If Christian Bakers Actually Applied *That* Logic Consistently
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Christians on the conservative end of the spectrum had long been rooting for victory– they see selling a wedding cake to an LGBTQ couple as being a personal and moral endorsement of the relationship of the couple purchasing it. As such, they feel that it is “forced speech” and they are being forced to endorse something they believe the Bible condemns.
I disagree that selling a wedding cake is an endorsement of the relationship of those who purchase it. However, if these bakers *really* believe this principle is true, and assuming they hold to a more conservative interpretation of the Bible, the reality is that they should be denying wedding cakes to a whole *lot* more than just LGBTQ couples. If Christian bakers applied this same ethical logic consistently, here’s 10 couples they should be refusing to sell wedding cakes to:
10. Career minded brides-to-be.
Let’s make sure we start asking brides what they intend to do after the wedding. The bible is clear- women should be “keepers of the home.” If the bride is career minded or dislikes housework, just tell her “no cake for you!” because you wouldn’t want to endorse a lifestyle that goes against God’s created order.
9. When they’re gluttons or over-eating will take place at the wedding.
Over-eating is a very serious sin, my dear brothers and sisters. Since it is by definition greed, and the Bible calls greed idol worship, we need to make sure that we are not endorsing idol worship. If you have any second thought about this couple over-eating (worshiping idols) you need to refrain from participating in their sin- just say, “no cake for you!”
8. Weddings where there will be drunkenness.
As the brave Christian patriots have argued in the gay wedding cake situations, you need to remember that selling a person a cake is a direct endorsement of their wedding. You’ll want to make sure no one invited to the wedding will be getting drunk (over .08 BAC in most states), because drunk people go to hell, and you don’t want to endorse a behavior that automatically gets people sent to hell.
7. Individuals getting remarried who do not have biblical justification for a prior divorce.
This one is easy but serious- one can only get divorced for two reasons: (a) the other spouse committed adultery, or (b) one was married to an unbeliever who abandoned the believing spouse. Those are the only biblical justifications for divorce, and anything other than those two scenarios means that remarriage will be adultery and fornication. You don’t want to endorse that do you?
The Bible is clear that no unwholesome talk should come out of our mouths, but that’s pretty much what dance music is these days. To make matters worse, folks will often “bump and grind” or “twerk” on the dance floor to this unwholesome music. Remember, if you sell them a cake, you are directly endorsing all of the unwholesome music and sexually provocative behavior that will happen in that ballroom. Don’t take the chance folks– just say, “no cake for you!”
5. Young military couples.
I know it’s fun to use those military cake toppers, but that’s a n0-no folks. The Bible clearly states in Deuteronomy 24 that a man cannot serve in the military during his first year of marriage. If you sell a cake to that young military couple, you will be endorsing a lifestyle that is directly rebelling against God’s inerrant word. Don’t do it! No more military wedding cakes.
4. Weddings where one spouse-to-be works at a bank.
The Bible in Ezekiel makes it clear that charging interest on a loan is an abomination and that such a person should be put to death. If your customer works at a bank, they are an abomination to the Lord (for the Lord changes not) and you don’t want to endorse an abomination, do you? Refusing to endorse abomination is what this movement is about– so don’t forget those bankers!
3. Mixed faith weddings.
Remember folks, the Bible tells us we must not be “unequally yoked.” That means you need to find out the faith background of the couple you’re selling a cake to. If one is a Christian and one is not (or say, if one is a real Christian but the other is a fake Christian like an Episcopal), you need to boldly say “no cake for you!” — and should probably throw in a solid “repent ye!” as well.
2. Non-Christians.
The only thing worse than an unequally yoked couple is a couple where both of them are part of a false religion, or worse, atheism. Did you know that by selling a cake to a Hindu you’re actually endorsing the worship of Shiva and all the other Hindu gods? It’s true- you are. Same with selling a wedding cake to atheists- it’s basically as if you’re saying, “yeah, Richard Dawkins is right.” We need to be BOLD for the Lord, because if we sell cakes to atheists, Hindus, or God forbid, a Muslim, we are endorsing that entire belief system.
1. Weddings where the bride will wear an expensive wedding dress.
Finally, before you sell someone a cake, you need to look at the receipt for the wedding dress and make sure that it wasn’t expensive. Why? Well, Paul clearly states that women should not be adorning themselves with expensive apparel, and an expensive wedding dress would count. Just think about what you’re saying if you sell her a wedding cake: you’re saying that Jesus was a liar, because Jesus inspired Paul and Paul said that women shouldn’t have expensive clothes. You don’t want to call Jesus a liar do you? Far better it is to say, “no cake for you!”
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Here’s the question I have for these bakers: If you really and truly believe that selling a couple a wedding cake is an endorsement of their relationship or “lifestyle”, why is it you only single out LGBTQ couples?
If you applied that same logic to other moral arguments that can be made from the Bible, wouldn’t you have to refuse service to… just about everyone?
If you applied your professed ethic consistently, I would at least respect you for having a belief and standing by it. However, the fact that you’re only singling out LGBTQ couples tells me one thing: This isn’t a moral principle you truly believe– it’s just selective bigotry and discrimination wrapped in a Bible verse.
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But hey!
We get to choose what we take from the Bible!
... ... and then impose it on others...
That's what some theists tend to think. This is especially apparent when they try to legislate such beliefs into law.
Since it's unlikely any of the things mentioned in this article would be mentioned while buying a Wedding Cake they wouldn't violate the Bakers Religious beliefs since what he doesn't know can't make him feel as though he's violating his religious tenets.
It seems to me that anyone as militant about respecting God's strictures would necessarily inquire about the behavior of their customers.
It would be unacceptable to serve evil through ignorance, when a few questions would suffice to discover the evil.
One thing the article didn't mention was mixed-race weddings, something which bigoted baker Jack Phillips' Southern Baptist sect vehemently opposed until quite recently. In fact one of the main SCOTUS rulings about public accommodations law is about a Southern Baptist who made those sort of racist claims to justify a denial of service.
Good point.
I don't know if the Bible says anything on the subject. IIRC, the notion of race was yet to be invented.
But there's probably some rule against marrying Philistines or whatever. We can just ignore the words that are actually there, and put in whatever we want.. "Black", for example. Then we could say that the Bible forbids marrying Black people.
Yeah, that should work!
There is NO teaching in the Bible supporting racism. Those that engage in racism are rebelling against God
The largest evangelical sect was founded to support racism, white supremacy and black slavery. The SBC found lots of support in their bible-babble to justify their racism.
That wasn't what the ruling was about! It was all about the Colorado Civil Rights Division blatantly making the claim that religious objections were bigoted!
That had to be corrected or we would have had the hateful left condemning millions of people!
Ummm.... Vic? You should read the seed before Commenting.
The seed isn't about the SC decision. It's about the baker.
ah yes, religion - cafeteria style ! (seems to be the common practice with most religious folks)
I’m sure it wouldn’t be too difficult to find a way to justify discrimination against anything one finds “icky”, when using the most inconsistent and vaguely written set of ancient documents in human history as a basis.
There is nothing in the teachings of Jesus to support this supposed religious bigotry. The same people who like to cite Leviticus almost always ignore the other passages of that same chapter of the Bible. These bigots are blatant hypocrites. Their arguments are little different than what the Klan used to defend racism in the 1950s-60s.
One of Jesus's parables is about a (much despised by the Jews) Roman officer who came to Jesus begging Him to heal the Roman's slave. Jesus agrees to come at once, but the Roman tells Him that He need not come. Just wish the slave to be well, and he would be well. The point of the story is the Roman's faith and confidence in God.
Some of the adjectives used for the slave are sometimes used for a lover, so it is possible to read the story as "Jesus healed a Roman officers male lover". Or not, because those same adjectives may mean "young friend" or "assistant".
In any case... love between men was entirely acceptable in the Greek world, which was the context of the early church.
It seems obvious to me that later generations, down to our own, have "found" their own morals where they wanted to find them.
Gotta love the religion of cherry picking.
Add - refusing to sell to anyone who wears clothing of mixed fibers.
Leviticus 19:19
You are to keep My statutes. You shall not crossbreed two different kinds of livestock; you shall not sow your fields with two kinds of seed; and you shall not wear clothing made of two kinds of material.
Absolutely!
And since all artificial fibers are necessarily mixtures, I suppose they must be banished, too...
That explains all those school shootings. The comingling of fibers! I'm sure this guy would agree:
Pastor: To Stop Gun Violence, We Need to “Allow Teaching of Scripture” in School
You shall not marry someone with a different skin melanin content.
AND WILL THEY SERVE SHRIMP AT THE RECEPTION?
Shame!!!
When exactly will conservatives begin to picket Red Lobster and Joe's Crab Shack, if the teachings of Leviticus are so important to them?
Why does this passage from Leviticus seem to be kryptonite to those same conservatives?
Ummmm......
No. That's not one of the verses they have retained.
They only use certain verses, and Leviticus 19:33-34 very definitely is not among them.
Ah... clobbertexters...
They want to cherry pick, but I'm not going to let them.
Did you know that before the Internet, clobbertexters used huge glossary-indexes? Every word in the Bible was cross-referenced, so that the preacher could cite all the verses "about" whatever word they wished.
... and they never noticed how often the verses contradicted each other...
The Laws of Moses only apply to Jews who have no accepted Jesus as Messiah. Christians have nothin to do with that covenant with the Jews except that it pointed to the need for the Messiah
Christians are dead to the OT Law of Moses and alive to the New Covenant in Christ
Jesus said: “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. Luke 16:16
Romans 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Hebrews 8:7-13
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Galatians 3:19-25
“But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.”
Galatians 3:23-25
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Galatians 4:21-31
And importantly at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:22-29)
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law” —to whom we gave no suchcommandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and Fromm sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
Wrong. I have preached on the importance to care for the stranger for decades. We need to follow that principle as Christians independent of the requirements of our federal laws.
We have for many years taken food, water, and vitamins out to migrant farm workers. We have provided help with shelter and access to medical treatment. That is all independent of still supporting our laws. I have also taken in elderly illegals who needed medical treatment, got them that treatment
i will agree though that far too many Christians and churches do not live up to what Christ calls us to. I’m not very popular with many churches because of my criticisms of their failure to accurately teach the whole counsel of God
Bed time.
Locking for the night.
Good morning
Good morning Bob
Ummm...
Ten hours later, it's now evening.
So... Good evening!
Morning for me
9:30 PM here