Joy Reid Apologizes To LGBT Community For Tweets, Posts | AM Joy | MSNBC
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Published on Apr 28, 2018
Joy Reid apologizes for her writings and tweets that were harmful to the LGBT community adding, “I should have known better.” Then a panel of LGBT community leaders discusses the need for progressives to acknowledge the positive aspects of evolving on LGBT issues, and the need to remain vigilant regarding the Trump administration.
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This Saturday, I awoke to find Joy Reid disturbed and speaking in mea culpa tones and disposition. I willingly admit I have not been keeping up with this flowing account of a problem of sharing pulled from her past. Though, I recall her briefly mentioning it during a recent interview with 'Killer Mike.' Apparently, this has "broken-wide open" if only locally in the greater NY City area, and now more of us are being prepared to listen, decide, and accept so that we can either move on from Joy, or stay put with one of our favorite and hard-working MSNBC morning anchors.
I like Joy Reid. She is morning television unique for me. I do not have a comprehensive handle of what this controversy is about, nevertheless. If y'all do - please share and open up. This is a significant one to discuss. I hope, for a bunch of reason, you think so too
AM Joy! How do you view Joy Reid and her weekend show?
The right wants to take Joy Reid down because she has been effective at attacking them with her weekend shows.
If she was anti-gay 10 years ago, she says she has changed. It is the ones that don't change we should be worried about.
Exactly, JR, what matters is what position a person takes in the here and now, if they stand up for civil rights or not. The right does the same thing with Robert Byrd, even now when he's passed, they still bring it up and it's a total non argument. That bigotry has a home with the Republican party is blatantly obvious and undeniable from any reasonable point of view.
Let me share my story here and now. In 1993, when I became "Born again" into Christian faith and beliefs, the single saddest biblical concept to me was the one that goes, " 1 Corinthians 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed , you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the LORD Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God"
Practically-speaking, this meant I was separated from my past attitudes and actions, would have to learn new attitudes and manners of living, and apply these in order to receive different outcomes . I did learn.
However, in 2012, President Obama aligned federal law with the constitution in regards to homosexual marriage—giving homosexuals a big opportunity to live wholesome lives in unison and possibly in peace. As a result of this, I was faced with standing up as a status quo conservative Christian on the issue or resolving same-sex marriage in my spirit. I resolved the matter.
Leave homosexuals alone! Let homosexuals marry. Let homosexual Christians face God according to their belief, understanding, and standing on faith alone . This way I, we, can keep another important Christian doctrine: " Romans 12:18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone."
Just love people. Even people with whom I disagree.
Thus keeping another New Testament scripture: " 1 Corinthians 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love. But now these three things abide: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love."
Therefore, I can understand what Joy Reid is saying: People do evolve, sometimes "in a twinkling of an eye" on the important issues of life! President Obama did, Our parents did. Many Christians did.
I know exactly what President Obama meant when he said his position had evolved on the subject, went through the same evolution in my late thirties/early forties. I'm the same age as Obama and I too was bigoted against homosexuals at one time. It's difficult to break bigotry that has been drilled into you from day one.
Our differences, of all kinds, get blown up so out of proportion that we become alienated, "aliens" to one another. We don't talk anymore and the lack of communication increases alienation. We tell our children to not talk, furthering the alienation across generational boundaries, and thus we cause mysteries to sprout of what by then has become 'those others,' - over there.
It is surprising to see where Joy Reid's head was ten years ago. It is sometimes a shock to see who are person is before success hits! On the otherhand, success comes with its own set of conditions, and only a true fool would not change to accept a better outcome—especially when it means they can become a more integrated person themselves.
President Obama shifted a lot of hearts and minds, and since it is not measurable we will never known the depth of it. I literally watched pastors "re-racking" their sermons and lectures to recognize inclusion up to varying degrees after President Obama supported same-sex marriage. They did this, because they valued President Obama as a leader!
????? What exactly did Obama do in 2012 to accomplish what you claim?
FYI, he first publicly supported marriage equality in 1995 twice on the record. Any pandering he did to right-wing bible-babblers since then was just that, pandering......as his campaign chair admitted. Although why Obama thought he'd win any votes from right-wing Christian extremists is a mystery.
White House backs gay marriage in Supreme Court brief
March 1, 2013
US PRESIDENT Barack Obama's administration threw its weight behind gay marriage, urging the Supreme Court to strike down California's ban on same-sex unions. The court is set to examine the issue on March 26, when it will study the constitutionality of California's Proposition 8, a measure approved by a 2008 referendum that outlawed gay marriage in the most populous US state.
In a separate brief to the court concerning another case, the administration has asked justices to declare the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act - a law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman - unconstitutional. The Justice Department filed the latest brief in support of moves to have the California measure overturned, arguing it violates the 14th Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees citizens equal rights.
"Throughout history, we have seen the unjust consequences of decisions and policies rooted in discrimination," Attorney General Eric Holder warned. "The issues before the Supreme Court in this case... are not just important to the tens of thousands of Americans who are being denied equal benefits and rights under our laws, but to our nation as a whole."
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The Family Research Council, a conservative Christian group promoting the traditional family unit, highlighted what it called the Obama administration's "hypocrisy." "President Obama, who was against same-sex 'marriage' before he was for it, and his administration, which said the Defense of Marriage Act was constitutional before they said it was unconstitutional, has now flip-flopped again on the issue of same-sex 'marriage,' putting allegiance to extreme liberal social policies ahead of constitutional principle," FRC president Tony Perkins said in a statement.
"For the Obama administration to now challenge Proposition 8 - ' federalizing ' what is a settled matter under California state law - is an act of brazen hypocrisy."
. . . .The White House's support had been expected since Obama shifted his stance on the same-sex marriage question before his re-election last year.
"President Obama and the solicitor general have taken another historic step forward consistent with the great civil rights battles of our nation's history," said Chad Griffin, head of the Human Rights Campaign gay advocacy group.
"The president has turned the inspirational words of his second inaugural address into concrete action by urging our nation's highest court to put an end to discrimination against loving, committed gay and lesbian couples."
Last month, Obama made the first-ever direct reference to gay rights in a US president's inaugural address, saying: "Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law.
"For if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well."
No one should have been surprised that the Obama admin would file amicus briefs arguing against such blatantly unconstitutional laws, particularly since in 2008 Obama campaigned against Prop h8 and promised to work to repeal DOMA. But while those briefs contain a good history of the irrational and unjust persecution of gays in the US it's not clear that the court adopted the argument which the DOJ was really making - that sexual orientation be treated with heightened scrutiny.
In any event the only thing the Obama admin did to "align federal law with the constitution in regards to homosexual marriage" was to order the DOJ and all federal agencies to review federal statutes and update administrative code so that it aligned with the SCOTUS ruling which struck down DOMA, so that happened after June of 2013. Was that what you were referring to?
And even then there were some key aspects they were unable to fix until the 2015 ruling in Obergefell, particularly in regards to Social Security benefits which hinged on one's state of residency rather than which state issued the marriage license (a holdover from southern Jim Crow laws about mixed-race marriage).
Shrekk, I am not sure what we're doing in this moment. Obama facilitated and set into motion a series of occurrences which ultimately ended in same-sex marriage being passed in the Supreme Court! It really is not anything for us to disagree over - i f that is what is happening here. I can probably find where the courts (SCOTUS) points out that when "the Administration" is in agreement with a position it helps speed up Court assent, or words to that effect.
If you're married in Massachusetts and you move someplace else, you're still married': Obama pushes for gay marriage to be legalised across US as it is still banned in 35 STATES despite landmark ruling
By Daily Mail Reporter
Published: 11:24 EDT, 27 June 2013
Obama has carefully staked out his position on same-sex marriage throughout his political career. In a questionnaire from a gay newspaper in Chicago during his 1996 Illinois Senate race, he replied, 'I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.'
Two years later, he declared himself undecided.
On the call: The White House released this picture of President Obama calling Edie Windsor from Air Force One
By 2004, as he ran for the U.S. Senate, he said he opposed gay marriage for politically strategic reasons, saying Republicans would exploit the issue, and he advocated instead for gay civil unions. In his 2006 book 'The Audacity of Hope,' he cited his own faith as a reason to oppose same-sex marriage, though he also wrote, 'I must admit that I may have been infected with society's prejudices and predilections and attributed them to God.'
Despite initial apprehensions, many gay rights advocates now hail him as a hero. Even before he announced his support for gay marriage in May of last year, gay donors were pumping several million dollars into Obama's campaign fund as he ran for re-election. He already had signed hate crimes legislation that made it a federal crime to assault someone because of his or her sexual orientation or gender identity, had signed a repeal of the 'don't ask don't tell' military policy and had instructed the Justice Department to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act.
'In terms of American society, he has truly brought us out of the closet,' said Fred Sainz of the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay rights group. 'He has lived up to his claim of being a tireless advocate on behalf of our community.'
No he didn't, it was the plaintiffs and a number of very skilled attorneys like Roberta Kaplan, Mary Bonauto and others who did that. They were the only ones with standing to bring a case before the court.......and in both cases they succeeded the very first time a challenge to these bans was heard on the merits.
Credit where credit is due - Obama, Biden and Axelrod were quite smart in how they played this given that the President has no impact whatsoever on state marriage licenses and very little impact on the federal recognition of those licenses. Nor does he really have much impact on SCOTUS although the historical review which the DOJ provided has proven useful far beyond just the marriage issue. And I have no doubt that those amicus briefs from the DOJ had some impact on the court.
But given how little direct impact a President has on matters of state and federal law in regards to marriage, Obama was doing the right thing literally from day one of his administration. There were a series of EOs issued during the first year which corrected a number of serious problems like hospital visitation rights, suspended DADT discharges until he could get it repealed, suspended foreign spousal deportations until DOMA was struck down, etc. On a practical basis he did all the right things within the limited scope of what he actually could accomplish.
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We're just disputing one very trivial issue about Obama. We both agree that what happened in the end is a very good thing, and we agree that he was doing what he could to help.
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I definitely agree with that, although I think he could have made a simpler and more pointed argument by noting that for most of his childhood the marriage of his parents was illegal throughout the south, and opposed on religious grounds by almost all conservative Christian sects.
I will agree with the court details, and thanks for providing them. I simply did not go that deep. Moreover, Holder's DOJ did clear out the minutia ("underbrush") of opposing legal policies surrounding same-sex marriage at the federal level. Presidential EOs established a pattern of assent, influence for the public to consider, 'voice,' and signaled the Court that even though the "Do nothing" Congress was not going to assist—the Administration was "All-in" on same-sex marriage. Deal?
Good comment, Shrekk!
Absolutely. The reality is that Obama did everything he was legally able to do.
I'm guessing this would AFTER Obama made this statement:
Yup, Obama was a little behind the curve there. The whole nation had evolved on the issue. State by State was granting same sex marriage and then the SCOTUS jumped the gun and legislated a right of same sex marriage and we are now all united on the issue.
I am glad you posted that as some tend to forget
And? I am glad he changed his mind when he did, because it is a strong illustration of the power of a leader to positively affect hearts and minds.
No that was Trump.
That was just Obama pandering to rather gullible bigots. Why he thought a black guy could win the votes of such dumb bigots is a mystery.
The reality is that he first came out in full support of marriage equality in 1995, and he campaigned against DOMA, DADT and Prop h8 in 2008. So you'd have to be unusually dimwitted to think that he didn't support equal rights all along.
Too harsh. More tact, please.
That's Obama being a hypocrite (again).
He got the votes. His first campaign, he was the "new guy". Wasn't a career politician and promised to be something new. Everybody is tired of the career politicians fucking thing and hoped he would be that person that represents the people. Well it didn't take long for that facade to collapse and he represented every BUT the people.
Dimwitted is to ignore what what he said in the video I posted. That was, as he stated it, his "belief". He stuck his head out there, somebody whacked it around a bit and he changed his story. Jut like Joy Reid. She stuck her head out there, everybody slapped it around and now she's trying to walk it back. First by claiming she was hacked (which we all knew as bullshit from the start) and now she's making an apology. Screw her apology. She needs to own up to it 100%.
Sounds like you're admitting to having been suckered in by someone who doesn't support your views.
My Dad is Marvin, I'm Galen. I guess I should have put up a sarc tag on my post. Still Trump did say he thought Obama had bugged his tower. As far as Ms. Reid is concerned, I think like the majority on here, she is allowed to change her mind, without your permission, which she obviously did.
Because the word of a bigot is always to be trusted.
Does Joy's actions speak louder than words? We all know people change, because WE change, too.
They do. They show she's a bigot.
Which ones? Her LGBTQ panel sharing the platform (in the video segment) supporting her efforts of recent years, or some bygone statements in bad taste meant to 'poke' conservatives? (Admittedly, I have only read a few of the controversial statements.)
Incidentally, have you read any of the controversial statements? If so, feel free to share them with us!
Is she also taking trips home to Africa?
I will guess that's sarcasm. Is trump a bigot? Must be since he lies constantly.
But oh how sweet 'tis when change does come! Change can make a hero out of a zero! Now, tell me you know something about that, JR!
Was there a sarcasm tag? No.
This is a challenge I issued to every liberal that seems to be hung up on the President's lying. It's really simple, you just have to name one politician that doesn't lie constantly. Just one.
It kind of points to the 'bag' we force politicians into does it not? We ask our elected politiicians questions they can not answer, shall not answer, and will not answer, then cry foul when they are trapped into an answer. Politicians taking an attitude of its the "wild-west of lying" and "you knew I was unreasonable when you elected me" is a whole separate indefensible category, nevertheless. One with no redeemable value.
So you are going to run to the middle and say it's ok because everyone does it? Really? Trump tells the truth 5% of the time. That's it. Even Bush 2 didn't lie that much. When it comes to lying, trump is in a class all his own.
I wouldn't trust Pence - you're correct. He's an uptight fundamentalist prick and a hateful piece of shit.
Did anyone see how that prick Pence broke the tie and voted for an anti-Planned Parenthood bill - denying federal funds? Uptight hateful prick!
No, please tell us what you really think? LOL (I totally agree with you!)
So you literally always trust the word of a bigot? Wow. Sad.
But SHE LIED ABOUT IT - AND NBC LIED TOO!
She is taking partial ownership of the tweets, not full ownership of some other of them.
Being on social media myself for seven years now I can still remember some of my first comments on MSNBC, later on NewsVine too! Once I remember looking back at a HARDBALL comment board in 2013 and not recognizing my own "speech" there. It was like an 'out of body' experience to read some of the posts. Either I was angry, playful, being catty, or even just ignorant of where I was to be in mind and attitude in 2017! That happens.
To be fair, the problem for Joy Reid is she should have known better than to write any of that professionally. The homosexual "debate" was red-hot since her entry into the world of journalistic politics in 2000. She must face consequences in today's social climate, because her professional integrity is justifiably taking a hard hit.
I like Joy Reid, but other public people's careers have been set-back or crushed by things they have said and done in the past.
If she owns up to everything and simply says my beliefs have changed over time, it would have been enough for me at least on this score.
I have other issues with things she has said more recently.
I can understand conservatives will have issues with (AM!) Joy Reid. She is tough-hitting on Saturdays and Sundays on MSNBC. But you must admit she does "mix" her week panels up well, before she starts 'scorching' conservatives! (Smile.) I get it, Vic. She was/is building something out of nothing in those two day, two-hour weekend, slots on her strength. This will be a set-back or worse.
What She really has done is set the precedent for all of us:
Any time conservatives are criticized for a comment, post or tweet, they should simply respond: “I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things, because they are completely alien to me."
HA! You got me good with that one!
Okay, I found two links to the controversial tweets by Joy Reid from the defunct Reid Report (blog) . Here both are:
1, (This one is. . . interesting.)
2. (This one is more 'severe.')
Image below pulled from #1. list of tweets:
NOTE: I post this in the interest of full sharing. Get it all out in the open . Talk about it and hopefully move back in and around Ms. Joy Reid!
As someone who isn't gay I am wondering how her comments were offensive. I truly don't understand what's so offensive about stating that some gay people in the past have chosen to marry female friends so they can fit in, something that has been very hard for openly gay persons since our founding. It's only been in the last few years that most of American society has opened up and tried to accept LGTBQ Americans as the normal law abiding, tax paying human beings they are. And is it not true that some politicians who refuse to come out of the closet try to create a fictional narrative about their family life that is more appealing to their electorate?
Joy Reid was calling him out. "Spilling his 't'." "Outing him." Diminishing his relationship with the woman in his life. Spreading rumor and innuendo. And, did you notice John McCain's name in the labels at the bottom? She insinuated John McCain in all this too. Secondly, there is no evidence from then or today that Charlie Crist is homosexual.
It's exactly what many black folks had to do in order to gain equal civil rights - it's called "passing". Hopefully there soon will no longer be a need for anyone to do that in the US today, but I suspect a lot of LGBT kids still need to do it in conservative families. In fact it's only been a few years since the RCC, LDS and SBC sects actively encouraged gays folks to marry the wrong gender.
I would like to be a mic in the room during these management meetings. Stage One Alert! Fight like hell and bring on a cadre of friends to support you, Joy!
MEMO TO JOY - Get yourself a pool where you can practice your back peddle all you want.
Good one, I must admit.
I have my moments
I disagree.
I feel ya, Tessylo. Our dear Joy walked into this 'burning pit' a number of years ago with her eyes wide open! It may be she did not plan national television access. After all, these kind of valuations are definitely thinking locally. But we have been hearing it for decades: Do not sign your name to anything you do not want read aloud. Joy was building her career on radio and tweeting. . . in fact, we could get away with implying she used certain politicians in a manner which helped get her a fan base at the time.
I know. . . I hate 'oversharing' but let's get it all out of our systems so some healing can start! I like Joy, but can not defend the untenable. Notice in the segment above, the 'support team' does not defend her past tweets either. They simply express support for the Joy we've all come to nationally know about and love.
Lastly, NBC is good for Joy Reid and she looks good for NBC reciprocally. A stellar match and pair! I want her to succeed over this. I sincerely do.
Once upon a time a lot of liberals actually possessed and employed common sense. But mob-think from the Far Left has forced many of them to abandon their own minds and say only the things that are politically correct. So 10 and 20 years after saying something perfectly reasonable, they are forced to apologize for it. It's harder and scarier than ever to think freely.
So, for example, in 2016, Hillary Clinton had to apologize for - or deny - several policy positions she held 20 years ago. And Democrats like to pretend that Bill Clinton never endorsed building a barrier at the border and enforcing immigration laws. The Joy Reid stuff doesn't quite rise to the level of serious public policy discussions, but it's all part of the same movement.
Sounds like you're saying that liberals evolve and conservatives don't. I'd agree, particularly since hatred of LGBT folks is still a core part of the GOP platform.
If you think cutting away at personal liberties of a whole sub-set of the citizenry ad infinitum is smart and appropriate, then you are mistaken. People evolve. People change. People enter into different phases of their lives—as you will too. Perhaps you will think differently about those you would allow to live and die as cultural outcasts, as time rolls along for you.
AM Joy! Had a 'fab' two-day weekend set of shows after her on-air apology ending April! That's great. I am so happy for her, the show, and the network! This is coming from the bottom of my heart!!
Keep thriving to achieve greatness in journalism now, Jo-Ann!