 and 2016 there were 156 mass shooting .. 2 of which were committed by an individual under 21 with an AR-15 (or semi automatic rifle)

Here is a couple interesting reads:

Raising the age limit on the AR-15 from 18 to 21 would do depressingly little

Very few teenagers commit mass shootings with semiautomatic rifles.

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/27/17042228/age-limit-guns-florida-shooting-ar15

What we know about mass shootings

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/feb/14/what-we-know-about-mass-shootings/

 
 
 
magnoliaave
2  magnoliaave    last year

How would one go about banning guns in the U.S.?  Would there be a door to door search?

Violence by students..what to do about that?

Stricter laws that are followed might work.

LEO following all leads of questionable circumstances might work.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  magnoliaave @2    last year

Hi mags ...

Nahh, I would doubt a door to door search would take place .. but those with registered guns might see an officer at their door - hard to say..

The banning would be from 'this' time forward .. I have not read anything regarding the confiscation of weapons that 'law abiding' citizens of the US already possess...

 
 
 
Spikegary
3  Spikegary    last year

Glad to see at least one dissenting voice can be heard.  I've seen this young man's interview before.  There are measures that fall between the extremes of the pendulum swings.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
3.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Spikegary @3    last year

Agreed Spikegary .. when my (not so) lil man told me about Kyle - I had to go and see what I could find (I watch Meet the Press, but that is about it regarding network television political programming)  Kyle is it ... I hear the voices locally, but they are not being interviewed here either - the only students 'changing' America are the ones with a ban weapons message ... everyone else is not invited to the party? .... so to speak.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Spikegary @3    last year
There are measures that fall between the extremes of the pendulum swings.

For once we agree. I've never supported any outright ban of guns in the US. I'm for strict universal background checks, waiting periods, limits on magazine size, bans on bump stocks and military style assault rifles including some semi-automatic rifles. That in no way violates the 2nd amendment so there is no need to modify or repeal it.

We should approve a ban on new sales of assault style rifles and implement a volunteer buyback option similar to what they did in Australia but only for those specifically listed assault weapons. We should require a background check for all gun sales including gun shows and aftermarket private sales. Will those measures guarantee there won't be another mass shooting with someone who got their hands on an AR-15 or other semi-automatic assault rifle? Of course not, but it will help limit criminals and the mentally ill from getting their hands on them. Much like locking your doors and windows doesn't mean a burglar can't get into your home, it's still a good idea to lock up instead of just openly risking an easy target home invasion. Let's stop making it so easy for criminals and the mentally ill to get their hands on weapons designed for maximum casualties.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    last year
Let's stop making it so easy for criminals and the mentally ill to get their hands on weapons designed for maximum casualties.

Right! All those really, really strict gun laws will keep those criminals and the mentally ill from getting those evil guns

NOT!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    last year
Right! All those really, really strict gun laws will keep those criminals and the mentally ill from getting those evil guns

They would stop some, in my opinion a large portion of them. Is it not worth doing at all just because it's never going to be 100% effective? That's a sad defeatist mentality.

 
 
 
Spikegary
3.2.3  Spikegary  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    last year

I won a shotgun form a gun raffle a few eyars back.  When I picked it up, I had to fill out federal paperwork, then wait for the background check, which was pretty fast actually, before I could pick up the weapon.  For my pistol license in New York, I had to fill out mucho paperowrk, detail everything that has happened in my life, then go to a class, then wait (about 60 days total) for a judge to approve my pistol license.  I have to go to the county pistol office before i can take posession of a purchased or gifted pistol.

Assault Rifles are what exactly?  You cannot buy, without a serious Federal Firearms License (FFL), automatic weapons.  So what is an assault weapon?  A semi-automatic rifle?  Why is it that?  Without addressing the operator, banning the instrument does nothing.  In Britain, acid attacks are becoming commonplace, plus knifings are also happening.  How do you stop someone intent on doing evil?  It's impossible to ban everything when the head and heart are bent on doing murder.

Maybe video games that gloriy shooting other people?  We might want to address that.....or how about television shows that have people shooting others (although I did watch the rifleman as a kid-reruns-for you old farts-and I have never shot anyone).  So how do we address the operator?  As the operator is the real cause.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
3.2.4  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Spikegary @3.2.3    last year
How do you stop someone intent on doing evil?
So how do we address the operator? As the operator is the real cause.

I question the number of individuals that actually believe that evil exists .. Most everything is considered 'mental illness' .. must prevent the 'mentally ill' from obtaining weapons, when less than 1% of annual mass shootings are committed by the seriously mentally ill.  Go figure, I wonder how long it will take for individuals to figure that out?

Evil bastard exist .. the Colorado theatre shooter lost his mind after he discovered just how evil he could be!   (my opinion)

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.2.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    last year
Right! All those really, really strict gun laws will keep those criminals and the mentally ill from getting those evil guns

Right--removing the option to get an AR-15 will definitely keep those people from getting them.  It worked when the AWB was in effect. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4  Tessylo    last year

'I spent the morning watching interview after interview of Parkland students/survivors .. I was looking for a different message than ban guns .. difficult to find for sure - David Hogg certainly gets plenty of air time  ... '

I don't know where you are finding these folks who are talking about banning guns.  

 
 
 
DRHunk
5  DRHunk    last year

They are making the leap that the call to ban assault weapons = banning all guns.  a post above even went so far as to say ban weapons removing the word assault either unknowingly or purposefully to cause mischief.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1  Tessylo  replied to  DRHunk @5    last year
'either unknowingly or purposefully to cause mischief.'

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

 
 
 
Kathleen
6  Kathleen    last year

Good afternoon Colour,

I always thought that there are more issues here then just gun control. The FBI, really screwed up on this one. There were so many red flags about this guy that was overlooked. Plus the officer that was such a coward and stayed away instead of going in to help these students. It's became such a political platform and some of the reasons for this happening is being shoved under the rug.  It's a combination of blame here, not just the weapons.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
6.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @6    last year

Hi B..

I agree, the ball was dropped by law enforcement ... 

I listen to some heart breaking interviews this morning ... Megyn Kelly had several survivors on her program in the after math.

Hope you are feeling better (?)

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Colour Me Free @6.1    last year

Got a nagging cough..... But doing okay. Thank you.

I think so many people are being narrow minded about this, if they would have acted on these red flags then he would have been taken care of no matter what weapon he used... You just don't hear that. 

Have a nice day. : )

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
6.1.2  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.1    last year

Get better soon..

Had the shooter lived in an officers neighborhood more attention may have been paid, hard to say.  The signs were there, but the level of criminality appears not to have caused alarm with law enforcement  .. even the FBI was notified of the individual - people were scared! 

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  Colour Me Free @6.1.2    last year

Hey Colour,  I just want to let you know that I am going to be off the site. Getting pretty tired of the insults thrown at me lately. Some act like I am not smart enough to be on it. It wears you down. 

So I will text you soon. Talk to you later...

 
 
 
sixpick
6.1.4  sixpick  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.3    last year

Hope you get to feeling better Kathleen and don't let anyone else control your emotions, because we all know you are very smart and have lots of common sense to spare.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
6.1.5  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.3    last year

Morning B ...

Sorry that I did not see this last night ... Please do not allow the dishonest word twisting names callers to drive you away.  Your opinion is valued by many.

Text me anytime, you know I am always here..

Peace my friend

 
 
 
Spikegary
6.1.6  Spikegary  replied to  Colour Me Free @6.1.5    last year

One member was following her around the site and making disparaging 'Blonde' comments after her comments.  That person should be suspended, if not banned altogether.  No reason for it, excpet their ego needs to feel superior to others.

B-please don't leave-just understand that some people can't hold their own and that forces them to go after others to make them feel like they are useful human beings.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
6.1.7  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Spikegary @6.1.6    last year

Really?  Please do disclose information via private notes (if that is not a CoC violation).. thanks...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
6.1.8  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Spikegary @6.1.6    last year

Gosh golly!!  Blonde jokes?  That is appalling!  How will she ever get over such a traumatic experience?  This is an outrage - how could that happen on a site where everyone is mandated to be complimentary and flattering?  That villain should be tarred, feathered, and burned at the stake - using the first amendment as kindling!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
6.1.9  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.8    last year

Still upset your advise regarding 'her daughters' education path was not taken?

Interesting how the first amendment is ever bit as misinterpreted as the second is by many .. yet the 'first amendment' has lil to nothing to do with ridiculing a fellow poster on a website that has a code of conduct, does it?  Do 'we' not all agree to adhere to said code?  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
6.1.10  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Colour Me Free @6.1.9    last year

Still upset your advise regarding 'her daughters' education path was not taken?

Not at all.  The country needs ditch diggers too.  Those fries aren’t going to cook themselves.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.11  TᵢG  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.10    last year
The country needs ditch diggers too.

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.1.12  Kathleen  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.11    last year

Sure, I will keep you all posted on her success.

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.1.13  Kathleen  replied to  Spikegary @6.1.6    last year

Thank you Spike, I am getting over pneumonia, I have it in both lungs. So I was and still on medication and resting a lot. Feeling a little better. : )

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.1.14  Kathleen  replied to  sixpick @6.1.4    last year

Thank you Six, feeling a little better. 

 
 
 
GaJenn78
6.1.15  GaJenn78  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.14    last year

Hi Kathleen! Glad you are feeling better! I'm glad to see you back :-)

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.1.16  Kathleen  replied to  GaJenn78 @6.1.15    last year

Thank you Jen... : )

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.12    last year

My comment was tagging on to Hal's.  Just adding a bit of humor since I recognized the reference.   I was not making a comment about the thread even though it is reasonable for you to think I was.

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.1.18  Kathleen  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.17    last year

I sort of figured that out.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.18    last year

(just wanted to make sure)

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
7  Dean Moriarty    last year

I know I'm part of the silent minority that is sick of the ban and would like to see new machine guns available to the public. This old junk is overpriced due to the governments distortion of the free market. 

https://machineguncentral.com

 
 
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